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Robeyone
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Posted - 2004.01.14 15:07:00 -
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Check it out here guys
Updated live as the points and questions are asked.
http://www.ronacorp.com |

DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.01.14 15:11:00 -
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Can't it be hosted else where? The site is filled with adds and stuff i don't really care about. __________________________
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Pann
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Posted - 2004.01.14 15:17:00 -
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*slathers on the glue*
Eve Community Manager [email protected] CCP |

Robeyone
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Posted - 2004.01.14 15:36:00 -
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Sorry about that. Don't blame me I volunteer there. :)
http://www.ronacorp.com |

Vix3n
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Posted - 2004.01.14 15:50:00 -
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for those who hate IGN and they way they RUIN gaminn commuinties
you can vist Here
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Tease
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Posted - 2004.01.14 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Tease on 14/01/2004 15:55:18
Quote: Can't it be hosted else where? The site is filled with adds and stuff i don't really care about.
I think it will be on evegate soon.. I can't read it on the IGN site either because of all the damn ads and popups.
--edit-- hehe! guess it got updated while I was typing  ----------------------------------------- [2003.12.17 06:35:20] Corwin > Orvolle is .4? Doesn't that mean that it's less than .5 ? and isn't .5 what starts the danger level? [2003.12.30 07:15:50] Corwin > Tech 2, IE expanded cargo holds I, MIning lasers 2, etc.... TL2 is being released all around you [2003.12.30 07:21:20] Corwin > tech 2 is released to players. Some players are busy researching the BPs before building stuff. Others are sitting on the BPs making copies to make money off of them that way |

McWatt
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Posted - 2004.01.14 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: McWatt on 14/01/2004 16:09:31 office prices and tech 2 ships. did i miss another usefull question?
seriously, most horrible chat EVER!!!
then a question about corp wars comes up. i m expecting to see "when will ppl be punished for leaving corp at war?" or "when will single player war be introduced finally?" or a simple rant about the absolute uselessness of wars as they stand at the moment.
instead i read a complain about ppl leaving the game and high sec space being not secure enough. wtf???
well, just look at what kind of tech 1 items the guy is asking BPs for and you get his approach...
note to self: declare war on Dawnstars corp...
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Nemesis I
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Posted - 2004.01.14 16:23:00 -
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Ditto :)
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Gan Howorth
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Posted - 2004.01.14 17:32:00 -
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err.. Oh well. 
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.01.14 19:36:00 -
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Quote: Dawnstar > I wanted to ask about the future of corporate wars and what was being done to change them. To elaborate, right now, I and several others I talked with are of the opinion they are not working very well and are actually a detriment to the game as currently implemented. They are being heavily used by corporations to pirate in Empire Space and to allow experienced player killers to harass new players. This problem is driving players away from the game (I know of several people who have left because of this and other who are considering it). I agree with their reasoning too... why should I pay a monthly fee to be a target for a group of griefers who harasses me and my friends at every turn and attempts to extort from me the fruits of my labor?
who decleared war on ur carebear corp? not many ppl will declear war on a corp if the corp hasnt done or said anything against them...
"We brake for nobody"
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.01.14 20:06:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 14/01/2004 20:06:52
Quote: t0rfiFrans > There is no date or details on an Asian release. Admitted there are two "Asian" bloodlines being modelled but there's not more to say about that. t0rfiFrans > *Ahem* t0rfiFrans > . Fuhry > ¼_¼
... O.O;
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2004.01.14 21:19:00 -
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Quote: who decleared war on ur carebear corp? not many ppl will declear war on a corp if the corp hasnt done or said anything against them...
Kudos to the people from CCP and the people asking questions for taking the time to have the summit - just knowing that the office renting situation is on the agenda was worth it by itself. I have to agree though, there are problems with the war system atm - but empire space being too dangerous certainly isn't one of them. War needs to get tougher not easier.
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.01.14 21:28:00 -
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Quote: Edited by: j0sephine on 14/01/2004 20:06:52
Quote: t0rfiFrans > There is no date or details on an Asian release. Admitted there are two "Asian" bloodlines being modelled but there's not more to say about that. t0rfiFrans > *Ahem* t0rfiFrans > . Fuhry > ¼_¼
... O.O;
The Caldari were always supposed to have asian looking avatars 
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Lola
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Posted - 2004.01.14 21:35:00 -
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Quote: Edited by: j0sephine on 14/01/2004 20:06:52
Quote: t0rfiFrans > There is no date or details on an Asian release. Admitted there are two "Asian" bloodlines being modelled but there's not more to say about that. t0rfiFrans > *Ahem* t0rfiFrans > . Fuhry > ¼_¼
... O.O;
I agree with j0. I do remember reading a long time ago that they were trying to make Caldari asian but weren't happy with the results. Other than that little tiny bit of info and maybe the part about TL2 frigs coming "soon(tm)" I'd have to rank this CSM up there in the top worst CSMs  ----------------------------------------- Sig rented by Drethen Nerevitas. |

Taurar
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Posted - 2004.01.14 22:57:00 -
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i wanna apoligize for eve gate sorry for not being at the csm guys tornsoul wasnt able to make it to today's chat.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.01.15 00:36:00 -
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Edited by: Sally on 15/01/2004 06:58:11
Quote: Dawnstar > I wanted to ask about the future of corporate wars and what was being done to change them. To elaborate, right now, I and several others I talked with are of the opinion they are not working very well and are actually a detriment to the game as currently implemented. They are being heavily used by corporations to pirate in Empire Space and to allow experienced player killers to harass new players. This problem is driving players away from the game (I know of several people who have left because of this and other who are considering it). I agree with their reasoning too... why should I pay a monthly fee to be a target for a group of griefers who harasses me and my friends at every turn and attempts to extort from me the fruits of my labor? Mr M > ! Oveur > You are referring to that if you are in a war you can be shot at in Empire space? Dawnstar > The people who suffer the most from the way corp wars are implemented right now are the newest players to the game, who haven't decided if they are going to stay with it. Dawnstar > That's what I am the most concerned with. Oveur > Yes, so you are referring to that if youre corporation is in a war with another corporation, they can shoot at you in empire space without police retaliation? Dawnstar > Yes, to an extent, plus that wars can be easily declared Oveur > Well, I'll assume you are. There is a limit to how many corps you can be at war with and you can't declare war on newbie corps TomB > The problem is that corporations that you call griefing corporations are only using their wars to fight corporations that are not military based and do not want to be in any kind of PvP. Dawnstar > PEople quit the game because of this Dawnstar > If I came to the game to play manufacturing or trading, why should I be forced to play PvP, why waste my money? Dawnstar > So, no changes in the forseeable future? TomB > We understand the concern but I personally have never heared about such problems until now. The design for corporation warfare is very old and we have never had any reason to redesign ... until now. Oveur > And from a player perspective you can submit a Harassment petition if the are only doing this to grief you. Thraxed > disregard clearing chat bug TomB > I have added this to my TODO list Dawnstar, thanks for the feedback and I'm sorry this hasn't been raised as an issue to me before. Dawnstar > ok, thank you GM Panzer > We at CS agree that this needs to be fixed in some way as we see a lot of petitions over this issue, but still I think the reasoning that you mentioned is a bit like saying "why should I buy a game where everybody wants to shoot me in the head" when deciding whether to buy CS or not :) Oveur > uhm, CS as in Counter-Strike, right ? :) TomB > . GM Panzer > yes..hmm the first oone is Customer Support, the second Counter Strike :) GM Panzer > Support is not for sale :) Mr M > But they will shoot you in the head? Oveur > Mr M, yes if you play Counter-Strike with them Pann > The floor is yours, Thraxed.
Okay. Sorry, but this is somehow lame.
You are crying to the devs because SPVD declared war upon you? You should be more proffesional.
- We declared war to a SA corp, with triple our numbers. - Two of your friend corps (aswell in the SA) declared war to us. - Kiroshi Group participated in the destruction of several SPVD vessels inlcuing a battleship and you are using some nice tactics and we had to adapt to it hardly. - You have some senior members with 8-9 months game play experience in your corp.
Now you can't ask us to stop shooting your junior corp members. Protect them.
We have 9 wars ongoing, most of them declared upon us.
You are free to use in game tactics to win the war against us, using out of game and out of context tactics is somehow lame in my opinion and I am really annoyed that TomB and GM Panzer are paying any attention to you without checking your personal situation and the situation of your corp further.
I have seen some of the members of your corp stating in local, that the war is fun, that something should happen, cause it got quite boring for them. Some of them had their fun as they were taking our ships down.
So everything has two faces, I'd like to see you not whining about this war in the CSMs, you should be able to solve your in game problems (war) with in game solutions (creative response(s)). Even if it would mean, that Kiroshi disbands and former members join new corps.
Sorry to say that. -- Stories: #1 --
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Slagg
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Posted - 2004.01.15 01:09:00 -
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Those CSM are just stupid carebear events for stupid carebears. I hope that the devs only pretend to actually listen to that dribbel.
PEOPLE LEAVE BECAUSE THEY ARE BORED, GET IT?
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BamBam Rubble
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Posted - 2004.01.15 02:31:00 -
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That blew. Talk about dud questions!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.15 06:52:00 -
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Oh my lord, I agree with Sally, totally.
/emote goes for a stiff coffee ...
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2004.01.15 08:34:00 -
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I dont want to be negative, but i really dont hope this people asking questions, speaks for us all. I hardly can agree to one of the questions asked.
There are many more importent things to be asked, and 90% of them asked in this log are not at all urgent.
-- Lady Beeblebrox
Teddybears movies
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Kipkruide
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Posted - 2004.01.15 10:49:00 -
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lol nice to see every responce, well about is from si, or si alt, just as we expected. :).. well except for jade that is.
it's quite simple, we will fight you, we just don't want to and don't believe we should be forced to, you may differ of opinion, i feel empire space should be free of all piracy. you can disagree np, just don't expect us to agree with you, fight in 0.0 space.
if you want to voice different opinions, feel free to apply for the next csm. that's what they are there for, to voice opinions, not opinions that people neccesarely agree with.
downgrade the pvp i say 
well, that's my opinion, have fun with it
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.01.15 12:23:00 -
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Quote: lol nice to see every responce, well about is from si, or si alt, just as we expected. :).. well except for jade that is.
You have a serious problem. You assume too much. -- Stories: #1 --
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Jael Markinsen
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Posted - 2004.01.15 13:42:00 -
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Hmmm, whatever happened to the pirate delegate? Was vegeta I think? Just curious on what happened to him not being there and representing that segment of the gameplay.
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Lord Guerdo
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Posted - 2004.01.15 14:23:00 -
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Quote: lol nice to see every responce, well about is from si, or si alt, just as we expected. :).. well except for jade that is.
it's quite simple, we will fight you, we just don't want to and don't believe we should be forced to, you may differ of opinion, i feel empire space should be free of all piracy. you can disagree np, just don't expect us to agree with you, fight in 0.0 space.
if you want to voice different opinions, feel free to apply for the next csm. that's what they are there for, to voice opinions, not opinions that people neccesarely agree with.
downgrade the pvp i say 
well, that's my opinion, have fun with it
Does everything that comes out of your mouth utter drivel?
If you dont want to fight hit that surrender button.
Everyone on here an SI alt? nub.
and WTF is a member of your corp doing on a CSM wasting valuable question time with useless whinning about wars, have a word with yourself and your corp.
Where are all the sensible questions, fleet battle lag, roid collision detection?
sorry dudes but next time get some better questions and some players with some experience not a bunch of gutless whinning carebear nubs.
Lord Guerdo Biomass Cartel
I mean c'mon, just think about it. What would make more sense then the 3 most hated alliances teaming up to lay waste to the people they all hate anyways? CA is already allied with PA, and TPS lies between the two alliances. Natural allies to be sure. But it's not just that, all but PA (and even some of them) have adopted a "stfu and die, or come and fight us, we don't give a **** what you think or do" philosophy, as well as a PvP Kill everyone not friend kind of mentality. These are the people in eve that kill or convert, the ones dedicated to the death of others, because history, circumstance, and the rest of eve have driven then to do so (except TPS, who are just cool ass pirates ). |

Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2004.01.15 14:25:00 -
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Quote:
if you want to voice different opinions, feel free to apply for the next csm. that's what they are there for, to voice opinions, not opinions that people neccesarely agree with.
BTW, how does one get into a CSM team? I don't necessarily want to be one, but I've never worked out how people are chosen and/or how to apply.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.01.15 15:02:00 -
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I can't remember, athule, but I'm sure they post information.
I think it's just a case of emailing the right people, and being available at the right time of day. Unfortunately, this season's meetings coincide with me being at work, so it would not have been an option.
The new war system tomB is working on should also jam a spike up the ass of these 'I'm part of a non-empire alliance, yet I don't want to fight for them' types. They will either have to leave their alliance, or prey that their alliance never sets a -10 standing to *anyone*, ever.
But I have to agree, wasting people's time in a CSM chat, and asking questions, which are basically thinly-veiled lies, to encourage a sympathetic response, is about as weak-ass as I can imagine.
The CSM is for the community to bring issues to light that are important, not a soap-box for blaming people of things they haven't done, and trying to save your own ass by telling tall tales. .
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Cloudbase
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Posted - 2004.01.15 15:08:00 -
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I'm definitely no alt of nobody and that CSM was rather on the poor side!
More interesting questions (as said elsewhere): battle lag; frigate extinction; post castor performance & options to degrade gfx; player owned structures & territory control; storyline & content interaction with players; jovians; alliance warfare etc.
I have little experience with PvP yet but have to ask what else are people/carebears building up money & assets for?!
CB 6 mil skill points & looking to emmigrate to 0.0 land soon... |

Cloudbase
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Posted - 2004.01.15 15:09:00 -
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I'm definitely no alt of nobody and that CSM was rather on the poor side...
More interesting questions (as said elsewhere): battle lag; frigate extinction; post castor performance & options to degrade gfx; player owned structures & territory control; storyline & content interaction with players; jovians; alliance warfare etc.
I have little experience with PvP yet but have to ask what else are people/carebears building up money & assets for?!
CB 6 mil skill points & looking to emmigrate to 0.0 land soon... |

Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.15 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 15/01/2004 15:13:57 Kiroshi Group: Founder: Veyn, Member of Kiroshi Group for 8 months and 8 days Member Count: 104 Stain Alliance Member
Space Invaders: Founder: Setec, Member of Space Invaders for 8 months and 1 day Member Count: 37
CSM Log:
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Dawnstar > The people who suffer the most from the way corp wars are implemented right now are the newest players to the game, who haven't decided if they are going to stay with it
Reality: A corporation whose member count outnumbers Space Invaders 3 to 1, has existed for 7 more days than Space Invaders and is a member of a large scale alliance misrepresents themselves as a a defenseless group of new players during the CSM meeting, attempting to use pity and sympathy to have corp wars nerfed.
I sincerely hope TomB, Oveur, GM Panzer and the other developers log into their play characters tonight and convince their corporations to declare war on the Kiroshi Group as well. Such a poorly implemented, blatant attempt at manipulation deserves such a response.
Hell, I hope SA pods the lot of you for making them look bad by association 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |

Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.01.15 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 15/01/2004 16:09:42
Those sure aren't pretty figures Jash I have to admit, and something sure smelled fishy when Sally and I ended up on the same side of the argument ;)
Edit (damn - trust me not to read dev-blogs)
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