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Laurelle	Posted - 2007.06.06 13:30:00 - [91] Edited by: Laurelle on 06/06/2007 13:29:16 Actually only the offending feature has been temporarily disabled: Alliance Blueprint Copying Jobs in POS's are no longer available. Other S&I research has not been changed to my knowledge. This is temporary. We will find a way to allow for this feature before long.

DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.06.06 13:31:00 - [92] Edited by: DarkMatter on 06/06/2007 13:30:39 Originally by: Ifni Removing a system this extensive has to be a temporary measure. I can't see CCP removing it permanently since it is aggravataing a great number of players, as can be seen by the heated responses in this thread. So just hold your horses, and quit the complaints. Hold this... Building the homestead
Feronia Gallente Magma Industries	Posted - 2007.06.06 13:32:00 - [93] I can understand why you would (temporary ??) disable the not-working part of alliance research: being copying and invention. But the decision to remove the complete alliance research, including the part that does work perfectly and is used by a lot of people: being ME and PE research, is a step too far and will hopefully be reconsidered.
Damon Ra Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.06 13:36:00 - [94] Originally by: CCP Chronotis sadly, alliance use of mobile labs has been removed in kali 2.0 due to it not working in the first place and fixing it requires huge amounts of programming resources from multiple departments due to the complexity of the mechanics behind it. I know its not the answer you wanted, but additions such as outpost upgrades which allow the possibility of super-lab research stations with lots of slots will ease the demand somewhat created by invention. This is exactly the kind of foresight and pro-active approach from CCP that makes me glad I don't pay real life cash to play this game anymore. Who wants to pay real money to play something that always seems to be in beta? It also points out how out of touch the devs seem to be in regard to what people are actually doing in-game. Great! Outposts are getting a buff! Not a lot of alliances have outposts FYI. Current Tranquility status: SELECT production_code FROM SISI WHERE testers = 'players' AND testers <> 'ccp_staff' AND testing_duration <> 'sufficient';
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.06 13:37:00 - [95] Originally by: Laurelle Actually only the offending feature has been temporarily disabled: Alliance Blueprint Copying Jobs in POS's are no longer available. Other S&I research has not been changed to my knowledge. This is temporary. We will find a way to allow for this feature before long. That was a fast turnaround... thanks! --23 Member--
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.06.06 13:39:00 - [96] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Laurelle Actually only the offending feature has been temporarily disabled: Alliance Blueprint Copying Jobs in POS's are no longer available. Other S&I research has not been changed to my knowledge. This is temporary. We will find a way to allow for this feature before long. That was a fast turnaround... thanks! She did say "to my knowledge"... Building the homestead
Talkie Toaster Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.06 13:42:00 - [97] Originally by: Laurelle Edited by: Laurelle on 06/06/2007 13:29:16 Actually only the offending feature has been temporarily disabled: Alliance Blueprint Copying Jobs in POS's are no longer available. Other S&I research has not been changed to my knowledge. This is temporary. We will find a way to allow for this feature before long. no offence, but can you double check that and get the first post edited or something. the rate this is going we'll be at 10 pages and no one will see your one post pointing out quite an important point. if you are right then its no biggie. if in fact all alliance use of POS has gone out the window then are you going to pay the costs of those research corps that were set up to offer more research slots that were so badly needed.
Hugh Ruka Caldari Free Traders	Posted - 2007.06.06 13:43:00 - [98] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 06/06/2007 13:24:23 Originally by: Nyphur If that doesn't explain it well enough, I don't know what will. Yeah it explains it, alot better then the usual answer morons give on these forums. (Yes i have zero tolerance for girly "if you don't know, i'm not telling " answers about issues.) Thanks for the explanation, and now that i hear how it works, i can say this: If it's a legit alliance, you could transfer the BP's secure, if you trust Ricdic. If you don't trust him, then you wouldn't have given the cash to start this in the first place. He could all well run with the earned cash he has now. I'm just saying that there are CERTAINLY options to this. It's not the end of the world, even if it makes things a bit harder. Also personally i don't like alliances being formed just because of this, i'm no PVP enthusiast, nor a trader, or a miner, or a reasearcher. I do all sorts of stuff. But it just seems a bit...wrong for alliances just to be up to do research. Soemthing irks the wrong way. Probably 'cause it's a forming of an alliance for no real reason. This just means, with the added POS updates, that you have to find an corporation who has a pos and who will research your BP's and who you DO trust. Which is kinda what this game is about. This sort of "no need for trust" thing isn't what i call..well...stuff And like i said, i bet it's temporary. So you can manage a few months without it. Just like i could manage a few months without lasers ingame, or projectiles, or drones, or whatever people think would effect my game so heavily. nice you understood at least a part. now get your research hat on and look at what it takes to set up an outpost (to get the research upgrades mentioned) as the mobile labs, that are affected by this change, are the ONLY research option on regular POSes. please note that these upgrades are tied to sovereignity. also this is a problem in EMPIRE with too few slots. and there is no other option (you cannot setup an outpost in empire). So basicaly a feature is disabled that presents the one and only solution to a very critical problem. I hope I was civil enough and did not insult your intelligence too much. And now to scream my heart out: Hey CCP, now you want to make this bug riden and lag riden game have 300k subscribers ? While you cannot find the resources to fix this kind of critical bug ? GL&HF ... Originally by: JP Beauregard The experience with Exodus playtesting has scarred me for life. Those were bug-reports, not feature requests, you numbskulls....

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.06.06 13:43:00 - [99] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Laurelle Actually only the offending feature has been temporarily disabled: Alliance Blueprint Copying Jobs in POS's are no longer available. Other S&I research has not been changed to my knowledge. This is temporary. We will find a way to allow for this feature before long. That was a fast turnaround... thanks! True, but we all know everyone just reads the first page and then reacts to that, considering that post was on page 4 we'll see a lot of people complaining for a few more pages... Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Tonitrus Feles	Posted - 2007.06.06 13:44:00 - [100] Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Laurelle Actually only the offending feature has been temporarily disabled: Alliance Blueprint Copying Jobs in POS's are no longer available. Other S&I research has not been changed to my knowledge. This is temporary. We will find a way to allow for this feature before long. That was a fast turnaround... thanks! She did say "to my knowledge"... unfortunatly I agree with Dark Matter There have been to manny times that "to my knowledge" has simply been used to quell some uprising. however it seems to make sence about this part. and i would honestly love to trade copy slots for true public ME and PE slots. it would seem that the cloak and dagger war between GM's and DEV's has finally spilled out into the player arena.

Tonitrus Feles	Posted - 2007.06.06 13:46:00 - [101] Edited by: Tonitrus Feles on 06/06/2007 13:46:14 Edited by: Tonitrus Feles on 06/06/2007 13:44:54 Originally by: CCP Wrangler ... Thanks for the reply Wrangler EDIT And does that mean that you are saying that that is the only feature being disabled? also is there any word on when ME/PE will go "public"? W
Dimitri Forgroth Infortunatus Eventus Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.06.06 13:53:00 - [102] Edited by: Dimitri Forgroth on 06/06/2007 13:52:27 -- beep -- anyone notice these forums sometimes fail to show page links? Quick Capacitor Calculator
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.06.06 13:54:00 - [103] Originally by: Laurelle Edited by: Laurelle on 06/06/2007 13:29:16 Actually only the offending feature has been temporarily disabled: Alliance Blueprint Copying Jobs in POS's are no longer available. Other S&I research has not been changed to my knowledge. This is temporary. We will find a way to allow for this feature before long. Perfect. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Talkie Toaster Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.06 13:56:00 - [104] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Laurelle Actually only the offending feature has been temporarily disabled: Alliance Blueprint Copying Jobs in POS's are no longer available. Other S&I research has not been changed to my knowledge. This is temporary. We will find a way to allow for this feature before long. That was a fast turnaround... thanks! True, but we all know everyone just reads the first page and then reacts to that, considering that post was on page 4 we'll see a lot of people complaining for a few more pages... then edit the first dev post or the OP so that people can see whats happeneing. you know yourself that people will instapost to the OP without reading anything else into to but instead of covering the floor in water to stop the flame you whip out the straw and petrol and sit back to get toasty.
hinch Gallente Furious Angels Requiem-Aeternam	Posted - 2007.06.06 13:59:00 - [105] excuse me for being slow but whats the actual problem? or more to the point what causes the problem the executor corp of our alliance has setup a pos with 3 mobile labs available for me as a different corp in the alliance. for the past month i've been using every single slot in those labs (remotely too bpo's in a station not in the pos) and have never had a single bpo stick or vanish it works just fine. so can someone explain to me in a little better detail than the op what causes the problem? Fiery the Angels rose, & as they rose deep thunder roll'd Around their shores

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.06.06 14:03:00 - [106] Actually, I need to check into just what it will be... Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.06 14:05:00 - [107] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Laurelle Actually only the offending feature has been temporarily disabled: Alliance Blueprint Copying Jobs in POS's are no longer available. Other S&I research has not been changed to my knowledge. This is temporary. We will find a way to allow for this feature before long. That was a fast turnaround... thanks! True, but we all know everyone just reads the first page and then reacts to that, considering that post was on page 4 we'll see a lot of people complaining for a few more pages... Yup. --23 Member--
Tonitrus Feles	Posted - 2007.06.06 14:06:00 - [108] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Actually, I need to check into just what it will be... pwnd yes, I am an alt. I need $15 to post with my main again, brb

CCP Chronotis	Posted - 2007.06.06 14:17:00 - [109] Agreed and apologies everyone, I edited the original reply to clarify, sorry for the few hours of alarm!

Ray McCormack BIG	Posted - 2007.06.06 14:19:00 - [110] Thanks for the update and a couple hours of amusing banter. \| All Current Tech II BPO Auctions \| BMBE ISK Loans \|

Jaedar Metron I G N O T U S	Posted - 2007.06.06 14:20:00 - [111] Originally by: CCP Chronotis Agreed and apologies everyone, I edited the original reply to clarify, sorry for the few hours of alarm! Edited your first reply? You need to clean the entire topic! Thats right, I DEMAND that chronotis is to be punished! I know, I fail at photoshopping :P
Dukana Uk'knock Minmatar Venus Research Initiative Empire Research	Posted - 2007.06.06 14:21:00 - [112] Edited by: Dukana Uk''knock on 06/06/2007 14:20:47 Originally by: Nyphur You don't seem to understand. I'll give you an example organisation that is destroyed by this change. Ricdic runs a public research alliance. Corps join his alliance in order to gain access to his POS labs. They keep their blueprints in their own corp hangers but use his labs as they see fit. They can't do it individually as that doesn't work, they can't simply hand over the blueprint as that isn't secure and they can't just join his corp as that isn't secure either. The way things work now is perfect, except that copy and invention slots on his labs do not work for his alliance's corporations. There is no alternative secure way of using POS without setting them up yourself, which most people can't do in high sec due to not having the standings required. Ricdic's corporation is publicly owned. He released an IPO in which billions of isk was invested by random people to set up this alliance of his. Each month, he pays out a dividend based on the isk collected by the use of the labs. His investors expect good isk returns, and that requires that the labs be used to their fullest. It's a good business. If this change comes in, Ricdic's business ceases to function overnight. He will have to liquidate his entire business and somehow sort out reimbursement for investors. What is being said in this thread is that the eve developers should have considered that alliances like this, which are fairly common now, make heavy use of this game mechanic even if it is bugged with regard copy and invention slots. This change will literally make several alliances redundant and put several large and successful corps out of business for no good reason. If that doesn't explain it well enough, I don't know what will. Riddic isn't the only one either. Empire Research has over 25 large POSs flying, in most regoins of High Sec, providing this public service. We have provided cost and time effective research slots for hundreds of corps and individuals. ME and PE slots work fine, it is only the copy slots that are borked. You might not think that important, but I know of at least 36 lab slots that are under a contract for copy runs for the next several MONTHS. Our ME slots are mostly full also, running jobs for people we don't even know except for the "Hey! Thanks for letting us use your POS" mesages we get almost daily. This is a valuable service that is not handled by the NPC portion of EvE. Several individuals and corporations have stepped up to help the EvE community handle thier in game needs and to have such a statement completely blows my mind. As for "Outpost" modules, who cares? With 75% or so of the population living in HighSec it makes no difference at all since we can't fly an outpost in HighSec. Originally by: Laurelle Actually only the offending feature has been temporarily disabled: Alliance Blueprint Copying Jobs in POS's are no longer available. Other S&I research has not been changed to my knowledge. This is temporary. We will find a way to allow for this feature before long. Thank you for that update. I can understand difficulties, I can't understand removing functional features that are heavily used like the original post hinted.
Shirana L'linak Amarr Pheonix merc's	Posted - 2007.06.06 14:26:00 - [113] Edited by: Shirana L''linak on 06/06/2007 14:25:41 Heh. Industies owned
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.06 14:32:00 - [114] Originally by: Hugh Ruka I hope I was civil enough and did not insult your intelligence too much. Oh quite civil indeed, and there's little intelligence to insult I'm the first one to admit that i'm no researcher, and know little of how it works, just was giving my two cents of "possible" temporaary fixes to the problem. But, as always, this outcry of "stop the nirf" wasn't even needed Like i said, chill and sit back, and it was fixed in hours So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Ray McCormack BIG	Posted - 2007.06.06 14:36:00 - [115] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Like i said, chill and sit back, and it was fixed in hours No you didn't. Get off your high horse you smug bugger. \| All Current Tech II BPO Auctions \| BMBE ISK Loans \|
Dukana Uk'knock Minmatar Venus Research Initiative Empire Research	Posted - 2007.06.06 14:47:00 - [116] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Oh quite civil indeed, and there's little intelligence to insult I'm the first one to admit that i'm no researcher, and know little of how it works, just was giving my two cents of "possible" temporaary fixes to the problem. But, as always, this outcry of "stop the nirf" wasn't even needed Like i said, chill and sit back, and it was fixed in hours You're right, the outcry maybe wasn't needed. But we didn't know that 15 minutes ago Since you say you aren't into this sort of thing let me give you a quick background.... ME slots are very hard to find in Empire space. Normal wait in most regions is 30+ days, just to get your job started. Copy slots run 15+ days, on average. Simply the NPC system is taxed out. Yes, there are normally slots available in LowSec and NPC stations in 0.0, but most industrialists aren't interested in carting billions of ISK worth of fragile BPOs through dangerous territory. Hence Empire-based POSs. Now they are not easy to fly, the Corp deploying it has to have at least a 5.0 standing with the faction that controls the space to deploy in a .5 system. 6.0 in a .6 system, etc. Corp standings is derived from all the players in the Corp, so if you have 2 members with 6.0 standings and one with a 1.0 standing, you can't deploy even in a .5 system. Once you have the standings it costs roughly 1 billion ISK to fly a large tower and 6 labs, including defenses. No, defenses are "required" due to bugs in HighSec POSs, but those bugs WILL be fixed eventually so we deploy them anyways. In addition it takes approximately 220M a month in fuel to keep that POS online, and since it holds about a week's worth of fuel, someone has to constantly babysit it. Alliances like the OP's and Empire Research allow corporations to move in and out of them almost at will, giving those corporations access to the POS research slots and easing the load on the NPC stations. Our prices aren't appreciably higher than doing the same job in an NPC staion, the wait times are at most a couple of days instead of over a month. We aren't making "big bucks" on this venture, we are making a comfortable living after expenses plus providing a valuable service to the community that is as easy to use as a NPC POS. There is a sizeable investment to get all this setup, most of us haven't made a return profit yet or are just at the break even point. Hence the reason we were so upset about the Dev response

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.06.06 14:56:00 - [117] Well, I'm glad that was sorted then. Less work for me... Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Tonitrus Feles	Posted - 2007.06.06 15:03:00 - [118] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Well, I'm glad that was sorted then. Less work for me... any comment on when PE / ME slots from labs will go public? the only reason i can see not doing it is that copy / invention couldnt go due to bugs. however since you are seperating those out while your there could you make the ME/PE truly public? we would love you long time. (and by we I mean just about the whole EVE community, because that is something that will effect EVERY active player, even if they dont realize it.) <3 for the DEV's yes, I am an alt. I need $15 to post with my main again, brb
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.06.06 15:03:00 - [119] Edited by: Ricdic on 06/06/2007 15:04:05 A lot has happened since I left the office and sat on the train. Thanks to CCP for clearing this up. I can accept the alliance disabling of copy slots whilst they are scheduled to be fixed. If anything, my initial post was to try and attempt to shed light on this bug, and the issues resulting it. This has worked perfectly (well, almost too perfectly thanks to the big scare on dev response 1). But either way, this post has shown the importance of these services to the public, and that there aren't just 1 or 2 small pos's around, there are 10's of billions of isk in play. Hell, I run 7 towers alone, Empire Research run 25 in their group. Now that the dust is beginning to settle, I guess it can't hurt to ask. What are the chances of CCP throwing in a sweetener whilst this problem is being fixed, and re-align the mobile laboratories so they allow an even 3/3/3/3 spread between their purposes. Currently we have 3 me, 3 pl, 5 invention and 1 copy per mobile lab. Looking to have 3 copy slots available. Can't hurt to ask, seeing as it can't be done by alliance any more, I might be able to organise something if we have more copy slots (that of course cannot be used by alliance at this point) oh, and the above post would rock if it were possible some time in the future. Thanks again. edit: Damn, now I have to change my sig back
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.06 15:17:00 - [120] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Sheriff Jones Like i said, chill and sit back, and it was fixed in hours No you didn't. Get off your high horse you smug bugger. Well ok, i said "sit back and take a breath", but it was solved in hours still. Calm down, it's not THAT serious. Originally by: Dukana Uk'knock You're right, the outcry maybe wasn't needed. But we didn't know that 15 minutes ago Since you say you aren't into this sort of thing let me give you a quick background.... Yeah, i understand the outcry, just always good to wait for a bit of response, since it was obvious devs were answering since page 1. I'm not TOO much into it, but i got the jist from the last explanation. This cleared the "need for outcry" more. Glad to see some people still take the time to explain instead of saying "Go away you smell of wee!" So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.



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