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Robeyone
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Posted - 2004.01.14 15:07:00 -
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Check it out here guys
Updated live as the points and questions are asked.
http://www.ronacorp.com |
DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.01.14 15:11:00 -
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Can't it be hosted else where?
The site is filled with adds and stuff i don't really care about.
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Pann
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Posted - 2004.01.14 15:17:00 -
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*slathers on the glue*
Eve Community Manager
[email protected]
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Robeyone
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Posted - 2004.01.14 15:36:00 -
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Sorry about that. Don't blame me I volunteer there. :)
http://www.ronacorp.com |
Vix3n
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Posted - 2004.01.14 15:50:00 -
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for those who hate IGN
and they way they RUIN gaminn commuinties
you can vist
Here
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Tease
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Posted - 2004.01.14 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Tease on 14/01/2004 15:55:18
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Can't it be hosted else where?
The site is filled with adds and stuff i don't really care about.
I think it will be on evegate soon.. I can't read it on the IGN site either because of all the damn ads and popups.
--edit-- hehe! guess it got updated while I was typing 
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[2003.12.17 06:35:20] Corwin > Orvolle is .4? Doesn't that mean that it's
less than .5 ? and isn't .5 what starts the danger level?
[2003.12.30 07:15:50] Corwin > Tech 2, IE expanded cargo holds I, MIning
lasers 2, etc.... TL2 is being released all around you
[2003.12.30 07:21:20] Corwin > tech 2 is released to players. Some players
are busy researching the BPs before building stuff. Others are sitting on
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.01.14 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: McWatt on 14/01/2004 16:09:31
office prices and tech 2 ships. did i miss another usefull question?
seriously, most horrible chat EVER!!!
then a question about corp wars comes up. i m expecting to see "when will ppl be punished for leaving corp at war?" or "when will single player war be introduced finally?" or a simple rant about the absolute uselessness of wars as they stand at the moment.
instead i read a complain about ppl leaving the game and high sec space being not secure enough. wtf???
well, just look at what kind of tech 1 items the guy is asking BPs for and you get his approach...
note to self: declare war on Dawnstars corp...
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Nemesis I
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Posted - 2004.01.14 16:23:00 -
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Ditto :)
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Gan Howorth
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Posted - 2004.01.14 17:32:00 -
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err..
Oh well. 
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.01.14 19:36:00 -
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Dawnstar > I wanted to ask about the future of corporate wars and what was being done to change them. To elaborate, right now, I and several others I talked with are of the opinion they are not working very well and are actually a detriment to the game as currently implemented. They are being heavily used by corporations to pirate in Empire Space and to allow experienced player killers to harass new players. This problem is driving players away from the game (I know of several people who have left because of this and other who are considering it). I agree with their reasoning too... why should I pay a monthly fee to be a target for a group of griefers who harasses me and my friends at every turn and attempts to extort from me the fruits of my labor?
who decleared war on ur carebear corp? not many ppl will declear war on a corp if the corp hasnt done or said anything against them...
"We brake for nobody"
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.14 20:06:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 14/01/2004 20:06:52
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t0rfiFrans > There is no date or details on an Asian release. Admitted there are two "Asian" bloodlines being modelled but there's not more to say about that.
t0rfiFrans > *Ahem*
t0rfiFrans > .
Fuhry > ¼_¼
... O.O;
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2004.01.14 21:19:00 -
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who decleared war on ur carebear corp? not many ppl will declear war on a corp if the corp hasnt done or said anything against them...
Kudos to the people from CCP and the people asking questions for taking the time to have the summit - just knowing that the office renting situation is on the agenda was worth it by itself. I have to agree though, there are problems with the war system atm - but empire space being too dangerous certainly isn't one of them. War needs to get tougher not easier.
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.01.14 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 14/01/2004 20:06:52
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t0rfiFrans > There is no date or details on an Asian release. Admitted there are two "Asian" bloodlines being modelled but there's not more to say about that.
t0rfiFrans > *Ahem*
t0rfiFrans > .
Fuhry > ¼_¼
... O.O;
The Caldari were always supposed to have asian looking avatars 
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Lola
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Posted - 2004.01.14 21:35:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 14/01/2004 20:06:52
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t0rfiFrans > There is no date or details on an Asian release. Admitted there are two "Asian" bloodlines being modelled but there's not more to say about that.
t0rfiFrans > *Ahem*
t0rfiFrans > .
Fuhry > ¼_¼
... O.O;
I agree with j0. I do remember reading a long time ago that they were trying to make Caldari asian but weren't happy with the results. Other than that little tiny bit of info and maybe the part about TL2 frigs coming "soon(tm)" I'd have to rank this CSM up there in the top worst CSMs 
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Taurar
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Posted - 2004.01.14 22:57:00 -
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i wanna apoligize for eve gate
sorry for not being at the csm guys
tornsoul wasnt able to make it to today's chat.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.01.15 00:36:00 -
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Edited by: Sally on 15/01/2004 06:58:11
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Dawnstar > I wanted to ask about the future of corporate wars and what was being done to change them. To elaborate, right now, I and several others I talked with are of the opinion they are not working very well and are actually a detriment to the game as currently implemented. They are being heavily used by corporations to pirate in Empire Space and to allow experienced player killers to harass new players. This problem is driving players away from the game (I know of several people who have left because of this and other who are considering it). I agree with their reasoning too... why should I pay a monthly fee to be a target for a group of griefers who harasses me and my friends at every turn and attempts to extort from me the fruits of my labor?
Mr M > !
Oveur > You are referring to that if you are in a war you can be shot at in Empire space?
Dawnstar > The people who suffer the most from the way corp wars are implemented right now are the newest players to the game, who haven't decided if they are going to stay with it.
Dawnstar > That's what I am the most concerned with.
Oveur > Yes, so you are referring to that if youre corporation is in a war with another corporation, they can shoot at you in empire space without police retaliation?
Dawnstar > Yes, to an extent, plus that wars can be easily declared
Oveur > Well, I'll assume you are. There is a limit to how many corps you can be at war with and you can't declare war on newbie corps
TomB > The problem is that corporations that you call griefing corporations are only using their wars to fight corporations that are not military based and do not want to be in any kind of PvP.
Dawnstar > PEople quit the game because of this
Dawnstar > If I came to the game to play manufacturing or trading, why should I be forced to play PvP, why waste my money?
Dawnstar > So, no changes in the forseeable future?
TomB > We understand the concern but I personally have never heared about such problems until now. The design for corporation warfare is very old and we have never had any reason to redesign ... until now.
Oveur > And from a player perspective you can submit a Harassment petition if the are only doing this to grief you.
Thraxed > disregard clearing chat bug
TomB > I have added this to my TODO list Dawnstar, thanks for the feedback and I'm sorry this hasn't been raised as an issue to me before.
Dawnstar > ok, thank you
GM Panzer > We at CS agree that this needs to be fixed in some way as we see a lot of petitions over this issue, but still I think the reasoning that you mentioned is a bit like saying "why should I buy a game where everybody wants to shoot me in the head" when deciding whether to buy CS or not :)
Oveur > uhm, CS as in Counter-Strike, right ? :)
TomB > .
GM Panzer > yes..hmm the first oone is Customer Support, the second Counter Strike :)
GM Panzer > Support is not for sale :)
Mr M > But they will shoot you in the head?
Oveur > Mr M, yes if you play Counter-Strike with them
Pann > The floor is yours, Thraxed.
Okay. Sorry, but this is somehow lame.
You are crying to the devs because SPVD declared war upon you? You should be more proffesional.
- We declared war to a SA corp, with triple our numbers.
- Two of your friend corps (aswell in the SA) declared war to us.
- Kiroshi Group participated in the destruction of several SPVD vessels inlcuing a battleship and you are using some nice tactics and we had to adapt to it hardly.
- You have some senior members with 8-9 months game play experience in your corp.
Now you can't ask us to stop shooting your junior corp members. Protect them.
We have 9 wars ongoing, most of them declared upon us.
You are free to use in game tactics to win the war against us, using out of game and out of context tactics is somehow lame in my opinion and I am really annoyed that TomB and GM Panzer are paying any attention to you without checking your personal situation and the situation of your corp further.
I have seen some of the members of your corp stating in local, that the war is fun, that something should happen, cause it got quite boring for them. Some of them had their fun as they were taking our ships down.
So everything has two faces, I'd like to see you not whining about this war in the CSMs, you should be able to solve your in game problems (war) with in game solutions (creative response(s)). Even if it would mean, that Kiroshi disbands and former members join new corps.
Sorry to say that.
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Slagg
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Posted - 2004.01.15 01:09:00 -
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Those CSM are just stupid carebear events for stupid carebears. I hope that the devs only pretend to actually listen to that dribbel.
PEOPLE LEAVE BECAUSE THEY ARE BORED, GET IT?
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BamBam Rubble
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Posted - 2004.01.15 02:31:00 -
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That blew. Talk about dud questions!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.15 06:52:00 -
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Oh my lord, I agree with Sally, totally.
/emote goes for a stiff coffee ...
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2004.01.15 08:34:00 -
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I dont want to be negative, but i really dont hope this people asking questions, speaks for us all. I hardly can agree to one of the questions asked.
There are many more importent things to be asked, and 90% of them asked in this log are not at all urgent.
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Kipkruide
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Posted - 2004.01.15 10:49:00 -
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lol nice to see every responce, well about is from si, or si alt, just as we expected. :).. well except for jade that is.
it's quite simple, we will fight you, we just don't want to and don't believe we should be forced to, you may differ of opinion, i feel empire space should be free of all piracy. you can disagree np, just don't expect us to agree with you, fight in 0.0 space.
if you want to voice different opinions, feel free to apply for the next csm. that's what they are there for, to voice opinions, not opinions that people neccesarely agree with.
downgrade the pvp i say
well, that's my opinion, have fun with it
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.01.15 12:23:00 -
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lol nice to see every responce, well about is from si, or si alt, just as we expected. :).. well except for jade that is.
You have a serious problem. You assume too much.
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Jael Markinsen
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Posted - 2004.01.15 13:42:00 -
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Hmmm, whatever happened to the pirate delegate? Was vegeta I think? Just curious on what happened to him not being there and representing that segment of the gameplay.
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Lord Guerdo
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Posted - 2004.01.15 14:23:00 -
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lol nice to see every responce, well about is from si, or si alt, just as we expected. :).. well except for jade that is.
it's quite simple, we will fight you, we just don't want to and don't believe we should be forced to, you may differ of opinion, i feel empire space should be free of all piracy. you can disagree np, just don't expect us to agree with you, fight in 0.0 space.
if you want to voice different opinions, feel free to apply for the next csm. that's what they are there for, to voice opinions, not opinions that people neccesarely agree with.
downgrade the pvp i say
well, that's my opinion, have fun with it
Does everything that comes out of your mouth utter drivel?
If you dont want to fight hit that surrender button.
Everyone on here an SI alt? nub.
and WTF is a member of your corp doing on a CSM wasting valuable question time with useless whinning about wars, have a word with yourself and your corp.
Where are all the sensible questions, fleet battle lag, roid collision detection?
sorry dudes but next time get some better questions and some players with some experience not a bunch of gutless whinning carebear nubs.
Lord Guerdo
Biomass Cartel
I mean c'mon, just think about it. What would make more sense then the 3 most hated alliances teaming up to lay waste to the people they all hate anyways? CA is already allied with PA, and TPS lies between the two alliances. Natural allies to be sure. But it's not just that, all but PA (and even some of them) have adopted a "stfu and die, or come and fight us, we don't give a **** what you think or do" philosophy, as well as a PvP Kill everyone not friend kind of mentality. These are the people in eve that kill or convert, the ones dedicated to the death of others, because history, circumstance, and the rest of eve have driven then to do so (except TPS, who are just cool ass pirates ). |
Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2004.01.15 14:25:00 -
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if you want to voice different opinions, feel free to apply for the next csm. that's what they are there for, to voice opinions, not opinions that people neccesarely agree with.
BTW, how does one get into a CSM team? I don't necessarily want to be one, but I've never worked out how people are chosen and/or how to apply.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.01.15 15:02:00 -
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I can't remember, athule, but I'm sure they post information.
I think it's just a case of emailing the right people, and being available at the right time of day. Unfortunately, this season's meetings coincide with me being at work, so it would not have been an option.
The new war system tomB is working on should also jam a spike up the ass of these 'I'm part of a non-empire alliance, yet I don't want to fight for them' types. They will either have to leave their alliance, or prey that their alliance never sets a -10 standing to *anyone*, ever.
But I have to agree, wasting people's time in a CSM chat, and asking questions, which are basically thinly-veiled lies, to encourage a sympathetic response, is about as weak-ass as I can imagine.
The CSM is for the community to bring issues to light that are important, not a soap-box for blaming people of things they haven't done, and trying to save your own ass by telling tall tales.
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Cloudbase
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Posted - 2004.01.15 15:08:00 -
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I'm definitely no alt of nobody and that CSM was rather on the poor side!
More interesting questions (as said elsewhere): battle lag; frigate extinction; post castor performance & options to degrade gfx; player owned structures & territory control; storyline & content interaction with players; jovians; alliance warfare etc.
I have little experience with PvP yet but have to ask what else are people/carebears building up money & assets for?!
CB
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Cloudbase
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Posted - 2004.01.15 15:09:00 -
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I'm definitely no alt of nobody and that CSM was rather on the poor side...
More interesting questions (as said elsewhere): battle lag; frigate extinction; post castor performance & options to degrade gfx; player owned structures & territory control; storyline & content interaction with players; jovians; alliance warfare etc.
I have little experience with PvP yet but have to ask what else are people/carebears building up money & assets for?!
CB
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.15 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 15/01/2004 15:13:57
Kiroshi Group:
Founder: Veyn, Member of Kiroshi Group for 8 months and 8 days
Member Count: 104
Stain Alliance Member
Space Invaders:
Founder: Setec, Member of Space Invaders for 8 months and 1 day
Member Count: 37
CSM Log:
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Dawnstar > The people who suffer the most from the way corp wars are implemented right now are the newest players to the game, who haven't decided if they are going to stay with it
Reality:
A corporation whose member count outnumbers Space Invaders 3 to 1, has existed for 7 more days than Space Invaders and is a member of a large scale alliance misrepresents themselves as a a defenseless group of new players during the CSM meeting, attempting to use pity and sympathy to have corp wars nerfed.
I sincerely hope TomB, Oveur, GM Panzer and the other developers log into their play characters tonight and convince their corporations to declare war on the Kiroshi Group as well. Such a poorly implemented, blatant attempt at manipulation deserves such a response.
Hell, I hope SA pods the lot of you for making them look bad by association 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.15 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 15/01/2004 16:09:42
Those sure aren't pretty figures Jash I have to admit, and something sure smelled fishy when Sally and I ended up on the same side of the argument ;)
Edit (damn - trust me not to read dev-blogs)
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.01.15 15:32:00 -
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Those sure aren't pretty figures Jash I have to admit, and something sure smelled fishy when Sally and I ended up on the same side of the argument ;)
Tell you what though, that new war system drunkenmaster mentioned sounds very interesting indeed.
mmmmmm-tasty!
I dunno, on further reading, it is looking more like non-consentual PVP is going to be eliminated. Check out TomB's devblog. Ignore kipkruide though, he's from Kiroshi, who are represented by a liar.
Hopefully, TomB will further elaborate on his plans.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.15 15:54:00 -
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I dunno, on further reading, it is looking more like non-consentual PVP is going to be eliminated. Check out TomB's devblog. Ignore kipkruide though, he's from Kiroshi, who are represented by a liar.
Hopefully, TomB will further elaborate on his plans.
Just read it myself. Just have one thing to say:
Thank God I have active accounts with other MMOGs.
And that's being serious.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Sally
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Posted - 2004.01.15 15:57:00 -
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Well, after some good technical steps in PvP this would be a major idealistic drawback in PvP.
It's not realistic in anyway and I am quite disappointed that TomB is going to do it that way.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2004.01.15 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: Athule Snanm on 15/01/2004 16:09:40
As people reading the notes to the blog will see I am also very concerned with this.
Currently in EVE the only way you can enforce justice against a corp operating in Empire space is to use a corp war. Admittedly corp wars can be declared rather casually at the moment and members can flit in and out of corps once one has started - and these things need sorting out, not what basically amounts to an elimination of the only punishment method EVE has. If there was a court system or some other way of seeking retribution against a corp that's wronged you I might be tempted to go along with consensual wars, as it is I can see it as a license to grief, nothing more, nothing less.
Edit: just for the record the rest of the system rocks!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.15 16:13:00 -
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On reflection chaps, (and having now read the thing) ...
Its a real shame. I love the idea in principle but we can't do without non-consenual war decs.
I have posted in the dev blog my opinion.
I think the standings should allow multiple non-consensual war decs, but the control should be money, with a sliding scale of cost to each subsequent -10 (declaration status) ... with inherited -10 decs (from allies) being free.
As a principle I am with Sally, Druken, Athule and Jash. Non consenual warfare must stay.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.15 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 15/01/2004 16:20:20
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Well, after some good technical steps in PvP this would be a major idealistic drawback in PvP.
It's not realistic in anyway and I am quite disappointed that TomB is going to do it that way.
Quite seriously, if implemented as it stands it tells me something significant:
That this game will NEVER mature. Neither in mentality nor in implementation.
The game is already near freakishly safe compared to other MMOGs, with the only real risk coming from players willing to banish themselves out into the middle of nowhere due to loss of sec rating.
You cannot login to most other MMOGs and visit 90% of the locations worth visiting in near complete safety. And going to 0.0 to mine ark/bist or farm rats is not required to thrive in this game. Rendering non-empire space, in many cases Not Worth Visiting. There isn't even any significant amount of good scenery to brag that a person saw.
The game was designed around the foundation that tensions between the players in competition for resources, market dominance and faction favor would provide the majority of the content through how the players interacted. With Non-Consentual wars and Non-Consentual PvP being valid methods to force compliance.
Bah...I had more on mind to finish this. But why write 8 pages of long winded arguing to fall on deaf ears?
Simple summary:
This goes through and most likely my parting words will be "You flippin CAREBEARS".
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.15 16:26:00 -
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Don't despair Jash, we're in agreement on this one. Lets just lobby the chap and try and get the idea refined to allow non-consensual war in some form that works with the new system.
Clearly TomB isn't a loon (or he wouldn't have bothered floating the idea and inviting comments).
Lets not panic till the fat-lady sings.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.01.15 16:31:00 -
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OK, I read the blog again, and I still can't see where TomB stated that non-consentual war slots will be removed at the same time.
I don't want to read all the comments, though, so somebody please give me a quote.
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Lucas De'Thal
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Posted - 2004.01.15 16:32:00 -
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i'm spamming cause i think this would work and eliminate the consentual war crap:
i thought 1 person had a good idea but i want to elaborate. get rid of the concentual war stuff (ie. crap),
the corp that declares the war has to pay a fee per declaration of war (non concentual)
ex. corp A declares war on corp b, pays 1mil to "concord" whatever
corp A then declares war on corp c, pays 2 mil to "concord"
and so on and so on. so not only do you have to pay for and materials losses but another fee to "concord" that increases with each new declaration (non conentual). make it like a recurring payment every 2 weeks or such.
BUT
if say corp b then declares war back on corp A, corp A will no longer have to pay the fee as it is now mutual.
hopefully it will keep corps from declaring war on the EVE universe (which they could still do, but just be very very costly)
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.15 16:38:00 -
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Yep, for all I got called a communist by those lovely chaps at Taggart ;) I do believe cash is the answer to most dilemmas in balancing.
Making corps pay for non-consensual war decs is the way to go.
Roleplay wars (where both agree) can be free and thats fine.
But for professional mercs and pirates and people going for kills in empire space it would make total sense for them to pay for the maintenance of war decs.
Plus .... the cost of it, would provide a driver for ending war decs.
At the moment there is no real way of encouraging corps to end the status of war. (beyond bashing them).
What do you think TomB?
1+2+4+8+16m per week per war dec? (-10 standing)
(free if the target repicrates with -10 standing)
Is that doable?
And can it work with the system you propose?
Love and peace
(PS ... if you were really daring you could set a various price on each stage of dec based on the total number of decs outstanding. A market economy in murder and mayhem ... think of that!)
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.15 16:50:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 15/01/2004 16:53:12
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Don't despair Jash, we're in agreement on this one. Lets just lobby the chap and try and get the idea refined to allow non-consensual war in some form that works with the new system.
Clearly TomB isn't a loon (or he wouldn't have bothered floating the idea and inviting comments).
Lets not panic till the fat-lady sings.
It's not despair. I've certainly nothing to lose to cause despair. Any development group so willing to destroy their product in knee-jerk reactions to blatant lies, without rational analysis the reality of the situation, will NEVER produce a quality product.
There had been almost enough changes to provide substantial evidence to come to that conclusion. If this gets implemented, the evidence will be conclusive in my eyes.
How can you hope to create a game where the foundation of the content is provided by the tensions between players and how they resolve those tensions if a significant means to resolve those tensions requires people to agree that they don't like each other enough to kill each other?
Games where PvP are less a defining factor have put more effort and thought into the implementation of their PvP systems. This is a game breaker.
Editted P.S.
And it's not just about whether or not this feature gets implemented. It's the fact that they're even considering it and arguing rather agressively for it that's most disturbing.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.01.15 17:49:00 -
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This is to stop 'big' corps declaring war on 'noob' corps, for no reason....
Can anyone name me one instance where this has happened...
As Jash said, the war bought between SPVD and Kiroshi Group has nothing to do with noobs, or pirates.
It is a corp war with a long-standing corp, with far more resources/assets/players than us. The fact that they send their newest players out to get slaughtered is just an indication of the character of their directors.
If it were a noob corp, then I wouldn't have taken the job on.
I personally have no interest in fighting noobs. It is neither a challenge, nor financially worthwhile, nor even fun.
I claim shenanigans on this entire corp, from the guys who 'leave' the corp to help you make bookmarks around our ships, to your 'allies' with their convo/gang/target spamming. The directors have shown what level *they* like to play on, taking their complaints and lying to the devs about the situation.
Anyway, what this boils down to, is that this is a legitimate war being waged for genuine reasons.
Like James Bond, though, our reputation precedes us.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.01.15 19:31:00 -
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i m away for a couple of hours and things get even worse!
what the **** is this?!?
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Druanna
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Posted - 2004.01.15 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Druanna on 15/01/2004 20:19:37
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i m away for a couple of hours and things get even worse!
what the **** is this?!?
It's just Jash trolling again. Nobody is allowed to play the game in any way but his.
In his mind, it's perfectly fine to declare war on a non-pvp(mining, research, trading) corp as long as their member count is larger than yours and/or has been around longer.
I guess to him that means all the starter uni's should be open season for griefers. The starter corps are all MUCH larger and have been around since the first day, so I guess it's ok to grief them in 1.0 systems without their consent.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.01.15 20:29:00 -
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sorry pal, but i m on jash s side in this one.
(and you d have known if you had read the thread...)
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.15 20:31:00 -
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Quote:
Quote:
i m away for a couple of hours and things get even worse!
what the **** is this?!?
It's just Jash trolling again. Nobody is allowed to play the game in any way but his.
In his mind, it's perfectly fine to declare war on a non-pvp(mining, research, trading) corp as long as their member count is larger than yours and/or has been around longer.
I guess to him that means all the starter uni's should be open season for griefers. The starter corps are all MUCH larger and have a massive amount of members, so I guess it's ok to grief them in 1.0 systems without their consent.
You wouldn't know what I want Druanna. I haven't bothered to tell you what I want. And without that bit of knowledge I'll always look contradictory to you as you'll only bark when I say something you don't agree with.
You're a twip who actually thinks shouting "Troll!" in local, sending me stupid evemails insisting that I'm a Polaris and otherwise looking for every method you think will elevated you from nobody to nuisance.
What you don't get is if you're a nobody, you remain there. Now go back under your bridge.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Druanna
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Posted - 2004.01.15 21:05:00 -
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What you don't get is if you're a nobody, you remain there. Now go back under your bridge.
thanks for proving my point, Troll.
oh, and please stop making things up. I've never evemailed you, and I don't yell at/about you in local chat, you're on my blocked list from all the idiotic "stop posting on the forums OR YOU'LL BE SORRY" infantile crap you mailed to me.
end yourself.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.01.15 21:11:00 -
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While I'm here in the CSM thread...
TomB said they were planning on instituting a system to inform CEO's/directors of people their corp has killed/podded.
It's a fantastic idea, and I look forward to it.
BUT
Could you add a new journal, rather than send emails?
that way, you reduce the mail spam, and have a central record that only needs to be on the database once.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.01.15 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: Maud Dib on 15/01/2004 21:47:30
Quote:
Edited by: Jash Illian on 15/01/2004 15:13:57
Kiroshi Group:
Founder: Veyn, Member of Kiroshi Group for 8 months and 8 days
Member Count: 104
Stain Alliance Member
Space Invaders:
Founder: Setec, Member of Space Invaders for 8 months and 1 day
Member Count: 37
CSM Log:
Quote:
Dawnstar > The people who suffer the most from the way corp wars are implemented right now are the newest players to the game, who haven't decided if they are going to stay with it
Reality:
A corporation whose member count outnumbers Space Invaders 3 to 1, has existed for 7 more days than Space Invaders and is a member of a large scale alliance misrepresents themselves as a a defenseless group of new players during the CSM meeting, attempting to use pity and sympathy to have corp wars nerfed.
I sincerely hope TomB, Oveur, GM Panzer and the other developers log into their play characters tonight and convince their corporations to declare war on the Kiroshi Group as well. Such a poorly implemented, blatant attempt at manipulation deserves such a response.
Hell, I hope SA pods the lot of you for making them look bad by association
If this get implemented because of this I hope we all band together and suicide attack them in empire forever. In fact why don't we start now?
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Lucre
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Posted - 2004.01.15 21:51:00 -
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Non-consensual war has to stay - yet at the same time it makes no sense for pirate corps to be able to use declarations of war to freely ignore the law within empire space. It'd be the equivalent of criminals declaring war on a bank so the police wouldn't be allowed to stop them.
What the solution is, I've no idea. Limit the ability to declare war in empire war to those corps which Concord recognise as legitimate. Which could be defined as (off top of head) if the sec status of their members averages above zero?
Would that work? My guess is it's probably exploitable so any better ideas? Because whilst I agree 100% that there has to be a non-consensual war mechanism, such wars should be over power and territory, not a way of getting a licence to pirate in policed space. IMHO. :-)
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.15 22:02:00 -
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Quote:
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What you don't get is if you're a nobody, you remain there. Now go back under your bridge.
thanks for proving my point, Troll.
oh, and please stop making things up. I've never evemailed you, and I don't yell at/about you in local chat, you're on my blocked list from all the idiotic "stop posting on the forums OR YOU'LL BE SORRY" infantile crap you mailed to me.
end yourself.
Druanna, you'll not want to question my word as too many people know I don't lie. And your own actions speak louder than your claims otherwise with you attacking me out the blue both here and in the dev blog.
You don't like my opposition to what I perceive as a stupid move? Fine. That's your option. And it's my option to state as clearly as possible that this move is poorly thought out, shows a lack of understanding in the actual game, shows a severe lack of understanding in the people playing the game and offers nothing but bracket coloring while further increasing the gap between moronic levels of safety and moronic levels of danger.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.01.15 22:15:00 -
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Quote:
Edited by: Maud Dib on 15/01/2004 21:47:30
Quote:
Edited by: Jash Illian on 15/01/2004 15:13:57
Kiroshi Group:
Founder: Veyn, Member of Kiroshi Group for 8 months and 8 days
Member Count: 104
Stain Alliance Member
Space Invaders:
Founder: Setec, Member of Space Invaders for 8 months and 1 day
Member Count: 37
CSM Log:
Quote:
Dawnstar > The people who suffer the most from the way corp wars are implemented right now are the newest players to the game, who haven't decided if they are going to stay with it
Reality:
A corporation whose member count outnumbers Space Invaders 3 to 1, has existed for 7 more days than Space Invaders and is a member of a large scale alliance misrepresents themselves as a a defenseless group of new players during the CSM meeting, attempting to use pity and sympathy to have corp wars nerfed.
I sincerely hope TomB, Oveur, GM Panzer and the other developers log into their play characters tonight and convince their corporations to declare war on the Kiroshi Group as well. Such a poorly implemented, blatant attempt at manipulation deserves such a response.
Hell, I hope SA pods the lot of you for making them look bad by association
If this get implemented because of this I hope we all band together and suicide attack them in empire forever. In fact why don't we start now?
TomB has stated that this was not the reason for these changes. (which on the most part are good)
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.15 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 15/01/2004 22:38:02
Quote:
Quote:
Edited by: Maud Dib on 15/01/2004 21:47:30
Quote:
Edited by: Jash Illian on 15/01/2004 15:13:57
Kiroshi Group:
Founder: Veyn, Member of Kiroshi Group for 8 months and 8 days
Member Count: 104
Stain Alliance Member
Space Invaders:
Founder: Setec, Member of Space Invaders for 8 months and 1 day
Member Count: 37
CSM Log:
Quote:
Dawnstar > The people who suffer the most from the way corp wars are implemented right now are the newest players to the game, who haven't decided if they are going to stay with it
Reality:
A corporation whose member count outnumbers Space Invaders 3 to 1, has existed for 7 more days than Space Invaders and is a member of a large scale alliance misrepresents themselves as a a defenseless group of new players during the CSM meeting, attempting to use pity and sympathy to have corp wars nerfed.
I sincerely hope TomB, Oveur, GM Panzer and the other developers log into their play characters tonight and convince their corporations to declare war on the Kiroshi Group as well. Such a poorly implemented, blatant attempt at manipulation deserves such a response.
Hell, I hope SA pods the lot of you for making them look bad by association
If this get implemented because of this I hope we all band together and suicide attack them in empire forever. In fact why don't we start now?
TomB has stated that this was not the reason for these changes. (which on the most part are good)
drunkenmaster, do you believe we went from:
Quote:
TomB > The problem is that corporations that you call griefing corporations are only using their wars to fight corporations that are not military based and do not want to be in any kind of PvP.
TomB > We understand the concern but I personally have never heared about such problems until now. The design for corporation warfare is very old and we have never had any reason to redesign ... until now.
to:
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War declaration would be both sided, you need to accept war to go into war.
Because this had been in the back of his mind for a couple months?
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Sally
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Posted - 2004.01.15 23:44:00 -
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TomB...
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Stories: #1
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Leitari
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Posted - 2004.01.16 05:54:00 -
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might as well stop it now people, they're not going to listen to our "whining". We all know the solution.
Here, Only the silent survive.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.01.16 12:51:00 -
[56]
sad stuff.
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Tease
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Posted - 2004.01.16 14:02:00 -
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what's with the "hiding" of threads lately? took me forever to dig this one up out of my cache..
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[2003.12.17 06:35:20] Corwin > Orvolle is .4? Doesn't that mean that it's
less than .5 ? and isn't .5 what starts the danger level?
[2003.12.30 07:15:50] Corwin > Tech 2, IE expanded cargo holds I, MIning
lasers 2, etc.... TL2 is being released all around you
[2003.12.30 07:21:20] Corwin > tech 2 is released to players. Some players
are busy researching the BPs before building stuff. Others are sitting on
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Leitari
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Posted - 2004.01.16 16:34:00 -
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they dont feel its necessery for people to read about this stuff.
Here, Only the silent survive.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.01.16 16:56:00 -
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Corp A pokes corp B
Corp B says "quit it"
Corp A pokes Corp B
Corp B says "quit it"
repeat the above about 3432353 more times
Corp B says "we're declaring war on you"
Corp A says "no you aren't"
Corp B says "..." in true Manga style
Corp A pokes Corp B 4783648*10^47 more times
Corp B members start quitting in disgust and/or going pirate
Replace "pokes" above with any sort of annoying or unwelcome yet not-punished-by-CONCORD action.
So i guess the GMs really like harassment petitions after all?
What's been the single most common response to "these guys are ****ing me off?"
That's right. "DECLARE WAR AND STOP WHINING ALREADY!"
Guess CCP likes whining after all? Who knew.
In the above example, Corp A is teh win and will be every time. wtg gg.
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.01.16 17:55:00 -
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Lets see if this works..
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.01.16 18:00:00 -
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Allright, unsticking and re-sticking made the thread visible again.
Let's hope it stays that way, hmm?
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.01.16 19:52:00 -
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thx for making it reappear!
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.01.16 20:18:00 -
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orestes is teh win
guess he just has that "magic touch" 
i don't even know if i'm being sarcastic, it's all been so ridiculous who can &#@?!!ing tell any more 
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
Orestes
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Posted - 2004.01.16 22:22:00 -
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Hey, I didn't break the sticky button
Join the IC! |
shakaZ XIV
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Posted - 2004.01.18 14:04:00 -
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consentual wars = no corp v corp competition element...which i thought was 1 of the major things eve is supposed to be about? 
now some people might say that people that want to fight should just do it in < 0.4, but with your targets being able to jump to 0.5 (and thus complete safety) at any time they feel the need to makes it a bad solution. Its not asif they are ever gonna consent to war.
Now i agree that there should be a penalty for declaring a non-consentual war...something to the tune of 25 mill/week (which is not much for a 5+ member corp but still enough to make peeps think about it whether its worth it or not) + your corps member count/their corps member count * x amount of $, so big corps are less likely to pwn smaller corps. And have the amount of $ be *2 for every new war u create, but still a max of 3 wars at 1 time cause otherwise super wealthy corps/players will exploit it because the war fee would be pocket money for them.
...just an idea. imo the corp v corp competition element should not be thrown away. I can see why non-combat corps (ffs GET a military division?) have a problem with the current way of doing wars and agree its too easy to pick on people especially as no one can be tracked down in eve (btw what happened to the location agent service?) so gank and run attacks on non-combat people is a bit too easy. But consentual only = spineless and a bad solution imho. I think the current system can just be tweaked a little and it would work out fine. 
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