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Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.06 15:17:00 - [121] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Ricdic oh, and the above post would rock if it were possible some time in the future. Thanks again. Remove all station research slots and have it a purely player run mechanic. Agreed, I kinda always thought this was CCP's intentions, to truly move the game closer to a player run system. This could alleviate not only the lab issues, but the manufacturing ones as well. Obviously this would have been long-term, but I always thought it was the end-goal. Over time, I found this was probably not even considered as the whole mobile lab thing was put into game, and then never touched again (except to fix a bug that allowed labs to work whilst offline)
Da Z Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.06 15:28:00 - [122] Originally by: Laurelle Edited by: Laurelle on 06/06/2007 13:29:16 Actually only the offending feature has been temporarily disabled: Alliance Blueprint Copying Jobs in POS's are no longer available. Other S&I research has not been changed to my knowledge. This is temporary. We will find a way to allow for this feature before long. Does this mean that corp copying is still viable?
Tonitrus Feles	Posted - 2007.06.06 15:33:00 - [123] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Ricdic oh, and the above post would rock if it were possible some time in the future. Thanks again. Remove all station research slots and have it a purely player run mechanic. i dont like that idea, however having the NPC's slots reduced would be good. but it needs to remain as a baseline. yes, I am an alt. I need $15 to post with my main again, brb
Bacteri O	Posted - 2007.06.06 16:57:00 - [124] /me signs the petition
Kazuo Ishiguro	Posted - 2007.06.06 17:17:00 - [125] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 06/06/2007 17:15:53 Originally by: Laurelle This is temporary. We will find a way to allow for this feature before long. Cookies* for the first member of the Dev team to stick their neck out and venture a rough time frame! This issue has been around for longer than most of the current community has been playing, you know. *May contain traces of nuts. ------ Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant tanking
Venatoris LabRat QFK Industries Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.06 17:28:00 - [126] Well I am not even going to comment the initial dev comment; it was way too absurd for commentsà (Hum, I wonder if that classifies has a comment? Better scratch that!) Anyway, I can understand the wish that CCP has to disable the alliance copy function. CCP has made a mistake (other? who cares, itÆs a reasonable mistake) when they deliver invention, copy slots were open everywhere and they forgot that invention relays a lot on copy. Or maybe they didnÆt even expect so many people jumping on the invention trainà What matters is that has a result Copy slots had run out very fast, so eve community adapted has normal. Unfortunately there was a huge bug on the way eve community adapted (i.e. the alliance copy) has a result petitions start raining on already very wet roof (i.e. the petitions systems, just in case you missed the poetic analogy) so CCP need to do something and fast, the bug is too complex to be solved in a quick patch, the petitions canÆt hold hundredths of more petitions, so we shut down the alliance copy. For me, that makes sense ONLY if some other factors are taken into account: Invention relies heavily on copy, invention IS VERY IMPORTANT since CCP wants to get rid of the T2 lottery (btw, those BPOs should be running out by now, right?) so invention needs to be kept going, the first idea that comes to mind is to fix the bug quickly, but has we have already been told itÆs a complex one (and I personally agree) and we all know that CCP is now focused on Revelations 2.0 and I am sure devÆs are already working overtime, and they do need those 2 hours sleep at night (at least to digest the beer :) ). Ok, so a quick fix is out whatÆs left? I personally only see one solution (other than serious jeopardizing the Invention train) and that is TEMPORARY increase the NPC COPY slots. I repeat the key words TEMPORARY and COPY SLOTS. Eve community has realign itself for the shortage of ME slots, no need to mess that, copy slots should have also follow that, so that makes it only copy slots and only temporary while the bug is fixed after Rev 2.0. I believe that if CCP simply shuts down copy it will serious impair the invention progression. If increasing the NPC copy slots is not an option, they I believe CCP should look for another way to solve the problem WITHOUT closing the copy procedure. Has a suggestion they could streamline the petitions for that problem, maybe putting a dedicated queue for that. But I am sure that if some heads get together lots of better solutions would come to mind. Vena
Clone 984 Condottieri Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.06 17:29:00 - [127] My corporation only really uses the copy jobs, so PLEASE get this sorted /me will throw in some cake to go with the cookies if a dev gives a time frame other than soonÖ
Quadria Gallente Freelancers Inc. United Manufacturing and Technology Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:09:00 - [128] /signed Can they also check the assembly arrays aswell would be a nice option that the alliance can provide manufacturing slots to the corperations that build a bit faster. Visit our Webshop ingame to order. now recruiting Take a look at our IPO
Arushia Nova Labs Empire Research	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:39:00 - [129] Originally by: Quadria /signed Can they also check the assembly arrays aswell would be a nice option that the alliance can provide manufacturing slots to the corperations that build a bit faster. Would be nie if every manufacturing/assembly array in the game had an "alliance storage" in addition to corp storage that any alliance member could use to run jobs if the owning corp opened it and the forcefield up to alliance. Tired of Waiting? Use Empire Research
Alvara Kuiper Belt Industries Empire Research	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:48:00 - [130] So the 1.3 bil I spent last night to put up another large POS and 11 more labs, specifically to give my alliance more Copy slots is nerfed? CCP fix your bloody game, I could write a page worth of bugs that have been in the game since I started. and another page of features that weren't fully implemented since I started. Geez. POS labs are nearly 2 years old, and they were promised to work the way we want them to work, 2 years ago. Finally I am a full time software developer, if I submitted half finished features like you appear to do, I would have long since been demoted or fired. Tired of Waiting? Use Empire Research

Erfnam Time Cube Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.06 19:56:00 - [131] It's good that CCP will not completely amputate alliance research. That would have added an "end game" for quite a few people. Sales: Capital Ships \| Covetors Delivered - Bulk/Package/BYOM
Dark Thunder	Posted - 2007.06.06 20:33:00 - [132] Ahh the good old 'Feature and Investigation'. Thanks for the clarification. Want to find out more? CCP Termanology
Clone 984 Condottieri Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.07 09:20:00 - [133] So what will happen to all copy jobs that cross over the next patch ? when is next patch ? when is fix for this issue ?
Alewin Venus Research Initiative Empire Research	Posted - 2007.06.07 18:54:00 - [134] I, for one, would be happy to provide alliance manufacturing slots if NPC slots were reduced significantly. At this point, its rare that there aren't 10-15 free build slots minimum at my NPC HQ, so it really doesn't make sense for me to offer this service currently. At any rate, I'm glad I didn't see this thread until after the last dev replies. I would have been among the many very upset posters. For the record: ME and PE research works fine Copying works, but the produced BPC gets stuck. The BPO is fine - no problems accessing it. I may only run 1 of the Empire Research towers right now, but it does make good money, and with another month like last month, I may be launching a second tower soon to keep up with demand. Had this been a nerf as it initially appeared, I would have adapted, but it doesn't mean I would have been happy about it, and it would have been bad for my shareholders as well. Alewin - VNRI Tired of Waiting? Use Empire Research
Baiser noir Elite D.I.S Organisation	Posted - 2007.06.07 23:55:00 - [135] So, ... trying to understand correctly. A business model has been defined, even though to get it working, petitions were needed for each copy job. Let us talk about spamming and denial of petition services ? This, while with alts and co, BPOs could be locked and researched in POSs within corps through the use of corp hangars, for example.
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.08 00:22:00 - [136] Originally by: Baiser noir So, ... trying to understand correctly. A business model has been defined, even though to get it working, petitions were needed for each copy job. Let us talk about spamming and denial of petition services ? This, while with alts and co, BPOs could be locked and researched in POSs within corps through the use of corp hangars, for example. Actually the business model was defined by CCP, implemented and proclaimed working. THEN we found out about the broken Copy process. Prior to these changes an Alliance didn't have access to the POS in any situation, making it harder to utilize the resources available since not everyone can make additional alts to run research jobs and might be needed in other areas of the Alliance's organization. Temporary removal of the offending section of code is perfectly acceptable, and better than having to constantly spam the petition que. But if CCP does intent on POSs taking up the slack in Empire this will need to be fixed someday. <-----------> Factional Warfare: The LowSec wars which never happened.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.08 14:42:00 - [137] Edited by: Ricdic on 08/06/2007 14:41:02 Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby Temporary removal of the offending section of code is perfectly acceptable, and better than having to constantly spam the petition que. But if CCP does intent on POSs taking up the slack in Empire this will need to be fixed someday. I agree completely with this post. If it's not working, either remove the broken parts, or fix them. This seems to be the route they have taken, so I just hope it is not one of those things that will never again be revisited. I hope this thread alone has shown CCP that there is demand for these services, it isn't just one or two people affected by them. My alliance alone has over 190 pure researchers in it.
Clone 984 Condottieri Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.11 16:50:00 - [138] bump and FIX THIS NOW NOT soon
LoriJen	Posted - 2007.06.11 20:12:00 - [139] Fix the copy jobs. That is all. * Make the game balanced and fair
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.11 21:28:00 - [140] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Ricdic oh, and the above post would rock if it were possible some time in the future. Thanks again. Remove all station research slots and have it a purely player run mechanic. Like there are so much corporation with a 5+ standing with some empire. Or you like so much the 1 man corps?

Clone 984 Condottieri Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.13 10:40:00 - [141] awaiting news sometime soonÖ
John Grimm The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.06.13 14:10:00 - [142] Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Ricdic oh, and the above post would rock if it were possible some time in the future. Thanks again. Remove all station research slots and have it a purely player run mechanic. Like there are so much corporation with a 5+ standing with some empire. Or you like so much the 1 man corps? He's idea is not so bad, but i foresee a few Problems/Questions: 1. What about the Noobs? Where will they research? 2. Are you thinking of putting POS Labs for Public use at the discretion of the owner? 3. Maybe CCP can be moved to change the mechanism so Players with standing can put up POSes, and not Corps. 4.If this be the case then Labs slots need to be a bit evened out 3/3/3/3 or if R&D pases in Player hands only we'll need an increase to maybe 5/5/5/5. Thoughts / Answers to this anyone? Originally by: Rawne Karrde PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login. If you don't like it you're in the wrong game.
Kazuo Ishiguro	Posted - 2007.06.13 14:28:00 - [143] Originally by: John Grimm He's idea is not so bad, but i foresee a few Problems/Questions: 1. What about the Noobs? Where will they research? 2. Are you thinking of putting POS Labs for Public use at the discretion of the owner? 3. Maybe CCP can be moved to change the mechanism so Players with standing can put up POSes, and not Corps. 4.If this be the case then Labs slots need to be a bit evened out 3/3/3/3 or if R&D pases in Player hands only we'll need an increase to maybe 5/5/5/5. Thoughts / Answers to this anyone? 1. Not really relevant - newer players seldom need to do any research. Of course, they could just create an alt and put it in a research alliance. 2. They can already be set to be 'Publicly Available', but in practice they only work for alliance members. 3. It is unlikely that a lone player would bother to run a POS solely for their own use. The amount of work involved is considerable. 4. The slots need balancing even with the current system, but it's really just the copy slots that people need more of. ------ Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant tanking
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.13 14:40:00 - [144] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Originally by: John Grimm He's idea is not so bad, but i foresee a few Problems/Questions: 1. What about the Noobs? Where will they research? 2. Are you thinking of putting POS Labs for Public use at the discretion of the owner? 3. Maybe CCP can be moved to change the mechanism so Players with standing can put up POSes, and not Corps. 4.If this be the case then Labs slots need to be a bit evened out 3/3/3/3 or if R&D pases in Player hands only we'll need an increase to maybe 5/5/5/5. Thoughts / Answers to this anyone? 1. Not really relevant - newer players seldom need to do any research. Of course, they could just create an alt and put it in a research alliance. 2. They can already be set to be 'Publicly Available', but in practice they only work for alliance members. 3. It is unlikely that a lone player would bother to run a POS solely for their own use. The amount of work involved is considerable. 4. The slots need balancing even with the current system, but it's really just the copy slots that people need more of. 1. extremly relevant, I have started doing material efficency research after less than a mont (small hybrid ammo); 2. don't work, so they can't be made available; 3. then I am unlikely, I am running a small POS, and I am the only one working on it; 4. true if the NPC run slot are awailable, if the are deleted we will need an increase in all slots. Per se the suggestion isn't so bad, but need some work, and CCP need to wotk heavily on the research system to make it work.
Jesters Knight Eclipse Enterprises Empire Research	Posted - 2007.06.15 13:57:00 - [145] Revelation 2 notes States: BPC's are now retrievable if you made them at a starbase owned by another member of your alliance. so does this mean that they are not being disabled? Highsec POS's Skip the wait and research in the fast lane Click link for more information
Kazuo Ishiguro	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:33:00 - [146] Also, this entry is quite intrguing: Quote: Fixed an issue with lab slots in mobile laboratories that had added restrictions to them would not be displayed in the installations tab. Will we be able to make our labs available to non-alliance members? ------ Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant tanking

CCP Chronotis	Posted - 2007.06.15 15:00:00 - [147] Originally by: Jesters Knight Revelation 2 notes States: BPC's are now retrievable if you made them at a starbase owned by another member of your alliance. so does this mean that they are not being disabled? Alliance use of pos copy slots is still disabled for Revelations 2.0. We will get the patch notes corrected asap.

Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.15 15:27:00 - [148] Originally by: CCP Chronotis Originally by: Jesters Knight Revelation 2 notes States: BPC's are now retrievable if you made them at a starbase owned by another member of your alliance. so does this mean that they are not being disabled? Alliance use of pos copy slots is still disabled for Revelations 2.0. We will get the patch notes corrected asap. Weak Indian Giver Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Jesters Knight Eclipse Enterprises Empire Research	Posted - 2007.06.15 15:36:00 - [149] Originally by: CCP Chronotis Originally by: Jesters Knight Revelation 2 notes States: BPC's are now retrievable if you made them at a starbase owned by another member of your alliance. so does this mean that they are not being disabled? Alliance use of pos copy slots is still disabled for Revelations 2.0. We will get the patch notes corrected asap. Ok, I really hate to be mean but youÆre quickly becoming my least favorite person hereà. Ricdic and his competition I can deal with, but this ôyea we going to give it to you and then take it awayö thing is some bull. And after your first post in the thread IÆm going to wait until someone who I know knows whatÆs going on states what is up. Highsec POS's Skip the wait and research in the fast lane Click link for more information
Clone 984 Condottieri Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:35:00 - [150] /me looks through his MSN list to see if he can get through to someone to get it sorted



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