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coldplasma
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: coldplasma on 08/06/2007 16:40:13
I bet this has been said a million times before, but if you walk around your city with your phone out, gold jewelry all over you and flashing your thousands of dollars to everyone, then you wouldn't be surprised if you got mugged, right?
Similarly, if you wander around EVE in a conspicuous badger with all of your BPOs and goods in your cargo hold, then expect to get ganked. YOU are the one who has been stupid enough to put your entire income in such a weak ship, YOU are the one who is too lazy to train up for a transport ship, and YOU are the one who is too lazy to join a corp who will happily protect and scout for your ass if you need to move all of that stuff around. Quit whining about suicide ganking being lame and actually put some sweat and blood into your work.
EDIT: I'd also like to point out that I am not a suicide ganker, I have better more reliable ways to earn income and e-penor length.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:41:00 -
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Sean Dillon
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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:42:00 -
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singed, only stupid people will get their haulers ganked
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Beor0d
Congregatio
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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:43:00 -
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If i would walk around in my city and theres jewelry etc. i wouldn't suicide myself to get the stuff.
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coldplasma
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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Beor0d
If i would walk around in my city and theres jewelry etc. i wouldn't suicide myself to get the stuff.
What difference does this make? We all know suicide in EVE is not like real suicide, so that should end your point right there.
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Mortimer Phinn
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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:45:00 -
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And putting a mask on (using an alt) shouldn't protect you from the sec hit either. Make all characters on a account recieve the hit, you want tough guy game, then be willing to take tough guy penalty.
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T'Laar Bok
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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:45:00 -
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People have been pushed out of low sec 'cause of pirates and now they have to deal with them in hi sec as well. The only place left to push people is out of the game and that is not a good thing.
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RossP Zoyka
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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mortimer Phinn
And putting a mask on (using an alt) shouldn't protect you from the sec hit either. Make all characters on a account recieve the hit, you want tough guy game, then be willing to take tough guy penalty.
That would be kinda cool! I love sec hits, they make people feel unique and makes carebears think that you are getting punished. ahahhaha
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coldplasma
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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: T'Laar Bok
People have been pushed out of low sec 'cause of pirates and now they have to deal with them in hi sec as well. The only place left to push people is out of the game and that is not a good thing.
I think what EVE should pride itself on is the fact that it is safe NOWHERE. If high-sec was meant to be completely safe, then they would've called it 'safe-sec', and not simply 'high-sec'. Really, that is all it is, just a higher security level than the others. If people want to play a game where they don't need to fear getting ganked, then this is not their game anyway. I would quite happily have people leave this game to go play WoW if it meant there were less whiners, wimps and idiots playing.
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Beor0d
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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:50:00 -
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Edited by: Beor0d on 08/06/2007 16:49:12
Originally by: coldplasma
Originally by: Beor0d
If i would walk around in my city and theres jewelry etc. i wouldn't suicide myself to get the stuff.
What difference does this make? We all know suicide in EVE is not like real suicide, so that should end your point right there.
The difference? hmmmmmm......maybe the fact that you can't die in eve? you can't make an example which doesn't match the most important point, death.
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coldplasma
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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Beor0d
you can't make an example which doesn't match the most important point, death.
What? If I can't do that, then neither can you, so you've just proved yourself incorrect.
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Igus
Green Gecko Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:53:00 -
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Suicide ganking in high sec is a stupid concept and should be changed.
The following should be happening.
-No insurance for when concord comes and pwns you.
-Concord pods you.
-You should receive a -5.0 status penalty.
-Your character is unusable for 24 hours.
Where conceptually can you think of a place that you can shoot someone from inside your car, police come to wreck you car, and let you walk away.
And to be somewhat fair remove Sec Status hits in low sec.
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Vitrael
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:55:00 -
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signed.
Exactly how stupid do you have to be to carry anything of value in a freighter?
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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:55:00 -
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Suicide ganking should be either hard and expensive or very risky with a serious penalty, right now it is neither. suicide ganking can stay, but it should be limited to being pretty much unprofitable action.
PS EVERYONE of your analogies was dead on wrong quite while your ahead. If I run around town will all my jewlery flashing aroung, and you come up to try an mug me.... a) I will prolly kick your arse cause I am a big strong guy who has trained in some MMA b) I will pull out a gun and shoot you, c) if niether a or b occurs but the cops are near by and charge over they will get your ass , give my stuff back and put you in the slam, d) you wouldn;t kill yourself for a bit of jewlery...so in eve something like that should happen if you suicide gank, That is if you want to make real life analogies, so please don;t come here and use REAL LIFE analogies only to tell people EVE isnt real life as the defense to their rebuttals of your poorly thought out analogies.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:56:00 -
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Suicide Ganking is not balanced, its not a matter of whether or not it should or should not be in the game. As it stands, a blob of Domi's can destroy billions of isk worth of items, make billions for themselves, and still get paid via insurance for their losses. What does the victim get? a wet slap across the face.
Suicide Ganking should never, EVER be profitable. If you want someone to go down in High Security that bad, you should have to suffer financially, physically and emotionally do so. Else, all we get is piracy in high sec, and that benefits no one. Its like robbing some old lady infront of the police station, you need a death wish, a big set of junk and a thick skull.
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coldplasma
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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: coldplasma on 08/06/2007 16:56:55
Originally by: Igus
Suicide ganking in high sec is a stupid concept and should be changed.
The following should be happening.
-No insurance for when concord comes and pwns you.
-Concord pods you.
-You should receive a -5.0 status penalty.
-Your character is unusable for 24 hours.
Where conceptually can you think of a place that you can shoot someone from inside your car, police come to wreck you car, and let you walk away.
And to be somewhat fair remove Sec Status hits in low sec.
Can you give a reason why my points are invalid please, don't just restate "ZOMFG IT MUST BE CHANGED, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE OP IS SAYING, IT MUST BE NERFED!!!!"
Also this idea about insurance, the ganker still has to pay 30so million to reinsure, and even if they didn't, I would quite happily waste 100mill if it meant earning 500mill.
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Beor0d
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Posted - 2007.06.08 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: coldplasma
Originally by: Beor0d
you can't make an example which doesn't match the most important point, death.
What? If I can't do that, then neither can you, so you've just proved yourself incorrect.
You can't compare Real Life circumstances to a game.
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Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground
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Posted - 2007.06.08 17:04:00 -
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I see...so by your logic, *****should be legal and all women should also wear the Burka veil because if they dress in mini-skirts and high heels they are just asking to be raped?
I promise to work diligently to find a broken game mechanic which will allow me to grief Pirates with a +300% profit factor. Then I will continually campaign to keep the mechanic in the game and resist any effort to balance it.
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Igus
Green Gecko Inc.
deadspace society
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Posted - 2007.06.08 17:05:00 -
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I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to suicide gank, while i think it is stupid it has its places.
What should change is the punishment should match the crime. Right now there is very little punishment for a very high rewarding crime.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.08 17:07:00 -
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Along with no insurance from CONCORD, the clone contract should also be null and void in the event of a suicide gank.
If you want to be a miscreant, be ready to accept the consequences of maximum difficulty gameplay. 
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Taniv
The Durandal Organization
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.06.08 17:07:00 -
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Wouldn't it be more analogous to driving around a city in a delivery truck... It isn't like people that get ganked are flying around declaring all of their stuff in local (at least usually).
I am sort of undecided on the status of suicide ganking. I believe at least you should get no insurance for dieing to CONCORD. Right now it is like Geico paying to fix the bullet holes in my car after I rob a bank...
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coldplasma
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Posted - 2007.06.08 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Jodi
I see...so by your logic, *****should be legal and all women should also wear the Burka veil because if they dress in mini-skirts and high heels they are just asking to be raped?
I promise to work diligently to find a broken game mechanic which will allow me to grief Pirates with a +300% profit factor. Then I will continually campaign to keep the mechanic in the game and resist any effort to balance it.
I fail to see the correlation between real life rape, to a game mechanic which can be easily avoided by taking the correct measures.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 17:13:00 -
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signed once again.
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coldplasma
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Posted - 2007.06.08 17:22:00 -
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Leaving the original analogy aside, maybe you'd like to tell me what is wrong with my points. That is, it is your fault for not adequately preparing to protect your stuff, for instance, getting a corp escort to look after your stuff in the event of a suicide gank. People who do not take these measures whine about the fact they get ganked, yet they make no effort to use the mechanics that CCP has given them to protect their stuff!
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Anaalys Fluuterby
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Posted - 2007.06.08 17:24:00 -
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Suicide ganking is a legitimate part of gameplay and should stay.
The concept that you get an insurance payment for purposely blowing up your ship is silly. Maybe we should give mandatory jail time for insurance fraud if Concord blows up your ship and it is insured....
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.08 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: coldplasma
Originally by: Princess Jodi
I see...so by your logic, *****should be legal and all women should also wear the Burka veil because if they dress in mini-skirts and high heels they are just asking to be raped?
I promise to work diligently to find a broken game mechanic which will allow me to grief Pirates with a +300% profit factor. Then I will continually campaign to keep the mechanic in the game and resist any effort to balance it.
I fail to see the correlation between real life rape, to a game mechanic which can be easily avoided by taking the correct measures.
Supposedly *****is easily avoided by avoiding places where you're at a disadvantage. Dark places, places where you're alone, and places where animals are known to prowl.
That said, you're average woman going up against an armed attacked might as well be wearing rice paper for all the good it does her when the stuff hits the fan.
Same for a suicide gank. You have known unavoidable choke points, absolutely no defenses whatsoever, and no real ability to rapidly escape the situation.
You might as well be an inebriated socialite in South Central Los Angeles in a short skirt sans panties.
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Kalia Misht'hu
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Posted - 2007.06.08 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Jodi
I see...so by your logic, *****should be legal and all women should also wear the Burka veil because if they dress in mini-skirts and high heels they are just asking to be raped?
I promise to work diligently to find a broken game mechanic which will allow me to grief Pirates with a +300% profit factor. Then I will continually campaign to keep the mechanic in the game and resist any effort to balance it.
That's a pretty classy troll, actually. I'd take my hat off, but I hate you.
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coldplasma
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Posted - 2007.06.08 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: coldplasma
Originally by: Princess Jodi
I see...so by your logic, *****should be legal and all women should also wear the Burka veil because if they dress in mini-skirts and high heels they are just asking to be raped?
I promise to work diligently to find a broken game mechanic which will allow me to grief Pirates with a +300% profit factor. Then I will continually campaign to keep the mechanic in the game and resist any effort to balance it.
I fail to see the correlation between real life rape, to a game mechanic which can be easily avoided by taking the correct measures.
Supposedly *****is easily avoided by avoiding places where you're at a disadvantage. Dark places, places where you're alone, and places where animals are known to prowl.
That said, you're average woman going up against an armed attacked might as well be wearing rice paper for all the good it does her when the stuff hits the fan.
Same for a suicide gank. You have known unavoidable choke points, absolutely no defenses whatsoever, and no real ability to rapidly escape the situation.
You might as well be an inebriated socialite in South Central Los Angeles in a short skirt sans panties.
Read my above post. A corp escort will look after your stuff in the event of a gank, and the great part is that the gankers get NO profit if you had an escort. You have to adapt to survive anywhere in this game.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: coldplasma
Originally by: Princess Jodi
I see...so by your logic, *****should be legal and all women should also wear the Burka veil because if they dress in mini-skirts and high heels they are just asking to be raped?
I promise to work diligently to find a broken game mechanic which will allow me to grief Pirates with a +300% profit factor. Then I will continually campaign to keep the mechanic in the game and resist any effort to balance it.
I fail to see the correlation between real life rape, to a game mechanic which can be easily avoided by taking the correct measures.
Supposedly *****is easily avoided by avoiding places where you're at a disadvantage. Dark places, places where you're alone, and places where animals are known to prowl.
That said, you're average woman going up against an armed attacked might as well be wearing rice paper for all the good it does her when the stuff hits the fan.
Same for a suicide gank. You have known unavoidable choke points, absolutely no defenses whatsoever, and no real ability to rapidly escape the situation.
You might as well be an inebriated socialite in South Central Los Angeles in a short skirt sans panties.
However, when the cops show up after you've savaged said socialite, do they allow you to walk off with her purse, and will Allstate pay your policy if the cops shoot up your car as you attempt to flee the scene?
And I think that the ubiquitous panel truck is the best example given so far in this thread. For the following reasons:
- If you were driving a panel truck, and someone opened the back door to see what you were carrying, wouldn't you immediately call the cops / mess him up? (Scanning = hostile)
- If someone knocks over your panel truck, would the police allow them to keep the goods after arrest? (Hauler ganks and looting the wreck)
- If you rob a panel truck, and your car was totaled in the ensuing chase, would Geico pay for your misdeeds? (Insurance when CONCORD'ed)
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.08 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Amarria Black
Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: coldplasma
Originally by: Princess Jodi
I see...so by your logic, *****should be legal and all women should also wear the Burka veil because if they dress in mini-skirts and high heels they are just asking to be raped?
I promise to work diligently to find a broken game mechanic which will allow me to grief Pirates with a +300% profit factor. Then I will continually campaign to keep the mechanic in the game and resist any effort to balance it.
I fail to see the correlation between real life rape, to a game mechanic which can be easily avoided by taking the correct measures.
Supposedly *****is easily avoided by avoiding places where you're at a disadvantage. Dark places, places where you're alone, and places where animals are known to prowl.
That said, you're average woman going up against an armed attacked might as well be wearing rice paper for all the good it does her when the stuff hits the fan.
Same for a suicide gank. You have known unavoidable choke points, absolutely no defenses whatsoever, and no real ability to rapidly escape the situation.
You might as well be an inebriated socialite in South Central Los Angeles in a short skirt sans panties.
However, when the cops show up after you've savaged said socialite, do they allow you to walk off with her purse, and will Allstate pay your policy if the cops shoot up your car as you attempt to flee the scene?
And I think that the ubiquitous panel truck is the best example given so far in this thread. For the following reasons:
- If you were driving a panel truck, and someone opened the back door to see what you were carrying, wouldn't you immediately call the cops / mess him up? (Scanning = hostile)
- If someone knocks over your panel truck, would the police allow them to keep the goods after arrest? (Hauler ganks and looting the wreck)
- If you rob a panel truck, and your car was totaled in the ensuing chase, would Geico pay for your misdeeds? (Insurance when CONCORD'ed)
You misunderstand me, I'm NOT supporting suicide ganking at all.
If you read again, the point of that post was to explain that there isn't any avoiding the gankers. With the jumpgate system as it is now, you cannot bypass the gankers, and cannot even see them coming. The "alt scout" nonsense is garbage, because the alt might tell you "yeah, the poons are waiting", but it does nothing to give you the ability to deflect the incoming attack.
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