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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: coldplasma on 08/06/2007 16:40:13
I bet this has been said a million times before, but if you walk around your city with your phone out, gold jewelry all over you and flashing your thousands of dollars to everyone, then you wouldn't be surprised if you got mugged, right?
Similarly, if you wander around EVE in a conspicuous badger with all of your BPOs and goods in your cargo hold, then expect to get ganked. YOU are the one who has been stupid enough to put your entire income in such a weak ship, YOU are the one who is too lazy to train up for a transport ship, and YOU are the one who is too lazy to join a corp who will happily protect and scout for your ass if you need to move all of that stuff around. Quit whining about suicide ganking being lame and actually put some sweat and blood into your work.
EDIT: I'd also like to point out that I am not a suicide ganker, I have better more reliable ways to earn income and e-penor length.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Beor0d
If i would walk around in my city and theres jewelry etc. i wouldn't suicide myself to get the stuff.
What difference does this make? We all know suicide in EVE is not like real suicide, so that should end your point right there.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: T'Laar Bok
People have been pushed out of low sec 'cause of pirates and now they have to deal with them in hi sec as well. The only place left to push people is out of the game and that is not a good thing.
I think what EVE should pride itself on is the fact that it is safe NOWHERE. If high-sec was meant to be completely safe, then they would've called it 'safe-sec', and not simply 'high-sec'. Really, that is all it is, just a higher security level than the others. If people want to play a game where they don't need to fear getting ganked, then this is not their game anyway. I would quite happily have people leave this game to go play WoW if it meant there were less whiners, wimps and idiots playing.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Beor0d
you can't make an example which doesn't match the most important point, death.
What? If I can't do that, then neither can you, so you've just proved yourself incorrect.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: coldplasma on 08/06/2007 16:56:55
Originally by: Igus
Suicide ganking in high sec is a stupid concept and should be changed.
The following should be happening.
-No insurance for when concord comes and pwns you.
-Concord pods you.
-You should receive a -5.0 status penalty.
-Your character is unusable for 24 hours.
Where conceptually can you think of a place that you can shoot someone from inside your car, police come to wreck you car, and let you walk away.
And to be somewhat fair remove Sec Status hits in low sec.
Can you give a reason why my points are invalid please, don't just restate "ZOMFG IT MUST BE CHANGED, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE OP IS SAYING, IT MUST BE NERFED!!!!"
Also this idea about insurance, the ganker still has to pay 30so million to reinsure, and even if they didn't, I would quite happily waste 100mill if it meant earning 500mill.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Jodi
I see...so by your logic, *****should be legal and all women should also wear the Burka veil because if they dress in mini-skirts and high heels they are just asking to be raped?
I promise to work diligently to find a broken game mechanic which will allow me to grief Pirates with a +300% profit factor. Then I will continually campaign to keep the mechanic in the game and resist any effort to balance it.
I fail to see the correlation between real life rape, to a game mechanic which can be easily avoided by taking the correct measures.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 17:22:00 -
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Leaving the original analogy aside, maybe you'd like to tell me what is wrong with my points. That is, it is your fault for not adequately preparing to protect your stuff, for instance, getting a corp escort to look after your stuff in the event of a suicide gank. People who do not take these measures whine about the fact they get ganked, yet they make no effort to use the mechanics that CCP has given them to protect their stuff!
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Posted - 2007.06.08 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: coldplasma
Originally by: Princess Jodi
I see...so by your logic, *****should be legal and all women should also wear the Burka veil because if they dress in mini-skirts and high heels they are just asking to be raped?
I promise to work diligently to find a broken game mechanic which will allow me to grief Pirates with a +300% profit factor. Then I will continually campaign to keep the mechanic in the game and resist any effort to balance it.
I fail to see the correlation between real life rape, to a game mechanic which can be easily avoided by taking the correct measures.
Supposedly *****is easily avoided by avoiding places where you're at a disadvantage. Dark places, places where you're alone, and places where animals are known to prowl.
That said, you're average woman going up against an armed attacked might as well be wearing rice paper for all the good it does her when the stuff hits the fan.
Same for a suicide gank. You have known unavoidable choke points, absolutely no defenses whatsoever, and no real ability to rapidly escape the situation.
You might as well be an inebriated socialite in South Central Los Angeles in a short skirt sans panties.
Read my above post. A corp escort will look after your stuff in the event of a gank, and the great part is that the gankers get NO profit if you had an escort. You have to adapt to survive anywhere in this game.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kassandra Tillman
Originally by: coldplasma
Originally by: Beor0d
you can't make an example which doesn't match the most important point, death.
What? If I can't do that, then neither can you, so you've just proved yourself incorrect.
op stated "I bet this has been said a million times before, but if you walk around your city with your phone out, gold jewelry all over you and flashing your thousands of dollars to everyone, then you wouldn't be surprised if you got mugged, right?"
thus it made the comparison of Rl to suicide ganking.
That's because of the obvious similarity of the two situations. However, the differences between suicide in EVE and suicide in real life are so strikingly obvious, that it is impossible to make a comparison between these two situation. I never said you would get mugged if you paraded your wealth in real life, I said you wouldn't be suprised if you did. You can compare this to someone who wanders in and out of Jita in a T1 badger which is easily scanned. The onyl way you can compare suicide in EVE to suicide in real life is if the player suicide ganked someone, logged off and terminated his account. Now, that's pretty stupid if you ask me.
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Posted - 2007.06.09 22:32:00 -
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Edited by: coldplasma on 09/06/2007 22:32:11
I would like to know how people want to nerf this as well. No insurance for your ship? Big deal, you've just earned 500mill from the cargo of the hauler you ganked, the battleship is peanuts.
-10 for suicide ganks in high sec? Get real, you intend to keep these people out of empire 0.5+ because you are too lazy to take the adequate measures necessary to stay safe in an UNSAFE game? If you have a corp escort, sure, you might think you'll still get suicided, but what you're forgetting is that the escort will look after your can for you. The pirate gets no profit and looses his modules and insurance money.
So please, stop with silly "OMGZ UR ANALOGIES SUX" and look at the issue here. I have put forward some very valid points, and it seems that a lot of the people replying in favor of nerf just want to criticize the original analogy (I still think that it is pretty good, since you flying around in a badger has "A LOT OF IMPORTANT STUFF" written all over it, except some people think too deeply into things and miss the main point).
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