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Wiggly Jiggly	Posted - 2007.06.06 04:46:00 - [271] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Maya Rkell Yes, just making a point... Interesting stuff, though. Does that mean if Serenity decided to publish the map book without permission, CCP couldn't stop it anyway? It means if he did, he would be in breach of CCPs EULA and subject to civil if not criminal sanctions.
Wiggly Jiggly	Posted - 2007.06.06 04:50:00 - [272] Edited by: Wiggly Jiggly on 06/06/2007 04:50:17 Originally by: Morela Personally, I'd actually pay for a leatherbound book of Eve history (good luck in Getting an accurate history).. Nothing wrong with someone creating something like this an charging a resonable fee for it.. If they put all the work into it, they deserve to be rewarded for said effort.. If people dont' want to buy it they won't. You have just spelled out your support of ISK resellers. Is this your own personal position or do you speak for BoB as a whole? ISK resellers put in the hard work, so they should be allowed to be compensated according to your statement right?
EFF ONEF1 Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.06 05:01:00 - [273] If it was presented nicely with nice big color pictures id prolly buy it. need something to read while taking a dump. ----------------------------------------------- I have been known to take shuttles to various parts of 0.0 Why? I find it relaxing listening to the soothing voice of my autopilot.
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.06 05:04:00 - [274] Originally by: Wiggly Jiggly Edited by: Wiggly Jiggly on 06/06/2007 04:50:17 Originally by: Morela Personally, I'd actually pay for a leatherbound book of Eve history (good luck in Getting an accurate history).. Nothing wrong with someone creating something like this an charging a resonable fee for it.. If they put all the work into it, they deserve to be rewarded for said effort.. If people dont' want to buy it they won't. You have just spelled out your support of ISK resellers. Is this your own personal position or do you speak for BoB as a whole? ISK resellers put in the hard work, so they should be allowed to be compensated according to your statement right? Give it up, you are getting farther and farther away from reality trying to prove your point. I'm not even going to try to explain how far off you are because if you can't see itthe cause is lost anyways <-----------> Factional Warfare: The LowSec wars which never happened.
Anehra X-Fire	Posted - 2007.06.06 05:14:00 - [275] I fail to see the problem. Noone force you to use this. These things are not necessary for the gameplay. So? Let them be greedy if you want and don't feed them (pay) unless you want to.
Wiggly Jiggly	Posted - 2007.06.06 05:18:00 - [276] Edited by: Wiggly Jiggly on 06/06/2007 05:19:09 Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby the cause is lost anyways Because you say so? Consensus rarely results in the correct course of action. Serenity book is the exact same thing as EvEMon. EvEMon takes in game information and presents it in a easy to understand simple fashion. Serenitys Map book takes in game information and presents it in a easy to understand and simple fashion. Both provide advantages to the EvE player for using withone difference. One is free, the other can only be obtain by payment. This disparity is WRONG. If there was a free version of this map book this disparity would be gone and the EULA would be respected. DON'T bother to mention the 'other' free map websites. They are just that... 'other' and not this book. Many claim that Serenity deserves to 'get paid' for his work. I disagree entirely because there is limited if any original input into his work. It is meaerly a collection of in game maps and icons for interesting point of reference. All of which are found in game and NOT his creation. Kudos for putting it all together in a spiral book Serenity... but I'd rather print off the regions I frequent myself. But you don't give us that choice. We have to PAY for the whole thing like it is some coffee table reading materiel. It gives an unfair advatage to those with the book, and CCP should NOT allow it to be sold. Period. Especially when every other third party developer that put together a tool did so without seeking a 'payday' at the expense of game balance.
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.06 05:33:00 - [277] They are not the same. Serenity's book in no way violates the EULA as since he is entering a contract with CCP he isn't bound by it. EvEMon isn't under contract and hence cannot charge for it without violating the EULA. There is no earth(Space)-shattering "advantage" buying this book would give you compared to using the freely available ones. Serenity is under no obligation to provide this book for free for any reason. This is a CCP-sanctioned business venture. It is no different than if CCP was doing it themselves and charging for it. You really need to give it up, the cause you are arguing is rather far removed from Law, the EULA, standard business practices and just about every other aspect that would govern something like this. I hope you aren't planning on going into Law or Business when you figure out what you are doing in life, you are off to a bad start <-----------> Factional Warfare: The LowSec wars which never happened.
Wiggly Jiggly	Posted - 2007.06.06 05:43:00 - [278] Edited by: Wiggly Jiggly on 06/06/2007 05:43:06 Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby There is no earth(Space)-shattering "advantage" buying this book would give you compared to using the freely available ones. So you agree on some level that there is some intrinsic value or advantage of this book by having it verus not having it. Might not be earth(Space)-shattering "advantage", but it is there. You have just made my point. It is irrelevent how much of a disparity is created, it is a disparity that can only be closed by US the players forking out cash to obtain the same resource materiel. In the past CCP have said to create such a situation was against their EULA. This time they are goign against 10 years of established precedence. I think this is a threat to the EvE community.
Erichk Knaar Caldari Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2007.06.06 05:51:00 - [279] Oh god, its back... Originally by: Wiggly Jiggly Edited by: Wiggly Jiggly on 06/06/2007 05:19:09 Because you say so? Consensus rarely results in the correct course of action. No, but its often the only way to get things done without genocide. Quote: Serenity book is the exact same thing as EvEMon. No, one is a GNU licensed software application under the implied license from the data base dumps. i.e. You may use our data but not sell this without asking. One is a graphically designed, book under a separate license, that we can only guess at because that is between CCP and Serenity. Quote: Both provide advantages to the EvE player for using withone difference. One is free, the other can only be obtain by payment. This disparity is WRONG. Get a better job then. Thats like saying you are offended that you neighbor could afford a pool but you can't. Quote: Kudos for putting it all together in a spiral book Serenity... but I'd rather print off the regions I frequent myself. But you don't give us that choice. We have to PAY for the whole thing like it is some coffee table reading materiel. I hate to break this to you, little alt, but that is exactly what it is, no matter what the marketing says. I'll buy it regardless. Quote: It gives an unfair advantage to those with the book, and CCP should NOT allow it to be sold. Period. You've claimed this and EULA breach ad nauseum in your drivel. Please provide examples.
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.06 06:01:00 - [280] Edited by: Anaalys Fluuterby on 06/06/2007 06:01:21 Originally by: Wiggly Jiggly So you agree on some level that there is some intrinsic value or advantage of this book by having it verus not having it. Might not be earth(Space)-shattering "advantage", but it is there. You have just made my point. What? Give me a break. There is no more "intristic value" than any other item that is available. This is more of value for a curiosity, not because it will have an in-game impact. Don't take me out of context to try to prove your delusions. Quote: It is irrelevent how much of a disparity is created, it is a disparity that can only be closed by US the players forking out cash to obtain the same resource materiel. There IS no disparity. None, zilch, nada. There is nothing of game value in this book that is not available for free elsewhere. Hence your entire presumption is wrong. Quote: In the past CCP have said to create such a situation was against their EULA. WRONG. The have said that to create such a situation WITHOUT PERMISSION was against their EULA. You are correct that the EULA does NOT give you the right to create something using their intellectual property. The secondary contract, WHICH IS WHAT SERENITY IS STRIVING FOR, gives that right. CCP has given those rights to many people/companies, including everyone that sells GTCs, the publishing company that makes their posters, the person taht created the original players' guide, White Wolf's development staff, etc. This does NOT violate their EULA in any way, nor does it create any dangerous precedent. Now if CCP ALSO told Ombrey to stop making and distributing his maps, you would have a point and I would be on your side. But they haven't, and they won't. It is GOOD for CCP's business to have freely available things for players, it is ALSO good for their business to have commercial items for EvE. Free things give the players what they need, commercial items give EvE an aire of legitimacy. Screaming that CCP is violating thier own EULA by entering a contract for their IP with someone else makes their player-base look like lunatics <-----------> Factional Warfare: The LowSec wars which never happened.
Adam Weishaupt Minmatar Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.06 06:04:00 - [281] Originally by: Wiggly Jiggly Edited by: Wiggly Jiggly on 05/06/2007 03:57:07 Originally by: Mysticaa Originally by: Wiggly Jiggly Serenity should be allowed to distribute this free to the community and we can print it ourselves. Pleanty of other people have produced loads of things open source and free. Their time was a gift to us all and having CCP allow Serenity to make money is a slap in their faces. There already is a free version available Ombey's 2d Maps How much longer do you think they are going to stay free once they see Serenity is getting paid for his? I am not concerned about Serenitys product so much as I am concerned about the state of future development of third party tools / services. Once one gets paid for their efforts... everyone derserves to get paid. Thats fair. But we the community loses if that happens. You are both making a groundless assumption and ignoring the particulars of the case. Firstly, you assume that eve-maps making a profit by selling a ring binder of glossy maps will set off a cascade of demands by the creators of third-party utilities to be paid for their efforts. This is unlikely, given the absolute slew of free utilities for other games such as WoW. None of them has experienced a widespread conversion to a pay model. Secondly, there already exists a free alternative (Ombey's maps), essentially an option to an option, and it's likely that even IF a bunch of pay-to-use utilities come out, other people will create free/*****ed versions. The idea that this will somehow limit player choice is silly. By charging a small amount, we could actually see greater choice in optional add-ons to games. Not like Xbox Live Marketplace, which is prone to profiteering on added content, but like choosing the options on a new car: Everything you NEED is already there, and you're not actually going to have that much better of a car if you add leather seats, a golden Porsche logo in the dash, etc, but if you REALLY want to...the choice is there. Having (or not having) these maps isn't going to be a gamebreaking difference, it's just handy and enjoyable. Furthermore, Serenity Steele is one of the few trusted names in the EvE universe, and for him to pull some sort of nickel and dime scam on selling a 2D map book is not even worth his effort. It does not fit his profile, and it does not make any economic sense. That he is discussing the project with CCP only shows that he is doing due diligence and making sure he doesn't step on any toes. If Serenity Steele's product is as good as advertised, it's probably worth throwing a few dollars at to cover the time, effort, materials, and shipping involved. This is no threat to the community. But it is awfully good publicity for him.
Dukayn	Posted - 2007.06.06 07:00:00 - [282] I wonder if jiggly boycotts the Prima guides too. They are no different, except they probably provide more helpful info than a map book.
Wiggly Jiggly	Posted - 2007.06.06 07:06:00 - [283] Originally by: Adam Weishaupt You are both making a groundless assumption and ignoring the particulars of the case. Firstly, you assume that eve-maps making a profit by selling a ring binder of glossy maps will set off a cascade of demands by the creators of third-party utilities to be paid for their efforts. This is unlikely, Unlikely. Well... is it worth the risk then for a map book? I say it is not. For 10 YEARS no individual has been allowed to benefit from CCP intelectual property. I do not think what Serenity is offering is worth spitting in the face of all the other developers who worked so hard for free for so long.
Wiggly Jiggly	Posted - 2007.06.06 07:08:00 - [284] Edited by: Wiggly Jiggly on 06/06/2007 07:09:56 Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby Edited by: Anaalys Fluuterby on 06/06/2007 06:01:21 Originally by: Wiggly Jiggly So you agree on some level that there is some intrinsic value or advantage of this book by having it verus not having it. Might not be earth(Space)-shattering "advantage", but it is there. You have just made my point. What? Give me a break. There is no more "intristic value" than any other item that is available. This is more of value for a curiosity, not because it will have an in-game impact. Don't take me out of context to try to prove your delusions. Then why isn't it being made available for all EvE players for free via an electonic download? Why is it pay for hard copy only? Those that want to buy it as a book will have their opportunity, while those that only wish to print certain sections will be able to do so for free. Why should Serenity get a free ride past the EULA while all other suppliers and developers are told they can not garner any recompense for their efforts.
Dukayn	Posted - 2007.06.06 07:24:00 - [285] Edited by: Dukayn on 06/06/2007 07:23:29 Originally by: Wiggly Jiggly For 10 YEARS no individual has been allowed to benefit from CCP intelectual property. http://www.amazon.ca/Eve-Online-Genesis-Official-Strategy/dp/0761542434
Zoi Opia Raw Edge	Posted - 2007.06.06 07:35:00 - [286] Originally by: Wiggly Jiggly Why should Serenity get a free ride past the EULA Please stop using the term EULA as it does not apply. Thank you.
Wiggly Jiggly	Posted - 2007.06.06 07:38:00 - [287] Originally by: Dukayn Edited by: Dukayn on 06/06/2007 07:23:29 Originally by: Wiggly Jiggly For 10 YEARS no individual has been allowed to benefit from CCP intelectual property. http://www.amazon.ca/Eve-Online-Genesis-Official-Strategy/dp/0761542434 Originally by: Wiggly Jiggly no individual
Wiggly Jiggly	Posted - 2007.06.06 07:41:00 - [288] Originally by: Zoi Opia Originally by: Wiggly Jiggly Why should Serenity get a free ride past the EULA Please stop using the term EULA as it does not apply. Thank you. It does apply untill there is a licencing agreement in place. Currently there is NO licencing agreement and I am suggesting there should NEVER be one for this project. Serenity is a player. Sernity agrees to the EULA EVERY time he logs in. He is looking to 'get around' the very rules that appply to us all. I do not feel this is fair for aformentioned reasons. Now please stop telling me to to stop quoting the EULA.
Stella Stardust	Posted - 2007.06.06 08:04:00 - [289] Originally by: Wiggly Jiggly Now please stop telling me to to stop quoting the EULA. This website right here contains all the mapinformation. To browse it and write down all the information about jumps between systems, how many asteroidbelts there are etc etc etc, you don't need to log into the game, or even log into this website. Or agree to any EULA. So stop quoting the EULA!!! And about no individual benefitting from the Prima guides - there are actual people writing those things, and getting paid for it, so this is no different.
Erichk Knaar Caldari Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2007.06.06 08:19:00 - [290] Originally by: Wiggly Jiggly It does apply untill there is a licencing agreement in place. Currently there is NO licencing agreement Proof or STFU...
Odinegras	Posted - 2007.06.06 08:21:00 - [291] Edited by: Odinegras on 06/06/2007 08:20:43 Wiggly your current argument holds no water, its like you saying i cant have my laptop running with ombeys map open on it as it gives me an out of game advantage over players. So should all players receive a free laptop because this is possible? Or maybe ombeys map and all other helpful out of game things should be banned as they give people like me with a second computer an out of game advantage.... Maybe everyone should have there IQ means tested before they load the game and have a different difficulty level so that everyone is on an equal playing feel, god forbid i have an out of game advantage because of my genius level IQ!!! But seriously Wiggly i see what your saying, you should really not be so paranoid. This guy isnt going to rip off his customer, scamming in real life is illegal. CCP arent going to change there policy with regard to not charging for new content. But CCP making money on Merchandising (which infact this book is probably more like, even tho this is somewhat like a stratergy guide) isnt a problem for me, let them fill there boots and make the money while they can as we all know that mmorpgs die a death one day and tbh oveur and the rest of them will deserve a good pention when that time comes :D
Spooky Woman	Posted - 2007.06.06 08:54:00 - [292] Originally by: Wiggly Jiggly For 10 YEARS no individual has been allowed to benefit from CCP intelectual property. I do not think what Serenity is offering is worth spitting in the face of all the other developers who worked so hard for free for so long. So... if Serenity started a company (Serenity Publishing?)... then you wouldn't have a problem with it?
Onnawa Minmatar Alcohol Fueled Brutality X-PACT	Posted - 2007.06.06 08:59:00 - [293] I'm curious Wiggly.....is this your thesis project for your Marxist course down at the Community College? You seem to spew alot of phrases that don't seem to be supported by your apparent intellectual level. And everyone here is still mission the point. THIS IS NOT A SERENITY STEELE PRODUCT! It is a product created and assembled by Serenity Steele and OPTIONED by CCP for publication by White Wolf Limited, who is, in essence, CCP. There was a merger, in case no one noticed. That doesn't make it a third-party product...it makes it a CCP product. The same will be true, (I'm sure) with the upcoming EVE Comics; White Wolf, and thus CCP, has their own printing arm (including comics...I own several of the Vampire: The Masquerade comics myself...and love them.) And, if the buzz is to be believed, somewhere in the bowels of CCP's cold and leaky Icelandic basement, there's a team at work on a new World of Darkness game. So your arguement is moot. As others have pointed out, CCP/WWL has a mission statement, and rule Number One of any mission statement is MAKE MONEY. CCP/WWL can do that with their intellectual property in any way they see fit....up to and including optioning a manual for publication created by someone from outside the company. Serenity isn't offering the maps free online for printing because CCP/WWL does not want him to. They see it as a capital investment, and shipping something for retail sale with your logo on it that can be obtained for free makes absolutely no business sense. For anyone still doubting, see the link to Serenity's thread a few pages back...it's where Wiggle-Jiggle first started trolling....3 posts after Serenity announced that Oveur had given consent and White Wolf had decided to publish it. So, please, quit trolling, and if it bothers you so badly, by all means...quit now before you see the game overrun by the Electronic Bourgeoisie you fear so much. _____________________________________ I'm not a Pirate. I just have anger management issues.......and kleptomania.
Vala Draaken Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.06.06 09:24:00 - [294] Originally by: Wiggly Jiggly Serenity book is the exact same thing as EvEMon. EvEMon takes in game information and presents it in a easy to understand simple fashion. Serenitys Map book takes in game information and presents it in a easy to understand and simple fashion. Both provide advantages to the EvE player for using with one difference. One is free, the other can only be obtain by payment. And exactly what advantages does EveMon give that are in anyway comparable to Serenity's book?
Wiggly Jiggly	Posted - 2007.06.06 09:26:00 - [295] Originally by: Spooky Woman Originally by: Wiggly Jiggly For 10 YEARS no individual has been allowed to benefit from CCP intelectual property. I do not think what Serenity is offering is worth spitting in the face of all the other developers who worked so hard for free for so long. So... if Serenity started a company (Serenity Publishing?)... then you wouldn't have a problem with it? Nope, not if it was provided free to the eve subcriber base. This trend sets a dangerous precedent. What's to stop CCP from saying... heck EvEMon is a pretty cool program. Lets write our own and change the servers so the existing EvEMon versions won't interface with out servers and sell our copies to the EvE community? Whats to stop somebody elese doingthe same thing? I could write up a slick business plan and CCP is guarenteed to make a bunch of money off of it. How would you all feel about that? You lose EvEmon and have to PAY for a equitable replacement and I get to buy a new car. Trust me, this is the next step once CCP start to capitalise on the secondary market. This is a dangerous precedent to set.
Wiggly Jiggly	Posted - 2007.06.06 09:29:00 - [296] Originally by: Vala Draaken Originally by: Wiggly Jiggly Serenity book is the exact same thing as EvEMon. EvEMon takes in game information and presents it in a easy to understand simple fashion. Serenitys Map book takes in game information and presents it in a easy to understand and simple fashion. Both provide advantages to the EvE player for using with one difference. One is free, the other can only be obtain by payment. And exactly what advantages does EveMon give that are in anyway comparable to Serenity's book? Advantages are advantages. They do not need to be comparable. Whatever made you think they needed to be?
Onnawa Minmatar Alcohol Fueled Brutality X-PACT	Posted - 2007.06.06 09:32:00 - [297] There is no "Secondary Market" you fool. There's only the Market. And CCP gets to dictate how it is managed and run. If you don't like it, term your chars. And if CCP nuked EveMon and wrote their own, I'd like it just fine. It's their choice, their product, and their servers. You're missing the fact that we don't have any power over it. The only powers we have as the consumer is to buy, or not. Pure, simple, period. _____________________________________ I'm not a Pirate. I just have anger management issues.......and kleptomania.
Estel Arador Minmatar AFK	Posted - 2007.06.06 09:35:00 - [298] Originally by: Wiggly Jiggly I could write up a slick business plan and CCP is guarenteed to make a bunch of money off of it. How would you all feel about that? You lose EvEmon and have to PAY for a equitable replacement and I get to buy a new car. Someone will provide something like it, for free. Your assumption that once one thing gets licensed, everything will get licensed is false. Examples of the strategy guide and EON have been given. Also if EveMon gets licensed, someone else will make something like it for free. I seriously doubt you can get a car from the sales (or Serenity Steele from the sales of the map books, for that matter). As for the maps, a free alternative already exists (Thanks Ombey). =AFK=
DeTox MinRohim Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.06.06 10:19:00 - [299] Whatever you say about the EULA, you're still using it upside down. 1 - The EULA won't apply since Serenity will have a separate deal, the EULA will not interfere. Also, the EULA bounding the player doesn't make him a prisoner of it without any possibility to have another deal on the side for a project that CCP is giving the OK. It is still CCP's product and they do whatever they want with it. 2 - Evemon can't be changed of license. Get over it. It's GPL and even if the Evemon guys decide that you must pay to get/use it, all code from the past versions were free to get (and you'll get the code also if you pay for the latest version since it would still be GPL). If you didn't get the code before, I suggest you get it now... Before the apocalypse you are predicting happens. 3 - Evemon team, Rigor, Eve-dev team, Ombey's, etc., etc., etc., chose to create something and they made it available for free. It's a choice. If they didn't want it to be free, they would have gone through the same process to ask CCP about a possible remuneration. That's the part where they wouldn't have had the choice. Maybe CCP would have said yes... maybe not. They chose to create what they are offering today. Nobody forced them to. Originally by: "Wiggly Jiggly" It is NOT the product, or individual that is in question. It is the endorsement of CCP to allow an individual to get paid for use of their intelectual property to the detrement of the greater community. Do you WANT third party products to be 'pay for use'? Do you want there to be two types of players in EvE? Those that can afford all the optional extra and those that can not? Now there seems to be your biggest problem. Maybe you are a GPL freak with the misconception that because it's GPL, it must be free of charge (even though GPL is not the subject), or you are poor or without a credit card and you want the book for free or you are bitter that a player might have a bitsy of money out of his work. In any case, in more than 11 pages, you still did not give a single valid advantage or valid argument how it would hurt the community. Numerous games or projects created a niche for other people to live on their creations that were related to the said project. Some are very strong and created vast market and job pool. My Eve subscription is almost entirely paid by this kind of work as I'm co-dev of a content management system that is GPL and I design stuff that I sell and I'm charging for services related to that. What I do and the way I do it is covered by the terms of the GNU/GPL license the CMS is based on and there is nothing you can do about it. Originally by: "Wiggly Jiggly" If your answer is yes, then you also should support ISK for cash, macro mining and leveling services because it's the exact same arguement. Saying "yes" doesn't mean at all that the examples you give are valid. It's to CCP to chose if a method of gaining an advantage is valid. And since you have no definite argument for Serenity's book in terms of advantage anyway, this point is moot... Oh yea sorry, someone said it would help him to mine. Originally by: "Wiggly Jiggly" CCP originally didn't want ANY third party products to capitalise on their intelectual property finacially. I see no reason to change this. Fortunatly for CCP AND for the community, it's not your choice that counts. ------ This sig space is Read-only ! omgalink
Spooky Woman	Posted - 2007.06.06 10:25:00 - [300] Originally by: Wiggly Jiggly Originally by: Spooky Woman Originally by: Wiggly Jiggly For 10 YEARS no individual has been allowed to benefit from CCP intelectual property. I do not think what Serenity is offering is worth spitting in the face of all the other developers who worked so hard for free for so long. So... if Serenity started a company (Serenity Publishing?)... then you wouldn't have a problem with it? Nope, not if it was provided free to the eve subcriber base. This trend sets a dangerous precedent. What's to stop CCP from saying... heck EvEMon is a pretty cool program. Lets write our own and change the servers so the existing EvEMon versions won't interface with out servers and sell our copies to the EvE community? Whats to stop somebody elese doingthe same thing? I could write up a slick business plan and CCP is guarenteed to make a bunch of money off of it. How would you all feel about that? You lose EvEmon and have to PAY for a equitable replacement and I get to buy a new car. Trust me, this is the next step once CCP start to capitalise on the secondary market. This is a dangerous precedent to set. Bare with me, I'm just trying to understand what you're saying... 1) So you think that all third-party guide books etc. should be freely available to the public, e.g. like this book: EVE Guide Book. 2) About CCP killing of EveMon. Whether we like it or not, isn't it CCP's right to do so? I mean, they do own the rights to EVE, right? 3) So basically you're afraid that CCP is going to take advantage of their game being popular to make more money? So the problem isn't really Serenity, but CCP?

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