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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.07 12:18:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 07/06/2007 12:17:58
 Originally by: Peanut Swsh
I'm seeing lots of suggestions to move, but where too? I don't think I can get decent agents with the caldari navy, anywhere else. Unless the suggestion is to start grinding from lvl1's again... :/
/me sighs.
i.You don't need to run missions for Caldari Navy. All Caldari corporations make the same offers..or at least the vaguely combat related ones do.
ii.If you've been running L4 missions for Caldari Navy then your standing with Caldari State is probably high enough to let you move to a lot of L4 agents in other Caldari corporations anyway. You can probably be running a top level agent for another corporation in less than a week.
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Oprahh
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Posted - 2007.06.07 12:58:00 -
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As others have mentioned, there are two ways to fix the situation:
[1] CCP could install better hardware, or
[2] CCP could incentivize people to run missions in places other than the Motsu area.
The first solution would probably be expensive, but the second solution wouldn't seem too hard to implement. It doesn't make any sense that CCP would put so many good L4 agents so close to each other when it knew that its hardware couldn't handle a large number of people using these agents. It could spread these agents out more, or create more high-quality L4 agents in safe systems.
Alternatively, it could increase the rewards for running missions in low sec. From an isk standpoint, the expected return from running missions in low sec should be MUCH higher than running missions in high sec. In low sec, you risk losing your ship to pirates, you have to be much more attentive, and you won't be able to use faction mods. As it currently stands, high sec missions have HIGHER expected returns than low sec missions. This is completely backwards, and it's why most people run missions in high sec. In the real world, you're almost always compensated for increasing your risk (e.g., you'll get a higher interest rate lending money to Colombia than to the US), but it's not the way things work in Eve.
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Lioness Roseria
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Posted - 2007.09.08 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue
Edited by: Andrue on 07/06/2007 12:17:58
Originally by: Peanut Swsh
I'm seeing lots of suggestions to move, but where too? I don't think I can get decent agents with the caldari navy, anywhere else. Unless the suggestion is to start grinding from lvl1's again... :/
/me sighs.
i.You don't need to run missions for Caldari Navy. All Caldari corporations make the same offers..or at least the vaguely combat related ones do.
ii.If you've been running L4 missions for Caldari Navy then your standing with Caldari State is probably high enough to let you move to a lot of L4 agents in other Caldari corporations anyway. You can probably be running a top level agent for another corporation in less than a week.
I love people that give answers like this... There is a problem that causes lag. CCP can fix the problem easily. Yet people like you think that those of us that started out missioning with Caldari Navy should just start missioning all over again with a different faction and throw away our LP and Faction.
This rational (and I use that term losely with you) is backwards. We are customers of CCP and as such if there are problems then CCP should find a fix.
Here's an analogy for you: I buy a Whirlpool Washing Machine. After owning it for 3 months I notice it is shrinking my bluejeans. Whirlpools response to me is "Stop wearing bluejeans".
Wrong answer my friend...
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.09.09 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
No, the motsu - saila gate is laggy even if no one else is going through it
Thats because there are about 150~250 mission runners per system eating up the systems resorces.. Allocate more resorces and more people will show up which makes more lag which makes more whine posts..
Want to solve the problem? Move all those high quality agents to the far reaches of the Caldari Empire and not have them all bunched up in a 7 system lag ring of doom..  Though TBH I somehow think all that will do is make *all* the Caldari regions lag which is probably why they are all bunched up like they are now.. 
Originally by: David Hackworth
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Cass Daystar
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Posted - 2007.09.09 07:59:00 -
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There are 2 annoying answers that commonly get tossed around when this topic get posted/re-posted.
1. Move to a different system.
2. Make the offending systems lowsec.
These are really annoying and rather tired answers to a problem that could be very easily solved by CCP.
What is wrong with these answers:
1. Mission runners can move - that is true, but there are no other good level 4 Caldari Navy agents in high-sec. This means you are forced to:
a) start over again with another corp (or try to find one that your high Caldari faction will help out your corp standings with), and
b) abandon your LPs to the store. Yes, you can redeem them, but what if you have been running missions to be able to get into that CNR? Now you tell us to just give up with the Navy and go find another corp? Start over with 0 LPs?
Obviously, these are unreasonable demands. Causing players to lose their time investment to solve a problem of CCPs creation (see below) is unreasonable and unfair.
2. Those of us who don't want to PVP should not be forced into lowsec. Period. To suggest anything else is absurd. And please spare us the tired old crap about "EVE is a PVP game" (translation - play EVE MY way or quit!).
Why is the lag the fault of CCP - well, they created it - and I believe they did it by design. Yes, that is right. I think it is intentional.
CCP has had an agenda to move more PVE into lowsec (this is fairly well documented by their own dev blogs) - and they knew that this would greatly offend the dedicated core of PVEers who do not want to engage in PVP.
Solution - single out the largest group of "offenders" and make the situation unplayable for months and years on end - and in the end, there will be less resistance to moving PVE to lowsec.
Yes, this sounds like a conspiracy theory, but I will defend my assertion by pointing out that, just as CCP created the lag by moving all of the best high-sec CN agents into a grouping of 4 systems, they could also SOLVE the problem by spawning NEW AGENTS in highsec in different parts of EVE. Simple.
They can solve the problem by adding a few new agents and moving some of the existing ones around in space. You simply cannot move the existing ones, you need to add a few new ones to accommodate the nearly 10% of EVE population that are regularly braving the lag in Motsu/Saila. Check the map sometime - there is often nearly 10% of the total population of the server in those 4 systems at any one time.
This means they deserve a few more agents than other factions. Supply and demand.
Add new agents, redistribute the existing ones and there will be no (or little) lag issues. But when you are trying to motivate a group of players into accepting a change in their game play, I guess CCP feels it is easier to use lag as a tool.
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Yuri Orlov1985
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Posted - 2007.09.09 08:48:00 -
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Way to necro you freaking moron....god I love the weekends
I propose immediate bannage for people complaining about lag in Jita or other places full of idjits? can i get some ayes!?
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Shevar
Minmatar
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.09.09 09:03:00 -
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Easy solution put all positive level4 quality agents in low sec and spread the remaining low quality agents better around the caldari regions.
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.09.09 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Shevar
Easy solution put all positive level4 quality agents in low sec and spread the remaining low quality agents better around the caldari regions.
Do you really think that will change anything? The masses of motsu/saila will still cluster around the single best caladri agent in high-sec, whatever it's sec statut, and that's it.
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.09.09 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Shevar
Easy solution put all positive level4 quality agents in low sec and spread the remaining low quality agents better around the caldari regions.
Do you really think that will change anything? The masses of motsu/saila will still cluster around the single best caladri agent in high-sec, whatever it's sec statut, and that's it.
Solution, make multiple "best Caldari agents". If ones at Quality 20, and its the only one, of course people are going to cluster to it like pigs to a trough - make multiple Quality 20, spread them out, and see if it works.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Endica Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.09.09 10:29:00 -
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Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 09/09/2007 10:29:42
1. Why do virtually all people start to run missions for Caldari Navy in the first place?
There are better agents in other Caldari corps.
I mean, seriously, it seems people manage to inform themselves about what the most efficient mission running boats (Drake, Raven) are, and the best bloodline (Achura), yet utterly fail at choosing the right system/agent for missioning.
Lemmings? Seems like herd instinct to me.
2. Just freakin' buy that CNR. End of problem.
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