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Funky Monkey
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Posted - 2004.01.13 03:49:00 -
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Just curious... does anyone else feel that PvP should be in 0.0 Space only?. Secure space reserved for NPC adversaries only. Up to BS spawns in 0.1 sec space. PK'ers are far to efficient at what they do and running agent missions is damn near impossible when you have a group gate camping.
CCP seems unwilling or unable to do anything about it. Griefers are running around shooting up NoObs to get their jollies, gate campers are hanging by gates to make life a misery for anyone below .5 sec space.
I guess my question is.. do we as a PAYING customer base accept this? I had been under the impression when I first joined that PvP would be in 0.0 space only... 0.0 for advanced players, campers, PieRats, people that get wood in causing grief to others can have their way out ther to their hearts content.
Put the good minerals out there in quantity, make it attractive to head out to get rich quick... with the provisio that you take your clone in your own hands to get the money... but for pity's sake, why subject those who want to try different things WITHOUT having to deal with Gate buttwads and general mayhem peckers to these same idiots.
Well, rant over.. this will be flamed .. ignored.. perhaps even a few good suggestions will come of it.. but actual notice from CCP and positive action OR at least an explination as to WHY they let PK'ers run around in empire space?.. LOL.. not bloody likely......  |
Funky Monkey
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Posted - 2004.01.13 03:50:00 -
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now that was bloody weird.. .double topic post.. heh.. ah well... huzzah for great internet connectivity.. :p |
Slagg
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Posted - 2004.01.13 03:55:00 -
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*snip*
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Asharee Intrefer
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Posted - 2004.01.13 04:05:00 -
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I'm a month or so old here, but I think the PvP areas are fairly balanced, with fair security at gates and stations in 0.1-0.4 allowing for relatively safe travel unless you venture out into belts and so.
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2004.01.13 04:27:00 -
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No one can hear you scream in space. Besides...paranoia keeps the adrinaline pumping and keeps the average player on thier toes.
But hey this is comeing from someone who attacks sentry guns for the sole purpose of attacking them. Just wait and see...I will destroy them one of these days.
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Pojo
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Posted - 2004.01.13 04:27:00 -
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Wont be missied thats for sure... 
"Caldari capacity for good is only exceeded by our capacity for evil"
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Havocide
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Posted - 2004.01.13 04:34:00 -
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i just picked the words "pvp in 0.0 space only" outa what you wrote, if thats what your saying then you sir are an idiot
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Jacko Kaid
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Posted - 2004.01.13 04:41:00 -
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Crime still happens in the good part of town. But then, I guess I can say that without malice because I've never been attacked by a player in 1.0 space yet.
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Bexxly
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Posted - 2004.01.13 04:43:00 -
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Edited by: Bexxly on 13/01/2004 04:45:19
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Just curious... does anyone else feel that PvP should be in 0.0 Space only?. Secure space reserved for NPC adversaries only. Up to BS spawns in 0.1 sec space. PK'ers are far to efficient at what they do and running agent missions is damn near impossible when you have a group gate camping.
CCP seems unwilling or unable to do anything about it. Griefers are running around shooting up NoObs to get their jollies, gate campers are hanging by gates to make life a misery for anyone below .5 sec space.
I guess my question is.. do we as a PAYING customer base accept this? I had been under the impression when I first joined that PvP would be in 0.0 space only... 0.0 for advanced players, campers, PieRats, people that get wood in causing grief to others can have their way out ther to their hearts content.
Put the good minerals out there in quantity, make it attractive to head out to get rich quick... with the provisio that you take your clone in your own hands to get the money... but for pity's sake, why subject those who want to try different things WITHOUT having to deal with Gate buttwads and general mayhem peckers to these same idiots.
Well, rant over.. this will be flamed .. ignored.. perhaps even a few good suggestions will come of it.. but actual notice from CCP and positive action OR at least an explination as to WHY they let PK'ers run around in empire space?.. LOL.. not bloody likely......
*coughdumbasscough*
c'ya looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooser
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.01.13 04:51:00 -
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Ayar Cachi
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Posted - 2004.01.13 04:53:00 -
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I'd like to *thank* CCP for fixing the silly situation with respect to PvP danger in Empire space.
0.4-0.0 in Empire space is now actually dangerous and interesting to travel through as I run missions, sell my trade goods, and such.
I've even lost a BS in 0.1 empire space and it was a great thing--totally unexpected by me and I sure wasn't 'quipped for it (not that it would have helped anyway, I'm not much of PVP er :)
I was getting worried before Patch that CCP was listening too much to the whiners/c4r3rbe4rs or whatever they are called.
I didn't sign up to play "against" an AI. Nor to travel around space without a little danger. I can do that in other games.
Anyway, thanks CCP. The game is *way* more interesting for me now. More entertaining.
Keep up the increasing numbers on the weekend, that's really great to see more and more people active at once.
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cball
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Posted - 2004.01.13 04:57:00 -
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Get a life, Funky Moneky. You'd only say the samething if it was as you say. Then you'd say, no pk at all. Admit that you're a poor player and press F12
don't troll, it's gets nowhere fast...
PvP is there, it is fine, the sec stat recovery needs work. I think paying a huge fine in isk or skill points would counter the negitive security ratings not regenerating.
...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
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Zen Later
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Posted - 2004.01.13 05:00:00 -
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Welcome to the wonderful universe that is Eve!
PvP in only 0.0? Eee-rrr. That warning window when you jumped into a .4 system you should have read a little better.
Also, contrary to how it may seem, those who you demonize are not in every single low sec system. There are several low sec systems with little or even no activity other than rock sucking and low end NPC killing.
Get rich quick? Been here since near the release and haven't seen that yet though there are get rich in-not-so-much-time ways.
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Funky Monkey
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Posted - 2004.01.13 05:11:00 -
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Like I said.. *more Flame Trolls* than anything else.. but such is life, yep... looser I must be to want a thriving game universe where EVERYONE.. (even the UberKnobs who live to make life crappy for everyone else) can find some fun and interesting things to do. C'est la vie... it is to be expcted..
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Atea
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Posted - 2004.01.13 06:14:00 -
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begone!
seriously, there¦s little enough opportunity for PvP in empire space as it is, with all the sentry guns everywhere.
without PvP this game would have become stale long ago, PvP is one of the supporting pillars of EvE.
if anything, I would like to see more opportunities for PvP in below .4 space... makes hauling stuff MUCH more interesting. what¦s life worth if you don¦t get shot occasionally?
if you don¦t like PvP at all then you¦re probably better off with another MMOG, there¦s a lot of good games with no, or only consensual PvP.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.01.13 06:17:00 -
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...without PvP this game would have become stale long ago, PvP is one of the supporting pillars of EvE.
To you. Not to him.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.01.13 06:31:00 -
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Just curious... does anyone else feel that PvP should be in 0.0 Space only?.
um, no???
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2004.01.13 06:44:00 -
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My feelings are that if anything space is in general, already too safe. A little risk makes things interesting. I'd hate to see concord get any stronger.
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Lola
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Posted - 2004.01.13 07:03:00 -
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Worst idea ever. 
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Kunming
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Posted - 2004.01.13 07:35:00 -
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The main problem before the patch was lag camping, where u couldnt even C ur ship before it gets blown up, but it has been fixed. The sec stats of sysems are k but I find it a bit violent when CONCORD BSs show up in 0.5 space maybe only their cruisers should first come...
Anyway if u want a single player game with low risk try "Freelancer" its pretty much like EVE in the atmosphere...
I'd rather have only 1 active player on the server, than 5000 whining players.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.01.13 08:21:00 -
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How can you camp in 0.4 space, don't the sentries respond?
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Arthur Guinness
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Posted - 2004.01.13 10:47:00 -
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with radio L or Iron L or with whatever proj L ammo you like. pretty easy.
just gank everything you see .... and be happy that it doesn't shot back, else it could actually be a challenge. |
GALAGA
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Posted - 2004.01.13 11:05:00 -
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Dreamworks it is easy,
You sit out 65+ km from the sentry guns and use long range weapons and pop them before they even have a chance to load.
It hasn't been fixed.
Havent you come to a gate, after patch, that has 8-10 Concord sitting there and seen how long it takes you to load before your MWD's and abs kickin?
What funky is experiencing is campers with drones and cans causing even a longer lag, and not having any time at all to respond because it still hasn't been fixed.
These wellskilled lads know this and love the great challenge that this "style" of "fighting".
Heck, I know a planet with 12 rats that i can warp in and pick off with 1 maybe 2 shots from 70km.
Nice for checking my new loadout, but boring and not much skill is involved.
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Junko Willsso
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Posted - 2004.01.13 11:07:00 -
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Sorry this is absurd.
PVP is a part of eve. Saying anyone who PVP's is a griefer is naive and is excluding a large part of the player base.
At the moment it is a good balance, there are parts of space safe, .6 and above and places not so safe .4 and below.
Even in 0.4 - some 0.0 there are sentry guns and travel is still fairly safe.
You are saying that as "PAYING" customers we should not accept PVP in a huge part of the galaxy. (er the PVPers also pay!)
What would that leave us ?!?! A huge galaxy made up of carebear land and dangerous land.
What would be the point in sec ratings ?
Its fine as it is. For people like you who want no risk you can stay in .6+ space, which is a huge expanse. And for those who want a little more risk without having to fight NPC bships we have lower sec systems.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.01.13 11:27:00 -
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Worst. Thread. Ever.
Get a calculator, put in 250, then +, then just keep pressing the + key.
LOOK!! THAT'S ISK YOU'RE MAKING!!
No risk.
Fantastic.
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Etoile Chercheur
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Posted - 2004.01.13 11:30:00 -
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Edited by: Etoile Chercheur on 13/01/2004 11:32:36
i think it's fine the way it is, but i do think that certain issues concerning pkers being able to get away with pod-killing in 1.0 space need to be addressed asap.
it's great that the Lame Ducks have this whole rping thing going, and yes they do frequently loose ships to Concord, fine. but they've admitted to being able to fire missiles at Gallente ships approaching the gates in Luminaire and being able to destroy them, all with Concord just sitting there.
i got targeted, and webified a mere 2700m from the gate, and i'd be willing to bet that those missiles were on their way towards my itty bitty Gallente shuttle. you can imagine how stressful those last 200 meters were to cover, going slower and slower. only lasted a couple seconds, but i made it.
if my shuttle *had* been blown, i would have lost weeks of work. i was carrying a couple of really expensive expanders in the hold, and i'd have been ****ed as hell if they'd just been floating out there for anyone to take. (they claim not to take loot themselves.) not only that, but i'm carrying all five implants in my head. how terrible would a podding have been?
i traveled through Luminaire because it was *safe*. this must be some strange, new meaning to the word "safe" that i wasn't previously aware of...
Midshipman Etoile Chercheur - Logistics Division (M&T) | Hadean Drive Yards
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Qual
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Posted - 2004.01.13 12:25:00 -
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The fact that you can be assasinated even in 1.0 space is what makes this game interesting.
Now we just need to make it so that you cant totally avoid loosing skill points when you die. You should always loose between 1-5% every time you die.
But thats just me...
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Falbala
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Posted - 2004.01.13 12:38:00 -
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In most games you decide if you want PvP or not either by choosing a server or a PvP mode for your character. In eve you don't. It works with the Security Level. This is fine with me.
If it is not fine with you, either because you want no PvP at all or you want it everywhere, then you will force CCP to change rules, maybe by setting a PvP mode, and you will end seeing people mining in 0.0 that you can't attack or allowing PvP everywhere and you will see people killing newbies in beacons...
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Ulendar
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Posted - 2004.01.13 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: Ulendar on 13/01/2004 12:46:41
Want some cheese with your whine?
Ive heard this rave a thousand times and its not good for the game. Games arent always supposed to be EASY, ok. It takes the fun out of them entirely...
Back when EVE first started there were no sentries anywhere. People were even getting killed in 1.0 sometimes and 0.4 and below were dangerous hellholes.
And you know what? I never got bored once when things were like that. Then CCP changed it and i got bored out of my mind because everything was perfectly safe!
Give yourself a couple months of gametime. then tell me again that you want all empire space sealed off.
I'm not going to call you 'that' word yet but you definitly have the potential...so be CAREfull ;)
EDIT: nevermind =/
Originally by: cashman
It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this.
It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.01.13 13:22:00 -
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There is a reason why low security space is called that. If all Empire space was secure from PvP then we would really only have two security types 1.0 and 0.0 and that would make no sense at all.
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