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kurtz abraham Mundus Iovialis Safe And Fun Environment	Posted - 2007.06.06 11:34:00 - [31] Edited by: kurtz abraham on 06/06/2007 11:44:47 Originally by: CCP Chronotis sadly, alliance use of mobile labs has been removed in kali 2.0 due to it not working in the first place and fixing it requires huge amounts of programming resources from multiple departments due to the complexity of the mechanics behind it. I know its not the answer you wanted, but additions such as outpost upgrades which allow the possibility of super-lab research stations with lots of slots will ease the demand somewhat created by invention. So weeks and weeks of standings grinding, 1.9bil isk saved up and now you are removing 4 functions just because 2 of them "can't" be fixed?! way to go! Can't you just remove copy and invention for alliance use?(or announce that BPC's being stuck will not be dealt with as petitions anymore) as ME/PE work fine and are very useful.... my 6 member corp(2 actual people, 3 alts each) has no use for 12 mobile labs, but to the alliance they are very useful indeed.
FooB2 Caldari Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.06.06 11:37:00 - [32] WOOP WOOP this is great. thread delivers.
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E	Posted - 2007.06.06 11:40:00 - [33] This is actualy an very seriouse isue.. The implement new stuf with out fixing the bugs.. the new stuff keeps on comming in and in they try a bit here an dthere and if it doesntw ork theyll just remove it.. Lets hope the same goes for HEAT.. :) ->My Vids<-
Ray McCormack BIG	Posted - 2007.06.06 11:40:00 - [34] Originally by: kurtz abraham Can't you just remove copy and invention for alliance use? Seems the most sensible option to me (until they are fixed, which they should be). \| All Current Tech II BPO Auctions \| BMBE ISK Loans \|
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.06 11:42:00 - [35] Originally by: Dark Shikari Its not whining to call out the facts. CCP is incompetent. There are dozens of examples all over the place from their method of "fixing" the Blood Raider complexes to their complete inability to fix forum bugs that have been around 4 years and can be traced to a single line of code. I could name dozens and dozens of situations in which CCP chose the easy way out rather than actually fixing the problem (ship logs anyone?!) The problem isn't that they couldn't deal with the problems--it is that they choose not to. They're certainly skilled enough to deal with almost any issue that they've ignored/overlooked. They choose not to because they don't have the resources to fix it right now. That's what the reply said. I think people are just over-simplicating the "easines" of fixing someething and how swamped game developers are. And sometimes leaving things be, or not fixing them, is simply a call you have to make in games. In published, single player shooter games you decide this way before the game hits the shelves. With MMO's, the problem comes with that, you only see how things work after a while and after the 30k players online at 23/7 get their mints on it. Then they just have to go "can't do it" or "that was a bad idea" and remove it. They ARE NOT sitting with their thumbs up their...ahem..thingies while laughing at your complaints. But as soon as they answer with something, be it an answer you don't like, it's "gloves off let's fight you suck" time. And you lot wonder why devs don't answer threads Calling them incompitent and saying they could easily fix it is a bit silly though don't you think? So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
w0rmy M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.06.06 11:45:00 - [36] Originally by: CCP Chronotis sadly, alliance use of mobile labs has been removed in kali 2.0 due to it not working in the first place and fixing it requires huge amounts of programming resources from multiple departments due to the complexity of the mechanics behind it. I know its not the answer you wanted, but additions such as outpost upgrades which allow the possibility of super-lab research stations with lots of slots will ease the demand somewhat created by invention. Perhaps the time invested in programming 'Heat' would have been better spent, fixing stuff thats already in game! Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness. Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
Ray McCormack BIG	Posted - 2007.06.06 11:46:00 - [37] Originally by: Sheriff Jones They choose not to because they don't have the resources to fix it right now. That's what the reply said. I think people are just over-simplicating the "easines" of fixing someething and how swamped game developers are. And sometimes leaving things be, or not fixing them, is simply a call you have to make in games. And that's the crux, they are not 'leaving things be'. They are removing an entire game mechanic because parts of it do not work, instead of simply removing those individual parts that are faulty. \| All Current Tech II BPO Auctions \| BMBE ISK Loans \|
VinceNoir Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.06 11:46:00 - [38] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: CCP Chronotis sadly, alliance use of mobile labs has been removed in kali 2.0 due to it not working in the first place and fixing it requires huge amounts of programming resources from multiple departments due to the complexity of the mechanics behind it. I know its not the answer you wanted, but additions such as outpost upgrades which allow the possibility of super-lab research stations with lots of slots will ease the demand somewhat created by invention. Perhaps the time invested in programming 'Heat' would have been better spent, fixing stuff thats already in game! Oh dear. Originally by: "Shanda Captison" Vince, you can't even spell ECM m8
FooB2 Caldari Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.06.06 11:47:00 - [39] Originally by: Dark Shikari CCP is incompetent. much like your posting?
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.06 11:48:00 - [40] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Sheriff Jones They choose not to because they don't have the resources to fix it right now. That's what the reply said. I think people are just over-simplicating the "easines" of fixing someething and how swamped game developers are. And sometimes leaving things be, or not fixing them, is simply a call you have to make in games. And that's the crux, they are not 'leaving things be'. They are removing an entire game mechanic because parts of it do not work, instead of simply removing those individual parts that are faulty. Yes and that's how game developement works. You sometimes go "Oh dear, that was a mistake, let's take it out 'cause we just can't fix it RIGHT NOW." Just that MMO's are evolving, EVER evolving games, so the bugs come and go, features come and go and it's just how things roll. So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Ray McCormack BIG	Posted - 2007.06.06 11:49:00 - [41] Originally by: w0rmy Perhaps the time invested in programming 'Heat' would have been better spent, fixing stuff thats already in game! That's just rehashing the same argument of 'No new features, bug fixes please'. They do need to constantly implement new features to keep the game dynamic. I think the argument in this case should be why are they removing a useful game mechanic simply because certain parts of it do not work? \| All Current Tech II BPO Auctions \| BMBE ISK Loans \|
VinceNoir Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.06 11:49:00 - [42] Originally by: FooB2 Originally by: Dark Shikari CCP is incompetent. much like your posting? AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA Oh ** son, you got him good. I would not want to be DS right now. Oh man, I'm bookmarking this. Originally by:** "Shanda Captison" Vince, you can't even spell ECM m8
Ray McCormack BIG	Posted - 2007.06.06 11:50:00 - [43] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Yes and that's how game developement works. You sometimes go "Oh dear, that was a mistake, let's take it out 'cause we just can't fix it RIGHT NOW." Just that MMO's are evolving, EVER evolving games, so the bugs come and go, features come and go and it's just how things roll. But it's not a mistake, half of it works extremely well. Why remove the whole thing when you can just remove parts of it? \| All Current Tech II BPO Auctions \| BMBE ISK Loans \|
w0rmy M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.06.06 11:51:00 - [44] Originally by: VinceNoir Originally by: w0rmy Perhaps the time invested in programming 'Heat' would have been better spent, fixing stuff thats already in game! Oh dear. Please expand on your information packed post. Its obvious from Chronotis' post that they do infact know how to fix the problem, however they are unwilling to dedicate the resources to doing so. Instead, the feel the new features like 'Heat' are better spending programming hours on. Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness. Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.06 11:51:00 - [45] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 06/06/2007 11:52:57 Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 06/06/2007 11:52:08 Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 06/06/2007 11:50:35 Originally by: Ray McCormack But it's not a mistake, half of it works extremely well. Why remove the whole thing when you can just remove parts of it? Probably 'cause it's not a "part by part" built thing. They probably have to take it away as a whole, take it apart, modify the code and then put the good parts back in. But since people are so "tolerant" of the shortcomings of features, "half of it works" isn't good enough for these people, i'd take it out completely aswell. If not only to set an example. AND COULD YOU PEOPLE PLEASE!!!...sorry for the caps...understand that the coder doing heat, or the graphic artist doing overheating flashy animations...are NOT the same people who can touch the drone/manufacturing code. Even if they decided to make new ships into the game, doesn't mean the drones would get fixed any faster/slower. Resources in a game company arn't slices of pie that can be shifted around as pleased. So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
w0rmy M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.06.06 11:53:00 - [46] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: w0rmy Perhaps the time invested in programming 'Heat' would have been better spent, fixing stuff thats already in game! That's just rehashing the same argument of 'No new features, bug fixes please'. They do need to constantly implement new features to keep the game dynamic. I think the argument in this case should be why are they removing a useful game mechanic simply because certain parts of it do not work? What use is a feature of it doesnt work? These labs are a major part of gameplay for some people, how would you feel if the solution the bugs in the parts of the game you make use off, werent fixed, instead that game component was completely removed? Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness. Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
VinceNoir Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.06 11:53:00 - [47] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: VinceNoir Originally by: w0rmy Perhaps the time invested in programming 'Heat' would have been better spent, fixing stuff thats already in game! Oh dear. Please expand on your information packed post. Its obvious from Chronotis' post that they do infact know how to fix the problem, however they are unwilling to dedicate the resources to doing so. Instead, the feel the new features like 'Heat' are better spending programming hours on. It just seems like the countless dev post stating they had people working on fixing the lag and other issues and having people developing new features is not taking away from that whatsoever. I'm sure CCP are doing everything they can towards fixing stuff and a few extra people isn't going to make a huge difference. Originally by: "Shanda Captison" Vince, you can't even spell ECM m8
kurtz abraham Mundus Iovialis Safe And Fun Environment	Posted - 2007.06.06 11:55:00 - [48] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 06/06/2007 11:50:35 Originally by: Ray McCormack But it's not a mistake, half of it works extremely well. Why remove the whole thing when you can just remove parts of it? Probably 'cause it's not a "part by part" built thing. They probably have to take it away as a whole, take it apart, modify the code and then put the good parts back in. Same logic could be applied to a lot of features in eve.....
w0rmy M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.06.06 11:58:00 - [49] Edited by: w0rmy on 06/06/2007 11:58:31 Originally by: VinceNoir I'm sure CCP are doing everything they can towards fixing stuff and a few extra people isn't going to make a huge difference. Thats merely your presumption. As far as you are aware, the additional programming Chronotis talks of could be 2 people, hell it could be 1 person. You know as much about whats involved in fixing these things, as the average person wishing for fixes not features. Originally by: Sheriff Jones AND COULD YOU PEOPLE PLEASE!!!...sorry for the caps...understand that the coder doing heat, or the graphic artist doing overheating flashy animations...are NOT the same people who can touch the drone/manufacturing code. You know this how? Or are you just guessing, based on your own assumptions about how eve is assembled? As far as you know, the person working on heat could be the same person capable of fixing these labs. Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness. Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.06 11:59:00 - [50] Originally by: kurtz abraham Same logic could be applied to a lot of features in eve..... YEah, hensh why i said "it's not that easy to fix". Just 'cause i've heard the same words ocme out of other coders mouths when i wanted something fixed for our game. So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Okaii Kiki's Delivery Service	Posted - 2007.06.06 12:00:00 - [51] Originally by: CCP Chronotis sadly, alliance use of mobile labs has been removed in kali 2.0 due to it not working in the first place and fixing it requires huge amounts of programming resources from multiple departments due to the complexity of the mechanics behind it. I know its not the answer you wanted, but additions such as outpost upgrades which allow the possibility of super-lab research stations with lots of slots will ease the demand somewhat created by invention. Kudos for stepping up and clarifying the situation. But seriously wtf? This is a major slap in the face for hi-sec POS owners and industrialist/inventors. Releasing things half done and fixing them later is one thing, but releasing things half done and then abandoning it is poor form. Okaii
VinceNoir Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.06 12:01:00 - [52] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: VinceNoir I'm sure CCP are doing everything they can towards fixing stuff and a few extra people isn't going to make a huge difference. Thats merely your presumption. You're right, I'm only presuming that CCP want to fix their game and make sure the people playing (and paying for) it are having fun based on what devs have actually said. Rather silly of me, I apologize. Originally by: "Shanda Captison" Vince, you can't even spell ECM m8
w0rmy M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.06.06 12:03:00 - [53] Originally by: VinceNoir Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: VinceNoir I'm sure CCP are doing everything they can towards fixing stuff and a few extra people isn't going to make a huge difference. Thats merely your presumption. You're right, I'm only presuming that CCP want to fix their game and make sure the people playing (and paying for) it are having fun based on what devs have actually said. Rather silly of me, I apologize. Read your statement in its entire, especially the second half, then your see what I was referencing. You are presuming that a few extra people wont make a difference, when truth be told, 1 man CAN make a difference. Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness. Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
Herbi Forner Data Research Freedom Corp Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.06 12:06:00 - [54] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 06/06/2007 11:52:57 Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 06/06/2007 11:52:08 Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 06/06/2007 11:50:35 Originally by: Ray McCormack But it's not a mistake, half of it works extremely well. Why remove the whole thing when you can just remove parts of it? Probably 'cause it's not a "part by part" built thing. They probably have to take it away as a whole, take it apart, modify the code and then put the good parts back in. But since people are so "tolerant" of the shortcomings of features, "half of it works" isn't good enough for these people, i'd take it out completely aswell. If not only to set an example. AND COULD YOU PEOPLE PLEASE!!!...sorry for the caps...understand that the coder doing heat, or the graphic artist doing overheating flashy animations...are NOT the same people who can touch the drone/manufacturing code. Even if they decided to make new ships into the game, doesn't mean the drones would get fixed any faster/slower. Resources in a game company arn't slices of pie that can be shifted around as pleased. Would there not b a way to insert some code that said something like "If you click on copy in an Alliance Factory bring up error message saying "This feature is curently unavailable" and stop the attempted copy" This will allow them to keep the working features but remove the non working ones.
Kirith Kodachi Kodachi Enterprises	Posted - 2007.06.06 12:06:00 - [55] Maybe CCP wants to throttle back BPO research and copying that Research Alliances are allowing, and this is the perfect excuse to do so. Perhaps they have some over-arching plan to make researched BPOs less common (or at least maintain their current commonality) and they see alliance-allowed Mobile lab research as a threat to that. More disturbingly, if they are removing alliance shared mobile labs, give up the hope of ever seeing public-available POS lab slots.
Jonas O'Fall	Posted - 2007.06.06 12:06:00 - [56] Bugs before features.
Caligulus Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.06.06 12:06:00 - [57] Edited by: Caligulus on 06/06/2007 12:13:55 Originally by: CCP Chronotis sadly, alliance use of mobile labs has been removed in kali 2.0 due to it not working in the first place and fixing it requires huge amounts of programming resources from multiple departments due to the complexity of the mechanics behind it. I know its not the answer you wanted, but additions such as outpost upgrades which allow the possibility of super-lab research stations with lots of slots will ease the demand somewhat created by invention. ::EDIT:: Now that I'm calm. This is the last time i'll suffer the consequence of Developer stupidity. My opinion might be slightly biased here because of my relation to the game but...you guys REALLY need to stop releasing content until it ******* works. Bugs like this shouldn't be getting through QA. It smacks of sloppy, lazy error proofing skills. Would you trust an architect that failed to properly test and assure that his design can withstand every day elements? Why is it that everytime I read these forums I find another reason to lose faith in the development team of EVE? WTF happened? This game showed such promise.
VinceNoir Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.06 12:08:00 - [58] Originally by: w0rmy You are presuming that a few extra people wont make a difference, when truth be told, 1 man CAN make a difference. Ugh, I'm fairly sure I'm not the only person in the thread telling you that people are in charge of different things at CCP, be it new features, fixing features or making the tea. Having the teaboy sit in the room where they're trying to sort out lag isn't going to speed up fixing the lag. It just means the tea isn't going to get made. I have a feeling that if I put a wind turbine in front of you with a sign behind it saying 'I disagree' you could power most of London. Originally by: "Shanda Captison" Vince, you can't even spell ECM m8
w0rmy M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.06.06 12:11:00 - [59] Originally by: VinceNoir Originally by: w0rmy You are presuming that a few extra people wont make a difference, when truth be told, 1 man CAN make a difference. Ugh, I'm fairly sure I'm not the only person in the thread telling you that people are in charge of different things at CCP, be it new features, fixing features or making the tea. Having the teaboy sit in the room where they're trying to sort out lag isn't going to speed up fixing the lag. It just means the tea isn't going to get made. I have a feeling that if I put a wind turbine in front of you with a sign behind it saying 'I disagree' you could power most of London. Its been pointed out many times that Jim cant do Petes job... However, youre still assuming that no one spending time working on heat, is capable of fixing this issue. But truth be told, you really dont know if thats the case, do you? Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness. Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
Mydrial Jacor Amarr Imperial Tech Imperial Research	Posted - 2007.06.06 12:15:00 - [60] Originally by: CCP Chronotis sadly, alliance use of mobile labs has been removed in kali 2.0 due to it not working in the first place and fixing it requires huge amounts of programming resources from multiple departments due to the complexity of the mechanics behind it. I know its not the answer you wanted, but additions such as outpost upgrades which allow the possibility of super-lab research stations with lots of slots will ease the demand somewhat created by invention. Will those of us who invested a billion isk in creating an alliance just to have access to these mechanics you are now removing get a refund? Imperial Research Services Now Available

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