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Judge Ment ECMI	Posted - 2007.06.10 04:46:00 - [91] Nerf the Myrmidon
Gladia Horusthu Gallente Anything Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.10 05:03:00 - [92] Originally by: Herring Oh and I've also found fishing to be a very very good eve alternative when you've just had enough for a bit. Fishing rocks. I even found some freshwater mussels when I went last time. Can you eat those? You can, but if they are any relation to what we have here in Indiana, I'd advise against it if you have other options. The ones here taste pretty bad. Eight thousand years ago they were all the rage, but that was probably due to lack of megafauna in the area, and mussels were very easy to catch. I know members of local Native American tribes in Indiana (Miami, Wea, etc) and none of them claim their ancestors were big freshwater seafood eaters, probably due to ancient stories of how nasty mussels tasted :P
Herculite Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.10 05:34:00 - [93] Originally by: Jim McGregor Are we going to have these threads every day? I seriously think this is being done by a few alt characters who wants to drive their agenda on the forums, and make it look like a lot of players are being suicided. And if its not... and you really are genuine - welcome to Eve. Hope you've learned your lesson. You are not safe anywhere in Eve, just like in real life. Winner. Only reason I read this whine thread was to see if someone else posted this before I did. These threads make me want to suicide gank just out of spite.
Speedy Banana	Posted - 2007.06.10 06:11:00 - [94] Edited by: Speedy Banana on 10/06/2007 06:12:05 Edited by: Speedy Banana on 10/06/2007 06:10:27 Originally by: Jim McGregor Are we going to have these threads every day? I seriously think this is being done by a few alt characters who wants to drive their agenda on the forums, and make it look like a lot of players are being suicided. And if its not... and you really are genuine - welcome to Eve. Hope you've learned your lesson. You are not safe anywhere in Eve, just like in real life. Take it from somebody who has done a bit of suicide ganking... it doesn't happen that often. Even in a system that has over 1000 jumps per hour you will sometimes be there for hours until you find somebody stupid enough to carry 200+ million on a badger 1 on auto-pilot. Doing almost anything else will generate more money over time. I've even lost 150 million isk as a hauler to a suicide ganker. Ever since than I've hauled anywhere from 250-500 million multiple times a day in an iteron 3. I haven't lost a ship since. How? DON'T AUTOPILOT. There is no way to get suicide ganked if you don't auto-pilot. You have 0 risk if you are at the computer. Don't let the game play for you when you are carrying everything you own. And please dont argue with "Ohh by why are only the haulers taking risks?" because only haulers can push a button and have the game play for them. I don't have an auto-suicide gank button. As long as you are at the keyboard like me you also have 0 risk.
Speedy Banana	Posted - 2007.06.10 06:20:00 - [95] Edited by: Speedy Banana on 10/06/2007 06:21:56 Ohh and second.. the OP's story is completely BS. You cannot suicide gank somebody in a myrmidon with concord on that gate. They attack instantly and combined with the sentry guns they will destroy a myrmidon in 1-2 seconds max. You have to suicide gank on an empty gate to give you maybe 10-15 seconds of firing time before concord shows up, because once they do, you will explode faster then it takes your computer to load up the concord ship models (ya.. they do that much damage).
Kage Psychodin Caldari The Empire Nation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.10 06:35:00 - [96] Edited by: Kage Psychodin on 10/06/2007 06:35:49 ___ \| o\|> ---------------kk \ \ \|\_ _ _ --- cordo --e \| \ _\/ - ---con--------- n! \| \ _/\_-----con -------- n! \| \| / -------- -- cordo --e \| _\ \_-------------- kk \|__\| __\| Another one bites the dust.
MotherMoon	Posted - 2007.06.10 06:38:00 - [97] Originally by: Deckard Bishop taken from the player guide : Originally by: Player Guide Don't expect CONCORD to keep you immune to attacks or ship losses. Like in the real world, law enforcers often arrive too late at the scene of the crime, and even though they able to punish the criminal, they can't always prevent the crime. yeah but he was next to concord ships there shuold be a limit to this. if you at a gate in high sec surround by ploice.. actully I have an idea... concord logtisics :)
Speedy Banana	Posted - 2007.06.10 06:44:00 - [98] Originally by: MotherMoon yeah but he was next to concord ships there shuold be a limit to this. if you at a gate in high sec surround by ploice.. No he was not. His story is bs. You cannot gank anything in a myrmidon with concord on the gate already. They attack instantly and combined with sentry guns will blow up a myrmidon in 1-2 seconds max. The only way to suicide gank alone is to camp a gate that doesn't have concord on it, which will give you maybe 10-15 seconds of firing time, because when they do get there, you will blow up before the concord ship models even appear on your screen (yes.. they do that much damage)
MotherMoon	Posted - 2007.06.10 06:44:00 - [99] Originally by: Speedy Banana Edited by: Speedy Banana on 10/06/2007 06:12:05 Edited by: Speedy Banana on 10/06/2007 06:10:27 Originally by: Jim McGregor Are we going to have these threads every day? I seriously think this is being done by a few alt characters who wants to drive their agenda on the forums, and make it look like a lot of players are being suicided. And if its not... and you really are genuine - welcome to Eve. Hope you've learned your lesson. You are not safe anywhere in Eve, just like in real life. Take it from somebody who has done a bit of suicide ganking... it doesn't happen that often. Even in a system that has over 1000 jumps per hour you will sometimes be there for hours until you find somebody stupid enough to carry 200+ million on a badger 1 on auto-pilot. Doing almost anything else will generate more money over time. I've even lost 150 million isk as a hauler to a suicide ganker. Ever since than I've hauled anywhere from 250-500 million multiple times a day in an iteron 3. I haven't lost a ship since. How? DON'T AUTOPILOT. There is no way to get suicide ganked if you don't auto-pilot. You have 0 risk if you are at the computer. Don't let the game play for you when you are carrying everything you own. And please dont argue with "Ohh by why are only the haulers taking risks?" because only haulers can push a button and have the game play for them. I don't have an auto-suicide gank button. As long as you are at the keyboard like me you also have 0 risk. actully he's right if you were at your computer you would of been safe
MotherMoon	Posted - 2007.06.10 06:45:00 - [100] Originally by: Speedy Banana Originally by: MotherMoon yeah but he was next to concord ships there shuold be a limit to this. if you at a gate in high sec surround by ploice.. No he was not. His story is bs. You cannot gank anything in a myrmidon with concord on the gate already. They attack instantly and combined with sentry guns will blow up a myrmidon in 1-2 seconds max. The only way to suicide gank alone is to camp a gate that doesn't have concord on it, which will give you maybe 10-15 seconds of firing time, because when they do get there, you will blow up before the concord ship models even appear on your screen (yes.. they do that much damage) right meaning he wasn't doing anything he was most liekly AFK

Speedy Banana	Posted - 2007.06.10 06:49:00 - [101] Edited by: Speedy Banana on 10/06/2007 06:48:11 Originally by: MotherMoon yeah but he was next to concord ships there shuold be a limit to this. if you at a gate in high sec surround by ploice.. No he was not. His story is bs. You cannot gank anything in a myrmidon with concord on the gate already. They attack instantly and combined with sentry guns will blow up a myrmidon in 1-2 seconds max. The only way to suicide gank alone is to camp a gate that doesn't have concord on it, which will give you maybe 10-15 seconds of firing time, because when they do get there, you will blow up before the concord ship models even appear on your screen (yes.. they do that much damage). Trust me. this is coming from a suicide ganker. The OP has no idea how suicide ganking works and is just making **** up. You cannot kill anything with concord sitting right next to you, unless you have something nuts like a battleship and your target can be taken out in maybe 2-3 seconds. Sentry guns will almost always kill a myrmidon before concord even gets there. I know because I've used myrmidon for ganking people. Even with damage control and 3 energized basic therm/ken/exp plates + shield expanders the sentry guns will probably take you out before concord can get there (15-20 seconds max).
Vicious Phoenix	Posted - 2007.06.10 06:50:00 - [102] WARNING, ANTI-CAREBEAR COMMENTS FOLLOW As has been stated by devs numerous times, the only time you are truly safe is when you are docked. It doesn't matter where you are or what ship you are in, if someone really wants to kill you they will. Try to think of it this way, IRL someone can walk up to you right in front of a dozen cops and blow your brains out with a gun before those cops have a chance to stop them. You can bet that the guy that just killed you will get taken out right quick afterwards, but it's almost impossible to prevent someone from quickly killing you, only killing them quickly afterwards is a sure thing. CFW (Certified Forum Warrior) I kill people ingame too. Originally by: CCP Tuxford I prefer dew over pepsi. I prefer beer over most things. Damn now I want beer.
MotherMoon	Posted - 2007.06.10 06:56:00 - [103] Originally by: Vicious Phoenix WARNING, ANTI-CAREBEAR COMMENTS FOLLOW As has been stated by devs numerous times, the only time you are truly safe is when you are docked. It doesn't matter where you are or what ship you are in, if someone really wants to kill you they will. Try to think of it this way, IRL someone can walk up to you right in front of a dozen cops and blow your brains out with a gun before those cops have a chance to stop them. You can bet that the guy that just killed you will get taken out right quick afterwards, but it's almost impossible to prevent someone from quickly killing you, only killing them quickly afterwards is a sure thing. specialy if that person is off daydreaming (AKA AFK) and doesn't notic as he solwly wolks to the door while someone runs up behind him with a gun right?
Speedy Banana	Posted - 2007.06.10 07:00:00 - [104] Originally by: MotherMoon right meaning he wasn't doing anything he was most liekly AFK Exactly. He basically buys a ton of tech 2 items or ships that are cheap in one region (jita) and hauls them to some high sec station close to 0.0 (Agil, Orvolle, etc) and resells them for 50-100%+ profit. The only hard part, making 10-20 jumps is done by the computer when he hits the auto pilot and goes and watches tv. I'm sorry when you do the math and look at the reality, hauling is whats stupid. I think I have the right to say so considering I turned 500,000 isk into 150 million in 2 weeks on a character with 1.1 million skill points (fresh out of the trial). I wasn't even doing this everyday either, just once every few days for an hour or so. Again, almost all the work was done on autopilot while I was watching a movie or something.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.06.10 07:05:00 - [105] As someone who's logged way, way too many hours in one hauler or another: Six hundred million in an untanked Tech 1 indy. Never, ever, ever do this. I'm a touch uncomfortable if I've got 600 mil in a Freighter. Flying any sort of cargo ship is the rough equivalent of wearing a flashing neon bullseye and taking a stroll on an artillery range. Part of safe hauling, especially with the current potential losses of suicide ganking, is making yourself the least interesting or remarkable target in the sky. Anymore, I tend to put just enough into a hauler that a ganker will take a long, hard look at you but not so much that you become a sure thing. Every second they spend deliberating whether you're worth it or not is another second closer to your drive spinning up and you getting the hell on.
Aioa Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2007.06.10 08:14:00 - [106] Are you lot still going on about this? lol... Look, on the first page of this thread, the OP says he's chilled out and learned his mistake. Ok, thread over. 4 pages later and you're all trotting out the same old crap. You all just love typing your sanctimonious dribble.
Rhedea Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.10 08:36:00 - [107] So sorry, Ok what I hate about this thread is all the nitwits repeating the same answer, enough! mumble mumble Linkage
Valan	Posted - 2007.06.10 09:53:00 - [108] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Valan Edited by: Valan on 09/06/2007 23:37:49 Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Valan Originally by: Elspeth Vigneron I also fit some 400mm Nano Fiber plate in one low slot and I put everything in cans. So when they scan me, they see cans, and they have to say "is it worth it, because I could get nothing." You don't see the cans on a scan, you see what is in them. Actually, you're both wrong- you see nothing. Its a bug, I gather, but neither cans nor their contents apear on a cargo scan. I checked a couple of weeks ago and it was as I said. Is it a permanent bug? Could be lag related due to being in empire. Also 90% of EVE uses giant cans in a hauler to increase capacity due to plank bubbles so that would mean 90% of EVE is safe from ganking as they can't tell what you have. So there is no need for a nerf now because people have an easy fix? You've just solved empire ganking. Your test must be longer ago than you remember, because it's been this way a few months. Read this recent thread, notably the dev response: Originally by: lickspittle My scanning code would only return results from inside containers if the scanning action was falloff based; it only handled non-falloff based scanning as a side-effect. Sometime before December last year someone removed the falloff usage for cargo scanning and since then cargo scanning hasn't been returning those results. I have checked in a fix internally and do not know if it will make it out in the upcoming patch. In which case there is no need for empire ganking fixes atm just use cans. No need for anymore threads spread the word. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.10 11:06:00 - [109] Originally by: Devious Syn [ This made me LoL, I have yet to see someone kill someone in Real life and get compensated for their actions with a brand new tool to go kill again (aka insurance) Clearly you're not familiar with the military, then. We pod pilots are much closer to elite, VIP celebrity soldiers than humble civilians, in the grand scheme of things. The very fact we're pod pilots puts us above 99.999% of the population of New Eden. --------
Kylar Renpurs	Posted - 2007.06.10 11:58:00 - [110] Problem: You protected 600 mil worth of assets with a 1 mil industrial ship. Sure, you could've had 120 mil of cargo expansions on it,, your choice. Solution: Buy a T2 hauler. I'd be surprised if a ganksquad would go to the effort for that one. I lasted almost a minute under fire from 6 BS in an un-tanked one. They cost 40-50 mil. 2 months old and can't fly a T2 hauler? Tough. I couldn't solo lvl 4 missions, manufacture T2 products, mine ice or fly carriers when I was two months old. Improve Market Competition!

Aioa Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2007.06.10 12:05:00 - [111] Guys. I think he gets it.
Firane 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.10 12:49:00 - [112] Emo tear -----
Sgt Blade Save Yourself Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.10 12:57:00 - [113] well firstly you should fly with stuff in secure cargo containers , the second you get blown up you ancor the things and run to get another hualer, that and fly a t2 hauler so you can tank them enough befor concord arrives. as for concord not saving you befor you die..... do you expect the police to stop a killer befor he 'suicides' himself at a shopping centre blasting away at people with a rifle? hes bound to get a kill before they get to him... ofc the only difference is prevention of that happeneing is possible in rl whereas eve you cant really tell if some guy is about to suicide on you Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5
DrAtomic Atomic Heroes The OSS	Posted - 2007.06.10 13:54:00 - [114] Why: 1. Isn't there a module to prevent your cargo from being scanned or greatly reduce the ability of being scanned? 2. Do ships that get Concorded get their insurance paid out? 3. Is ganking noobs in 1.0 considered a bannable offense? 4. Are ships allowed to pick up the ganked loot without any risk? ----------------------------------------------- Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. My Top 10 List
Sc0rpion Archer Daniels Midland	Posted - 2007.06.10 14:55:00 - [115] Originally by: Sgt Blade ofc the only difference is prevention of that happeneing is possible in rl No, it's not. Anyone who tries to tell you they can protect you from a black swan is either deluding themselves, or trying to gain power over you. The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously. -Friedrich Nietzsche Killmails are for pooftas.
Pheonix Kanan	Posted - 2007.06.10 14:58:00 - [116] Edited by: Pheonix Kanan on 10/06/2007 14:57:24 Originally by: Judge Ment Nerf the Myrmidon /signed
Trishan Minmatar Green Men Incorporated The Threshold	Posted - 2007.06.10 15:03:00 - [117] Originally by: Sgt Blade as for concord not saving you befor you die..... do you expect the police to stop a killer befor he 'suicides' himself at a shopping centre blasting away at people with a rifle? hes bound to get a kill before they get to him... ofc the only difference is prevention of that happeneing is possible in rl whereas eve you cant really tell if some guy is about to suicide on you No, but I would expect that: 1. If someone calls the police telling them there's a guy aiming at people with a rifle, they'll go check whats going on. 2. The police does not hand the suicider another rifle after he's gone on a killing spree. 3. The police, at the scene, does not allow a friend of the suicider to just grab whatever he wants from the corpses around, or to just destroy the corpse. Quit looking at RL, this is a game design decision or issue.
Dr Qu Caldari The Renegade Order Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.10 15:27:00 - [118] Originally by: Deckard Bishop taken from the player guide : Originally by: Player Guide Don't expect CONCORD to keep you immune to attacks or ship losses. Like in the real world, law enforcers often arrive too late at the scene of the crime, and even though they able to punish the criminal, they can't always prevent the crime. Well, I think CCP failed to realize something. In the real world, if the law enforcement comes too late to stop the crime, to punish the criminal, the criminal usually never gains a profit from it. Either the lawenforcement impounds the stolen goods, or something else happens to usually gain the victim. Why not alter the way the in game high sec legal system works so that it is more logical. You all claim that how high sec pirates operate today is not an exploit. Sure, they lose their ships, blah blah blah, yakketiyak. But the exploit, if you ask me, is not in attacking another person in high sec. Its using a secondary character not affiliated with the attack to swoop in and suck up the cargo. From all logical standpoints, the fellow who steals the cargo left by a victim to a suicide ganker should be flagged by the legal system as kill on sight to CONCORD, just as the suicide ganker was. Aiding in a criminal act, and all that jazz. One way to do that would be to make the game flag the wreck of a ship blown up by a suicide ganker as CONCORD protected, or just have CONCORD impound the wreck to be released back to its owner (at a fee). With the market flooded with minerals, and the prices for ships so low, suicide ganking means nothing today. The system have become so easily exploited in a way that I seriously doubt it was intended to be. Yes, I said it. Exploit. EXPLOIT! Such a nice word to use. EXPLOIT! I used it, so get over it. I agree with so many other, that this needs to change. Force all those exploiters who fly around in high sec back into low sec or null sec where they belong. As it is, they are sidestepping game mechanics to risk little and gain much, thus eliminating the risk vs reward gambit. On a sidenote, make the rewards of high sec equally low, so that the real rewards lay in going out into low sec (0.4) at a bare minimum. And I am not talking about missions only, but tradegoods and such as well. This could easily be handled by increasing high sec taxes to such a point that it would be more profitable to go to low sec. (High taxes due to increased CONCORD aid when the victim of a criminal act, for example). At any rate, the high sec gankers, exploiting their way through safe space, needs to be smacked back into place.
Valan	Posted - 2007.06.10 15:38:00 - [119] The answer is already in here. Use cans and they cannot see what you have. Equip your ship properly and don't go afk. I've just hauled 3 billion through empire no bother on an alt. Impossible to stop me. If you die its because your lazy or stupid. Some people have to accept they're not very good at the game. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Redpants Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.06.10 15:49:00 - [120] Whoa is the greedy carebear, reduced to only 400 MILLION isk, something must be nerfed. Unfair supreme! "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red."



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