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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.06 03:23:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Narciss Sevar
O-SYN are just another bob pet now,
I think the term is "fangirl" or "groupie", but if Molle asks, I'll put on the leash and kittie ears...
Now that's in the open, I'll refrain from embarrassing myself anymore and just watch the discussion, for now. Dear Yuki and Kyoko have voiced my opinion.
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Jonny Damordred
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.06.06 03:40:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
the over all goal of the conflict was to counter Star Fraction's goal. since all the amarr groups(CVA, VV, AM and PIE) are still around and indeed strong enough to succeed at taking Ushra'Khan's last outpost proves beyond any doubt that SF failed to make any impact at all.
Strange, none of the above has anything to do with CAIN's stated goals in their original declaration of hostilities.
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
takes a set of brass ones to go up against a titan and some motherships, unlike a certain other alliance that has abandoned lawless space for the easier fighting on smaller empire based groups...
Bandwagoning is not brave, Mr. Bliss.
Bandwagoning agains an entity that you state "has abandoned lawless space for the easier fighting on smaller empire based groups" and still getting beaten like dogs is just pathetic.
Oh, and by the way: CYI, KD, and the Amarrian bloc all were larger than the Fraction at the start of those wars. So please unplug your datapad.
As to the original topic: Rock on O-SYN!
Love and Ganking,
Jonny D.
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Korthan
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.06 04:05:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Korthan on 06/06/2007 04:04:14
Right I understand the arguements between SF, PIE, UK, etc etc etc. HOWEVER! This discussion is not about those topics so please bear with us and stick to what is being talked about.
Now to my opinion on the matter. Ishukone and therefore Innovaatio, who has been or will be bought out, have wheapt what they've sown.
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Lucian Alucard
Caldari
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.06.06 04:50:00 -
[34]
Eh The Watch have been little more then cannon fodder for decades,no surprise that things turned out like that.
I say good job to O-SYN ,maybe now "The Watch" will take its security percautions a bit more seriously.
P.S. I ask you this who are the greater fools those kill or those who got killed?
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.06.06 09:34:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 06/06/2007 09:36:29
Originally by: Van Cleef
You can make all the cute quotes you want, however, PIE still exist, they still move around the throne worlds at their own will and they also were part of an invasion that saw the terrorist Unity station fall.
Claim what you want SF, but do it in your own thread.
Your pilot Aria Jenneth first brought up our name in this thread. If you are going speak of us then you are going to trigger the intervention of our pilots this is a fact of life. If you wish to discuss matters without the context of previous CAIN failures against the Star Fraction you are going to have to learn the discipline of leaving our name out of your endless nationalist ranting.
CAIN have a woeful history of utterly embarrassing defeat against the Star Fraction. It would be best for whatever traces of your collective ego yet survive if you pretended we didn't exist and henceforth forbid your little pet Aria Jenneth from raising our name again.
Star Fraction is recruiting
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Davlos
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.06 11:33:00 -
[36]
I don't think Jenneth was ever flying under CAIN's banner. Perhaps you were referring to your previously nicknamed "Red Baron" Ayari, Constantine? Trying to prod a response out of Jenneth like that isn't very nice.
Irregardless, the attempts by various entities in this topic to focus attention on themselves by means of propaganda, name dropping and bandwagoning about our allegiances aren't appreciated, whatsoever. Please focus on the topic at hand.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.06 14:35:00 -
[37]
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Following the news, Ishukone's stock prices fell by 13%
At the end of the day, this is all that matters to me. I can sit here in my luxury suite, enjoying the novel experience of vacationing on a planet, and sip my umbrella drink with satisfaction.
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Khavi Vetali
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.06.06 15:00:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Khavi Vetali on 06/06/2007 15:10:34
Edited by: Khavi Vetali for grammar.
While I'm keen to observe anything that is to the detriment of a nationalist organization, there is something else that stole my attention in the referenced news feed.
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The Navy has declined to press charges on O-SYN. Admiral Tovaan stated: "Chasing after a capsuleer corp is a misallocation of Navy resources during these troubled times." "Even if we did bring charges against them, it isn't likely they will appear for their trial dates. Or let themselves get carried off once they were found guilty. The real criminals here are NOH and Haanti Vaastun, not their pawns," added the Admiral.
It may be my interpretation, but I read here that capsuleer corporations are essentially considered above the law of the empires by elements representing those empires. This can be taken as an isolated statement, specific to only this incident and the Caldari State, but it is very telling to have a Navy Admiral openly stating that it is a waste of resources to attempt to bring capsuleers to task for their actions.
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Tyger! Tyger! burning bright; In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye; Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
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Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.06.06 15:10:00 -
[39]
Operation Cascade Fire and Star Fraction have nothing to do with the actions of Omerta Syndicate in this case, and frankly, as the Chief of Diplomatic Staff, I am extremely disappointed to see Reserve pilots discussing operational details of that matter here. Our reasons for intervening in that matter have already been well-stated and accusations that we are "Amarr lapdogs" have been clearly refuted -- if the Star Fraction, Veto, and other anarchist and pirate groups wish to continue to think that, they do so at their own peril. There is no point in continuing that nonsensical argument here.
In this case, it is disappointing to see Omerta allowing themselves to be used as pawns by a criminally irresponsible corporate executive -- one who has not only violated the law by contracting a violent attack on a rival corporation without CONCORD and CEP sanction, and did so (at least, if we can believe the NOH Board of Directors) on his own in an attempt to boost his own status. While the reasons for Omerta's grudge against Ishukone are well-known (and merits of which can be argued elsewhere), in this case I think they have let themselves be blinded to the cnsequences of their actions in the long run. While claims of "trillions" in damages seem admittedly exaggerated, it seems clear that the loss to the State here is substantial -- tens, perhaps hundreds of billions at the least. Furthermore, the loss of such a valuable military technology erodes the technological edge that our less populous nation depends on to keep its people safe.
I would hope that Omerta would cooperate with the Tribunal and Navy's investigations in this matter, but unfortunately I cannot hold out much hope -- I remain open to the possibility of being pleasantly surprised, however. I would ask them to at least think of what is best for the State and their people, if they have any loyalty to them at all anymore, and in the future consider the impact of their actions in matters of this nature.
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CAIN Chief of Diplomatic Staff
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
A Better Future
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Posted - 2007.06.06 15:25:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Nomakai Delateriel on 06/06/2007 15:28:54
Originally by: Khavi Vetali
It may be my interpretation, but I read here that capsuleer corporations can essentially be considered above the law of the empires. This can be taken as an isolated statement, specific to only this incident and the Caldari State, but it is very telling to have a Navy Admiral openly stating that it is a waste of resources to attempt to bring capsuleers to task for their actions.
Since O-Syn were hardly "unwitting pawns", given their anti-Ishukone stance, I think the Caldari Navy is either secretly sanctioning this or they're too afraid of CONCORD to take it up with them, or they have a bargain with O-syn themselves. Actions such as these should have the corresponding impact on security status.
As for the sanctioning conspiracy. Zero off-site research data back up is just foolish. My theory would be that certain insider forces within Ishukone staged this in an effort to not only buy Ishukone stocks below what they're worth (my guess is that other Ishukone labs will have "amazing breakthroughs" which will push the stocks back up again, making billions of ISK for those insiders) but also funneling off Ishukone funds for black projects, out of the shareholders sight.
And for turning an eye on this the Navy gets its cut in resources and technology.
Not one of theories (fear of CONCORD or secret deals with Ishukone or deals with O-Syn) speak well for the Caldari Navy.
If anything the O-Syn should be made into an example. Actions against the Caldari state should not just be brushed away, even if there is little chance of bringing the perpetrators to justice.
Even if pod-pilots are hard to pursue there are multiple low-effort responses.
Lowered security status and a freeze out from Caldari corperate dealings are just two of those.
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Maze La'Zie
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.06.06 16:23:00 -
[41]
In this tangle of accusations, tangents and personal feuds I suppose I can thank O-SYN for at least trying to justify this travesty.
I stick to my point though. This was bad for the State.
Other corporations would have staged a buyout, used espionage, detroyed the ships but saved the technology. Your admitted intent to damage Ishukone blinded you to the consequences of your actions.
You raise the point of the weakness of the defences. The Watch must learn its lesson. However, within State borders such an installation should have been safe from attack, protected by unwritten agreements between the megacorporations, the fragile peace with the Gallente, the Navy, and even CONCORD.
Can you imagine the revenue that would have been generated from a station-size cloaking device?
I do not believe the conspiracies that say Ishukone was to blame for this. The blame lies squarely with the rogue NOH operative and the vengeful capsuleers whose lack of judgement left that station in ruins.
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.06 16:54:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Maze La'Zie
I do not believe the conspiracies that say Ishukone was to blame for this.
What goes around, comes around.
Enjoy the feeling O-SYN. Revenge is sweet.
Enough said.
>>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
A Better Future
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Posted - 2007.06.06 17:46:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Verone
What goes around, comes around.
Enjoy the feeling O-SYN. Revenge is sweet.
Until it comes around again.
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Irias Salo
Caldari
The Star Wolves
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Posted - 2007.06.06 18:17:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Khavi Vetali
It may be my interpretation, but I read here that capsuleer corporations are essentially considered above the law of the empires. This can be taken as an isolated statement, specific to only this incident and the Caldari State, but it is very telling to have a Navy Admiral openly stating that it is a waste of resources to attempt to bring capsuleers to task for their actions.
No one is above the law, both capsuleer corporations and capsuleers have been placed under arrest and given a trial before.
Originally by: Ginger.
There is no roleplay, there is only EVE
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Constantinee
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.06 18:19:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
Originally by: Verone
What goes around, comes around.
Enjoy the feeling O-SYN. Revenge is sweet.
Until it comes around again.
you speak as though it will come around on us. Ishukone has not yet to launch any type of offensive on us in a long time. Their pilots quotes which can be found in some of our own bios now state that they were and will remain scared of our swift yet violet and highly destructive tactics. Ishukone engage us..? no they barley left any resistance. I think it will be a while before ishukone decides to take any type of political or military action against the omerta. for now we can all join mrs. Akahoshi on her planet and sip drinks.
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Ituralde
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.06.06 19:02:00 -
[46]
A shame they didn't take down the Wyvern, too.
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Khavi Vetali
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.06.06 19:17:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Irias Salo
Originally by: Khavi Vetali
It may be my interpretation, but I read here that capsuleer corporations are essentially considered above the law of the empires. This can be taken as an isolated statement, specific to only this incident and the Caldari State, but it is very telling to have a Navy Admiral openly stating that it is a waste of resources to attempt to bring capsuleers to task for their actions.
No one is above the law, both capsuleer corporations and capsuleers have been placed under arrest and given a trial before.
Out of curiousity, can you provide references to such occurrences? I can see where it would be plausible if said corporation or pilot resided in empire owned space, but in nullsec where the empires have little to no influence or power? I can't see the empires projecting that sort of power without serious repercussions.
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Tyger! Tyger! burning bright; In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye; Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
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Irias Salo
Caldari
The Star Wolves
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Posted - 2007.06.06 19:27:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Khavi Vetali
Originally by: Irias Salo
Originally by: Khavi Vetali
It may be my interpretation, but I read here that capsuleer corporations are essentially considered above the law of the empires. This can be taken as an isolated statement, specific to only this incident and the Caldari State, but it is very telling to have a Navy Admiral openly stating that it is a waste of resources to attempt to bring capsuleers to task for their actions.
No one is above the law, both capsuleer corporations and capsuleers have been placed under arrest and given a trial before.
Out of curiousity, can you provide references to such occurrences? I can see where it would be plausible if said corporation or pilot resided in empire owned space, but in nullsec where the empires have little to no influence or power? I can't see the empires projecting that sort of power without serious repercussions.
The only known copy of this particular case. Granted it was a lone capsuleer in empire space, but an example none the less that capsuleers are not above the law.
Originally by: Ginger.
There is no roleplay, there is only EVE
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Khavi Vetali
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.06.06 19:50:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Khavi Vetali on 06/06/2007 19:50:18
Originally by: Irias Salo
The only known copy of this particular case. Granted it was a lone capsuleer in empire space, but an example none the less that capsuleers are not above the law.
Thank you, this shows is that a capsuleer can be charged and sentenced for crimes committed, but barring voluntary cooperation, is it actually possible for the empires to carry out said sentencing? That I am not so sure.
It seems that without that cooperationùand the self-perception of having committed a crimeùthey would have been hard pressed to levy their brand of justice on you outside of State controlled space. Then again, if you are outside their borders, and therefore their jurisdiction, it can be argued that you are no longer their concern, and are irrelevent. Besides standings, what consequences could they have rendered on you for ignoring the judgement?
::Also, an apology for any perceived derailment of the original topic.
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Tyger! Tyger! burning bright; In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye; Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
A Better Future
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Posted - 2007.06.06 21:11:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Constantinee
you speak as though it will come around on us. Ishukone has not yet to launch any type of offensive on us in a long time. Their pilots quotes which can be found in some of our own bios now state that they were and will remain scared of our swift yet violet and highly destructive tactics. Ishukone engage us..? no they barley left any resistance. I think it will be a while before ishukone decides to take any type of political or military action against the omerta. for now we can all join mrs. Akahoshi on her planet and sip drinks.
I was speaking generally. Revenge generally is sweet until it comes back to you one more time.
First time it's either just business or entirely accidental.
With revenge it becomes personal.
The revenge for the revenge is usually the start of a Vendetta and will only end with the death of not just the driving forces of the conflict but their relatives as well.
So not very sweet at all.
If Ishukone is just lying down and taking it (either because they're too afraid to strike back or because it's a case of a proverbial fly vs Mastodon), good for you.
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IzzyChan
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.06 21:15:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Ituralde
A shame they didn't take down the Wyvern, too.
Didn't have enough ammo. 
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.06 21:48:00 -
[52]
If it does come around again, Mr. Delateriel, we will be ready. I've certainly learned my lessons from Palermo and the Guristas. It may be a little arrogant for me to believe this, but the only way they could really, really bring it around again would be using sheer force in space they have no jurisdiction in.
As for you Svetlana, what makes you think we weren't on top of the situation regarding Mr. Vaastun? One of Mr. Zaitsev's greatest teachings, after all, is that distrust is key to survival. Sometimes you gotta give in a little to get a little.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.07 02:46:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
As for you Svetlana, what makes you think we weren't on top of the situation regarding Mr. Vaastun? One of Mr. Zaitsev's greatest teachings, after all, is that distrust is key to survival. Sometimes you gotta give in a little to get a little.
Showing, once again, that some people can't really grasp the distinction between public reasons and actual reasons.
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Tatsue Nuko
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.06.07 18:29:00 -
[54]
All differences of mine with key Omerta personnel aside, the notion that they'd somehow have failed to understand what it means to be Caldari (etcetera etcetera ad nauseam) is ludicrous.
Omerta has interests in scientific development.
Omerta has a certain history with Ishukone corporation.
Omerta has acted in it's interest as a corporation in this instance, striking at their foes.
In fact, I'd venture as far as to say that due to it's history Omerta Syndicate knows more about what it means to be Caldari than CAIN does.
Omerta, for the actions described in that piece of news, I salute you.
/Tatsue Nuko, former Political Officer to the Omerta Syndicate.
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Talaris EveningStar
Caldari
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.07 18:58:00 -
[55]
The standard disclaimer: Despite my rank and position, this is my personal opinion of the matter and not a statement on behalf of APEX Unlimited or her subidiaries.
That being said, I feel for you Omerta Syndicate pilots. I even respected a few of you at one time. How far you have all fallen, to some delusion of foolish grandeur, thinking a misfit band of political malcontents has any future. I know not how you can sleep at night knowing your nothing more then a band of bloodthirsty, easily manipulated, ape-like creatures.
But then that's where the Terrorist mentality and tangent comes in isn't it? Any rant, no matter how filled with misinformation. Any act, no matter how horrific or heinous. It's all justified in the end by your moral platitudes. There was a time I could have been so gullible to even perhaps join you. I killed my own parents because of their greed and corruption, for the greater good of the State.
You have acted against the State. You have acted against her citizens. And you display no remorse.
May The State hunt you down and turn you all into biomass reprocessing materials. It would amuse me greatly to know that my next jump clone was grown from the left overs of your dead bodies.
Burn in the darkest, deepest pits of hell you disgusting traitors.
"Democracy is for the gullible, Tyrrany is for the weak. We, the State, are the answer to both."
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Van Cleef
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.06.07 19:50:00 -
[56]
Throughout this event, and the event on the 16th of May (innovaatio varustukset scientists kidnapped), O-SYN has constantly shown that they have put their own ideas and agenda ahead of that the Caldari State as whole. First attempting to transfer a state scientist to the Guristas - a organization that is founded with the expressed objective of destroying the State - and then with the attack against State property in the research station.
These are not the actions of someone "who knows what being a Caldari is about". They are no better than the common Gurista.
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.06.07 19:57:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Van Cleef
Throughout this event, and the event on the 16th of May (innovaatio varustukset scientists kidnapped), O-SYN has constantly shown that they have put their own ideas and agenda ahead of that the Caldari State as whole.
The same could be said of the megacorporations themselves. What Omerta Syndicate has done is only different in the sense that they made no move to conceal their actions.
[quoteThese are not the actions of someone "who knows what being a Caldari is about". They are no better than the common Gurista.
Taken in context with my last point, I find myself agreeing with you. "They"
(O-SYN and the current leaders of the Megacorporations) really are no better.
Our people deserve better, but it will not come to us on its own.
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.07 20:02:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Van Cleef
They are no better than the common Gurista.
Comparison to the Gursitas? Given the mess that the state is in because of people with your attitude, that's a good thing.
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Van Cleef
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.06.07 21:02:00 -
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Verone, I see not where you stand on some moral high ground looking down and passing judgements against any form of government, as you - and your corporation, are a known pirate group and terrorist that feeds off the State in its low security regions.
Where any of your qualifications come to play to pass these judgements, I am at a loss.
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Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Yuki Li
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.07 21:53:00 -
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Handing off the scientists to the Guristas was an NOH ploy to allow them to "rescue" the scientist, you're blind if you've not figured that out.
At no point were we being manipulated, as we had an entirely mutually beneficial deal with Mr. Vaastun.
As for the attack on the station, that was Ishukone property. And no, we don't put the State first - we put the Caldari people first.
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