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Amael Galenus Mighty Moshin Emo Rangers	Posted - 2007.06.08 12:56:00 - [1] Simple question really- is there an idiot's guide to the history of Eve's alliances/wars so that I can bring myself up to speed with the current situation? A ôwhoÆs whoö of 0.0 wars type of thing. I've been trying to piece things together from the forums without success as information is fragmented & biased. My reason for asking is that I'm tiring of empire and am considering getting into 0.0 wars... SirMolle's recent comment of: ôOur goal in Eve is to control all of 0.0 space, and when thatÆs done weÆre going to take over the empire one by one and control the empire as wellö in the NY Times article has irked me somewhat and seems to be acting as a personal call to arms for me. I'd like to pick a good alliance to fight with, even if it's a loosing battle. All I know for sure right now is that I don't want to join BoB or GoonSwarn (no offence intended to anyone). Thanks in advance!
Kramer Verone Amarr TeamMX	Posted - 2007.06.08 12:59:00 - [2] Edited by: Kramer Verone on 08/06/2007 13:04:11 sorry, there isn't a history book that isn't biased on this topic if you didn't like sirmolle's statement, tough, sirmolle always gets his.
brinelan Caldari Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.06.08 13:05:00 - [3] Edited by: brinelan on 08/06/2007 13:04:10 Quote: I'd like to pick a good alliance to fight with, even if it's a loosing battle. All I know for sure right now is that I don't want to join BoB or GoonSwarn (no offence intended to anyone). Look around and find an alliance that has goals and people that seem to be a good fit. If you are looking for a fight and not to join bob or goons there are a ton of alliances for all types of players / personalities out there.. and plenty of good fights, both small and epic and everything in between. -------------------------- Victory not Vengeance [VnV] Proud member of Intrepid Crossing [IRC]
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.06.08 13:16:00 - [4] Well, as long as there's an army of pets willing to occupy 0.0 space under BoB's rule, it's a definite possibility. -------------------------------------
Nate Hammertown Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.08 13:16:00 - [5] no there isn't but wouldn't it be nice if there was? \|)) =D-------
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.08 14:00:00 - [6] Originally by: NATMav Well, as long as there's an army of pets willing to occupy 0.0 space under BoB's rule, it's a definite possibility. We have to combat the army of bitter morons that otherwise would occupy 0.0
Stefx Gallente Moons of Pluto	Posted - 2007.06.08 14:10:00 - [7] I find that eve-tribune.com is not bad as a source of information. You can read past issues and catch up a bit on war developments.
Rancid Beef Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.06.08 14:11:00 - [8] Edited by: Rancid Beef on 08/06/2007 14:14:39 As long as there is an army of Natmav's to shoot, BoB's "allies" will continue to help them kill you. :) "A friend of death, a brother of luck, and a s.o.b."
Nate Hammertown Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.08 14:15:00 - [9] Actualy I shouldnt just post silly stuff, I should try and help out so here's a link NOTE this a flash turned into a youtube so the quality is kind of iffy and it doesn't really cover the present conflicts, just old stuff, but still for the eve history buffs this is kind of some neat stuff, well check it out or dont: http://youtube.com/watch?v=pgC_WRPacAMIts really cool to watch sov expand and retract sped up like it does at the end of this. \|)) =D-------
Iva Soreass FireStar Inc	Posted - 2007.06.08 14:21:00 - [10] Originally by: Nate Hammertown Some stuff Just when i thought a GS member posted somthing useful and nearly made me choke in amazment, you go and prove me wrong! Thanks \o/. I was violated by BackDoor Bandit :*(
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2007.06.08 14:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Stefx I find that eve-tribune.com is not bad as a source of information. You can read past issues and catch up a bit on war developments. Just be warned of the obvious bias of some of its writers. Some say stuff without proof of it while others are pretty good. To OP: If you want to help against BOB go to the recruitment forum. Post the info about a type of corp/alliance you want to join along with stating it must be anti BOB and active in the war. Than you talk to the corps. Find one you like and join it. When you are in after getting to know some of the guys talk to an older member for a history lesson. --------------------------- Originally by: Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
Erikel Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat	Posted - 2007.06.08 14:48:00 - [12] Originally by: Wylker Originally by: NATMav Well, as long as there's an army of pets willing to occupy 0.0 space under BoB's rule, it's a definite possibility. We have to combat the army of bitter morons that otherwise would occupy 0.0 ROFL.
Interval The Triad Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.08 15:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Wylker Originally by: NATMav Well, as long as there's an army of pets willing to occupy 0.0 space under BoB's rule, it's a definite possibility. We have to combat the army of bitter morons that otherwise would occupy 0.0 You can't fight fire with fire.
Ling Xiao Prism Project Technologies	Posted - 2007.06.08 15:26:00 - [14] Works in pvp __________ If you think the game is rigged, why are you still playing?
Teron D'Amun The Burning Orphans Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.06.08 16:12:00 - [15] Originally by: Nate Hammertown NOTE this a flash turned into a youtube so the quality is kind of iffy and it doesn't really cover the present conflicts, just old stuff, but still for the eve history buffs this is kind of some neat stuff, well check it out or dont: http://youtube.com/watch?v=pgC_WRPacAMIts really cool to watch sov expand and retract sped up like it does at the end of this. I raise your youtube link by this known flash
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.08 16:33:00 - [16] Edited by: Princess Jodi on 08/06/2007 16:33:22 You're right to be angry about that comment from Sir Molle. But keep in mind that it was not an isolated comment - it is the stated Reason to Exist of Bob. The net effect is that all you need to know about current Alliances is that either you're gonna be a Bob pet in the future, or you're gonna help pull down Bob and burn him at the stake. It really amazes me that all the Non-Bob alliances cannot put their differences aside for a bit, and kill off Bob. I understand all the Egos involved, but really....do you think the Jews and the Gypsies fought each other when the ****s were marching into their town? Hmmm...apparently the profanity filter won't let me refer to a historical group who stomped over all of Europe about 60 years ago. I hope you get the idea
Caol The Nest	Posted - 2007.06.08 16:34:00 - [17] You could just click back on the pages at the bottom of this forum and read all threads with more than, say, 10 pages. Don't blame me if your brain melts though.
Darc Kaahar Gallente Endgame.	Posted - 2007.06.08 16:34:00 - [18] Originally by: Wylker Originally by: NATMav Well, as long as there's an army of pets willing to occupy 0.0 space under BoB's rule, it's a definite possibility. We have to combat the army of bitter morons that otherwise would occupy 0.0 lol , you rule Wylker, you're so cool Wylker sure is the wittest poster on eve o folks
Camilo Cienfuegos Caldari EP0CH	Posted - 2007.06.08 16:37:00 - [19] Edited by: Camilo Cienfuegos on 08/06/2007 16:38:35 Quote: It really amazes me that all the Non-Bob alliances cannot put their differences aside for a bit, and kill off Bob. I understand all the Egos involved, but really....do you think the Jews and the Gypsies fought each other when the **s were marching into their town? Umm... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came... When the **s came for the communists, I remained silent; I was not a communist. When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent; I was not a social democrat. When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out; I was not a trade unionist. When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out. So, yeah: Human nature at the root methinks. Not that I actually give a rat's ass. As the saying goes "Here comes the new boss, just like the old boss". -- Tractor Beams Caldari Buff
Your Name	Posted - 2007.06.08 17:13:00 - [20] Is there an alliancee in this game who's goal is not to expand? Even a purely industrial allianc as its member count goes up, will need more and more space. If you are not expanding, your little more then a target waiting to be taken over. Now BoB does seem to be an extreme example, and appears to actually have a thought out plan on what to do with the areas it takes, but does that make them evil compared to other pvp alliances? I think that most of BoB's post about taking over everthing, including empire, is just an attempt to generate enemies to shoot at. As far as entering 0.0 to do some pvp, keep these concepts in mind: 1) Expect to lose ships (dont fly what you can't afford to lose). 2) When in a fleet, follow orders (even if you think they are wrong) 3) If your FC (fleet commander) messes up, accept that he may be learning also, dont ditch him for a few errors. 4) If your FC keeps making the same error over and over (not learning), then you ditch him. 5) Dont read posts from me, because they tend to ramble over every possible subject 6) I like banana pudding
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.06.08 17:23:00 - [21] Originally by: Princess Jodi It really amazes me that all the Non-Bob alliances cannot put their differences aside for a bit, and kill off Bob. I understand all the Egos involved, but really It's not so much about that as it is a lack of exsisting and funtional communication lines and communication forums. Each alliance is a collection of corporations that have formed joint communication lines with other corporations. If the amount of channels increases drastically there is less and less attention per channel, that reduces overall communication efficiency. Hence the reluctance to create more channels and the reason for very slow reactions. Lack of internal communication. To solve this, mergers would have to be made, but it is quite difficult to incorporate several indipendent funtioning entities, not least due to a "if it ain't broke don't fix it" -attitude. Since the current situation funtions up to a point, and ppl subconsiusly reject any ideas endangering the known funktioning systems. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Smith Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.08 17:26:00 - [22] You need to join an alliance like IRON because no matter what the situation you will always be number 1 in EVE and if you do loose its because of lag.
Bashiri Point-Zero	Posted - 2007.06.08 17:35:00 - [23] There are many alliance's out there and are fighting there buddies nexts door of them. Look to the north east of the map and you can pick which one you want to join. Has for whats going on in 0.0 well it's the same old thing. He is not blue to me and is in my system then everyone warps to kill him ahhhhhhh a gank squad on the other side of the gate waiting for orders to jump in and give a good fight.Well thats the raid part of 0.0 Then you have your full all out wars. Were they bring in dreads,carriers and so on to remove you from teh system which they want control of and you will make sure you defend your self from this threat. P.S make sure it's the type of alliance and time zone that works with you. If your looking on current news on whats going on with the big war right now. You would have to do alot of reading off the forums. Right now Band Of Brothers and there allies are winning.
Boliknar The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.08 17:38:00 - [24] Originally by: Erikel Originally by: Wylker Originally by: NATMav Well, as long as there's an army of pets willing to occupy 0.0 space under BoB's rule, it's a definite possibility. We have to combat the army of bitter morons that otherwise would occupy 0.0 ROFL. The only thing I find "funny" i that you guys respond to a statement of a very real aspect of 0.0 life (ie. everyone being willing to bow down and kiss BoB's butt)with a personal attack. Nice debating skills "MORON".
Sochin Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.08 17:44:00 - [25] Originally by: Interval Originally by: Wylker Originally by: NATMav Well, as long as there's an army of pets willing to occupy 0.0 space under BoB's rule, it's a definite possibility. We have to combat the army of bitter morons that otherwise would occupy 0.0 You can't fight fire with fire. Sure you can, its called Controlled Burning. In this case, we are razing 0.0 of all the useless debris and planting new seedling alliances that will blossom into beautiful flowers of awesomeness. That metaphor came out way better then I expected. Nemo me impune lacessit
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.08 17:48:00 - [26] Originally by: Darc Kaahar Originally by: Wylker Originally by: NATMav Well, as long as there's an army of pets willing to occupy 0.0 space under BoB's rule, it's a definite possibility. We have to combat the army of bitter morons that otherwise would occupy 0.0 lol , you rule Wylker, you're so cool Wylker sure is the wittest poster on eve o folks Game, set, and match. Thank you sir.
Recluse Viramor Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.08 17:51:00 - [27] It may not encompass all of eve but RKK's history is quite well documented here. Covers some minor conflicts such as the GNW and several of the Caldari Championships
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.08 17:52:00 - [28]
Vladimir Yuchenko Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.08 17:53:00 - [29] Originally by: Boliknar Originally by: Erikel Originally by: Wylker Originally by: NATMav Well, as long as there's an army of pets willing to occupy 0.0 space under BoB's rule, it's a definite possibility. We have to combat the army of bitter morons that otherwise would occupy 0.0 ROFL. The only thing I find "funny" i that you guys respond to a statement of a very real aspect of 0.0 life (ie. everyone being willing to bow down and kiss BoB's butt)with a personal attack. Nice debating skills "MORON". What debate? He made a comment, a funny comment at that, and more to the point a funny comment that you didn't like. So take your quotation marks and "shove it". P.S. If you weren't so interested in acting like Chicken Little you might realize that BoB is a long way off from achieving its goal and likely never will.
Interval The Triad Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.08 17:57:00 - [30] Originally by: Sochin Originally by: Interval Originally by: Wylker Originally by: NATMav Well, as long as there's an army of pets willing to occupy 0.0 space under BoB's rule, it's a definite possibility. We have to combat the army of bitter morons that otherwise would occupy 0.0 You can't fight fire with fire. Sure you can, its called Controlled Burning. In this case, we are razing 0.0 of all the useless debris and planting new seedling alliances that will blossom into beautiful flowers of awesomeness. That metaphor came out way better then I expected. Lol, controlled burning to remove the weeds so you can raise other weeds. Keep it up :)
Privious	Posted - 2007.06.08 22:32:00 - [31] Originally by: Nero Winger I lol'd
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.06.08 22:36:00 - [32] Originally by: Darc Kaahar Originally by: Wylker Originally by: NATMav Well, as long as there's an army of pets willing to occupy 0.0 space under BoB's rule, it's a definite possibility. We have to combat the army of bitter morons that otherwise would occupy 0.0 lol , you rule Wylker, you're so cool Wylker sure is the wittest poster on eve o folks Good thing he's got his forum skills mastered, because he doesn't do jack in game. -------------------------------------
MaxSkywalker x13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.08 23:19:00 - [33] Use the anger young skywalker! - I live of government cheese!
deathforge The Accursed	Posted - 2007.06.08 23:33:00 - [34] Originally by: NATMav Originally by: Darc Kaahar Originally by: Wylker Originally by: NATMav Well, as long as there's an army of pets willing to occupy 0.0 space under BoB's rule, it's a definite possibility. We have to combat the army of bitter morons that otherwise would occupy 0.0 lol , you rule Wylker, you're so cool Wylker sure is the wittest poster on eve o folks Good thing he's got his forum skills mastered, because he doesn't do jack in game. So says the D2 pet with a whopping 186 kills to his name? Wait! The gate fired! you're neglecting your camping duties in empire chokepoints by crying on the forums! To the pwnmobile! batman music And by the way, I rule you. ---------------------- Jerk + 122k skillpoints + Determination = Rifter of DoomÖ
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.06.09 15:38:00 - [35] Originally by: deathforge So says the D2 pet with a whopping 186 kills to his name? Post Wylker's stats too now. Yeah, I thought so. Troll harder please. -------------------------------------
Valdis Corick GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.09 19:14:00 - [36] Edited by: Valdis Corick on 09/06/2007 19:21:09 Edited by: Valdis Corick on 09/06/2007 19:14:31 Edited by: Valdis Corick on 09/06/2007 19:13:42 Asking for a "guide to 0.0 history" is like asking for a book on the history of the world. It can be done but your brain would melt far before you could finish it. I'd recommend just finding a couple alliances that interest you, whether they be major players like Red Alliance or just amusing ones like IAC and reading their history. To put it into context, the goon condensed shortened abbreviated version of our own corp history is over 3 pages long, and that's without all the propaganda and circle...self-promoting you'd find elsewhere (with all that stuff ours blossoms to 20-30 pages) edit: I looked into that eve-tribune, and as far as information goes it seems to be alright, however the writers (or the ones I read) are very heavily biased. Read the commentary about the recent dev scandal snip Inappropriate signature -Eldo ([email protected])
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.09 20:00:00 - [37] Edited by: welsh wizard on 09/06/2007 19:58:40 Someone who wants to join the T's because the CT's have more players. I salute you op, you're a dying breed.
NereSky Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.06.09 23:41:00 - [38] Warfare in Eve and in particular 0.0 is ever changing my best advice for 0.0 is 'teamwork' the ability to be kicked to the floor and stand back up,the skill and dedication to work towards a goal or vision without letting setbacks or obstacles get in your way, and finally move forward instead of backwards embracing change.
Slow Joe I can't believe it's not a noob corp	Posted - 2007.06.10 05:07:00 - [39] Originally by: Sochin In this case, we are razing 0.0 of all the useless debris and planting new seedling alliances that will blossom into beautiful flowers of awesomeness. I'm gonna make it my new sig. Originally by: Sochin In this case, we are razing 0.0 of all the useless debris and planting new seedling alliances that will blossom into beautiful flowers of awesomeness.
Araviel Gallente Epic.	Posted - 2007.06.10 07:38:00 - [40] Originally by: Recluse Viramor It may not encompass all of eve but RKK's history is quite well documented here. Covers some minor conflicts such as the GNW and several of the Caldari Championships RKK's history is a very good tip, I can also recommend eve-history.net (work in progress) for the past, and eve-tribune.com for the present, Blacklight's blogs also got some good reading. Thats the best online sources I can remember at the moment. Most of the alliance history is undocumented tho, and the COAD archive is probably the best source for info , but digging thru all the spam and necro posts is hiddeous work ---------- signature under construction
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.06.10 08:55:00 - [41] WTB History of the North book. Looking for a relaxed ingame RP channel to join? La Maison De Tous Les Plaisirs
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army	Posted - 2007.06.10 11:38:00 - [42] Originally by: Wylker Originally by: NATMav Well, as long as there's an army of pets willing to occupy 0.0 space under BoB's rule, it's a definite possibility. We have to combat the army of bitter morons that otherwise would occupy 0.0 Oh you're fighting CVA too? ;)
pyklet uk1 Gallente UK1 Zero Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.06.10 14:07:00 - [43] I'm a BOB pet, An I'm thrilled to bits about it to! The only people I see whining are members of Alliances who have either no space to "pet rent" or have just had their ass's handed to them by Uncle BOB
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.06.10 15:21:00 - [44] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 09/06/2007 19:58:40 Someone who wants to join the T's because the CT's have more players. I salute you op, you're a dying breed. /me waits for PTB to balance the teams -------------------------------------
Threv Echandari Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.06.11 20:58:00 - [45] Edited by: Threv Echandari on 11/06/2007 20:57:15 Originally by: Amael Galenus Simple question really- is there an idiot's guide to the history of Eve's alliances/wars so that I can bring myself up to speed with the current situation? A ôwhoÆs whoö of 0.0 wars type of thing. I've been trying to piece things together from the forums without success as information is fragmented & biased. Try this for recent history History Map Threv That's life. Some people run X accounts. With a better PC. And a faster GFX card. And on a faster network connection. While their wife brings them beer. From the fridge on their yacht.
Van'Klomp Minmatar KarWal Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.11 22:38:00 - [46] When you think about life in 0.0 and an alliance you want to join, try not to be anti-BoB, anti-GS, none of that. Join the public channels of corps/alliances you consider and get to know the guys first, because a move to 0.0 can be costly if it's not with the right people. Just my two cents being a recent carebear turned pvp-er. I'll never go back to the carebear way of life.

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