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Adarx The Third Ace Aces Wild. 0	Posted - 2012.01.02 23:37:00 - [1] - Quote I was thinking about this last night, and I feel like it is a very very good idea for CCP to consider. I feel like it could be very profitable to have to so players could pay plex and/or real life money in order to get X number of unallocated skill points. The average number I found on the Character Bazaar was around the ratio of 300 isk per 1 skill point so like a 10mill sp character was around 3billion isk, obviously it depends on where the characters skill points were placed, but this is what I decided to be a safe average. I was figuring around 4PLEX for 1mill SP that CCP could charge. This system could be like how they have the capabilities to give PLEX for AUR in the game. This would also directly increase PLEX sales and allow people to become somewhat more efficient for a price. If anyone thinks this is a good idea, please post a comment, if you don't agree with this idea, PLEASE give feedback on how it could be better/improved. Thank you very much for looking at my post, ~Adarx
Hannott Thanos Notorious Legion 2	Posted - 2012.01.02 23:47:00 - [2] - Quote I support this. Then we can kill noobs that fly failfit capitals solo
Mars Theran EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance 21	Posted - 2012.01.02 23:59:00 - [3] - Quote This ideas been brought up before, and falls into the category of MT for an in-game benefit. Widely unsupported as you might imagine, if you've read many threads here at all.
Epofhis StarFckers Inc. The Jagged Alliance 14	Posted - 2012.01.03 00:06:00 - [4] - Quote What? No. Earn it the hard way like everyone else. -1. Not supported. Before posting in Features and Ideas, please remember that Eve is in no way obligated to change based on your stupidity, ineptitude, or well honed sense of personal butthurt.
tankus2 Endless Destruction Imperial Ascension 22	Posted - 2012.01.03 01:51:00 - [5] - Quote so 250k sp (the amount needed to get most x1 skills to 5) is a single plex? even if it was much, much more it should not be the case. Buying your way to the awesome tier is not the answer. Maybe an accelerated in-game minigame-of-sorts that tests a person in the area they are trying to improve, maybe. but outright buying sp? sorry, no. Where the science gets done
SandKid Gateway Mining Division 66	Posted - 2012.01.03 02:07:00 - [6] - Quote tankus2 wrote: so 250k sp (the amount needed to get most x1 skills to 5) is a single plex? even if it was much, much more it should not be the case. Buying your way to the awesome tier is not the answer. Maybe an accelerated in-game minigame-of-sorts that tests a person in the area they are trying to improve, maybe. but outright buying sp? sorry, no. Not even a mini-game. New Eden is built upon the sp system and it should not, in any way, be changed to where sp can be purchased. Anything tied PLEX enables real money to influence the game. I personally don't like PLEX as it is because somone with lots of money could 'zerg' an enemy with unlimited best-fitted ships by buying plex, selling it, then using the isk to get his awesome fleet. However - you still have to be able to use said awesomeness, and the likelihood of this happening is low. Moreover, skill points do not equal skill. I might have near-perfect gunnery, but I still got tore up by a 3-month old character (maybe an alt, maybe not). The day EVE Online isn't skill based is the day I'll quit - you shouldn't be able to buy your way with real money into anything. That applies both in New Eden and life. Earn your way, or you don't deserve it. New Eden at least equates earning with stealing - pirates do, after all, 'earn' their living.
Droxlyn TOHA Heavy Industries TOHA Conglomerate 35	Posted - 2012.01.03 02:09:00 - [7] - Quote PLEX, currently does buy you skill points. 30 days of skill time, 1 second at a time. I'd say, let a PLEX turn into 15 days worth of unallocated Skill Points for a 20, 20, 20, 20, 19 character (average min). Basically, you could buy "lost" time at twice the price.
Endeavour Starfleet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 512	Posted - 2012.01.03 02:11:00 - [8] - Quote Lets make this very clear. Other than paying for transfers and game time ANYTHING that affects actually play in EVE revolving around PLEX is absolutely no. And it would crash the character market. Those take serious time and funds to make right. That is why they cost so much.
Grey Azorria Federation Industries 9	Posted - 2012.01.03 02:46:00 - [9] - Quote So basically EvE would become pay-to-win... ...no thanks
Goose99 Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 613	Posted - 2012.01.03 03:43:00 - [10] - Quote Grey Azorria wrote: So basically EvE would become pay-to-win... ...no thanks Buying character is already pay to win.
Asuka Solo Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises 1026	Posted - 2012.01.03 03:56:00 - [11] - Quote No. I had to play years to get the SP I have today. You people can too.
Simi Kusoni HelloKittyFanclub 23	Posted - 2012.01.03 04:53:00 - [12] - Quote Don't they already have this? Its called the character bazaar.
Taint A Pack Of Wolfes 26	Posted - 2012.01.03 13:42:00 - [13] - Quote Just no
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4264	Posted - 2012.01.03 13:59:00 - [14] - Quote Goose99 wrote: Grey Azorria wrote: So basically EvE would become pay-to-win... ...no thanks Buying character is already pay to win. Buying a character isn't nearly the same thing, though. So no. Horrid idea. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
TheBlueMonkey Natural Progression 5	Posted - 2012.01.03 14:13:00 - [15] - Quote Hell no
Nestara Aldent EVE University Ivy League 21	Posted - 2012.01.03 18:02:00 - [16] - Quote Goose99 wrote: Grey Azorria wrote: So basically EvE would become pay-to-win... ...no thanks Buying character is already pay to win. Actually he's right. You want 100M SP char, just run anoms/incursions or buy it with PLEX.
Feligast GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 911	Posted - 2012.01.03 20:21:00 - [17] - Quote No buying skill points, ever, for any reason.
Nestara Aldent EVE University Ivy League 21	Posted - 2012.01.03 20:49:00 - [18] - Quote Feligast wrote: No buying skill points, ever, for any reason. Then character sale must be forbidden, immediately!
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors 291	Posted - 2012.01.03 20:57:00 - [19] - Quote Not then. Not now. Not ever. NO. "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Velicitia Open Designs 427	Posted - 2012.01.03 21:03:00 - [20] - Quote Nestara Aldent wrote: Feligast wrote: No buying skill points, ever, for any reason. Then character sale must be forbidden, immediately! Character sale is OK, because people put time into that toon. PLEX for SP is not, because there's no time involved.
Joe Risalo State War Academy Caldari State 182	Posted - 2012.01.03 21:07:00 - [21] - Quote Nestara Aldent wrote: Goose99 wrote: Grey Azorria wrote: So basically EvE would become pay-to-win... ...no thanks Buying character is already pay to win. Actually he's right. You want 100M SP char, just run anoms/incursions or buy it with PLEX. The fact that you aren't considering when you make this statement is that the 100sp character used to belong to someone else. Meaning SOMEONE put the time in to get that character trained up to that amount of SP. Is it a bit unfair that some people can afford these characters and other can't? Sure, but at least someone had to put time in on that character to get it there. While they may be able to purchase these characters, it relies on someone having taken the time to establish those characters. If their aren't any well established characters, then there's nothing to buy. So while the player now using that character didn't have to put in the time on it, someone else did. So those who can afford them are at the will of those who produce them. If you're allowed to simply buy out right SP, what's to stop some wealthy kid from spending all his dad's money on a character with maxed out skills???? I have no problem allowing people with the money to buy a pre-trained character that someone else put time into, but i'm not willing to let some wealthy prick have a maxed out character with a lack of any knowledge of Eve.
Tidurious The Dirty Rejects Scelus Sceleris. 24	Posted - 2012.01.04 07:34:00 - [22] - Quote Velicitia wrote: Nestara Aldent wrote: Feligast wrote: No buying skill points, ever, for any reason. Then character sale must be forbidden, immediately! Character sale is OK, because people put time into that toon. PLEX for SP is not, because there's no time involved. Actually, character sale is bullshit. There is no reason for it, and it should never have started. Character sale is EXACTLY pay-to-win, and wrecks the game. Back to OPs post: You are obviously incapable of using the search function of the forum. This has been suggested MANY times; always the answer is a resounding no. So just let it be.
el alasar The Scope Gallente Federation 135	Posted - 2012.01.04 08:59:00 - [23] - Quote Tippia wrote: Goose99 wrote: Buying character is already pay to win. Buying a character isn't nearly the same thing, though. So no. Horrid idea. i do see some differences like a bought character having a history, skills being somewhat public, skills not being 100% to your liking - but how is buying a char NOT pay to win? please enlighten me. check the moderated 10000 papercuts evelopedia page! http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Little_things_and_ideas_-_low_hanging_fruit_-_10000_papercuts comment, bump(!) and like what you like
Joe Risalo State War Academy Caldari State 182	Posted - 2012.01.04 10:26:00 - [24] - Quote el alasar wrote: Tippia wrote: Goose99 wrote: Buying character is already pay to win. Buying a character isn't nearly the same thing, though. So no. Horrid idea. i do see some differences like a bought character having a history, skills being somewhat public, skills not being 100% to your liking - but how is buying a char NOT pay to win? please enlighten me. Because that character has had someone behind it to put in all that SP. In some cases it's YEARS of constant upkeep in order to keep it training. If a player buys a character, it's not paying to win because that character will be no better than any other character in the game. Now, if you allowed someone to straight up buy SP, they would be able to surpass any SP quantities of any player in game and the SP would be unbacked by years of training. So instead of a player buying a 2 year old character with decent SP in the skills you would like,but still being at the will of the player who created the character, so you may have tons of SP you will feel might be waisted into something like Gallente ships and turrets when you want Caldari and missiles. A player would instead be able to out SP any player that has been in this game constantly training since day one. They could simply spend all their daddy's money to max their character out in SP, then buy a ton of plexes to sell in order to purchase all the books in game. being able to buy a character is NOT play to win because I don't care who was behind the training of the character, as long as their was someone there. It's not different than if you had a really good buddy who just got tired of the whole thing and gave you his 100mil character. Not to mention, pay to win would have to assume that the player is paying REAL money in order to out perform YOU. Paying real money is still illegal, and being able to out perform another player is mostly based on the pilot and only based on that SP to a certain point. I've seen very low sp characters will all t1 fits woop the crap out of characters that had over 100mil and and fully faction fitted.
Del Jouhannen Delphinian Enterprises 1	Posted - 2012.01.05 17:04:00 - [25] - Quote There's the argument FOR this that what about new(er) players that want to play catch-up in order to compete with those that happened to find out about EVE years ago? It's probably a turn-off for many new subscribers that they will always be lagging behind those that just happened to get on the game before they did. To level the playing field, it would be nice to allow people to pay for skills - up to a certain SP point value (10mil?), distributed where you wanted. For those elitists that whine and say it's not fair, I was on EVE for years.. blah blah. Well, good for you but you would likely have jumped at the chance when you started out!
Velicitia Open Designs 433	Posted - 2012.01.05 17:35:00 - [26] - Quote Del Jouhannen wrote: There's the argument FOR this that what about new(er) players that want to play catch-up in order to compete with those that happened to find out about EVE years ago? It's probably a turn-off for many new subscribers that they will always be lagging behind those that just happened to get on the game before they did. To level the playing field, it would be nice to allow people to pay for skills - up to a certain SP point value (10mil?), distributed where you wanted. For those elitists that whine and say it's not fair, I was on EVE for years.. blah blah. Well, good for you but you would likely have jumped at the chance when you started out! they can catch up. It just takes a few months. This isn't WOW where you can grind to L80 in a month and then be at the "endgame" with everyone else getting your sparkleponies. Yes, you're all right in saying that a 2011 toon won't have the same breadth of skills that I do and can never effectively "catch up" in total SP... but in any one area (say flying rifters), only so much SP can be put toward it. Within 2 months or so, a newbie can effectively have all L4 skills for that Rifter, putting them 15-20% behind me (assuming I'm L5 across the board ... which I'm not).
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4279	Posted - 2012.01.05 17:51:00 - [27] - Quote Del Jouhannen wrote: There's the argument FOR this that what about new(er) players that want to play catch-up in order to compete with those that happened to find out about EVE years ago? Welcome to Malcanis' law: any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. What you're describing is a situation where new players will not be able to catch up in order to compete because they will lack the funds (and the interest and time investment) to do so, whereas older players will pour all their ISK into PLEX in order to buy even more SP. Right now, the EVE skill system is fashioned in such a way that GÇ£catching upGÇ¥ is not an applicable concept. With this kind of suggestion, it suddenly becomes a reality and then immediately excludes new players from ever doing it. New players will not always GÇ£lag behindGÇ£ the older ones because the skill system doesn't allow that to happen (wellGÇª not for very long at least). It's just a misunderstanding that many new players have because they believe EVE SP works just like [generic-pointless-class/level-based-MMORPG] XP. To level the playing field, all you have to do is keep training. Trying to alter the system will without exception only ever favour older players. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 1671	Posted - 2012.01.05 17:59:00 - [28] - Quote Tidurious wrote: Velicitia wrote: Nestara Aldent wrote: Feligast wrote: No buying skill points, ever, for any reason. Then character sale must be forbidden, immediately! Character sale is OK, because people put time into that toon. PLEX for SP is not, because there's no time involved. Actually, character sale is bullshit. There is no reason for it, and it should never have started. Character sale is EXACTLY pay-to-win, and wrecks the game. Back to OPs post: You are obviously incapable of using the search function of the forum. This has been suggested MANY times; always the answer is a resounding no. So just let it be. Like the PLEX it was conceived as a solution to counter account selling. You can ban the practice all you want, but it will still happen and CCP is the one who has to sort out the mess. By creating a legit way to transfer characters, CCP earns more money, reduces the harm and aggrevation of the players and consequently the work CCP has to do to clean things up. It only has upsides for CCP and players aren't protestin over it, since the trade always existed and every SP those characters have was trained legitimely by someone. It doesn't break anything, since the same rules apply to the bought character. Basicly one veteran character has a new player controlling it, which doesn't disrupt the game in any way, since nothing new has happened or game mechanics been altered. Nobody would even know the difference, if they didn't tell us that a transfer had taken place. So there are good reasons for having the system, there is no damage done to the game and the trading would be going on even if CCP had never made it legit. Yes RL money bought you an advantage and you don't have to like it, but it's a practical approach to the problem of account selling and makes the most out of a bad and doesn't create more problems than already existed before the solution.
Del Jouhannen Delphinian Enterprises 1	Posted - 2012.01.05 18:00:00 - [29] - Quote Tippia wrote: What you're describing is a situation where new players will not be able to catch up in order to compete because they will lack the funds (and the interest and time investment) to do so, whereas older players will pour all their ISK into PLEX in order to buy even more SP. No, I specifically said that it should only allow buying skill points up to a certain point value. That way the 'olds' can still have their multi million skill point advantage but new players can get a fast-track to being able to even compete.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4279	Posted - 2012.01.05 18:08:00 - [30] - Quote Del Jouhannen wrote: No, I specifically said that it should only allow buying skill points up to a certain point value. That way the 'olds' can still have their multi million skill point advantage but new players can get a fast-track to being able to even compete. GÇªand they can do that already. Yes, I overlooked your limit, but then you still don't solve anything. That point value will simply be the new default starting point and the same complaint will remain. All that does is create a mechanic that people will whinge about having extended for higher and higher numbers because they still don't understand that it isn't needed to begin with. Again, the EVE skill system already solves this problem. GÇ£Catching upGÇ¥ isn't an applicable concept because it happens automatically due to how skill levels work. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.

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