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Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.06 15:19:00 - [1] Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 06/06/2007 15:18:33 for a history buff like me significant. D-day Originally by: Jiekon/CCP If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine.
Terra Mauter Sybrite Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.06 15:21:00 - [2] I dont like the version of the song :( Bob Dylan is better (or the original Bob Dylan if its edited version)
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.06 15:22:00 - [3] Originally by: Terra Mauter I dont like the version of the song :( Bob Dylan is better (or the original Bob Dylan if its edited version) I agree with you..Bob is better and like the movie or whih it was made also...but it carries the message Originally by: Jiekon/CCP If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine.
Terra Mauter Sybrite Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.06 15:22:00 - [4] Edited by: Terra Mauter on 06/06/2007 15:21:32 Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich Originally by: Terra Mauter I dont like the version of the song :( Bob Dylan is better (or the original Bob Dylan if its edited version) I agree with you..Bob is better and like the movie or whih it was made also...but it carries the message Yea, I agree
Drizit Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:38:00 - [5] The fact that it was D Day generated absolutely no response. Typical youngsters are more interested in who sang the f*****g song. --
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:47:00 - [6] D-Day may have been the largest invasion in history, but it was very poorly conceived. More people died than needed to, especially on the Canadian beaches. If the Allied High Command pushed through Italy instead of Normandy, they'd have reached Berlin sooner, overstepped alot of the fortifications and ended the war sooner.
Drizit Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.06 19:22:00 - [7] Originally by: Derovius Vaden D-Day may have been the largest invasion in history, but it was very poorly conceived. More people died than needed to, especially on the Canadian beaches. If the Allied High Command pushed through Italy instead of Normandy, they'd have reached Berlin sooner, overstepped alot of the fortifications and ended the war sooner. Hindsight is a powerful thing. You may just as well say if someone had shot ****** in the head in 1935, the war would never have even started. --
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.06 19:25:00 - [8] Originally by: Drizit Originally by: Derovius Vaden D-Day may have been the largest invasion in history, but it was very poorly conceived. More people died than needed to, especially on the Canadian beaches. If the Allied High Command pushed through Italy instead of Normandy, they'd have reached Berlin sooner, overstepped alot of the fortifications and ended the war sooner. Hindsight is a powerful thing. You may just as well say if someone had shot **** in the head in 1935, the war would never have even started. The death of ** wouldn't have stopped anything, it would have only put an even crazier party member into power. I think I read the successors to **** were either Goering or Himmler, and neither were poster boys...
RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.06.06 19:36:00 - [9] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Drizit Originally by: Derovius Vaden D-Day may have been the largest invasion in history, but it was very poorly conceived. More people died than needed to, especially on the Canadian beaches. If the Allied High Command pushed through Italy instead of Normandy, they'd have reached Berlin sooner, overstepped alot of the fortifications and ended the war sooner. Hindsight is a powerful thing. You may just as well say if someone had shot **** in the head in 1935, the war would never have even started. The death of ** wouldn't have stopped anything, it would have only put an even crazier party member into power. I think I read the successors to **** were either Goering or Himmler, and neither were poster boys... You shouldn't underestimate the power of one single individual. And be careful what you say because I can easily twist it around to make it sound like that you like Bush.
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.06.06 19:48:00 - [10] Edited by: DarkMatter on 06/06/2007 19:47:22 Originally by: RedFall Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Drizit Originally by: Derovius Vaden D-Day may have been the largest invasion in history, but it was very poorly conceived. More people died than needed to, especially on the Canadian beaches. If the Allied High Command pushed through Italy instead of Normandy, they'd have reached Berlin sooner, overstepped alot of the fortifications and ended the war sooner. Hindsight is a powerful thing. You may just as well say if someone had shot **** in the head in 1935, the war would never have even started. The death of ** wouldn't have stopped anything, it would have only put an even crazier party member into power. I think I read the successors to **** were either Goering or Himmler, and neither were poster boys... You shouldn't underestimate the power of one single individual. And be careful what you say because I can easily twist it around to make it sound like that you like Bush. What the hell does Bush have to do with D-Day... Some of you people The people who live their lives in hindsight don't have any balls and never accomplish anything, get over yourselves... And I DO like Bush, over Kerry and that idiot Gore... As that's all we had to choose from... Building the homestead

RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.06.06 20:03:00 - [11] Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 06/06/2007 19:47:22 Originally by: RedFall Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Drizit Originally by: Derovius Vaden D-Day may have been the largest invasion in history, but it was very poorly conceived. More people died than needed to, especially on the Canadian beaches. If the Allied High Command pushed through Italy instead of Normandy, they'd have reached Berlin sooner, overstepped alot of the fortifications and ended the war sooner. Hindsight is a powerful thing. You may just as well say if someone had shot **** in the head in 1935, the war would never have even started. The death of ** wouldn't have stopped anything, it would have only put an even crazier party member into power. I think I read the successors to ** were either Goering or Himmler, and neither were poster boys... You shouldn't underestimate the power of one single individual. And be careful what you say because I can easily twist it around to make it sound like that you like Bush. What the hell does Bush have to do with D-Day... Some of you people The people who live their lives in hindsight don't have any balls and never accomplish anything, get over yourselves... And I DO like Bush, over Kerry and that idiot Gore... As that's all we had to choose from... Firstly: What do YOU** have to do with this conversation? Some people . Secondly: Old Derovius is Canadian from Canadia and I ventured a guess that he doesn't like Bush. Thirdly: There are other choices.
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.06.06 20:12:00 - [12] Quote: Firstly: What do YOU have to do with this conversation? Some people . Taking exception to words spoken by an asshat such as yourself. I just knew this thread would turn into this when I saw it pop up hours ago. Any ***** time the US military enters a forum thread, this happens... Someone ***es about the Evil US president that 62+ million voted for, and off to the races we go... Building the homestead
RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.06.06 20:25:00 - [13] Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: Firstly: What do YOU have to do with this conversation? Some people . Taking exception to words spoken by an asshat such as yourself. I just knew this thread would turn into this when I saw it pop up hours ago. Any ***** time the US military enters a forum thread, this happens... Someone ***es about the Evil US president that 62+ million voted for, and off to the races we go... Asshat? Moi? You are the one who always brings your politics into every thread. And smart guy, I've never said anything political or anti-bush, I was making an analogy, not a godwin. No amount of eye-rolling smilies you put in your posts will excuse you from being a douche bag.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:28:00 - [14] Quote: Old Derovius is Canadian from Canadia and I ventured a guess that he doesn't like Bush. Nothing but net. And while you two ladies are fighting over President Chimp, I'm taking your Isks.
RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:34:00 - [15] Edited by: RedFall on 06/06/2007 21:33:34 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Quote: Old Derovius is Canadian from Canadia and I ventured a guess that he doesn't like Bush. Nothing but net. And while you two ladies are fighting over President Chimp, I'm taking your Isks. Well at least our milk doesn't come in bags.
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:38:00 - [16] I went to my sister "its D-day today" she replied "whats D-Day" nuff said. -------------------------------------------- Stay away from my signature all of ya!!! IM WARNING YOU!! PEW PEW PEW PEW!
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:54:00 - [17] Edited by: Derovius Vaden on 06/06/2007 21:53:28 Originally by: RedFall Edited by: RedFall on 06/06/2007 21:33:34 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Quote: Old Derovius is Canadian from Canadia and I ventured a guess that he doesn't like Bush. Nothing but net. And while you two ladies are fighting over President Chimp, I'm taking your Isks. Well at least our milk doesn't come in bags. Its not nice to talk about our women like that. Originally by: Mtthias Clemi I went to my sister "its D-day today" she replied "whats D-Day" nuff said. ... smack her, hard.
Scorpio Dantes Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.06.06 23:42:00 - [18] Originally by: Derovius Vaden D-Day may have been the largest invasion in history, but it was very poorly conceived. More people died than needed to, especially on the Canadian beaches. If the Allied High Command pushed through Italy instead of Normandy, they'd have reached Berlin sooner, overstepped alot of the fortifications and ended the war sooner. I'm not a WWII historian, but I'd like to point out a couple of things. The French route was chosen because of military, political and geographical factors that made it the most expedient choice when no options were really attractive. Most importantly, the French route provided the quickest access to the industrial Ruhr river valley, where the few remaining German factories and foundries continued to supply the army with war materiel. It also ensured that the Allies would enjoy air superiority on the day of the assault, something that could not be said of the Italian route because of fickle Mediterranean weather and the lack of both airbases and airplanes in that theater. Two geographical considerations also dictated a French landing. The Rome-Berlin route is longer, and necessitates crossing the Alps, and hundreds of miles of mountainous country along the German-Austrian borderlands. It would also extend Allied supply lines by around two thousand miles at a time when German diesel U-Boats were just filtering into the battlefield. Logistically, the Italian route was impossible, and Allied commanders recognized that. Politically speaking, the French route was most attractive for two reasons. First, it would put a stop to the rocket attacks terrorizing southern England. While casualties of the rocket attacks were comparatively light compared to the Blitz three years earlier, they still posed a significant threat to London, and the PM's government. Secondly, the French route would liberate Paris, the last major European capitol under **** occupation. It was the shortest route. It was the fastest route. It was the right choice. That doesn't mean that mistakes were not made, but to suggest the Italian route represented a better alternative is just factually incorrect. ________
Laughlyn Vaughns Gallente Lagos-Vaughn Industries	Posted - 2007.06.07 00:05:00 - [19] the title of this topic explains its lack of response from the forum, It happened 63 yrs ago, for most people if it didnt happen to them then they dont really give a toss. it was a significant operation which brought the world to what it is today, things could have gone really awry if they had chosen another path/route on that day but as luck would have it we've turned out alright. give thanks to the guys/gals who took part in the operation and just look at Saving private ryan for a tiny idea of what it was like for them. i'm not a bit fan of rememberances but i at least understand why peopel want to pay tribute to those that was forced to do what they had to. things could have been worse so show a little respeact to what went off instead of turning it into a current politacal matter. we have an entirly different view on how to solve world events now, than we did back then so dont judge past deceisions against current.
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.06.07 00:41:00 - [20] Quote: You are the one who always brings your politics into every thread I rarely bring them in first, but whatever. I knew looking at this post at work today, Bush would be in it sooner or later. What he has to do with D-day is beyond me, but I could smell it comming. And yes, milk in a bag? Who the hell thought that was a good idea? My GF is Canadian, and she won't even buy it that way, she buys her milk here, lol... We should have just taken over Canada long ago... Saving Private Ryan was pretty gruesome, but I heard it was a lot worse irl... Ouch... Building the homestead

Laughlyn Vaughns Gallente Lagos-Vaughn Industries	Posted - 2007.06.07 00:45:00 - [21] Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: Saving Private Ryan was pretty gruesome, but I heard it was a lot worse irl... Ouch... yeah we had a speaker at sschool some 15yrs back who had his squad members hit by and blown to bits by enemy fire/mortars. u can only get a really vague idea of what it was like but from what i've seen/been told thats the best idea of it but then just multiply that by watchign ur entire family masacred in front ur eyes one by one and then moving onto anyone remotly close to u. Nasty sht but these peopel alive today wnet through that. bless them for living with that for 63 yrs more than anything
Captain Hudson Caldari Sabre Inc	Posted - 2007.06.07 00:46:00 - [22] Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: You are the one who always brings your politics into every thread I rarely bring them in first, but whatever. I knew looking at this post at work today, Bush would be in it sooner or later. What he has to do with D-day is beyond me, but I could smell it comming. And yes, milk in a bag? Who the hell thought that was a good idea? My GF is Canadian, and she won't even buy it that way, she buys her milk here, lol... We should have just taken over Canada long ago... Saving Private Ryan was pretty gruesome, but I heard it was a lot worse irl... Ouch... wow just wow Originally by: SPQRMocton We would love to have a bunch of teenage pimple boys with no real pvp ability to fil our corpse yards
Flagral	Posted - 2007.06.07 00:49:00 - [23] /salute to all that didn't make it and to those that are still left. my generation has alot to thank you
Neon Genesis Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.06.07 00:50:00 - [24] Guns and Roses are a terrible band and I don't care how popular they are. _
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.06.07 00:51:00 - [25] Originally by: Neon Genesis Guns and Roses are a terrible band and I don't care how popular they are. I did not like the music choice either :( Building the homestead
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.07 01:03:00 - [26] Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 07/06/2007 01:03:32 Originally by: Scorpio Dantes Originally by: Derovius Vaden D-Day may have been the largest invasion in history, but it was very poorly conceived. More people died than needed to, especially on the Canadian beaches. If the Allied High Command pushed through Italy instead of Normandy, they'd have reached Berlin sooner, overstepped alot of the fortifications and ended the war sooner. I'm not a WWII historian, but I'd like to point out a couple of things. The French route was chosen because of military, political and geographical factors that made it the most expedient choice when no options were really attractive. Most importantly, the French route provided the quickest access to the industrial Ruhr river valley, where the few remaining German factories and foundries continued to supply the army with war materiel. It also ensured that the Allies would enjoy air superiority on the day of the assault, something that could not be said of the Italian route because of fickle Mediterranean weather and the lack of both airbases and airplanes in that theater. Two geographical considerations also dictated a French landing. The Rome-Berlin route is longer, and necessitates crossing the Alps, and hundreds of miles of mountainous country along the German-Austrian borderlands. It would also extend Allied supply lines by around two thousand miles at a time when German diesel U-Boats were just filtering into the battlefield. Logistically, the Italian route was impossible, and Allied commanders recognized that. Politically speaking, the French route was most attractive for two reasons. First, it would put a stop to the rocket attacks terrorizing southern England. While casualties of the rocket attacks were comparatively light compared to the Blitz three years earlier, they still posed a significant threat to London, and the PM's government. Secondly, the French route would liberate Paris, the last major European capitol under ** occupation. It was the shortest route. It was the fastest route. It was the right choice. That doesn't mean that mistakes were not made, but to suggest the Italian route represented a better alternative is just factually incorrect. Very accurate and to the point. I choose to remember this day for several things My family lost valued young people in that war. It liberated my home country And created the Europe we now live in today. In other theaters of war in WW2 more people where killed or maimed, like the battle of the pacific, the Eastern front and the war in China. That is why i choose toremember this today. PS: i didnt make the video or choose the music Originally by:** Jiekon/CCP If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine.
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.06.07 01:06:00 - [27] Originally by: Flagral /salute to all that didn't make it and to those that are still left. my generation has alot to thank you /signed.
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2007.06.07 03:56:00 - [28] With a capable leader the ****s might have actually won, be thankful the guy was a tactical moron. WWII was won and lost on the eastern front, sure D-Day was a glorious moment of sacrifice and great determination and all that but it's been 63 years and its time to move on.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.07 04:33:00 - [29] Originally by: Wendat Huron With a capable leader the ****s might have actually won, be thankful the guy was a tactical moron. WWII was won and lost on the eastern front, sure D-Day was a glorious moment of sacrifice and great determination and all that but it's been 63 years and its time to move on. I am insulted by the last part of your statement; no one should ever put themselves in a position to willfully forget the sacrifices others made on their behalf. Not 1/10/100 years after the fact do you have the right to tell someone that their death was all well and good, but no longer important. All I can say to you is that I'm sorry that you take things that others bled and died for granted. I hope in time you mature enough to give the wonderful life you live greater pause and respect.
RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.06.07 05:47:00 - [30] Originally by: Wendat Huron With a capable leader the ****s might have actually won, be thankful the guy was a tactical moron. WWII was won and lost on the eastern front, sure D-Day was a glorious moment of sacrifice and great determination and all that but it's been 63 years and its time to move on. Yes well with a capable leader the Lichtensteinians could conquer all of Europe. In the real world, Germany couldn't have been able to stand up against the military-industrial complex of America (I'm not saying Canada and the other countries didn't pull their own weight, I'm just saying that it was America's economy). I do believe that pound for pound the German's had better line infantry (except Marines, but they were in the Pacific) and tank commanders, but America was just zerg rushing Europe. Lets please not forget that WWII did not end until Japan surrendered. Europeans seem to have a Euro-centric view of WWII. As a former Marine myself, I know my Pacific theatre history well.



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