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POSwatch CEO
POSwatch Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.09 21:01:00 -
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Today is the day POSwatch Inc. celebrates the launch of the first version of their new software, POSwatch. Having learned much about POS warfare in huge alliance battles, running more than 60 POS towers at one time and by one corporation, we felt it was next to impossible to communicate the needs of a POS network between the people responsible for it. Hence we had the idea to ease the pain of everyone involved in POS as industrial outposts, as sovereignty towers, as jump bridges, whatever.
The biggest issue with POS arises from the fact they can hardly be remote controlled. One has to be at the tower to check fuel and settings. Theoretically speaking, if X knows the POS needs fueling, he might head there a couple of jumps and find out Y already did the job before, making X a sad puppie. You can not document every change in fuel levels via boards or messages, it just wonÆt work.
So our idea was to develop an online accessible tool where corporations can manage their own access levels, give logins to the people taking care of their POS, so everyone involved can take a look what needs to be done and when. It will, of course, give more than this. You can check within one quick look if all strontium levels are set correct, where your POS are at, how much fuel is in each and every one, and some additional information if you entered the data needed. Best part is, it is online, due to different access levels you can set access with your administrator account, and you decide which information will be public. Have a POS nobody wants to see, like a private one or a cap shipyard, or anything? Just donÆt show it to the ordinary member. You can run quick calculations everyone can do with an Excel sheet, like fuel consumption, fuel requirements for a given period of time, etc. The advantage is, everyone gets the same information at the same time. The tool itself does not communicate with the client or whatsoever, hence it is not a violation of the EULA. You do not have to share EVE data with anyone due to using this. The tool uses built in timing and due to this you will be able to do your ôPOS-homeworkö even during downtime.
We have tried it in a first version and our POS managers felt somehow able to do anything else instead of taking care of POSs suddenly. POSwatch will save you time, time in which you can do funnier or more profitable things, we did it because we wanted EVE to be fun, but when it comes to POSs, it definitely is not.
In the following section you can see screenshots of the tool, you will find it not very colorful and pimped. We could have done that, too, we did not for a reason. We wanted it to be as clearly understandable and fast loading as can be. You will find out there is a clear line in the concept itself, it will help you with what is needed and wonÆt bother you with not useful figures. If you miss something you can always contact us, we might as well implement it to further develop the code.
Details
Overview
Consumption Calculator
Refueling Calculator
Our Forum:
http://forums.poswatch.net/index.php
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POSwatch CEO
POSwatch Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.09 21:02:00 -
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ôThis sounds too good to be true, how much is it?ö
Our customers are corporations of all sizes, so we do not have a one for all package. We want the tool to be wide spread and affordable to everyone, hence we made a few deals appropriate to different corporation sizes. With every package you will get one administrator access and a given number of POSs the tool will manage. With the help of this first administrator account you will be able to create as many new administrator or user accounts as you wish.Pricing is according to the number of POS included in the package
2 Pos-package: 10 million / month
6 Pos-package: 27 million / month
12 Pos-package: 52 million / month
20 Pos-package: 85million / month
30 Pos-package: 125 million / month
50 Pos-package: 200 million / month
75 Pos-package: 275 million / month
100 Pos-package: 300 million / month
150 Pos-package: 400 million / month
200 Pos-package: 500 million / month
Opening account: 10 mil
Prices are for 1 months of use, making the service quite cheap if you calculate per month or week. Of course you can pay for several month in advance too which makes things easier for you and for us and due to that we will give you an extra discount of 3% per month when you choose this option
There are special alliance deals available, which means if X corps out of alliance Y buy licenses, they will all get a discount if their alliance has made an alliance deal with POSwatch Inc. Alliance deals are not fixed and can be negotiated by contacting me in game.
We will provide the access to the database, we will host the database, and we will take care of your needs and answer all questions. However, we are not responsible for technical difficulties of our provider resulting in temporary inaccessibility. A thing which has never happened in years, but you never knowà If you have questions regarding our tool or deals, and write an EVE mail to me, you will receive a response within one business day.
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POSwatch CEO
POSwatch Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.09 21:03:00 -
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And now, last but not least, answers to some FAQ.
ôWhat input does the database need?ö
You have to give the race and size of the tower, as well as itÆs powergrid cpu load and a label, to add a new POS to the database. Once the tower is set, you add your current fuel stock. After that, the timer begins to count and your POS is set.
ôWhat additional information can I add to the database?ö
You are able, but donÆt have to, put in a name for the POS (e.g. deathstar1, XÆs private POS), system, planet and moon. For these things the tool has preset fields, and information given will appear in the overview. You can add everything you like, comments, fittings, poems even to every tower as well. This information will only display if you take a closer look. An example would be to tell your POS managers if there is a corp hangar with fuel in stock, or if there are cyno alts stationed inside the system, whatever you find useful.
ôWhat calculations can I do with POSwatch?ö
You can just pick one or any number of POS from overview and calculate fuel consumption, remaining fueling time, etc. You can spare out private POS for example. You can calculate requirements for all Minmatar towers or whatever. And, last but not least, you can simply see how many days you can fuel your Tower optimal.
ôDo I have strategical advantages?ö
Besides none of your POS going offline without warning? Well, maybe one. You can see the strontium timing in each POS, so you can see very quickly if one or two are out of line or missing strontium.
ôDoes the database interact with the EVE servers and/or client?ö
Not at all.
ôAm I able to change functions of the tool according to my needs?ö
At the moment, no. But we at POSwatch Inc. will listen carefully to proposals of our customers and will try our best to fit the software to our customerÆs needs.
ôWhat about spies?ö
Metagaming is an issue in EVE, and we are not 100% safe from attacks to our database. Noone except the administrative accounts can change details of the POS. It is up to you whom you give these rights. The functionality of our software does not rely on a complete set of data given, so one could leave the fields for location blank, and no spy will ever know where this POS is or what the modules are. There is no way to gather intelligence from the database additional to the intelligence in game if you donÆt want it. Of course you could put in as a comment, that a Leviathan titan is cooking in POS X for 6 days, and unfortunately the stront is only ser for 1 hour of reinforced mode, but then, who would do such stupid things? In Short: You decide how much security you want.
ôWhat about security instances?ö
We can only tell that there are in deed some routines to keep unwanted visitors out and to track login attempts. Anything further will not be discussed in public. We are using it on our own, so we feel it is safe enough for ourselves.
ôSounds nice, what about testing it for free?ö
Sorry, we have a trial period, but you will be charged a minimum fee for opening an account, since this generates work for us. If you decide to be a customer of POSwatch Inc., your contract will be cut by the trial fee of course.
ôCan I buy the software to host it on my own server?ö
No.
ôCan I pay you in RL cash?ö
No, we only accept ingame-ISK. We look at this as being part of a game and we want to get paid in ingame currency. Any other deals will be denied by POSwatch Inc. This is the reason why we founded an ingame corporation to deal with it, it is part of the game.
ôHow many customers do you have, and who are they?ö
Any information on who is using our service at what rate are kept between POSwatch Inc. and our customer. So donÆt even ask if alliance X uses our service pleaseà
ôIs this some sort of strange IPO or whatsoever, and where can I order shares?ö
No, it is a private run company, and at the moment we do not think about shares and everything related.
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Yumiko Chiyoko
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Posted - 2007.06.10 07:53:00 -
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I would like to try it. What do I need to do and how much is the trial fee?
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POSwatch CEO
POSwatch Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.10 09:38:00 -
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contact me ingame, your best choice is to send me an EVE mail with your questions and what kind of a deal you are looking for. you will receive an answer the next time i am online, so you will have the reply within 24 hours usually.
if there are other things to discuss i will contact you and discuss them in a chat or on TS.
you can, at every time, ask for a detailed offer, even anonymously. just send me an EVE mail with the number of towers, estimated duration and whether you ask in the name of a corporation or alliance.
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Sandra Cat
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Posted - 2007.06.10 12:08:00 -
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Question: How can we be sure that the Intel about our POSes is not forwarded to BOB or Goonswarm?
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Veliathon
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Posted - 2007.06.10 14:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Sandra Cat
Question: How can we be sure that the Intel about our POSes is not forwarded to BOB or Goonswarm?
That I think will be a deal breaker meaning no large corporation worth their salt would want to expose those details. As such I doubt any packages for 10+ pos's are going to sell (as only the big corps with secrets to keep can afford them). Unlike EVE-MON this doesn't seem to have any security assurances because the source code isn't distributed but most importantly the authors of this service control access to the database.
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.06.10 14:56:00 -
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Evemail sent, looking to get underway asap. Would like to see a main character post in here, or a private pm from the man behind the mask, just so I know who has view access to my setup 
Otherwise, I am happy to give this baby a ride.
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POSwatch CEO
POSwatch Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.10 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sandra Cat
Question: How can we be sure that the Intel about our POSes is not forwarded to BOB or Goonswarm?
the answer to this question is plain simple. we knew beforehand that there wouldn't be 100% security of the DB. but as we use this tool on our own, we have implemented the most safe security mechanism ever - "drumroll" to use this tool, you do not have to give any sensual information into the database at all, but you still can use the full functionality without any setbacks.
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davesbank
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Posted - 2007.06.10 20:11:00 -
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I'll get in contact with you later.
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.06.11 02:24:00 -
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Ok, I have signed up for the 12 tower package, will let you guys know how it all goes when we get up and running
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POSwatch CEO
POSwatch Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.11 13:31:00 -
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it's not a secret, so why hide it on page 10? shameless bump...
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Saphert Kronitius
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Posted - 2007.06.11 16:50:00 -
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This sounds interesting. *coughbumpcough*.
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Hockston Axe
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.11 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: POSwatch CEO
Edited by: POSwatch CEO on 10/06/2007 17:44:33
to use this tool, you do not have to give any sensual information into the database at all, but you still can use the full functionality without any setbacks.
But if we don't give any sensual info, how can we hope to turn it on?
I think you were going for 'essential' or maybe geographical would've worked better. Sorry just thought it was funny.
Good idea btw.
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POSwatch CEO
POSwatch Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.11 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: POSwatch CEO on 11/06/2007 18:21:28
The answer is quite simple:
What are all details of a POS worth without knowing the loaction: nothing.
Just label the POSes as you wish, System Planet and moon are optional only, and noone besides you and your corp will ever have only the slightest chance to use this information and you and your corp will still have the whole benefit of this service.
And remember: this implies that someone has haked the database, which is really not very likely
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.06.12 03:13:00 -
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Edited by: Ricdic on 12/06/2007 03:14:02
Hi I have spent the past hour or so (so far) setting this up for my research towers (2 out of 7 done), and it is quite user friendly. I still have a bit to learn, but this saves a lot of the hassles with pulling out the old calculator every time a tower is low etc.
Initial setup takes a little bit of time (refuelling all to max as I go), but looking forward to this giving me a real-time update on my POS's when I don't have a chance to log-in to Eve to check fuel levels flying around all over the place.
So far, thumbs up from me
edit: BTW, the only conceivable security issue, would be if you place the system your tower/s are in. In my case, I have nothing to hide (all empire) so it doesn't matter, but those wanting to keep that hidden POS hidden, it is as simple as not entering those fields, or use different numbers, like Planet V, Moon 666
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POSwatch CEO
POSwatch Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.12 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic
BTW, the only conceivable security issue, would be if you place the system your tower/s are in. In my case, I have nothing to hide (all empire) so it doesn't matter, but those wanting to keep that hidden POS hidden, it is as simple as not entering those fields, or use different numbers, like Planet V, Moon 666
i am glad this is coming from one of our customers. this is in fact the reason why we have set a "label" to each tower. you can have a forum thread with a list of labels and the coordinates where you can set access levels at your own boards. so you can give this kind of information only to the people you trust.
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POSwatch Officer
POSwatch Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.12 20:51:00 -
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New feature implemented:
Refueling Log. Administrators can now see who refueled which pos and when.
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.06.13 02:32:00 -
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Thanks guys. I requested this, as well as a total units section in the delivery part. Both features have been added within 24 hours of the request. Cheers 
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Johnathan Roark
Caldari
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.06.13 05:39:00 -
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POStracker Yours has a better interface, but I do not really see anything different then this, and its free?
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POSwatch CEO
POSwatch Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.13 07:38:00 -
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first of all, i have not heard of this tool before, and now that i wanted to try it out i downloaded a .rar archive with some stuff in it i really can not use. i think this has to be implemented somewhere, php environment or something, but it is just a guess since i am not very familiar with it.
the good thing is you can take a look at the calculations it does quite easily, and to put it simple, the fuel consumption is implemented "the easy way" which is not how EVE does it.
we do not only sell the software, but we sell access to it, too. you do not have to host it on your own if you want to make it accessible by more than one person. this is another difference.
i really want to try the POStracker out to see if we can learn other things from it, if i find someone who tells me how to do it. i read from the code that you can add modules and such, which we found to be irritating at best since it is not needed, hence we kept it out to stay on a clear path.
for now i do not know if this is fully comparable to what we offer, but i have some doubts about it. the biggest issue seems to be (to me) that a noob can't use it, whereas everyone can use our software quite effectively from the start.
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POSwatch CEO
POSwatch Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:04:00 -
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Edited by: POSwatch CEO on 13/06/2007 13:04:37
a short excurse on the POStracker (after some testing)
if you want something that works with "roughly exact" numbers (deviations of 1 hour per day in some tower setups are possible due to errors in fuel consumption calculation), if you have a clue about setting it up on your own, if you have own webspace with user management, if you need something for the ingame browser, if you don't mind the overall look of it and want something for free, then go for the POStracker. as you can publically see on the hosting site, it has been developed in 2006 and some people used it for a month, then it seemed to have stopped completely. i do not know anything about the circumstances here and i don't want to discuss this or have it discussed in this thread.
our product offers more than POStracker imho, as you don't have to take care to get it to work by yourself and will get it ready delivered with a working infrastructure behind.
my summary is: both are approaches dealing with the same issues, and that's about it. no more things in common. they differ in access, visibility and accuracy. it is of course up to anyone to make his choice. i found it interesting to see another approach, but now i think that was the last comment from our side regarding this and the topic should stay out of this thread. i like the idea of everyone being able to choose, hence i will let the original link inside of the thread, but any further discussion of the matter will be considered thread hijacking and i will point the mods to it to enforce the forum rules if necessary.
if you have any questions or want to chat about the issue, contact me ingame.
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POSwatch CEO
POSwatch Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.14 09:16:00 -
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too good for page 11. bump.
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POSwatch CEO
POSwatch Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: POSwatch CEO on 15/06/2007 11:01:27
the test-server version of our software is running with a user encoded encyption already. the feature passed the initial tests and imght be available for the live version soon.
already accessible is a corp hangar functionality, as described in the recent patch notes for version 1.1. you can find a short description here: http://forums.poswatch.net/viewtopic.php?t=33
we are also working on further features to improve our software. so if you are interested in getting more info or an offer, eve-mail me.
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Indyra
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:49:00 -
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Is the encrytion already running and how does it works? Can we be sure, our data will be safe? I'm interested in a small package but (surprise, surprise) I'm also interested in safety.
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POSwatch CEO
POSwatch Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.16 11:18:00 -
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Noone at POSwatch Inc. would ever tell how the encryption works exactly, neither to our customers nor to anyone else. some things better remain secret...
if you are interested in a POS package or a trial deal, the best way is to write me an ingame mail. we are going through these daily and you will receive an offer according to your request.
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Indyra
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.17 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: POSwatch CEO
some things better remain secret...
Okay, thats true.
Originally by: POSwatch CEO
if you are interested in a POS package or a trial deal, the best way is to write me an ingame mail.
Sent.
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POSwatch CEO
POSwatch Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.18 11:02:00 -
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Quote:
A problem is an obstacle which makes it difficult to achieve a desired goal, objective or purpose. It refers to a situation, condition, or issue that is yet unresolved. In a broad sense, a problem exists when an individual becomes aware of a significant difference between what actually is and what is desired. Every problem asks for an answer or solution.
we will help you solve some of those. bump to make my mailbox flash more often.
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POSwatch CEO
POSwatch Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 18:43:00 -
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this should not go unnoticed, even during patch deployment. bump
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POSwatch CEO
POSwatch Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.20 13:51:00 -
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we updated the live version of the database which will store all data encrypted now.
http://forums.poswatch.net/viewtopic.php?t=40 (very small update with high effect)
additional to this we are working on the implementation of the new sovereignty system after revelations II. the coding is done, but the calculations need some testing still. expect POSwatch to be fully revelations II compatible within the next days. for the moment our customers can safely use the old version, since sov 4 will be the only change, and it will be in effect in one month maybe.
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