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Maze La'Zie Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.06.05 13:24:00 - [1] This is a personal opinion. Omerta Syndicate. You truly lack understanding of what it means to be Caldari. I speak not of your involvement in the conflict between the megacorps. I acknowledge your right to struggle for your values, to seek to better the State through conflict - which will ultimately strengthen us all... I speak not of your fighting against my parent Ishukone, not of your espionage. I speak not of your martial prowess or lack thereof... I call you fools because you lack restraint. Because in your hunger to avenge you act like the blood-blinded Brutor. You destroy. Years of research. Trillions of ISK. What a waste.
Narciss Sevar Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.05 13:37:00 - [2] O-SYN are just another bob pet now, i doubt they care about the Caldari state much. snip Signature breaks the Forum Rules. If you have questions email us with a link to your signature -Eldo ([email protected])
Maze La'Zie Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.06.05 13:42:00 - [3] Originally by: Narciss Sevar O-SYN are just another bob pet now, i doubt they care about the Caldari state much. Let us hear that from them.
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:03:00 - [4] You're obviously blind to Omerta Syndicate's work if you have this opinion. Look deeper and you'll see some of the outstanding technology, medical breakthroughs and resarch that O-SYN are working on day in, day out. Look deeper and you'll see a corporation filled with innovative minds that every day are attempting to push the boundaries of science. Of course you'd see this, if CAIN hadn't spent the last several months in total abandonment of the welfare of the State, fighting for the Amarrian Cause as an Imperial lapdog. Shouldn't you be off killing hoardes of your own citizens rather than posting childish accusations with no basis or fact on GalNet? Amusing. >>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
Maze La'Zie Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:15:00 - [5] Originally by: Verone You're obviously blind... Leaving aside CAIN's recent actions, which have been discussed elswhere and are of little relevence here... Do you really see this as an attempt by 'innovative minds' to 'push the boundaries of science'? I see desparation, lack of judgement and wilful destruction to the detriment of our economy and knowledge, and hence the State itself.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:16:00 - [6] Originally by: Narciss Sevar O-SYN are just another bob pet now, i doubt they care about the Caldari state much. pretty much the truth of the matter, at least the truth behind the verbal front I should say. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:26:00 - [7] Originally by: Maze La'Zie Originally by: Verone You're obviously blind... Leaving aside CAIN's recent actions, which have been discussed elswhere and are of little relevence here... Do you really see this as an attempt by 'innovative minds' to 'push the boundaries of science'? I see desparation, lack of judgement and wilful destruction to the detriment of our economy and knowledge, and hence the State itself. I see it as thinking outside of the box. With innovative thought, the possibilities are endless. As for CAIN's recent actions, you'll find they have every relevance when you openly and publically choose to slander someone. Pot, Kettle? >>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
Maze La'Zie Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:39:00 - [8] Originally by: Verone I see it as thinking outside of the box. I sincerely hope, from the depths of my heart, that you never hold a seat on the board of any corporation in which I hold a share.
Ayari Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.06.05 14:52:00 - [9] O-SYN could not find their place within the state, so they choose to operate outside it's boundaries, much as the Guristas do. Like the Guristas, they engage in activities that are counter to the state's objectives, and as such, are exiles, cast out. The actions of Omerta Syndicate may well be done in the name of Caldari everywhere, but they have no loyalty to the CEP or the State. Personally, I am unsurprised at this news, as I would expect it of them. As for being 'imperial lapdogs', the truth of that matter is that there are just a lot of people within CAIN who find the Star Fraction ideology reprehensible and like any excuse to shoot at them. It's really as simple as that, Star Fraction just gave us the excuse we needed.
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Maze La'Zie Originally by: Verone I see it as thinking outside of the box. I sincerely hope, from the depths of my heart, that you never hold a seat on the board of any corporation in which I hold a share. Likewise, I wouldn't feel the urge to have a financial foothold in anything involving your organisation, because let's face it, it seems you are quite adept at personification of the phrase "Friendly Fire". Originally by: Ayari As for being 'imperial lapdogs', the truth of that matter is that there are just a lot of people within CAIN who find the Star Fraction ideology reprehensible and like any excuse to shoot at them. It's really as simple as that, Star Fraction just gave us the excuse we needed. This is the finest twist of words I've seen from a CAIN member so far regardling the complete lack of support of the State by a self acclaimed paramilitary organisation. >>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
Maze La'Zie Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:14:00 - [11] Whether Ayari's words reflect CAIN policy or not, there is nothing shameful in our society about reinforcing ideology with force of arms. The constant 'interplay' between the magacorporations keeps our warriors sharp and our technology unrivalled. I am not criticising O-SYN for the military nature of their struggle, I am criticising their destruction of significant and possibly unique technology. Frankly, and there are many, even among my own corporation, who might disagree, this loss was infinitely more harmful to the State than the loss of a freighter-full of rioters.
Ayari Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:16:00 - [12] Edited by: Ayari on 05/06/2007 15:15:48 Originally by: Verone This is the finest twist of words I've seen from a CAIN member so far regardling the complete lack of support of the State by a self acclaimed paramilitary organisation. I'm flattered, really, but I speak plainly, those are my thoughts on the matter, no twisting intended on my part.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:30:00 - [13] In a certain sense, Omerta Syndicate are indeed truly Caldari and willing to live with the consequences of what that entails. Betrayed, as they would have it, by Ishukone, and by extension the State, the captains of Omerta Syndicate went into self-imposed exile and sought to find their own destiny in the stars. Choosing to involve themselves in the sphere of high-technology they have an understandable interest in the activities of their competitors. Ultimately, the use of force to eliminate potentially competing technologies is one means that can be used to advance the interests of such a corporation. Mind you, I do not speak for Omerta Syndicate and I have had my differences with some of their members but it occurs to me that the exiled Caldari can take many paths and one among them is to adopt a defiant stance and act as if the State itself is a competitor. In this respect, denying the State the fruits of the research in question is an act that many a Caldari would find perfectly comprehensible and indeed admirable in the context of corporate and megacorporate competition. This is rather more in line with the traditions of the Caldari people than the behaviour of CAIN in the wake of its massacre of some 65,000 Caldari State citizens. In times gone past, for a crime of this magnitude the perpetrators, once captured, would have been obliged to commit ritual suicide. For a failure such as allowing their pilots to take part in it their leaders would have gone into exile. Instead, a few officers are docked four months pay and reduced in rank. The rest of the mealy-mouthed crew evade all responsibility. The contrast is stark and rather begs the question as to who really understands what it means to be Caldari between the two organisations. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:32:00 - [14] Originally by: Maze La'Zie Frankly, and there are many, even among my own corporation, who might disagree, this loss was infinitely more harmful to the State than the loss of a freighter-full of rioters. And there we have it. You lambast the destruction of technical equipment and hardware which can be replaced, yet you condone the murder of tens of thousands of your fellow citizens, by the hands of your corporation, who as paramilitaries have a duty to protect the interests of? I think you could use some knowledge from the phrase "Learn What It Means To Be Caldari." >>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
Maze La'Zie Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.06.05 15:40:00 - [15] It's a controversial point, Mr. Verone, I agree. How can the interests of the State be placed above the interests of individual citizens? Can the two be defined and separated in any rational sense? There has been much debate on this issue and I expect it to continue. However, I know where I stand. You alluded earlier to an ancient proverb. Is human life sacred to you? Or is it only to be protected if the humans in question 'pay the man'?
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.05 16:11:00 - [16] Originally by: Maze La'Zie You alluded earlier to an ancient proverb. Is human life sacred to you? Or is it only to be protected if the humans in question 'pay the man'? Human life means nothing to me, however my word does. As do my principles. How did it feel to betray your word, and principles? Your word being that when required as a paramiltary, you would rally in defense of your Citizens and their way of life. On the contrary, your organization has spent the last few months fighting for Amarrian citizens and their way of life, rather than your own. I beleive said Citizens of the State are now bagged, tagged, and probably reprocessed due to the incompetence of triggerhappy CAIN pilots. >>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
Maze La'Zie Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.06.05 16:20:00 - [17] Originally by: Verone How did it feel to betray your word, and principles? Your word being that when required as a paramiltary, you would rally in defense of your Citizens and their way of life. That is not, and never has been, my word. And the above is my last word, as it were, for now. I await a response from O-SYN.
Van Cleef Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.06.05 16:24:00 - [18] The Star Fractions war against the Amarrian bloc was not a war against slavery. That was never a stated goal of the Star Fraction, to end slavery, rather they were there to destroy a nationalisitic paramilitary supporter. We fought against the Star Fraction because they hate everyone like us, regardless of race. ------------------------------------------------ CEO and Admiral of the Fleet Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Serve the State Join Channel CAINCOM
Yuki Li Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.06.05 16:34:00 - [19] The price of corruption is indeed a high one. It's a shame the research was destroyed, but if left with Ishukone it'd only strengthen them further, funding the rot within the Caldari State. If you believe preventing that rot from growing to be misguided, it's you who lacks understanding. You keep proving to me that CAIN is not fit to represent the Caldari again and again. I don't care what it cost, the price had to be paid. Website Recruiting
Revy Daidros Gallente Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.06.05 17:13:00 - [20] Congratulations Omerta, on having the guts to do what others did not. If this was indeed a unique and up-coming new technology, shame on the State for not defending it better. To think that their arrogance shows is such ways, pouring from tiny fissures in their weak infrastructure, is laughable. <Broken Strands>
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.06.05 17:19:00 - [21] Originally by: Van Cleef The Star Fractions war against the Amarrian bloc was not a war against slavery. That was never a stated goal of the Star Fraction, to end slavery, rather they were there to destroy a nationalisitic paramilitary supporter. We fought against the Star Fraction because they hate everyone like us, regardless of race. To be completely accurate. You hopped onto a bandwagon that you hoped would deliver you to some kind of victory over the Star Fraction. The fact it was an Amarrian band wagon meant nothing to you. At the end of the day we have previously argued that all nationalists are scum simply because they are united by their ignorance and tyranny far more than they are divided by individual national traits and this was fully proven by your recent attempted intervention. And yet even flying in the company of slavers you were defeated and humiliated and sent fleeing back to whence you came (a long way away from free captains and the dangerous traits of independence and individual responsibility). CAIN is a morally bankrupt organization without the courage of its own convictions and you have absolutely no position from which to criticize Omerta Syndicate. Star Fraction is recruiting
Van Cleef Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.06.05 21:00:00 - [22] Quote: And yet even flying in the company of slavers you were defeated and humiliated and sent fleeing back to whence you came (a long way away from free captains and the dangerous traits of independence and individual responsibility). CAIN successfully accomplished the directives that the Command Staff had set out prior to the engagement of hostilities. The rest of what you said is simply Star Fraction propaganda. ------------------------------------------------ CEO and Admiral of the Fleet Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Serve the State Join Channel CAINCOM
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.06.05 22:06:00 - [23] Originally by: Van Cleef CAIN successfully accomplished the directives that the Command Staff had set out prior to the engagement of hostilities. The rest of what you said is simply Star Fraction propaganda. Really? Originally by: excerpt from CAIN's announcement of Operation 'Cascade Fire' Operational goals of Cascade Fire involve the containment of Star Fraction forces to Amarr and nearby systems, as well as engaging and destroying targets of opportunity elsewhere. Originally by: excerpt from CAIN's own end of Operation 'Cascade Fire' report In general, Operation Cascade Fire cannot be called a complete success, as allied forces were unable to meet the Reserve's goals of containing Star Fraction forces within the Amarr system. No further 'propaganda' is needed. CAIN's words speak for themselves. They failed. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.06.06 00:14:00 - [24] Edited by: Kyoko Sakoda on 06/06/2007 00:14:56 Mr. Samuli claimed that our raid on his installation possibly set technological progress in the State back entire decades. How can you ignore this man's conceit? The only real thing Innovaatio had going for them was the research into the universal cloaking device - research that more than likely will resurface again, soon, perhaps driven forward with more vigor now that everyone's on equal footing and they know it can be done. There's serious potential for competition now. What we killed was a monopoly that was about to become Ishukone's. Based on what we've seen of them, we couldn't let that happen. The State is a competitor in many a sense, yes, but we don't wish to see it collapse. Nor will it. Some of you act as if this is some kind of economic doomsday. It's my hope that some of the CEOs take a lesson or two away from all this: namely that if you mistreat or abuse your employed that it might come back to bite you. Cause and effect. Learn what it means to be Caldari with Omerta Syndicate
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.06 00:36:00 - [25] Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 06/06/2007 00:37:08 the over all goal of the conflict was to counter Star Fraction's goal. since all the amarr groups(CVA, VV, AM and PIE) are still around and indeed strong enough to succeed at taking Ushra'Khan's last outpost proves beyond any doubt that SF failed to make any impact at all. don't pat your self on the back Star Fractioneers. You gained nothing, were used as a distraction and Ushra'Khan still lost everything. that would be game, set and match for Amarr. and people wonder why I call them team "win". edit: oh yeah and CAIN was down there too you know. that kinda shoots down that whole "coward" theory you are spouting up there jassy-kin. takes a set of brass ones to go up against a titan and some motherships, unlike a certain other alliance that has abandoned lawless space for the easier fighting on smaller empire based groups... Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Van Cleef Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.06.06 00:41:00 - [26] You can make all the cute quotes you want, however, PIE still exist, they still move around the throne worlds at their own will and they also were part of an invasion that saw the terrorist Unity station fall. Claim what you want SF, but do it in your own thread. ------------------------------------------------ CEO and Admiral of the Fleet Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Serve the State Join Channel CAINCOM
Aria Jenneth Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.06 02:05:00 - [27] Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 06/06/2007 02:07:58 Fools, is it, Mr. La'Zie? ... Please, let me get this straight: INNVA put assets worth "multiple trillions" of ISK in future development in a lightly-armored research facility in orbit around a moon a handful of jumps from both Gurista-haunted lowsec and the Gallente border, with no star base shield whatever. They failed to duplicate their research elsewhere, or to keep backups of their datafiles off-site. They defended this paper-thin installation with a buggy, prototype station cloaking device and a defensive fleet that a modest pod pilot gang in battleship and cruiser-scale vessels managed to devour in under ten minutes with minimal losses. To put this in perspective, this is like parading through lowsec in an unfitted, uninsured, brand-new Titan with minimal support, your jump drive offline, a skeleton crew, your shields and armor stripped and stuck in cargo along with most of your weapons, and the words "POD ME" written on the side of your ship in letters that can be read from an AU away. You might have to take a bit more off, actually, to achieve the same level of "What were you thinking?!" that INNVA has achieved here. So, let's take a look at who the fools might be. First, we have Omerta, being "manipulated" by a Practical employee, allegedly without the backing of his corporation. That's frankly fine. He wanted Ishukone weakened, and needed us to help. We wanted Ishukone weakened, and needed to know how to hurt them. Ishukone, by the way, is a part of the Caldari State, but its welfare and that of the State are scarcely the same thing. Secondly, we've got INNVA, putting all its research behind one very thin hull and a handful of defenders. Lovely job. Finally, if the second is not true, then the third candidate for the title of "fool" must be: anyone who believes the above news story as written. Please consider: a research project worth potential trillions of ISK gets taken down by a dozen pod pilots in under an hour, and nobody in their entire facility thought to make backups? Either INNVA's managerial staff was so breathtakingly incompetent that they should really not be allowed to involve themselves in anything requiring more foresight than waxing a floor, or we're collectively having our legs pulled by someone, and I don't mean Mr. Vaastun. Ladies, gentlemen, you may feel free to continue to believe that Omerta Syndicate has, miraculously, found a weak point where a dozen pilots could set the State back "decades" in a few minutes. It seems more likely that we set Ishukone back a modest distance. And the State ... even assuming that Ishukone's fortunes are tied in with it in this case, it seems doubtful that we've scratched it at all. These are, of course, my own opinions, and not those of Omerta Syndicate as a corporation.
Namingway Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters	Posted - 2007.06.06 02:27:00 - [28] Would you people mind continuing your derailment elsewhere? Some of us are here to read about the topic Maze brought up, not yet another useless argument we've seen here a few dozen times too many already. Thanks. I can only laugh at Kyoko's comments. Even footing? You mean like they had before Inno's breakthroughs? Oh that's right, it was Ishukone who stood to gain from all of this, and O-SYN simply cannot have that can they? Petty grudges dictate that they must destroy ground-breaking caldari technology. Originally by: CCP kieron If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.06 03:15:00 - [29] Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 06/06/2007 03:15:50 A brief bit of OSyn history: Omerta Syndicate, according to its own records, began life as an Ishukone biotech subsidiary, involved in some ethically doubtful and possibly illegal research. Apparently, at some point, the relationship went sour for reasons still unknown to most, of not all, Omerta memberss and Ishukone had Omerta liquidated in the most nearly-literal and most violent of possible senses. The survivors struck out on their own, and eventually returned to their old business, biotech research, and began hiring new blood. Yours truly, for instance. I was not in Omerta at the time of the purge; neither were most of us. Our leadership, however, was, and Omerta's history still applies to Omerta as a whole. So, yes, it is a grudge we have against Ishukone. Perhaps "vendetta" would be as good a word. Petty? ... I suppose we'll leave that for you to decide. As before, these are my own opinions. If I've got some bit of history wrong, I invite correction from other OSyn members.
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.06.06 03:17:00 - [30] Edited by: Kyoko Sakoda on 06/06/2007 03:22:32 It's not just a grudge, Mr. Namingway, it's a conflict of ideals. There's so much more behind the violence. And to make things clearer for you, I was in no way stating that the megacorporations were ever on "even footing," but rather was conceding they'd all have to start on this research project from scratch, and that the obstacle we put in place for the river of scientific progress to flow around was more a stone and much less a dam. Addendum: Yes, Hakase Jenneth has summerized our history with Ishukone accurately, but of course not in full detail. The details are however not pertinent to this thread. Learn what it means to be Caldari with Omerta Syndicate

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