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Scragg	Posted - 2004.01.12 16:20:00 - [61] Edited by: Scragg on 12/01/2004 16:21:20 Lets see.... your mad because you keep getting shot while traveling though a war zone that you have been warned not to travel though because of the increased danger. MOST of the combatants in the area try to respect Xetics neutrality and don't shoot at Xetic ships. No one I know specifically targets or hunts Xetic ships or mining ops and you are only shot at by mistake in Curse or near the entrance. I know Evol have more aggressive rules of engagement but only in Curse and the surrounding area. You claim you don't want to be shot at and you want to maintain neutrality. Your solution to the problem of occasionally being targeted in a war zone you have been warned not to enter is to join one of the warring sides. Now at least half the people in the area won't hesitate to shoot at you and many will actively hunt you. Sounds like you just cut your leg off to fix an ingrown toe nail to me. WouldnÆt a better solution be to just avoid the war zone, keep friendly and neutral with both sides and be welcome back when the war is over? By joining one side or the other you will just prolong the conflict and suffer significant losses. Oh an no one FORCED anyone to join any war. If you take up arms agaisnt someone in Eve it's 100% by choice. Scragg, Tyrell Corporation Vice-Director Military Operations
PIraten	Posted - 2004.01.12 16:24:00 - [62] Sequin guess what.. we can always go back if we want!!!! But I dont think we never will sence XETIC and far most XT whants peace 2 al cost...!!! Any way This was realy deapley talked about within the corp and NO one did want 2 leave the corp 4 a other XETIC corp.. In the end we al belived that we needed a change. If it was the right thing to do? Time will tell... OH and Evolution as I have played online games 4 a long long time I can almost bet my as on that non off u wants 2 have a fair fight in 1 on 1, THATS fun my freends not camping gates, shooting on haulers that offers lite or non resistense... So wy not start a turnument with one on one fights? Al can join this.. last man standing will be "the master" Until the next game.... OH rules are U blow him upp u win
sutty	Posted - 2004.01.12 16:28:00 - [63] Quote: OH and Evolution as I have played online games 4 a long long time I can almost bet my as on that non off u wants 2 have a fair fight in 1 on 1, THATS fun my freends not camping gates, shooting on haulers that offers lite or non resistense... I had plenty of 1v1's. and also engage brain moron. CA out number the ammount of evolution, therefor we are mostly always fighting greater odds.
Maiwenn LeBesco	Posted - 2004.01.12 16:36:00 - [64] Dude, according to this thread we have over 500 pilots chasing us. If those aren't fair enough odds for you, I dunno what else will convince you.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.01.12 16:56:00 - [65] Quote: u were told countless times to stop warping to gates ALONGSIDE CA ships but u never took any notice. You still carried on when we told u that we would shoot your ships aswell if we saw them warping around with CA ships, but u still carried on. I guess u actually joined the CA along time ago but tried to stay neutral by using a another alliance as cover OK, I see this getting out of hand fast. One thing should be made clear immediately. XETIC has not joined CA, neither has the IF done so. Only one member corp of Xetic/IF has joined CA because of the continuing aggression by Evolution. That copr is the one i am a member of, Colossus Technologies. In fact the rest of Xetic is still neutral to CA, SA and maybe even Evol. To be precise, the main reason CT left Xetic is because Xetic did not want a war with Evol. Well, we do. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
XTSTURM	Posted - 2004.01.12 17:05:00 - [66] Edited by: XTSTURM on 12/01/2004 17:08:14 To make a position clear! we allways worked on a "free trader zone" in Immensea and we will stick to our plans! Immensea was a taff choise because of the Catch warzone and a "no station" area! Furthermnore we will keep up with the work to have good relations with our neightbors! As kown we prefer the way of diplomacy and working NAPs. We have a NAP with SA and CA which is the basis of all peacefull actions in the area. Some will call us "cowerd" because of that thinking. Feel free! We have the ability to strike back if it`s needed but in fact it`s not the way we prefer! Make ur own decision how to handle our forces in catch. In fact CA had the ability to to respect the NAP with an outstanding disciplin at any time! (even in situation of gate blockades) That does not mean that we are closer to them then to others but they earned our respect for that! We will try to keep up our neutrality as long as possible! side note to EVOL: Remember Catch is not just a warzone for us it`s the same for you! We knew that the warzone will cause "accidents" but u decided to attack us in Immensea and u can argue if u want, fact is that Immensea is not Catch. Unfotunately we have to react to this incident. This is the last official statement about this topic from XETIC! XTSturm Member of X-Trader Board of Directors Director of X-Traders Def Admiral of the XETIC forces
sutty	Posted - 2004.01.12 17:20:00 - [67] look here is the deal. Its all about trust. Here is a example of what I mean, mr Example XETIC indy comes to gate where evolution are camping, we let him past, he then has the chance to relay info to CA or even warn CA in the next system. It has happened to us in the past when we decided to let people past. so this time no Evolution does not do NAP's and never will. therefor we told you to avoid us at all costs or face loss of your ships. thats the deal like it or do somthing about it, either way you will lose ships.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.01.12 17:33:00 - [68] Quote: OK Children itÆs time to all calm down and have our cookies and milk First off, Temerlyn, I am sorry, but you are a confused individual and should sit down before you hurt yourself trying to make sense of anything that is said on these boards. Second, please never attempt to use logic in your arguments ever again, as it fails you miserably. Quote: So we consider Evol kos as a seperate entity from SA, If SA declare war on Xetic then it cleary states Evol is SA. That is like saying you are CA because you are declaring war on Evolution. Are you CA? Please go sit in the corner. Second we have Dreamworks over here. I am sorry for you as well, as you appear to be the most confused out of anyone here child. You openly state that you wanted to join Evolution because you thought they were 1337 and you wanted to be a part of it. Unfortunately for you, you did not pass go, and did not collect your $200. Now you turn around and call Evolution pirates? This leads me to believe one of two things. 1- You are just a disgruntled carebear who is **ed off he didnÆt get to join the club with the rest of the cool kids and now has to sling mud to make them look bad. 2- You yourself are indeed a pirate and wanted to join a pirate corporation. Go join Temerlyn in the corner. Quote: I have yet to meet an Evolution member I didn't hate in seconds. Arrogant, Ignorant, and Belligerent. û Wren Wren, youÆre a Minmatar. No one gives the square root of all what you think anyways. BTW, havenÆt I seen your corpse somewhere? Go to the corner please. Quote: SO DON'T EVOLUTION TRY 2 JUSTIFY WHY U PUTTED US FIRST ON YOUR KOS LIST!!! BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T PUTTED YOU ON OURS, yet!!!! - Sundri Elaption I think you Xetic kids need to figure out wtf you are doing. First off we got Temerlyn over here in the corner declaring holy war on Evolution and pretty much saying we are doomed. We got Primer off in lala land and no one knows wtf he is doing or talking about cause he apparently has lost his pants. Sundri is off trying to see the future with some magic bowl thing, probably some lost relic from RangarÆs closet or something. The CEO of HC saying he has 500 people putting us on their KOS list. Then there is you saying that we are not on a Xetic kos list. Now I donÆt know who it is that runs your freak show of an alliance, but I would hope that you could all get one the same page. Then there is CT. The fact that they leave Xetic (an alliance which as far as I can understand from what people are saying here has Evol on their kos list) to join the CA so they can kill Evol is a little odd. Quote: I only have this 2 say we will see how long Evolution can and will adapt 2 situations they create. You donÆt much about Evolution do you? And last but not least, we have ôThe Dukeö OMG 10-4 GOOD BUDDY!!! In typical fashion throwing some little comeback no doubt to some earlier remark made in another thread. Quote:** Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig û Duke I am terribly sorry Duke, but if I wanted a little comeback, id scrape it off the back of your throat. Whoa ! That's priceless deathwing ! I laughed my ass off. No, really. But on a more serious note, it may not all sound very coherent after the first page or so, but then again Xetic isnt that used to entering forum warzones as we get podded too much here. Let me clear it up a bit: 1. Xetic doen not have evol on KOS, but will try to secure their hauling routes probably. And since that includes U-Q you might see something happening there. 2. Xetic still wants peace with all as far as i know. 3. CT has tired of the continous loss-v-win calculation most of Xetic tends to make when it comes to deciding on wether to strike back at evolution. Therefore we chose to side with CA. 4. CT will remain very friendly with Xetic always. 5. We as individuals have our different reasons for not liking Evolution much, mine is mainly that they behave arrogantly, use lame excuses to justify actions they'd not ven try to justify if they would admit to being pirates. However, i do respect their skills, and to some extent their indepent behaviour and strong presence in Eve. To me they are like m0o, just a little weaker and without the balls to admit what they are. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.01.12 17:36:00 - [69] Quote: Dude, according to this thread we have over 500 pilots chasing us. If those aren't fair enough odds for you, I dunno what else will convince you. Wrong, xetic will not chase you, CT will. CT numbers 15-20 active members in BS's at the moment. The big part of the 500 mentioned before is within XTraders, a true mega- mining and production corp. But they will not actively hunt you anyway. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.01.12 17:40:00 - [70] Quote: look here is the deal. Its all about trust. Here is a example of what I mean, mr Example XETIC indy comes to gate where evolution are camping, we let him past, he then has the chance to relay info to CA or even warn CA in the next system. It has happened to us in the past when we decided to let people past. so this time no Evolution does not do NAP's and never will. therefor we told you to avoid us at all costs or face loss of your ships. thats the deal like it or do somthing about it, either way you will lose ships. Funny thing is Xetic was closer to SA in the past then Ca probably. So this argument is exactly null and void as far aas Xetic is concerned. I personally warned Evolution that your stance towards neutrality of Xetic ships would drive at least some of us to CA. And now the first corp has gone over. I wwonder how happy stain will be with your lot after you have managed to force an alliance between Xetic and CA ? _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
sutty	Posted - 2004.01.12 17:51:00 - [71] Edited by: sutty on 12/01/2004 17:52:35 I dont think we care. And stains relation ship with XTIC has nothing to do with evolutions therefor your argument is void.
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2004.01.12 18:05:00 - [72] So, uh, can we just get this straight. Xetic is staying neutral. CT is not. (just want to prioritize targets) Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
CT BadIronTree	Posted - 2004.01.12 18:06:00 - [73] Quote: u were told countless times to stop warping to gates ALONGSIDE CA ships but u never took any notice. You still carried on when we told u that we would shoot your ships aswell if we saw them warping around with CA ships, but u still carried on. I guess u actually joined the CA along time ago but tried to stay neutral by using a another alliance as cover omg just kill me Xetic started at beta 5 as a secret Alliense of TRADE (i still remember how many time we got attacked and noone help us)X-traders , CT and i think one two more corps (loans, ship at cost... free BPc e.t.) i cant understant why we left Xetic and i am sad... we are together more than a year is like quiting my corp... but i have to follow our CEO by joining CA unfotunately we have to fight SA and CC to we always have seen CA and SA the 100% SAME but by been in CA region (refiners nothing more) we "alway" know their moves their army and more... when mobile refining (or stations) would come in game we would have left.. but SA thinked that because we are forsed to use the CA stations we are with them... one other reason i can think is that some months ago 2or3 50% of CT militery left to go play pirates :) (because of the game - bored to death) some made a new corp and join CA - others are the very very know 1337 pirates of eve... (we make the pirates of the future :P ) evolution and some member of SA try to make all XETIC to attack SA (SA have to take a look on that... who force them to do that and kick this corp from them) thank god diplomasy avoided a full scale attack on SA (NAP again) but CT cant stand losing indys or ark of 800 milions cost (the carent market price) (xetic is peace peace peace never fight... like in 70' :P ... it have BIG power) So we moved... but we have new enemys to XETIC all i say is that they must use the 120 BS we gathered in that startgate the last time... (i have a photo ) CU YOU ALL IN EVE ps: there is no big conspiracy why we left xetic and join CA we are **ed off and want to kill evolution and the SA people that were killing us... we have never ever even think of joing CA ps2: ME CT NOT XETIC :P ps3: we sould all join together CA, SA, AND XETIC and attack the west alliences to be west vs east :P big OMG war :)** ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5) ---------------------------------------
The Monk	Posted - 2004.01.12 18:19:00 - [74] Its common knowledge that Evol are a piate corp its just they refuse to admit it. I know its been said before but at least m0o admit they are active pirates unlike Evol who make up some role play crap etc. ----------------------- ╔╤╗╒╕╔╕║║/ ║│║╘╛║╘╝║\ -----------------------
sutty	Posted - 2004.01.12 18:26:00 - [75] maybe you should visit www.dictionary.com look up the word pirate. piÀrate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prt) n. One who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without commission from a sovereign nation. A ship used for this purpose. One who preys on others; a plunderer. One who makes use of or reproduces the work of another without authorization. One that operates an unlicensed, illegal television or radio station. v. piÀratÀed, piÀratÀing, piÀrates v. tr. To attack and rob (a ship at sea). To take (something) by piracy. To make use of or reproduce (another's work) without authorization. v. intr. To act as a pirate; practice piracy. Ok so from the above we can see that the relation between evolution and pirates are very much different. To start we do not kill people for profit. Im sure we dont have a illegal radio station , nor Have we stole anyones work. Therefor I conclude that evolution are not pirates, and that you need to find a better word to describe us.
Sajuuk Cor	Posted - 2004.01.12 18:32:00 - [76] "One who preys on others" Read the entire definition before patting yourself on the back.
Main	Posted - 2004.01.12 18:41:00 - [77] Quote: Its common knowledge that Evol are a piate corp its just they refuse to admit it. I know its been said before but at least m0o admit they are active pirates unlike Evol who make up some role play crap etc. Hehehehehehe, the only difference between Moo and Shinra and the Curse Alliance, is the truth. Moo have never claimed to be anything but pirates, Shinra still claim to be fighting for the good guys. Don't you actually think about the people you have helped in the past, some of the most evil people in the entire universe. I do hope sooner or later, you will come to your senses and help the Stain Alliance, Fountain Alliance and Evolution fight for the good of the people and help defeat Curse and their worthless allies. Main Everlasting Vendetta Veteran Member of the Stain Alliance
sutty	Posted - 2004.01.12 18:42:00 - [78] yes ? we prey on those who we are at war at. we warned XETIC, they chose not to listen, therefor they knew the consequence's but still continues to ignore it. how is it so hard to avoid us or even convo one of us before hand. instead you seen in local "oh its to late now I am already in warp" or "WE HAVE A NAP WE HAVE A NAP". to me that was always abit strange shows the communication among XETIC members though.
PIraten	Posted - 2004.01.12 18:44:00 - [79] ARGH No more talk U al have your agendas I have mine.. Lets play
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2004.01.12 19:30:00 - [80] Quote: omg just kill me KK Quote: ps3: we sould all join together CA, SA, AND XETIC and attack the west alliences That would be kinda fun actually Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.01.12 19:30:00 - [81] Quote: So, uh, can we just get this straight. Xetic is staying neutral. CT is not. (just want to prioritize targets) Indeed, Xetic is NOT joining CA in any way. We at CT owe them enough to let that be clear. Xetic will stay neutral to evol probably, meaning they will only fire when evol is in a waarzone and they need acces to systems occupied by evol. Also SA (Joshue mostly i guess) needs to know that Xetic will honor the NAP with SA as agreed. So, from now on i'll leave Xetic to talk for themselves _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Acix	Posted - 2004.01.12 20:47:00 - [82] Man it seems that my corp was not the only ones that have had problems with SA firing on our ships. My corp has fought along side FA, SA, GWP, and many others that are anti-CA. Out of these alliances only SA would be hunting with one of our members and then 10 minutes later fire on and kill one of our battleships or cruisers. We have always been friendly to SA and have turned the other cheek as they kill our ships they know are fighting the CA in curse. I personally have lost 2 battleships to the SA. To date the SA have destroyed more of our ships due to friendly fire than the CA has and we are actually at war with the CA. Also Believe me when I say that the SA council is basicly useless to talk to about such incedents. My group hunts CA and holds gates to catch CA coming through the system. We always announce our affiliation in local to all non CA groups. Usually sound something like "Hello (insert name here) our group is killing CA in this system. You are not CA so we will not fire on your ships. Please do not fire on ours." This is even after we are able to get info and read the corp description. To date we have only had 2 friendly fire incidents in 3 months of war with the CA that were our fault. One a ship was destroyed but was payed for + extra within minutes of the mistake happening. The second happened last night and we are actively trying to remedy the problem (even tho it did not end in a ships destruction). So anyone can see the reasons people have to be angry at the SA. But it seems if we are all going to take down the CA we need to work together and find a better way to deal with these problems. SA is the only alliance that my own corp has had these types of friendly fire incidents with. So maybe the SA needs to re-evaluate what they are doing to not have these incidents. The SA is too good of a force to let problems like these keep happening. Guys lets get this all straightened out so we can just worry about having to kill the CA guys.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.01.12 20:50:00 - [83] Quote: ps3: we sould all join together CA, SA, AND XETIC and attack the west alliences Won't happen - Pirate alliance (FE) have too many close ties to CA. No idea why LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
sutty	Posted - 2004.01.12 20:54:00 - [84] BTW, we blew up a Xetic indy with "CA mining op" cans inside :')
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.01.12 20:58:00 - [85] Acix, Your corp. description contains no useful info. Populating it with some allegiance with FA etc might help avoid such friendly fire incidences. We tend to work on a "If you don't know who they are and there's no obvious alliance alignment, shoot them" policy. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Acix	Posted - 2004.01.12 21:12:00 - [86] We are non-aligned except for being at war with the CA. It has shown in the past to be useless to have anything in the corp description and talking to people in local is better. This has been proven more than once with the SA guys firing on our ships just minutes after having one of our corp members fighting the CA alongside them. There is no way the two SA pilots even checked info at all or they would have realized that they were just working with our corp just a few minutes prior. We have no problems at all with FA, GWP, or anyone else. Its just SA. On a side note if we put in our corp info that we are friends with anyone; and our only connection to them is a common war it causes more problems than it solves. Because we then get lumped into a catagory with your alliances. We pick up all the problems you have with other corps around the universe. Sure we have to do a little more work in the PR department such as talking in local. But to us its a better trade off. WE will work with all anti-CA corps and alliances. BUT we will under no circumstances pick up your problems in the process.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.01.12 21:23:00 - [87] Acix, ok. I knew about your corp. being good guys but I'll make sure everyone in SA understands. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
CT BadIronTree	Posted - 2004.01.12 21:30:00 - [88] Quote: BTW, we blew up a Xetic indy with "CA mining op" cans inside :') when was that? that's a lie the time you attack us in the XETIC mining event? i was there not even 1 CA member mine in Xetic region or immersa after the first week we cleim the region... the only thing i can think is that we bought that cans... CA market is OMG ... they sell shutles for 1 milion... i still remember buying i giant can for 500k :( from CA market... ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5) ---------------------------------------
Mistress D'Malice	Posted - 2004.01.12 21:33:00 - [89] Just so I understand Josh.... SA has an open policy of shooting neutrals? Or was that just an "unrefined" post speaking directly to Acix's comments? Black Lotus Official Forums - www.blacklotusclan.com Contact Me - [email protected]
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.01.12 21:40:00 - [90] Quote: Just so I understand Josh.... SA has an open policy of shooting neutrals? Or was that just an "unrefined" post speaking directly to Acix's comments? It's a warzone. If you're not an ally, you die* With the exception of XETIC who 99% of the time are recognised and let go. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!*

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