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SealteamXI	Posted - 2007.06.09 14:09:00 - [1] so, happily flying my iteron IV through high sec, a .8 system. I go to warp to the next gate, next thing i know i am popped by a myrmidon, suicided on. I lost 600mil. My total assets come to around 1bil. now 400mil. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN!? WHAT WAS CONCORD DOING? Is this an exploit? To completely ruin another player's 2 months hard work in a supposedly safe part of the game, surrounded by POLICE. EVERYWHERE. Is there any way i can get my stuff back? This has completely ruined eve for me, i'm not sure if i'm going to renew my industrial account because i'm not sure if it's worth my time to build that cash back up.
Terra Mauter Sybrite Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.09 14:10:00 - [2] In my first 2months of eve, 100mil was an unreachable sum for me... Yet your making billions in your first months? Stop complaining.
Akane Miyamoto Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.09 14:11:00 - [3] Quit *****ing, 400mil is enough to start a damn empire now a days --------------- The Miyamotos, Chaper #1
Khnaedra D'Val Black Knight Buccaneers Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.09 14:12:00 - [4] Not an exploit, just more people realising that "safe" space isn't as safe as people expect it to be... Harsh, but true, more people are taking advantage of the people that think a high number in that sec-status field makes them invulnerable. It isn't, it never was, it never will be.
Terranid Meester Knights Hospitalier	Posted - 2007.06.09 14:12:00 - [5] Originally by: SealteamXI Is this an exploit? To completely ruin another player's 2 months hard work in a supposedly safe part of the game, surrounded by POLICE. EVERYWHERE. Quote: Read the other 100 or so topics on this posted in the last week or so, then see if I care.
SealteamXI	Posted - 2007.06.09 14:12:00 - [6] My problem is the fact that i was killed in high sec surrounded by police. Not how much i lost.
SealteamXI	Posted - 2007.06.09 14:14:00 - [7] Originally by: Terra Mauter In my first 2months of eve, 100mil was an unreachable sum for me... Yet your making billions in your first months? Stop complaining. Maybe you weren't as good at it as i am. what do you mean 400mil is enough for an empire? I'm saving my way towards a tech 2 BPO, those are billions each.

Deckard Bishop Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.06.09 14:15:00 - [8] taken from the player guide : Originally by: Player Guide Don't expect CONCORD to keep you immune to attacks or ship losses. Like in the real world, law enforcers often arrive too late at the scene of the crime, and even though they able to punish the criminal, they can't always prevent the crime. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website Contact Support - Report Bug - Join ISD

Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.06.09 14:15:00 - [9] Are we going to have these threads every day? I seriously think this is being done by a few alt characters who wants to drive their agenda on the forums, and make it look like a lot of players are being suicided. And if its not... and you really are genuine - welcome to Eve. Hope you've learned your lesson. You are not safe anywhere in Eve, just like in real life. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Gladia Horusthu Gallente Anything Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.09 14:15:00 - [10] Police exist solely to pop the ships of those who attack you, not to save you. There is no "safe" space. Sec rating on a system merely is an indicator of how rapidly the police show up to kill the aggressor. The police don't care about your cargo or your losses, and they aren't recoverable unless an exploit was used. If it was a Myrmidon against your T1 industrial, doesn't sound like you have much of a case for an exploit.

Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.06.09 14:15:00 - [11] I'm afraid there is nothing you can do, highsec isn't supposed to be completely safe and suicide attacks for loot are entirely allowed. A lot of what your going to hear below this post is going to be people telling you the ingame means to avoid this do exist, such as using T2 haulers, scouts, courier contracts, not using autopilot, ECM, etc (and probably most importantly other people) I've known other people who have had this happen to them, its not so bad and you'll be able to rebuild if you choose to do so. -
Khnaedra D'Val Black Knight Buccaneers Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.09 14:16:00 - [12] Originally by: SealteamXI Originally by: Terra Mauter In my first 2months of eve, 100mil was an unreachable sum for me... Yet your making billions in your first months? Stop complaining. Maybe you weren't as good at it as i am. what do you mean 400mil is enough for an empire? I'm saving my way towards a tech 2 BPO, those are billions each. I guess you'll have to be more careful, in future, and not load all of your assets into one ship......people scan you, and see enough ISK-worth inside your cargo-hold, you WILL be suicide-ganked in Empire......end of story, Empire is safe no longer (not that it ever was, just very few people realised what could be done).
Lardarz B'stard Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.09 14:16:00 - [13] The person who attacked you lost his stuff too. His pet cat might have stepped on the keys and shot u by mistake. You should feel sorry for him as well.
Marquis Dean Demise and Vestige 9th Fleet	Posted - 2007.06.09 14:21:00 - [14] Originally by: SealteamXI I'm saving my way towards a tech 2 BPO, those are billions each. When you buy your BPO, realise where the game is headed, and cry yourself to sleep for a week, can I have your stuff? --- Originally by: Wild Rho I'm having a hard time getting over the irony of spelling "dumb" wrong.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.09 14:25:00 - [15] What i fail to see is how this happens. WArp to zero, aligning, etc...i've never lost a hauler and i move stuff around 0.0->empire all alike. Heck, the other day i moved 10 ships from 0.0 to highsec and lost one vengeance due to not knowing all the game mechanics concerning gates. Always boggles me how someone can lose a hauler in highsec, just, how does it happen? So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.06.09 14:26:00 - [16] Originally by: Jim McGregor Are we going to have these threads every day? I seriously think this is being done by a few alt characters who wants to drive their agenda on the forums, and make it look like a lot of players are being suicided. My sentiments exactly, which is why I would ask the mods to lock all threads about this and put a single sticky thread where the bears can cry about their lost pixels. After all, spamming is against the EULA. /Ki Joy to the world Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
MellaRinn Exit 13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.09 14:28:00 - [17] CIHRS? (can I Have Your Remaining Stuf?) My Vids - Click
Haxa Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.06.09 14:30:00 - [18] Its called "high sec" not "safe sec". Sorry for your loss. For the future, dont carry 600mil worth of stuff in a indy
SealteamXI	Posted - 2007.06.09 14:33:00 - [19] Ah well, cooled off now. Guess it's time to invest in a Transport Ship, not too expensive at all.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.06.09 14:48:00 - [20] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 09/06/2007 14:47:45 Originally by: SealteamXI so, happily flying my iteron IV through high sec, a .8 system. I go to warp to the next gate, next thing i know i am popped by a myrmidon, suicided on. I lost 600mil. My total assets come to around 1bil. now 400mil. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN!? WHAT WAS CONCORD DOING? Is this an exploit? To completely ruin another player's 2 months hard work in a supposedly safe part of the game, surrounded by POLICE. EVERYWHERE. Is there any way i can get my stuff back? This has completely ruined eve for me, i'm not sure if i'm going to renew my industrial account because i'm not sure if it's worth my time to build that cash back up. How can someone be so bright that they earned 1 billion ISK within their first two months ingame, but still so clueless not to understand the simple mechanics of EVE? That is what I am asking myself.. Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11

Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.09 14:59:00 - [21] Originally by: SealteamXI Ah well, cooled off now. Guess it's time to invest in a Transport Ship, not too expensive at all. Cool!
Ralara Caldari Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.09 15:07:00 - [22] Edited by: Ralara on 09/06/2007 15:09:52 Originally by: SealteamXI so, happily flying my iteron IV through high sec, a .8 system. I go to warp to the next gate, next thing i know i am popped by a myrmidon, suicided on. I lost 600mil. My total assets come to around 1bil. now 400mil. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN!? WHAT WAS CONCORD DOING? Is this an exploit? To completely ruin another player's 2 months hard work in a supposedly safe part of the game, surrounded by POLICE. EVERYWHERE. Is there any way i can get my stuff back? This has completely ruined eve for me, i'm not sure if i'm going to renew my industrial account because i'm not sure if it's worth my time to build that cash back up. That's your fault for flying with so much in such a rubbish ship. and yes fly a transport ship. Much more effective. Blockade Runner is good for transporting stuff around. Also interceptors for the odd 1 or 2 units of officer or deadspace.
Giacomo Hawkins Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.09 15:22:00 - [23] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker How can someone be so bright that they earned 1 billion ISK within their first two months ingame, but still so clueless not to understand the simple mechanics of EVE? That is what I am asking myself.. Actually it's surprisingly simple. I earned my first billion in a similar time frame through the market system and industry, which left me somewhat sheltered from the pew-pew side of EVE. Thankfully however, I did read the forums to keep myself appraised of those things which I hadn't dealt with myself, so as to be prepared.
Ash Vincetti Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.06.09 15:27:00 - [24] Originally by: SealteamXI Ah well, cooled off now. Guess it's time to invest in a Transport Ship, not too expensive at all. Yes, this is the right attitude. Right tool for the job and all. While an industrial is capable of carrying large volumes of stuff, it's completely unsuitable for carrying large volumes of valuable stuff. That's what the transports / blockade runners are for, and a careful analysys of profit will tell you what is worth or not worth transporting in large ammounts. Use the smaller blockade runners for lower volume high value, and the larger transports for large volume / medium value. Biggest thing is that you learned from your experience, and will hopefully, not make the same mistake again. ----- Originally by: Barbarellas Daughter "Do you remember the Jiggly Wiggly guy?" "Yes, his thread was hilarious!" "Yeah, and i even posted in it!"
Abye Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.09 15:30:00 - [25] Hauling 600 mil worth of goods in a paperthin ship just BEGS to get you ganked ___ Inappropriate signature. Please do not use this signature. Email us for more information -Eldo ([email protected])
Loyal Servant Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2007.06.09 15:41:00 - [26] Tank your friggin hauler! When his pal shipscans and cargoscans you and sees your tank they will find someone else. Is it really that hard? TSBS - Eve's Premier podding service!
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.06.09 15:43:00 - [27] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Jim McGregor Are we going to have these threads every day? I seriously think this is being done by a few alt characters who wants to drive their agenda on the forums, and make it look like a lot of players are being suicided. My sentiments exactly, which is why I would ask the mods to lock all threads about this and put a single sticky thread where the bears can cry about their lost pixels. After all, spamming is against the EULA. /Ki Funny how it seems the same from the other side of the fence too Fine... Ill play nice
Marine Raider Minmatar Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.06.09 15:54:00 - [28] Had the same thing happen to me a couple days ago. Flying 505mil worth of Mech Enge Datacores for sale and got ganked my a neutron II mega b/c I was slowboating to the gate. Stared at the screen for a couple of minutes, said oh well, closed EvE and went fishing. VT Hokies Ut Prosim
Elmicker The Phoenix Rising Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.09 16:00:00 - [29] Don't fly what you can't afford to lose?
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.09 16:03:00 - [30] Still curious on how this happens. Either really big fleet shoots you really fast? Or there's a "ganksquad" on the gate after you jump in...? Unless these incidents are AFK hauling. So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.

Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.06.09 16:06:00 - [31] NPC corp freighter getting popped by a ganksquad of cheap-fit Dominixes in HIGHSEC (0.5 is still highsec) before CONCORD shows up. True story, even saw a vid of it. Might be able to find it if I search for it, but meh. And that was before the "freighters drop wreck with loot", it was a "revenge action" by some corp. _ New char creation guide \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Sasakisan	Posted - 2007.06.09 16:32:00 - [32] The fact pattern of this incident fits the theory that I discussed in this other thread (click here to see), and I talked about an idea to help prevent these sorts of ganks there too. To the original poster, would the solution suggested in the linked thread above have saved you from accidentally falling into this gank? In another thread about someone who was unexpectedly high sec ganked, I posted some thoughts on how to get CCP to fix mechanics that you may feel are broken (click here to see). My suggestion will only work if a lot of others agree with you, a condition which I feel is satisfied in this case. I imagine that CCP is already all over this. For one thing, there are changes to the Concord response to drones on the test server now. For another, CCP is probably going to want to fix this in support of the ongoing marketing blitz to add 100,000 casual gamers by the end of the year. ---------------------------------------------------------- "Companies can determine what issues their customers care strongly about-issues such as product cost, on-time delivery, product features, and so on. These issues then can be correlated with the processes that most influence them as an aid to creating a priority list of those processes that need reconstruction." From Reengineering the Corporation by Hammer and Champy
Drizit Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.09 16:36:00 - [33] Ruined with ONLY 400 million? Geez, I wish I had 400 million and I've been playing for over 2 years. I guess 375 million means you're flat broke does it? If that the case, I've been playing in the red since I started --
Dave White coracao ardente	Posted - 2007.06.09 16:39:00 - [34] Originally by: Akita T NPC corp freighter getting popped by a ganksquad of cheap-fit Dominixes in HIGHSEC (0.5 is still highsec) before CONCORD shows up. True story, even saw a vid of it. Might be able to find it if I search for it, but meh. And that was before the "freighters drop wreck with loot", it was a "revenge action" by some corp. If your talking about the Outbreak vid (Karma - A Story of revenge), concord did show up and they all died. CORA. Killboard Personal Killboard
Saladin Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.09 16:46:00 - [35] If you are going to load valuables onto an indy, just take some common sense precautions: 1. Use a blockade runner (if not traveling afk) 2. If you are not at keys, put on some passive hardeners and a plate 3. Don't carry your life savings in one go. I could be in front of the White House on Pennsylvania avenue, as 'high sec' as it gets, and I still wouldn't carry all my assets in a clear plastic bag. ----
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.09 16:55:00 - [36] Originally by: SealteamXI so, happily flying my iteron IV through high sec, a .8 system. I go to warp to the next gate, next thing i know i am popped by a myrmidon, suicided on. I lost 600mil. My total assets come to around 1bil. now 400mil. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN!? WHAT WAS CONCORD DOING? Is this an exploit? To completely ruin another player's 2 months hard work in a supposedly safe part of the game, surrounded by POLICE. EVERYWHERE. Is there any way i can get my stuff back? This has completely ruined eve for me, i'm not sure if i'm going to renew my industrial account because i'm not sure if it's worth my time to build that cash back up. Welcome to EvE. You disobeyed several basic rules: (1) Don't fly what you can't afford to lose (2) Don't fly what you can't afford to lose Aaaaaand.... (3) Don't fly what you can't afford to lose! If you're going to cry and whine for rule cheanges and so forth, then all I can say is good, you deserve to lose the lot. If you can suck it up and are prepared to learn from your lesson then you'll get that lot back in a couple of weeks. Hell, put an app in to my corp, we'll try and give you help and advice. Your choice, really.
IDesert FoxI Unknown-Heroes	Posted - 2007.06.09 16:59:00 - [37] 400 mil is ruined _________________________________________ EVE Tribune
Amy Wang	Posted - 2007.06.09 17:02:00 - [38] Flying 600 mil around in an Itty IV is a bad idea, regardless of where. Get an Occator or a freighter for that or use a BS with shield tank and cargo expanders. Even those can be suicided but it takes much more effort to do it and nobody will do it for just 600 mil. If you cant get a ship like above just make several trips with only 100 Mil each or so, so you dont lose everything at once.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.09 17:07:00 - [39] In reply to the original post: When moving high value cargo in ANY space, even 0.5+, use the proper ship (A transport is good) AND (I repeat: "AND") use warp to zero on ALL the gates, even on a 50 jump trip. No afk. Even then, there is still risk. Repeat: "Even then, there is still risk" For the record, I strongly approve of a safer 0.5+ for the empire huggers. Best Idea I've heard is to have zero insurance for any ship that dies while aggroed to concord (regardless of who gets final blow). There would still be suicide ganks, but the "break even" amount would be a LOT higher. Quote: Originally by: CCP kieron If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.
Crazy Tasty Beyond Divinity Inc Blind Beavers	Posted - 2007.06.09 17:09:00 - [40] This is, what, the 4th post this week with almost the exact same scenario? Seems like someone is making up some alts to spam whine's about ganking.

Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.06.09 17:10:00 - [41] I can't believe another loser with a billion isk in assets (which was made in only two months apparently?) doesn't understand how suicide ganking works. How do these alt newbs get here? - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Korizan Oort Cloud Industries	Posted - 2007.06.09 17:21:00 - [42] Originally by: Frug I can't believe another loser with a billion isk in assets (which was made in only two months apparently?) doesn't understand how suicide ganking works. How do these alt newbs get here? Although I don't like ganking and believe it should be more costly on the gankers. I find it hard to believe someone would risk 600 mill in a paper thin ship like a Iteron V . Even in a T2 Transport I would not move those kind of assets. In a freighter I would as it would take ALOT more to take it out. Industrials can be taken out with one or 2 ships and I don't know how many jumps you got but I could not even see a causual pirate passing up a chance at a score like that. They must have thought they hit the mother load. But if you are truely a 2 month old player and managed to get 1 bill isk + in that time your losses are actually small considering the time frame involved. And I know lots of people that would love to know your secret to instant cash in High Sec no less.
Amaarth Viziam	Posted - 2007.06.09 17:28:00 - [43] OP: Your mistake was that you 'assumed'. This was therefore your fault and in no way an exploit.
Del Narveux Obsidian Angels Enterprises	Posted - 2007.06.09 17:36:00 - [44] Arent drones supposed to pop now once concord does finally show up? If so, its not an exploit. Tough loss, but moving a ton of money in a big juicy indy anywhere is asking for trouble...stick with low key and you should be okay. _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
Majestik Gallente Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.06.09 17:42:00 - [45] Originally by: SealteamXI Originally by: Terra Mauter In my first 2months of eve, 100mil was an unreachable sum for me... Yet your making billions in your first months? Stop complaining. Maybe you weren't as good at it as i am. You seem to be good at losing it as well.
annoing Amarr MisFunk Inc. Frontline.	Posted - 2007.06.09 17:51:00 - [46] Originally by: SealteamXI so, happily flying my iteron IV through high sec, a .8 system. I go to warp to the next gate, next thing i know i am popped by a myrmidon, suicided on. I lost 600mil. My total assets come to around 1bil. now 400mil. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN!? WHAT WAS CONCORD DOING? Is this an exploit? To completely ruin another player's 2 months hard work in a supposedly safe part of the game, surrounded by POLICE. EVERYWHERE. Is there any way i can get my stuff back? This has completely ruined eve for me, i'm not sure if i'm going to renew my industrial account because i'm not sure if it's worth my time to build that cash back up. Yup suicide ganking is the new fashion. Lessons to be learnt: NEVER ever stick all your stuff in one hold ALWAYS use secure containers NEVER afk fly if your stuff isnt in secure containers ALWAYS read these forums so you KNOW suicide is the new 'it' thing NEVER come and moan about it cos you'll get no sympathy from the 13yr olds who now frequent these forums ----------------------------------------------- perhaps you confused me with someone who actually gives a funk?
Shakuul Caldari The Imperial Commonwealth The Sundering	Posted - 2007.06.09 17:55:00 - [47] Originally by: Deckard Bishop taken from the player guide : Originally by: Player Guide Don't expect CONCORD to keep you immune to attacks or ship losses. Like in the real world, law enforcers often arrive too late at the scene of the crime, and even though they able to punish the criminal, they can't always prevent the crime. But unlike the real world, Concord lets the theif/aggressor keep your stuff.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.09 18:08:00 - [48] I wrote this in another (identical) thread, and have decided it's well worth copy pasting in to any such threads: Patch's guide to avoiding the gank: 1: Don't go to Jita. Seriously. I know not all ganks happen in Jita, but avoiding a hub like that can do nothing but improve the chances of avoiding instadeath. Only go there if you absolutely have to go, and be bloody careful if you do. 2: If you're going to ferry 2 billion worth of stuff around in Empire, DO NOT do it in something weak enough to be suicide ganked by 2 ships with Ogres! I mean honestly, if you're hauling over a billion isk worth of goods, do it in a ship of appropriate value and toughness. A T2 hauler is infinitely more difficult to suicide bomb than an Iteron III, eliminating most smaller suicide gangs all together. 3: Fit a tank. No, really. Fit a tank on your industrial. Suicide gangs have only a handful of seconds to pop your ship, so they need to bring appropriate force to pop it. Even though an Iteron V with plates isn't exactly going to be winning any duels, if it can last 15 seconds instead of 5, its a success. Again, that little bit extra eliminates the threat of most small gangs all together. 4: Bring a friend. If its really valuable, have someone shadow your hauler with an empty hauler. You get popped? Have them loot the can before the gankers do. If you've followed 2: and 3:, the odds of them having enough fire power left over to gank a second hauler is pretty slim. 5: Don't use AP. If you're carrying billions of isk around, you can afford to make time to sit at your computer for the duration. With WTZ, fully half of all the opportunities for gankers to scan you disappear, seeing as they can only scan you when you're aligning, not when you're slow boating to the gate. 6: Carry your cargo in containers. They are unscannable. No-one will ever suicide gank you if they don't know what you're carrying. If containers are unpalatable, make it a courier mission to yourself and it'll be wrapped in plastic wrapping, also making it unscannable. 7: If you're carrying around small valuables (a couple of bits of officer loot, or a BPO), don't use an industrial. Use a small ship (a T1 frigate, of the speedy variety, does fine) to courier it around. T1 frigs, with a nano on, are invincible in high-sec. Completely invincible. With WTZ, you can't be ganked arriving at a gate. And with the ship's speedy aligning, you can't be ganked departing a gate either. The best thing you can do is dust yourself off, learn any lessons that can be learned, and set about rebuilding your assets. As is EVE. Do that, and you'll be a better EVE player than many. --------
Shiguni Jhi	Posted - 2007.06.09 19:00:00 - [49] I'd love to see CCP authorize a deputy force, a corporation called "Texas Rangers" who could hunt gankers and pirates without worrying about being CONCORDED. Would take some honest and forthright folks, but I bet they're out there. Sort of like the other suggestion made in this forum, have repeat gankers and pirates flagged for free fire anywhere they go. Hunt down the offenders and learn them to stay out of empire.
Sasakisan	Posted - 2007.06.09 19:11:00 - [50] Originally by: Patch86 7: If you're carrying around small valuables (a couple of bits of officer loot, or a BPO), don't use an industrial. Use a small ship (a T1 frigate, of the speedy variety, does fine) to courier it around. T1 frigs, with a nano on, are invincible in high-sec. Completely invincible. With WTZ, you can't be ganked arriving at a gate. And with the ship's speedy aligning, you can't be ganked departing a gate either. Nice guide Patch. In #7, what do you do if your frigate hits one of those 5 minute jump queues? I guess you could try to dock at a station and start traveling again once the jump queue resolves. ---------------------------------------------------------- "What matters in reengineering is how we want to organize work today, given the demand's of today's markets and the power of today's technologies. How people and companies did things yesterday doesn't matter to the business reengineer." From Reengineering the Corporation by Hammer and Champy

Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.09 19:17:00 - [51] Originally by: Sasakisan Originally by: Patch86 7: If you're carrying around small valuables (a couple of bits of officer loot, or a BPO), don't use an industrial. Use a small ship (a T1 frigate, of the speedy variety, does fine) to courier it around. T1 frigs, with a nano on, are invincible in high-sec. Completely invincible. With WTZ, you can't be ganked arriving at a gate. And with the ship's speedy aligning, you can't be ganked departing a gate either. Nice guide Patch. In #7, what do you do if your frigate hits one of those 5 minute jump queues? I guess you could try to dock at a station and start traveling again once the jump queue resolves. Yah, if you get the COUNTER OF DOOM while carrying something extremely valuable, just safe spot it or dock for a little while. No point playing dice and sitting out in the open, if you're carrying your life savings in asset form. --------
Sailon	Posted - 2007.06.09 19:33:00 - [52] i suggest equipping on mid slots largest shield extenders you can get
SasRipper DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2007.06.09 19:36:00 - [53] OMG YOU GOT ATTACKED IN A GREEN ZONE EXPILOT! DONT WORRY MY GUILD IS SEND 20 LEVEL 70S NOW! snip Sas has spoken this tread shall be locked.
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2007.06.09 19:44:00 - [54] How could this happen to me? I made my mistakes, Got nowhere to run, The night goes on as I'm fadddiiiinnnnnn awaay'. Erm, but in all seriousness this is what you get for using an inferior ship for high value cargo transport, use a bustard or something.
chiefyuk Amarr Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.06.09 19:44:00 - [55] Originally by: SealteamXI so, happily flying my iteron IV through high sec, a .8 system. I go to warp to the next gate, next thing i know i am popped by a myrmidon, suicided on. I lost 600mil. My total assets come to around 1bil. now 400mil. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN!? WHAT WAS CONCORD DOING? Is this an exploit? To completely ruin another player's 2 months hard work in a supposedly safe part of the game, surrounded by POLICE. EVERYWHERE. Is there any way i can get my stuff back? This has completely ruined eve for me, i'm not sure if i'm going to renew my industrial account because i'm not sure if it's worth my time to build that cash back up. If i walked around town with a couple of grand in my hands i "would" get mugged... and and... wtf! ive been playing over a year and 200mill is still a lot for me, the life of a pirate is a hard one :( ------------------------------------------------ You can kill the protester but you cant kill the protest ------------------------------------------------
Killwing Minmatar Alcohol Fueled Brutality X-PACT	Posted - 2007.06.09 19:44:00 - [56] Aww,poor little noob carebear,lost your stuff?Guess what noone cept for empire carebears cares at all.Read the forums,they can save you.But is it just me or does it seems like there are alot of rich noobs these days?Or it's much more likely a case of someone got ganked got butt hurt over it,then decided to make a ton of alts to forum whine? ________________________________ The public will more easly fall for a big lie,than for a small one .
annoing Amarr MisFunk Inc. Frontline.	Posted - 2007.06.09 19:48:00 - [57] Originally by: Patch86 4: Bring a friend. If its really valuable, have someone shadow your hauler with an empty hauler. You get popped? Have them loot the can before the gankers do. If you've followed 2: and 3:, the odds of them having enough fire power left over to gank a second hauler is pretty slim. 5: Don't use AP. If you're carrying billions of isk around, you can afford to make time to sit at your computer for the duration. With WTZ, fully half of all the opportunities for gankers to scan you disappear, seeing as they can only scan you when you're aligning, not when you're slow boating to the gate. 6: Carry your cargo in containers. They are unscannable. No-one will ever suicide gank you if they don't know what you're carrying. If containers are unpalatable, make it a courier mission to yourself and it'll be wrapped in plastic wrapping, also making it unscannable. 7: If you're carrying around small valuables (a couple of bits of officer loot, or a BPO), don't use an industrial. Use a small ship (a T1 frigate, of the speedy variety, does fine) to courier it around. T1 frigs, with a nano on, are invincible in high-sec. Completely invincible. With WTZ, you can't be ganked arriving at a gate. And with the ship's speedy aligning, you can't be ganked departing a gate either. and these are the very same reasons why CCP will NEVER stop suicide ganking. Only noobs and the terminally stupid (thx Darwin for letting us know who they so they can be weeded out) carry all their stuff about without taking precautions. Learn from this, take more care and if you are clever enough to make 1bill in 2 months, think how much more you can make in 3 ----------------------------------------------- perhaps you confused me with someone who actually gives a funk?
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2007.06.09 19:54:00 - [58] Originally by: Killwing Aww,poor little noob carebear,lost your stuff?Guess what noone cept for empire carebears cares at all. As an empire carebear I deny caring in the slightest.
Haffrage Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.09 19:59:00 - [59] Crap! I saw those wrecks in Niarja! I almost salvaged them, but couldn't be hassled because I had valuables in my T2 indy and had to hurry because people might try to kill me Now that you made a post about it I might go back to salvage and let you know the stuff I get. ----- Tech 2 Tier 2 Battlecruisers
Aioa Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2007.06.09 20:10:00 - [60] Originally by: RuleoftheBone Originally by: SealteamXI Ah well, cooled off now. Guess it's time to invest in a Transport Ship, not too expensive at all. Thats better....I was actually starting to wonder why you would have the name you do and still be complaining. Good attitude for a change Exactly, so can everyone else please change the freaking record and give the guy a break?

turnschuh Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2007.06.09 20:11:00 - [61] the Irony is if people wouldnt whine that mutch, a lot less people would do it.
Elspeth Vigneron Caldari Phoenix Logistics Industries	Posted - 2007.06.09 20:13:00 - [62] Originally by: SealteamXI so, happily flying my iteron IV through high sec, a .8 system. I go to warp to the next gate, next thing i know i am popped by a myrmidon, suicided on. I lost 600mil. My total assets come to around 1bil. now 400mil. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN!? WHAT WAS CONCORD DOING? Is this an exploit? To completely ruin another player's 2 months hard work in a supposedly safe part of the game, surrounded by POLICE. EVERYWHERE. Is there any way i can get my stuff back? This has completely ruined eve for me, i'm not sure if i'm going to renew my industrial account because i'm not sure if it's worth my time to build that cash back up. Ah. You need to harden your ship. I use an Iteron IV to transport mission running loot. I fit a shield extender and some Tech II sheild reistance amplifiers in mine. Plus I trained up my shield compensation skills so my resistances are working without me having to turn them on in the heat of battle. I also fit some 400mm Nano Fiber plate in one low slot and I put everything in cans. So when they scan me, they see cans, and they have to say "is it worth it, because I could get nothing." In total, I have about 1600 more HPs than the stock Iternon. Plus my resists are good and are "on" all the time. And so far, I've had two "OMFG HE'S RED" situations, neither of which was successful. Which suits me fine. And, maybe, someone who's better is going to try me during the next week and I'll pop. But if they don't, I'll be in a hardened Occator. Phoenix Logistics Industries 01010000010100100100010101010000010000010101001 00100010100100000010101000100111100100000010001 000100100101000101001011000010000
Dal Thrax Caldari Multiverse Corporation The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.06.09 20:17:00 - [63] Originally by: Jim McGregor Are we going to have these threads every day? I seriously think this is being done by a few alt characters who wants to drive their agenda on the forums, and make it look like a lot of players are being suicided. And if its not... and you really are genuine - welcome to Eve. Hope you've learned your lesson. You are not safe anywhere in Eve, just like in real life. No lots of folks are being suicided. Tbh it's getting a little bit annoying. I know a guy who had is hauler popped by a suicide Brutix for all the 100m in cargo. Quite frankly I'm wondering if it wouldn't be worthwild just to set up some kind of shield tanking BS as a cargo carrier. Dal Things I learned playing PnP RPGs: 1)Always assume that the players will bring the maximum available firepower against a peaceful objective.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.06.09 20:19:00 - [64] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/06/2007 20:19:41 Originally by: Dal Thrax Originally by: Jim McGregor Are we going to have these threads every day? I seriously think this is being done by a few alt characters who wants to drive their agenda on the forums, and make it look like a lot of players are being suicided. And if its not... and you really are genuine - welcome to Eve. Hope you've learned your lesson. You are not safe anywhere in Eve, just like in real life. No lots of folks are being suicided. Tbh it's getting a little bit annoying. I know a guy who had is hauler popped by a suicide Brutix for all the 100m in cargo. Quite frankly I'm wondering if it wouldn't be worthwild just to set up some kind of shield tanking BS as a cargo carrier. Dal I guess its possible that these days, new players are more ignorant than the ones before them, since suicide attacks suddenly seem very profitable. I used to think that very few people put 100 million isk in a t1 hauler, but apparently, its pretty common.. It didnt used to be this common, so what changed if its not the playerbase? In any case, im glad empire sees some action and people are having fun. You cant protect people from not using their minds. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Lag Hon Minmatar Enar Nine	Posted - 2007.06.09 20:28:00 - [65] Originally by: Lardarz B'stard The person who attacked you lost his stuff too. His pet cat might have stepped on the keys and shot u by mistake. You should feel sorry for him as well. Heh, Id be feeling more sorry for the cat Quote: There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power governments, and tyrants, and armies can not stand. G'Kar
Elspeth Vigneron Caldari Phoenix Logistics Industries	Posted - 2007.06.09 20:31:00 - [66] Originally by: Jim McGregorIt didnt used to be this common, so what changed if its not the playerbase? In any case, im glad empire sees some action and people are having fun. You cant protect people from not using their minds. [/quote Personally, I believe it was the change in mineral prices. Used to be I'd go low-sec mining with my other character. Fit out a cruiser-miner or a battleship-miner and have at it because even though I lost the odd ship, insurance paid me back and, in the long run, I ended up making considerably more the isk. Now, the low-sec ores are, by-and-large, worth less than the high-sec ores. So why bother to go to low-sec to mine Scordite & Kernite? You can mine it all over Amarr territory with little hassle or risk. Phoenix Logistics Industries 01010000010100100100010101010000010000010101001 00100010100100000010101000100111100100000010001 000100100101000101001011000010000
Valan	Posted - 2007.06.09 22:08:00 - [67] Originally by: Elspeth Vigneron I also fit some 400mm Nano Fiber plate in one low slot and I put everything in cans. So when they scan me, they see cans, and they have to say "is it worth it, because I could get nothing." You don't see the cans on a scan, you see what is in them. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.09 22:11:00 - [68] Originally by: Valan Originally by: Elspeth Vigneron I also fit some 400mm Nano Fiber plate in one low slot and I put everything in cans. So when they scan me, they see cans, and they have to say "is it worth it, because I could get nothing." You don't see the cans on a scan, you see what is in them. Actually, you're both wrong- you see nothing. Its a bug, I gather, but neither cans nor their contents apear on a cargo scan. --------
mechtech Entropy Industries	Posted - 2007.06.09 22:16:00 - [69] The possibility of suicide ganking should be mentioned in the tutorial. As it stands, too many people get killed in high sec while having no idea that this was even a possibility. And don't think a transport ship will keep you totally safe either, although it might take 4 myrms to kill you now...
Miss Anthropy School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.06.09 22:20:00 - [70] Originally by: Terra Mauter In my first 2months of eve, 100mil was an unreachable sum for me... Yet your making billions in your first months? Stop complaining. Maybe he bought it.

Valan	Posted - 2007.06.09 23:33:00 - [71] Edited by: Valan on 09/06/2007 23:37:49 Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Valan Originally by: Elspeth Vigneron I also fit some 400mm Nano Fiber plate in one low slot and I put everything in cans. So when they scan me, they see cans, and they have to say "is it worth it, because I could get nothing." You don't see the cans on a scan, you see what is in them. Actually, you're both wrong- you see nothing. Its a bug, I gather, but neither cans nor their contents apear on a cargo scan. I checked a couple of weeks ago and it was as I said. Is it a permanent bug? Could be lag related due to being in empire. Also 90% of EVE uses giant cans in a hauler to increase capacity due to plank bubbles so that would mean 90% of EVE is safe from ganking as they can't tell what you have. So there is no need for a nerf now because people have an easy fix? You've just solved empire ganking. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.09 23:41:00 - [72] I laugh at the n00b! Hire -HsC- while travelling in Heimatar Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2007.06.10 00:28:00 - [73] Originally by: SealteamXI HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN!? WHAT WAS CONCORD DOING? How can this happen? Answer: It happens when the guy locks your ship, scans it, then blows it up to kingdom come, because you have allot of goodies in your hold. What was CONCORD doing? Answer: CONCORD was shooting the guy who shot you, they were punishing him for the hostile action against you. And some wisdom: Never, ever, ever, ever do - "happily flying Iteron IV" thing - with 600 million ISK worth of assets in it; someone will pop you even in Empire. CONCORD does not protect the innocent, CONCORD punishes the guilty, thats their job, nothing more, and nothing less.
Hammer Judge Gallente Southern Cross Incorporated Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.10 00:36:00 - [74] This is such a good point. It should be in the Tutorial. Some players are just fooled into thinking 'high-sec' and Concord is analogous to safety, like a PvE World of Warcraft server. I've added a page in my gamer newbie guide that has taken those 7 points of advice earlier. - My newbie guide for experienced MMO gamers.
MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.10 00:46:00 - [75] Since when do criminals get insurance back
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2007.06.10 00:52:00 - [76] Originally by: MehTheTrader Since when do criminals get insurance back That is a whole different sack of apples. At this time, EVE insurance system does not discriminate against people with antisocial tendencies or the criminal records.
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2007.06.10 01:01:00 - [77] It's a bug / completely screwed up game mechanic that CONCORD disables every gun / ECM / targeting except drones, so people can use drone ships to suicide gank people in safe empire. Petition it ...
Jaabaa Minmatar Dental Drilling Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.10 01:01:00 - [78] Edited by: Jaabaa on 10/06/2007 01:00:52 Originally by: SealteamXI so, happily flying my iteron IV through high sec, a .8 system. I go to warp to the next gate, next thing i know i am popped by a myrmidon, suicided on. I lost 600mil. My total assets come to around 1bil. now 400mil. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN!? WHAT WAS CONCORD DOING? Is this an exploit? To completely ruin another player's 2 months hard work in a supposedly safe part of the game, surrounded by POLICE. EVERYWHERE. Is there any way i can get my stuff back? This has completely ruined eve for me, i'm not sure if i'm going to renew my industrial account because i'm not sure if it's worth my time to build that cash back up. Sorry, but If i would have had 1 billion ISK after playing EVE 3 months from release, I think I would be emperor of 0.0 by now, especially if you take inflation into account Don't expect any sympathy from us old farts, and go play something else. -- Jaabaa - CEO - Dental Drilling Corporation
Nick Curso Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.10 01:03:00 - [79] damn stop wingeing ive been playing neally 4 years and i have 20 mil \o/. Your signature was inappropriate, email us at [email protected] to find out why (and don't forget to include a link to it) -Sahwoolo
Morhon Amarr Aegis Starship Enterprises	Posted - 2007.06.10 01:27:00 - [80] Edited by: Morhon on 10/06/2007 01:32:20 Here is a thought; put your cargo in password protected giant secure contaniers. If u get scanned by people all they will see is containers and if they kill you all they will gain is containers they can't access I have never been the victim of such a thing but the game does provide ways to avoid it if u cba to perpare for it. Does my bum look big in this cape?

Gojyu	Posted - 2007.06.10 01:31:00 - [81] Also, if you're transporting high cost low volume stuff such as implants, skillbooks, rigs or circuits try a different route entirely, pop them in an interceptor. I honestly can't see how it would be possible to be suicide ganked in one (you can't stick an interdicter bubble in high sec)
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.10 01:35:00 - [82] Originally by: Valan Edited by: Valan on 09/06/2007 23:37:49 Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Valan Originally by: Elspeth Vigneron I also fit some 400mm Nano Fiber plate in one low slot and I put everything in cans. So when they scan me, they see cans, and they have to say "is it worth it, because I could get nothing." You don't see the cans on a scan, you see what is in them. Actually, you're both wrong- you see nothing. Its a bug, I gather, but neither cans nor their contents apear on a cargo scan. I checked a couple of weeks ago and it was as I said. Is it a permanent bug? Could be lag related due to being in empire. Also 90% of EVE uses giant cans in a hauler to increase capacity due to plank bubbles so that would mean 90% of EVE is safe from ganking as they can't tell what you have. So there is no need for a nerf now because people have an easy fix? You've just solved empire ganking. Your test must be longer ago than you remember, because it's been this way a few months. Read this recent thread, notably the dev response: Originally by: lickspittle My scanning code would only return results from inside containers if the scanning action was falloff based; it only handled non-falloff based scanning as a side-effect. Sometime before December last year someone removed the falloff usage for cargo scanning and since then cargo scanning hasn't been returning those results. I have checked in a fix internally and do not know if it will make it out in the upcoming patch. --------
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.10 03:09:00 - [83] Edited by: Arron S on 10/06/2007 03:09:51 i'd invest in a transport ship, Occators have a really good tank on them. But still *******s would still pop you, No matter what. Which is why I am no longer going to be selling battleships in empire to keep em out of the hands of hi-sec gankers.. I'd just move to low sec empire, Most Sucide gankers are to coward to go into low sec areas/
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.10 03:51:00 - [84] empire suicide ganking is just lame. im sorry for your loss.
Warrio Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.10 04:01:00 - [85] Who the hell suicide ganks in a Myrmidon? I mean, thats pretty much what the harbinger is made for. Sig removed due to being too freaking awsome. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Deckard Cain
Herring Pimpology Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.06.10 04:05:00 - [86] Originally by: Marine Raider Had the same thing happen to me a couple days ago. Flying 505mil worth of Mech Enge Datacores for sale and got ganked my a neutron II mega b/c I was slowboating to the gate. Stared at the screen for a couple of minutes, said oh well, closed EvE and went fishing. ^^ Listen to this dude, he's got the right attitude for the game. Loss is part of the game. Loss teaches you to adapt. You figure out what you did wrong, and start again. Oh and I've also found fishing to be a very very good eve alternative when you've just had enough for a bit. Fishing rocks. I even found some freshwater mussels when I went last time. Can you eat those?
Raevenor GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.10 04:10:00 - [87] Originally by: SealteamXI so, happily flying my iteron IV through high sec, a .8 system. I go to warp to the next gate, next thing i know i am popped by a myrmidon, suicided on. I lost 600mil. My total assets come to around 1bil. now 400mil. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN!? WHAT WAS CONCORD DOING? Is this an exploit? To completely ruin another player's 2 months hard work in a supposedly safe part of the game, surrounded by POLICE. EVERYWHERE. Is there any way i can get my stuff back? This has completely ruined eve for me, i'm not sure if i'm going to renew my industrial account because i'm not sure if it's worth my time to build that cash back up. Serves you right not using a scout. Sir you now the meaning of what it is, to be owned.
Rilder Caldari THC LTD	Posted - 2007.06.10 04:21:00 - [88] Can't say I've been suicide ganked, yet, Though I'm infinite cheapskate and if you do gank me all your gonna get is t1 crap with the odd named, maybe a t2 if your really lucky, and I WTZ 90% of the time unless i'm in a ceptor with an AB and even then i'm at the controls, these are dark days in new-eden, have to be as careful as possible, even when carrying that module worth like 100k to fit on my Rokh... Heck I haven't even been scanned yet, actually once while hanging with my corp m8's before a mission but we warped away right away before they could warp in there suicide ships... ---------- -Rilder Visit my blog =) http://rilderslog.blogspot.com/
Devious Syn	Posted - 2007.06.10 04:37:00 - [89] Originally by: Deckard Bishop taken from the player guide : Originally by: Player Guide Don't expect CONCORD to keep you immune to attacks or ship losses. Like in the real world, law enforcers often arrive too late at the scene of the crime, and even though they able to punish the criminal, they can't always prevent the crime. This made me LoL, I have yet to see someone kill someone in Real life and get compensated for their actions with a brand new tool to go kill again (aka insurance)
Kage Psychodin Caldari The Empire Nation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.10 04:39:00 - [90] I'm confused. for a second I thought he meant that concord was AT the gate (the standard concord that hover around many gates) and that THOSE didn't immediatly lock and make the myrmidon player squeal like their personal boy toy. I'm not sure, I always thought if you saw concord at the gate those would immediatly assist you. Another one bites the dust.

Judge Ment ECMI	Posted - 2007.06.10 04:46:00 - [91] Nerf the Myrmidon
Gladia Horusthu Gallente Anything Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.10 05:03:00 - [92] Originally by: Herring Oh and I've also found fishing to be a very very good eve alternative when you've just had enough for a bit. Fishing rocks. I even found some freshwater mussels when I went last time. Can you eat those? You can, but if they are any relation to what we have here in Indiana, I'd advise against it if you have other options. The ones here taste pretty bad. Eight thousand years ago they were all the rage, but that was probably due to lack of megafauna in the area, and mussels were very easy to catch. I know members of local Native American tribes in Indiana (Miami, Wea, etc) and none of them claim their ancestors were big freshwater seafood eaters, probably due to ancient stories of how nasty mussels tasted :P
Herculite Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.10 05:34:00 - [93] Originally by: Jim McGregor Are we going to have these threads every day? I seriously think this is being done by a few alt characters who wants to drive their agenda on the forums, and make it look like a lot of players are being suicided. And if its not... and you really are genuine - welcome to Eve. Hope you've learned your lesson. You are not safe anywhere in Eve, just like in real life. Winner. Only reason I read this whine thread was to see if someone else posted this before I did. These threads make me want to suicide gank just out of spite.
Speedy Banana	Posted - 2007.06.10 06:11:00 - [94] Edited by: Speedy Banana on 10/06/2007 06:12:05 Edited by: Speedy Banana on 10/06/2007 06:10:27 Originally by: Jim McGregor Are we going to have these threads every day? I seriously think this is being done by a few alt characters who wants to drive their agenda on the forums, and make it look like a lot of players are being suicided. And if its not... and you really are genuine - welcome to Eve. Hope you've learned your lesson. You are not safe anywhere in Eve, just like in real life. Take it from somebody who has done a bit of suicide ganking... it doesn't happen that often. Even in a system that has over 1000 jumps per hour you will sometimes be there for hours until you find somebody stupid enough to carry 200+ million on a badger 1 on auto-pilot. Doing almost anything else will generate more money over time. I've even lost 150 million isk as a hauler to a suicide ganker. Ever since than I've hauled anywhere from 250-500 million multiple times a day in an iteron 3. I haven't lost a ship since. How? DON'T AUTOPILOT. There is no way to get suicide ganked if you don't auto-pilot. You have 0 risk if you are at the computer. Don't let the game play for you when you are carrying everything you own. And please dont argue with "Ohh by why are only the haulers taking risks?" because only haulers can push a button and have the game play for them. I don't have an auto-suicide gank button. As long as you are at the keyboard like me you also have 0 risk.
Speedy Banana	Posted - 2007.06.10 06:20:00 - [95] Edited by: Speedy Banana on 10/06/2007 06:21:56 Ohh and second.. the OP's story is completely BS. You cannot suicide gank somebody in a myrmidon with concord on that gate. They attack instantly and combined with the sentry guns they will destroy a myrmidon in 1-2 seconds max. You have to suicide gank on an empty gate to give you maybe 10-15 seconds of firing time before concord shows up, because once they do, you will explode faster then it takes your computer to load up the concord ship models (ya.. they do that much damage).
Kage Psychodin Caldari The Empire Nation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.10 06:35:00 - [96] Edited by: Kage Psychodin on 10/06/2007 06:35:49 ___ \| o\|> ---------------kk \ \ \|\_ _ _ --- cordo --e \| \ _\/ - ---con--------- n! \| \ _/\_-----con -------- n! \| \| / -------- -- cordo --e \| _\ \_-------------- kk \|__\| __\| Another one bites the dust.
MotherMoon	Posted - 2007.06.10 06:38:00 - [97] Originally by: Deckard Bishop taken from the player guide : Originally by: Player Guide Don't expect CONCORD to keep you immune to attacks or ship losses. Like in the real world, law enforcers often arrive too late at the scene of the crime, and even though they able to punish the criminal, they can't always prevent the crime. yeah but he was next to concord ships there shuold be a limit to this. if you at a gate in high sec surround by ploice.. actully I have an idea... concord logtisics :)
Speedy Banana	Posted - 2007.06.10 06:44:00 - [98] Originally by: MotherMoon yeah but he was next to concord ships there shuold be a limit to this. if you at a gate in high sec surround by ploice.. No he was not. His story is bs. You cannot gank anything in a myrmidon with concord on the gate already. They attack instantly and combined with sentry guns will blow up a myrmidon in 1-2 seconds max. The only way to suicide gank alone is to camp a gate that doesn't have concord on it, which will give you maybe 10-15 seconds of firing time, because when they do get there, you will blow up before the concord ship models even appear on your screen (yes.. they do that much damage)
MotherMoon	Posted - 2007.06.10 06:44:00 - [99] Originally by: Speedy Banana Edited by: Speedy Banana on 10/06/2007 06:12:05 Edited by: Speedy Banana on 10/06/2007 06:10:27 Originally by: Jim McGregor Are we going to have these threads every day? I seriously think this is being done by a few alt characters who wants to drive their agenda on the forums, and make it look like a lot of players are being suicided. And if its not... and you really are genuine - welcome to Eve. Hope you've learned your lesson. You are not safe anywhere in Eve, just like in real life. Take it from somebody who has done a bit of suicide ganking... it doesn't happen that often. Even in a system that has over 1000 jumps per hour you will sometimes be there for hours until you find somebody stupid enough to carry 200+ million on a badger 1 on auto-pilot. Doing almost anything else will generate more money over time. I've even lost 150 million isk as a hauler to a suicide ganker. Ever since than I've hauled anywhere from 250-500 million multiple times a day in an iteron 3. I haven't lost a ship since. How? DON'T AUTOPILOT. There is no way to get suicide ganked if you don't auto-pilot. You have 0 risk if you are at the computer. Don't let the game play for you when you are carrying everything you own. And please dont argue with "Ohh by why are only the haulers taking risks?" because only haulers can push a button and have the game play for them. I don't have an auto-suicide gank button. As long as you are at the keyboard like me you also have 0 risk. actully he's right if you were at your computer you would of been safe
MotherMoon	Posted - 2007.06.10 06:45:00 - [100] Originally by: Speedy Banana Originally by: MotherMoon yeah but he was next to concord ships there shuold be a limit to this. if you at a gate in high sec surround by ploice.. No he was not. His story is bs. You cannot gank anything in a myrmidon with concord on the gate already. They attack instantly and combined with sentry guns will blow up a myrmidon in 1-2 seconds max. The only way to suicide gank alone is to camp a gate that doesn't have concord on it, which will give you maybe 10-15 seconds of firing time, because when they do get there, you will blow up before the concord ship models even appear on your screen (yes.. they do that much damage) right meaning he wasn't doing anything he was most liekly AFK

Speedy Banana	Posted - 2007.06.10 06:49:00 - [101] Edited by: Speedy Banana on 10/06/2007 06:48:11 Originally by: MotherMoon yeah but he was next to concord ships there shuold be a limit to this. if you at a gate in high sec surround by ploice.. No he was not. His story is bs. You cannot gank anything in a myrmidon with concord on the gate already. They attack instantly and combined with sentry guns will blow up a myrmidon in 1-2 seconds max. The only way to suicide gank alone is to camp a gate that doesn't have concord on it, which will give you maybe 10-15 seconds of firing time, because when they do get there, you will blow up before the concord ship models even appear on your screen (yes.. they do that much damage). Trust me. this is coming from a suicide ganker. The OP has no idea how suicide ganking works and is just making **** up. You cannot kill anything with concord sitting right next to you, unless you have something nuts like a battleship and your target can be taken out in maybe 2-3 seconds. Sentry guns will almost always kill a myrmidon before concord even gets there. I know because I've used myrmidon for ganking people. Even with damage control and 3 energized basic therm/ken/exp plates + shield expanders the sentry guns will probably take you out before concord can get there (15-20 seconds max).
Vicious Phoenix	Posted - 2007.06.10 06:50:00 - [102] WARNING, ANTI-CAREBEAR COMMENTS FOLLOW As has been stated by devs numerous times, the only time you are truly safe is when you are docked. It doesn't matter where you are or what ship you are in, if someone really wants to kill you they will. Try to think of it this way, IRL someone can walk up to you right in front of a dozen cops and blow your brains out with a gun before those cops have a chance to stop them. You can bet that the guy that just killed you will get taken out right quick afterwards, but it's almost impossible to prevent someone from quickly killing you, only killing them quickly afterwards is a sure thing. CFW (Certified Forum Warrior) I kill people ingame too. Originally by: CCP Tuxford I prefer dew over pepsi. I prefer beer over most things. Damn now I want beer.
MotherMoon	Posted - 2007.06.10 06:56:00 - [103] Originally by: Vicious Phoenix WARNING, ANTI-CAREBEAR COMMENTS FOLLOW As has been stated by devs numerous times, the only time you are truly safe is when you are docked. It doesn't matter where you are or what ship you are in, if someone really wants to kill you they will. Try to think of it this way, IRL someone can walk up to you right in front of a dozen cops and blow your brains out with a gun before those cops have a chance to stop them. You can bet that the guy that just killed you will get taken out right quick afterwards, but it's almost impossible to prevent someone from quickly killing you, only killing them quickly afterwards is a sure thing. specialy if that person is off daydreaming (AKA AFK) and doesn't notic as he solwly wolks to the door while someone runs up behind him with a gun right?
Speedy Banana	Posted - 2007.06.10 07:00:00 - [104] Originally by: MotherMoon right meaning he wasn't doing anything he was most liekly AFK Exactly. He basically buys a ton of tech 2 items or ships that are cheap in one region (jita) and hauls them to some high sec station close to 0.0 (Agil, Orvolle, etc) and resells them for 50-100%+ profit. The only hard part, making 10-20 jumps is done by the computer when he hits the auto pilot and goes and watches tv. I'm sorry when you do the math and look at the reality, hauling is whats stupid. I think I have the right to say so considering I turned 500,000 isk into 150 million in 2 weeks on a character with 1.1 million skill points (fresh out of the trial). I wasn't even doing this everyday either, just once every few days for an hour or so. Again, almost all the work was done on autopilot while I was watching a movie or something.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.06.10 07:05:00 - [105] As someone who's logged way, way too many hours in one hauler or another: Six hundred million in an untanked Tech 1 indy. Never, ever, ever do this. I'm a touch uncomfortable if I've got 600 mil in a Freighter. Flying any sort of cargo ship is the rough equivalent of wearing a flashing neon bullseye and taking a stroll on an artillery range. Part of safe hauling, especially with the current potential losses of suicide ganking, is making yourself the least interesting or remarkable target in the sky. Anymore, I tend to put just enough into a hauler that a ganker will take a long, hard look at you but not so much that you become a sure thing. Every second they spend deliberating whether you're worth it or not is another second closer to your drive spinning up and you getting the hell on.
Aioa Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2007.06.10 08:14:00 - [106] Are you lot still going on about this? lol... Look, on the first page of this thread, the OP says he's chilled out and learned his mistake. Ok, thread over. 4 pages later and you're all trotting out the same old crap. You all just love typing your sanctimonious dribble.
Rhedea Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.10 08:36:00 - [107] So sorry, Ok what I hate about this thread is all the nitwits repeating the same answer, enough! mumble mumble Linkage
Valan	Posted - 2007.06.10 09:53:00 - [108] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Valan Edited by: Valan on 09/06/2007 23:37:49 Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Valan Originally by: Elspeth Vigneron I also fit some 400mm Nano Fiber plate in one low slot and I put everything in cans. So when they scan me, they see cans, and they have to say "is it worth it, because I could get nothing." You don't see the cans on a scan, you see what is in them. Actually, you're both wrong- you see nothing. Its a bug, I gather, but neither cans nor their contents apear on a cargo scan. I checked a couple of weeks ago and it was as I said. Is it a permanent bug? Could be lag related due to being in empire. Also 90% of EVE uses giant cans in a hauler to increase capacity due to plank bubbles so that would mean 90% of EVE is safe from ganking as they can't tell what you have. So there is no need for a nerf now because people have an easy fix? You've just solved empire ganking. Your test must be longer ago than you remember, because it's been this way a few months. Read this recent thread, notably the dev response: Originally by: lickspittle My scanning code would only return results from inside containers if the scanning action was falloff based; it only handled non-falloff based scanning as a side-effect. Sometime before December last year someone removed the falloff usage for cargo scanning and since then cargo scanning hasn't been returning those results. I have checked in a fix internally and do not know if it will make it out in the upcoming patch. In which case there is no need for empire ganking fixes atm just use cans. No need for anymore threads spread the word. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.10 11:06:00 - [109] Originally by: Devious Syn [ This made me LoL, I have yet to see someone kill someone in Real life and get compensated for their actions with a brand new tool to go kill again (aka insurance) Clearly you're not familiar with the military, then. We pod pilots are much closer to elite, VIP celebrity soldiers than humble civilians, in the grand scheme of things. The very fact we're pod pilots puts us above 99.999% of the population of New Eden. --------
Kylar Renpurs	Posted - 2007.06.10 11:58:00 - [110] Problem: You protected 600 mil worth of assets with a 1 mil industrial ship. Sure, you could've had 120 mil of cargo expansions on it,, your choice. Solution: Buy a T2 hauler. I'd be surprised if a ganksquad would go to the effort for that one. I lasted almost a minute under fire from 6 BS in an un-tanked one. They cost 40-50 mil. 2 months old and can't fly a T2 hauler? Tough. I couldn't solo lvl 4 missions, manufacture T2 products, mine ice or fly carriers when I was two months old. Improve Market Competition!

Aioa Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2007.06.10 12:05:00 - [111] Guys. I think he gets it.
Firane 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.10 12:49:00 - [112] Emo tear -----
Sgt Blade Save Yourself Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.10 12:57:00 - [113] well firstly you should fly with stuff in secure cargo containers , the second you get blown up you ancor the things and run to get another hualer, that and fly a t2 hauler so you can tank them enough befor concord arrives. as for concord not saving you befor you die..... do you expect the police to stop a killer befor he 'suicides' himself at a shopping centre blasting away at people with a rifle? hes bound to get a kill before they get to him... ofc the only difference is prevention of that happeneing is possible in rl whereas eve you cant really tell if some guy is about to suicide on you Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5
DrAtomic Atomic Heroes The OSS	Posted - 2007.06.10 13:54:00 - [114] Why: 1. Isn't there a module to prevent your cargo from being scanned or greatly reduce the ability of being scanned? 2. Do ships that get Concorded get their insurance paid out? 3. Is ganking noobs in 1.0 considered a bannable offense? 4. Are ships allowed to pick up the ganked loot without any risk? ----------------------------------------------- Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. My Top 10 List
Sc0rpion Archer Daniels Midland	Posted - 2007.06.10 14:55:00 - [115] Originally by: Sgt Blade ofc the only difference is prevention of that happeneing is possible in rl No, it's not. Anyone who tries to tell you they can protect you from a black swan is either deluding themselves, or trying to gain power over you. The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously. -Friedrich Nietzsche Killmails are for pooftas.
Pheonix Kanan	Posted - 2007.06.10 14:58:00 - [116] Edited by: Pheonix Kanan on 10/06/2007 14:57:24 Originally by: Judge Ment Nerf the Myrmidon /signed
Trishan Minmatar Green Men Incorporated The Threshold	Posted - 2007.06.10 15:03:00 - [117] Originally by: Sgt Blade as for concord not saving you befor you die..... do you expect the police to stop a killer befor he 'suicides' himself at a shopping centre blasting away at people with a rifle? hes bound to get a kill before they get to him... ofc the only difference is prevention of that happeneing is possible in rl whereas eve you cant really tell if some guy is about to suicide on you No, but I would expect that: 1. If someone calls the police telling them there's a guy aiming at people with a rifle, they'll go check whats going on. 2. The police does not hand the suicider another rifle after he's gone on a killing spree. 3. The police, at the scene, does not allow a friend of the suicider to just grab whatever he wants from the corpses around, or to just destroy the corpse. Quit looking at RL, this is a game design decision or issue.
Dr Qu Caldari The Renegade Order Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.10 15:27:00 - [118] Originally by: Deckard Bishop taken from the player guide : Originally by: Player Guide Don't expect CONCORD to keep you immune to attacks or ship losses. Like in the real world, law enforcers often arrive too late at the scene of the crime, and even though they able to punish the criminal, they can't always prevent the crime. Well, I think CCP failed to realize something. In the real world, if the law enforcement comes too late to stop the crime, to punish the criminal, the criminal usually never gains a profit from it. Either the lawenforcement impounds the stolen goods, or something else happens to usually gain the victim. Why not alter the way the in game high sec legal system works so that it is more logical. You all claim that how high sec pirates operate today is not an exploit. Sure, they lose their ships, blah blah blah, yakketiyak. But the exploit, if you ask me, is not in attacking another person in high sec. Its using a secondary character not affiliated with the attack to swoop in and suck up the cargo. From all logical standpoints, the fellow who steals the cargo left by a victim to a suicide ganker should be flagged by the legal system as kill on sight to CONCORD, just as the suicide ganker was. Aiding in a criminal act, and all that jazz. One way to do that would be to make the game flag the wreck of a ship blown up by a suicide ganker as CONCORD protected, or just have CONCORD impound the wreck to be released back to its owner (at a fee). With the market flooded with minerals, and the prices for ships so low, suicide ganking means nothing today. The system have become so easily exploited in a way that I seriously doubt it was intended to be. Yes, I said it. Exploit. EXPLOIT! Such a nice word to use. EXPLOIT! I used it, so get over it. I agree with so many other, that this needs to change. Force all those exploiters who fly around in high sec back into low sec or null sec where they belong. As it is, they are sidestepping game mechanics to risk little and gain much, thus eliminating the risk vs reward gambit. On a sidenote, make the rewards of high sec equally low, so that the real rewards lay in going out into low sec (0.4) at a bare minimum. And I am not talking about missions only, but tradegoods and such as well. This could easily be handled by increasing high sec taxes to such a point that it would be more profitable to go to low sec. (High taxes due to increased CONCORD aid when the victim of a criminal act, for example). At any rate, the high sec gankers, exploiting their way through safe space, needs to be smacked back into place.
Valan	Posted - 2007.06.10 15:38:00 - [119] The answer is already in here. Use cans and they cannot see what you have. Equip your ship properly and don't go afk. I've just hauled 3 billion through empire no bother on an alt. Impossible to stop me. If you die its because your lazy or stupid. Some people have to accept they're not very good at the game. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Redpants Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.06.10 15:49:00 - [120] Whoa is the greedy carebear, reduced to only 400 MILLION isk, something must be nerfed. Unfair supreme! "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red."

pmacFTO Caldari The Emperors Chosen	Posted - 2007.07.25 13:41:00 - [121] Originally by: Aioa Are you lot still going on about this? lol... Look, on the first page of this thread, the OP says he's chilled out and learned his mistake. Ok, thread over. 4 pages later and you're all trotting out the same old crap. You all just love typing your sanctimonious dribble. /signed :) I think ppl read the first page then respond - not knowing everyone is saying the SAME thing!! And the OP did say he had learned the lesson that you all seem to be so desperate to keep teaching him....this is funny :D
R3dSh1ft Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.25 14:06:00 - [122] Originally by: pmacFTO Originally by: Aioa Are you lot still going on about this? lol... Look, on the first page of this thread, the OP says he's chilled out and learned his mistake. Ok, thread over. 4 pages later and you're all trotting out the same old crap. You all just love typing your sanctimonious dribble. /signed :) I think ppl read the first page then respond - not knowing everyone is saying the SAME thing!! And the OP did say he had learned the lesson that you all seem to be so desperate to keep teaching him....this is funny :D NECRO - JESUS CRIED A BIT DKOD - an awesome synchronised killing machine
Morgann Atreus	Posted - 2007.07.25 14:10:00 - [123] "I'm sorry, due to time restraints we only read the OP and then post Boocks. If we were to read the whole thread it would cut down on the number of threads we could post boocks in. So many threads, so much bo**ocks, so little time. Thankyou for your consideration in this matter."
Kharadran Sullath Caldari IntoXication Inc PioneerX Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.25 14:30:00 - [124] Originally by: pmacFTO Originally by: Aioa Are you lot still going on about this? lol... Look, on the first page of this thread, the OP says he's chilled out and learned his mistake. Ok, thread over. 4 pages later and you're all trotting out the same old crap. You all just love typing your sanctimonious dribble. /signed :) I think ppl read the first page then respond - not knowing everyone is saying the SAME thing!! And the OP did say he had learned the lesson that you all seem to be so desperate to keep teaching him....this is funny :D Alt of SiJira? ------ --Don't get saucy with me Bernaise!--
Tamiryth Kerenyi	Posted - 2007.07.25 14:33:00 - [125] I smell a troll. 2/10.
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega	Posted - 2007.07.25 14:37:00 - [126] necroooooooo...... we have like, a million 'i got ganked in high sec' threads already... kill this one!!! FIGHT THE HORDES! ----------------------------------------------- "Yes... I sleep with my myrmidon. It's nothing to be ashamed of!"
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.25 14:37:00 - [127] Here's a hint - fly a deep space transport in future, and fit it with a damage control II. Oh, and welcome to high sec. ***
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.25 14:40:00 - [128] Necrotastic. If theres one type of thread that doesn't need resurrecting, it's the ones that are remade daily anyhow --------
Presidente Gallente Pirate Hunters Inc	Posted - 2007.07.25 15:11:00 - [129] Your are ruined when your wallet is at 0 ISK. 400 Million is more than even older clones have due losses in missions or PvP. Learn to live with the +you never safe in EVE½ fact. Pres G +++ JOIN PAP +++
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.25 15:19:00 - [130] You want to take a bit of revenge? Take a ship, fill it with valuables, put lots of Shild HP and fit stabs. Keep rolling around dangerous high sec systems. You will likely get 1 or 2 guys to attack you and die for nothing (a few stabs are usually enough) per day. Its a nice way to make money, just go back and scoop their loot. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough

Ki Tarra Caldari Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.07.25 15:21:00 - [131] Originally by: pmacFTO /signed :) I think ppl read the first page then respond - not knowing everyone is saying the SAME thing!! And the OP did say he had learned the lesson that you all seem to be so desperate to keep teaching him....this is funny :D Yes, but your need to point this out more than a month after the previous poster is not so funny. Please let the dead rest in peace. Quote: No misfortune is so bad that whining about it won't make it worse
Thorndin MacMorrin Brotherhood of Acquisitions	Posted - 2007.07.25 15:26:00 - [132] Originally by: Dr Qu Originally by: Deckard Bishop taken from the player guide : Originally by: Player Guide Don't expect CONCORD to keep you immune to attacks or ship losses. Like in the real world, law enforcers often arrive too late at the scene of the crime, and even though they able to punish the criminal, they can't always prevent the crime. Well, I think CCP failed to realize something. In the real world, if the law enforcement comes too late to stop the crime, to punish the criminal, the criminal usually never gains a profit from it. Either the lawenforcement impounds the stolen goods, or something else happens to usually gain the victim. Why not alter the way the in game high sec legal system works so that it is more logical. You all claim that how high sec pirates operate today is not an exploit. Sure, they lose their ships, blah blah blah, yakketiyak. But the exploit, if you ask me, is not in attacking another person in high sec. Its using a secondary character not affiliated with the attack to swoop in and suck up the cargo. From all logical standpoints, the fellow who steals the cargo left by a victim to a suicide ganker should be flagged by the legal system as kill on sight to CONCORD, just as the suicide ganker was. Aiding in a criminal act, and all that jazz. One way to do that would be to make the game flag the wreck of a ship blown up by a suicide ganker as CONCORD protected, or just have CONCORD impound the wreck to be released back to its owner (at a fee). With the market flooded with minerals, and the prices for ships so low, suicide ganking means nothing today. The system have become so easily exploited in a way that I seriously doubt it was intended to be. Yes, I said it. Exploit. EXPLOIT! Such a nice word to use. EXPLOIT! I used it, so get over it. I agree with so many other, that this needs to change. Force all those exploiters who fly around in high sec back into low sec or null sec where they belong. As it is, they are sidestepping game mechanics to risk little and gain much, thus eliminating the risk vs reward gambit. On a sidenote, make the rewards of high sec equally low, so that the real rewards lay in going out into low sec (0.4) at a bare minimum. And I am not talking about missions only, but tradegoods and such as well. This could easily be handled by increasing high sec taxes to such a point that it would be more profitable to go to low sec. (High taxes due to increased CONCORD aid when the victim of a criminal act, for example). At any rate, the high sec gankers, exploiting their way through safe space, needs to be smacked back into place. Of course if we are going to compare EVE to the real world, we may need to make concord much less effective. Since concord is 100% effective at punishing a criminal (it is an exploit after all if your ship is not destroyed), while in the real world criminals often are never captured and punished, but get away with their crimes. Maybe, to make it more like real life, we should have concord only respond to 25% of high sec gankings?
Ethaet Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.25 15:29:00 - [133] Originally by: Thorndin MacMorrin Maybe, to make it more like real life, we should have concord only respond to 25% of high sec gankings? OK, I can agree with that - however, lets make it more like real life - when you get concorded you are permanently banned and all your assets are transferred to the player you attacked as compensation.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.25 15:32:00 - [134] Originally by: Ethaet Originally by: Thorndin MacMorrin Maybe, to make it more like real life, we should have concord only respond to 25% of high sec gankings? OK, I can agree with that - however, lets make it more like real life - when you get concorded you are permanently banned and all your assets are transferred to the player you attacked as compensation. what fantasy world are you living in>? Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
Ethaet Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.25 15:34:00 - [135] Originally by: Tortun Nahme Originally by: Ethaet Originally by: Thorndin MacMorrin Maybe, to make it more like real life, we should have concord only respond to 25% of high sec gankings? OK, I can agree with that - however, lets make it more like real life - when you get concorded you are permanently banned and all your assets are transferred to the player you attacked as compensation. what fantasy world are you living in>? EVE Online. I was responding to pure idiocy with sarcasm. Are you american by any chance? help can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm
Thorndin MacMorrin Brotherhood of Acquisitions	Posted - 2007.07.25 15:36:00 - [136] Originally by: Ethaet Originally by: Thorndin MacMorrin Maybe, to make it more like real life, we should have concord only respond to 25% of high sec gankings? OK, I can agree with that - however, lets make it more like real life - when you get concorded you are permanently banned and all your assets are transferred to the player you attacked as compensation. I supose different countries have different punishments for crimes, but here in the USA at least, people don't get the electric chair or life imprisonment for smash and grab thefts. Nore are all their assets given to the victims of their crime (I know from personal experience, had a laptop stolen from me, cops know where the laptop is, theif was sentenced to a short jail term, and I got nothing back, no laptop or any restitution).
Ethaet Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.25 15:37:00 - [137] Originally by: Thorndin MacMorrin Originally by: Ethaet Originally by: Thorndin MacMorrin Maybe, to make it more like real life, we should have concord only respond to 25% of high sec gankings? OK, I can agree with that - however, lets make it more like real life - when you get concorded you are permanently banned and all your assets are transferred to the player you attacked as compensation. I supose different countries have different punishments for crimes, but here in the USA at least, people don't get the electric chair or life imprisonment for smash and grab thefts. Nore are all their assets given to the victims of their crime (I know from personal experience, had a laptop stolen from me, cops know where the laptop is, theif was sentenced to a short jail term, and I got nothing back, no laptop or any restitution). Read the post above yours.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.25 15:40:00 - [138] Originally by: Ethaet Originally by: Tortun Nahme Originally by: Ethaet Originally by: Thorndin MacMorrin Maybe, to make it more like real life, we should have concord only respond to 25% of high sec gankings? OK, I can agree with that - however, lets make it more like real life - when you get concorded you are permanently banned and all your assets are transferred to the player you attacked as compensation. what fantasy world are you living in>? EVE Online. I was responding to pure idiocy with sarcasm. Are you american by any chance? help can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm actually no, I'm not, I was responding to sarcasm with irony, are you a rascist arrogant tool by any chance? Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
Thorndin MacMorrin Brotherhood of Acquisitions	Posted - 2007.07.25 15:52:00 - [139] Originally by: Ethaet Originally by: Thorndin MacMorrin Originally by: Ethaet Originally by: Thorndin MacMorrin Maybe, to make it more like real life, we should have concord only respond to 25% of high sec gankings? OK, I can agree with that - however, lets make it more like real life - when you get concorded you are permanently banned and all your assets are transferred to the player you attacked as compensation. I supose different countries have different punishments for crimes, but here in the USA at least, people don't get the electric chair or life imprisonment for smash and grab thefts. Nore are all their assets given to the victims of their crime (I know from personal experience, had a laptop stolen from me, cops know where the laptop is, theif was sentenced to a short jail term, and I got nothing back, no laptop or any restitution). Read the post above yours. ahh, irony is an art that is not expressed with words, but smilies.
No 47	Posted - 2007.07.25 16:28:00 - [140] Edited by: No 47 on 25/07/2007 16:28:40 Normaly i dont bother with the forums but about an hour ago i was suicide ganked in Sinq in my Iteron V. Lost about 20 BPC (ammo mainly)and a few BPO (frigs and similar value) a covetor, frig, cruiser and some gear nothing major but plenty to get me thinking. Whats the point of industry characters when stuff like that can go on. Im not rich by far so now i cant afford to replace that gear im thinking of selling my Character for isk so i can concentrate on my main account and ditch the second one. Think hard CCP.. this game is supposed to open to all player types and styles. Something for everyone is what your after if im right. You advertise a safe area for people to move and trade in yet you police it with apathy and neglect. If a player shoots down a hauler in high sec with no provocation or war involved how the hell is it fair to have his corp mate pick up the loot with no reprise. Not a flame just peeved at unfairness especially when IM paying for it. Next stop Character Sales Forum. PS that thing with the cans dont work you can see inside them now.

Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.25 16:31:00 - [141] Originally by: No 47 Edited by: No 47 on 25/07/2007 16:28:40 Think hard CCP.. this game is supposed to open to all player types and styles. thats just it, it is, and boo hoo you have to protect your cargo, they should nerf someone elses play style cause I can't play mine risk free Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
Herculite Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.25 16:34:00 - [142] Originally by: Jim McGregor Are we going to have these threads every day? I seriously think this is being done by a few alt characters who wants to drive their agenda on the forums, and make it look like a lot of players are being suicided. And if its not... and you really are genuine - welcome to Eve. Hope you've learned your lesson. You are not safe anywhere in Eve, just like in real life. I was thinking the same thing. Much like that guy who had this domi army just waiting to pop freighters blah blah blah, after someone tried to kill his. Lets see a KM link or something, I don't buy this. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.07.25 16:36:00 - [143] Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 25/07/2007 16:37:13 This was dug up why? Also Known As
Karunel Princeps Corp YouWhat	Posted - 2007.07.25 16:37:00 - [144] Originally by: SealteamXI Ah well, cooled off now. Guess it's time to invest in a Transport Ship, not too expensive at all. You sir, are cool. That's the correct spirit. ____ Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.25 16:37:00 - [145] Originally by: Danton Marcellus The OP regained his senses already on page 1, what the hell are you going on about on page 5, read before you post and then don't! if you had read page 5 you would have noted we were insulting each other, not the op, rtft Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon
Suzy Creamcheesz	Posted - 2007.07.25 16:43:00 - [146] wow it works in 0.8? i might have to expand my territory a bit
Kwint Sommer Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2007.07.25 16:44:00 - [147] Sorry to hear you lost so much but this is realistic and a proper game mechanic. Don't transport more than 30M in something without a decent tank and don't transport more than a quarter billion in something that can't survive multiple battleships for 30 seconds. Concord provides consequences not safety, only you can do that. The same is true of real world police. As someone who went to a rather violent inner city high school I can attest to the fact that police don't stop crime they simply deter it by punishing those they catch. If the game were to be made more realistic Concord wouldn't respond nearly as quickly, pack nearly as much of a punch nor always catch the perp. If you waved a bag of diamonds around as you walked down the streets of New York un-escorted would you be surprised if you got mugged? Why should putting a billion ISK worth of stuff in an easily popped industrial in Jita be any different?

Wachtmeister Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.07.25 16:57:00 - [148] We have gathered here to guide the way of this thread on his last path. May he be happy where he goes now, never to be disturbed again by necros. click forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website Contrary to popular belief he actually has a body -Eldo My body is well trained and I have a sixpack.... in the fridge. -Wachty



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