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Loyal Servant Caldari Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.06.14 17:30:00 - [1] Linkage From the article: "The service is supported across games such as Blizzard Entertainment's World of Warcraft, Turbine's Lord of the Rings Online, Sony Online Entertainment's EverQuest 2, and CCP's EVE Online." So, is that true CCP? Or are they making this one up? If that is true, you now support isk farmers and macro miners.
Velocitee The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.14 17:35:00 - [2] That's disturbing.

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.06.14 17:37:00 - [3] No, they are making this up, I don't know what kind of website that is but I'm going to forward this to some people. Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.14 17:37:00 - [4] "supported" by who? It doesn't say edeveloper support so the easiest spin is that players use it therefore it is "supported" not exactly a credible report Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon!
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.06.14 17:38:00 - [5] They might have meant "this service supports [these games]", as in "these are the games we'll be catering to". I can't see either CCP, nor Blizzard for that matter, "supporting" currency sellers. --------
Antibac The Phoenix Rising Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.14 17:39:00 - [6] Their website definately offers ISK for sale for RL cash: link

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.06.14 17:40:00 - [7] It's fairly common for people to claim that they're not selling ISK or items, they're selling their time spent getting it and other inventive reasons to have people believe they won't be banned if they buy ISK/items/characters etc. Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Talkie Toaster Amarr Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2007.06.14 17:40:00 - [8] regardless, isk or items for cash is happening every day, on auction sites you can buy the macro to make a ton of isk, macroers and sweatshops are making hundreds of characters to make money day in day out. all that happens if the site got shut would be that it would be "slightly" harder to sell your stuff for real cash. even then, eve activly supports selling isk for cash with the GTC trade system with the "i'm rich so i can buy 73 squillion GTCs and sell them in game for 150 mill each" mindset that some people have.
Loyal Servant Caldari Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.06.14 17:41:00 - [9] Originally by: CCP Wrangler No, they are making this up, I don't know what kind of website that is but I'm going to forward this to some people. Agreed. I figured it was not true. The article eludes to CCP support in it's wording. I figured this was not the case, but it can be a problem for CCP when people cry over getting smacked with the ban stick. Either way they are either making false statements, or they are telling the truth but your response basically said what most of us knew.... no isk selling :)
Loyal Servant Caldari Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.06.14 17:45:00 - [10] Originally by: Talkie Toaster regardless, isk or items for cash is happening every day, on auction sites you can buy the macro to make a ton of isk, macroers and sweatshops are making hundreds of characters to make money day in day out. all that happens if the site got shut would be that it would be "slightly" harder to sell your stuff for real cash. even then, eve activly supports selling isk for cash with the GTC trade system with the "i'm rich so i can buy 73 squillion GTCs and sell them in game for 150 mill each" mindset that some people have. I cannot say I agree with the system. HOWEVER...... it is a safe, legitimate way to get isk. I know it puts a small dent in the farmers activites. if the GTCs were just a little cheaper it would put a larger dent in them.
Taran Summers The Merovingians	Posted - 2007.06.14 17:51:00 - [11] Originally by: CCP Wrangler No, they are making this up, I don't know what kind of website that is but I'm going to forward this to some people. ZOMG. Its true. The reason you don't see large numbers of macros banned is because EVE has a RL hit squad. I bet Hutch is a knee-breaker.
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.14 18:03:00 - [12] And you thought only your ingame char would get deleted if you get banned...
Toria Nynys Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.14 18:04:00 - [13] CCP is by far the best anti-farmer MMO company out there. Just think about the whole secure GTC for ISK system -- the sole intent is to throw a monkey wrench into the gold selling/laundering biz. Anyone who thinks even for a moment that CCP policy supports gold farming&selling is deluded.

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.06.14 18:04:00 - [14] Originally by: Taran Summers Originally by: CCP Wrangler No, they are making this up, I don't know what kind of website that is but I'm going to forward this to some people. ZOMG. Its true. The reason you don't see large numbers of macros banned is because EVE has a RL hit squad. I bet Hutch is a knee-breaker. Originally by: Aramendel And you thought only your ingame char would get deleted if you get banned... Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.14 18:17:00 - [15] Edited by: voogru on 14/06/2007 18:20:00 Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Taran Summers Originally by: CCP Wrangler No, they are making this up, I don't know what kind of website that is but I'm going to forward this to some people. ZOMG. Its true. The reason you don't see large numbers of macros banned is because EVE has a RL hit squad. I bet Hutch is a knee-breaker. Originally by: Aramendel And you thought only your ingame char would get deleted if you get banned... I think a very very strong deterrent to buying ISK would be to: 1. Constantly warn that buying ISK will result in a ban, including when you first login. Needs to be made more blatantly clear. 2. Ban the account for first offense. 3. Public name and shame for all characters who were buying ISK, and how much they bought. (character names only, no RL names). 4. Stats on the front page of how many characters get banned daily and how many characters have been banned for buying ISK. But... only in my wildest dreams. Originally by: Toria Nynys CCP is by far the best anti-farmer MMO company out there. Just think about the whole secure GTC for ISK system -- the sole intent is to throw a monkey wrench into the gold selling/laundering biz. Anyone who thinks even for a moment that CCP policy supports gold farming&selling is deluded. Insecure GTC trading needs to be outlawed however.
Loyal Servant Caldari Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.06.14 18:18:00 - [16] Originally by: Toria Nynys CCP is by far the best anti-farmer MMO company out there. Just think about the whole secure GTC for ISK system -- the sole intent is to throw a monkey wrench into the gold selling/laundering biz. Anyone who thinks even for a moment that CCP policy supports gold farming&selling is deluded. Debatable. I am on the front lines.... What would be cool is if CCP gave me free time because I gank farmers :) Start a petition: Giv Loyal Servant a free account because he helps clean up Eve :) All bs aside, I send in petition after petition and I keep track of them. All CCP has to do is follow the isk like we tell them, and disallow 1 year old isk farmers' n00b corp rights. They also need to go after people that publish articles like that one, which is on Slashdot and gaining in the press at this time. They need to do some damage control, such as a statement that this article is false that all players see - not all players read the forums... but may have seen the article. Wrangler?
Elmicker The Phoenix Rising Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.14 18:20:00 - [17] I wonder how many people buy ISK without knowing it is an offence... I wonder if this is the ISK sellers' main target market. Just about every time you so much as squeak in a noob corp chat, you're bombared with mails saying "BUY OUR ISK, 10% CHEAPER BECAUSE WE ♥ YOU!!" often directing to sites like this, which state it is legal. It must be enough to take some people in. I wonder if its time for a big, proper MOTD to flash up when you log in stating that it is illegal to buy ISK for IRL cash.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.14 18:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Elmicker I wonder how many people buy ISK without knowing it is an offence... I wonder if this is the ISK sellers' main target market. Just about every time you so much as squeak in a noob corp chat, you're bombared with mails saying "BUY OUR ISK, 10% CHEAPER BECAUSE WE ♥ YOU!!" often directing to sites like this, which state it is legal. It must be enough to take some people in. I wonder if its time for a big, proper MOTD to flash up when you log in stating that it is illegal to buy ISK for IRL cash. Lots, a lot of people that buy ISK don't know it's against the EULA. Thats why I'm saying to make it more blatant that it is against the EULA, so they can throw away the "Oh I didnt know that" excuse. You know, perhaps it wouldnt be such a bad idea to send out EVE-Mails from CCP every once in a while to remind people of the most basic rules.
Toria Nynys Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.14 18:35:00 - [19] Just last month we had a 'Reminder: buying ISK is against the EULA' login message. I think a less cryptic message of 'Buy ISK for real money and you WILL be punished, we're serious about this' message would have been clearer, or a 'Last month we banned X accounts for buying&selling EvE assets out of game.' But what else do you want? Also, if someone wants to farm that's their choice. It's only when they start selling in-game assets for cash that they become a big issue. All I know is macro petitions are answered, and if the macroer is AFK when the GM shows up they do disappear. I've seen it happen several times now. Laundered ISK money trails ARE followed and the obvious violators are punished. There are a LOT of macros and even more sweatshop workers. CCP staff is limited, you must realize. They must prioritize between supporting players and hunting violators. And sort out cases where ISK sellers set up macro hunters by transfering money to them and reporting them for gold buying. And the like. My statement that CCP does better vs. farmers than ANY other MMO still stands. Give me a counter example if you wish to debate.
Gord Ackfordham Caldari Fenscore Enterprises	Posted - 2007.06.14 18:41:00 - [20] wouldn't surprise me... i've petitioned a certain set of macrominers 3 times and only one member of the team ever got banned... they've since replaced that banned character with another macro, but the whole team still remains. all i've gotten in return for petitioning them was the standard "we'll look into it". --gordo
Loyal Servant Caldari Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.06.14 18:42:00 - [21] Originally by: Toria Nynys Just last month we had a 'Reminder: buying ISK is against the EULA' login message. I think a less cryptic message of 'Buy ISK for real money and you WILL be punished, we're serious about this' message would have been clearer, or a 'Last month we banned X accounts for buying&selling EvE assets out of game.' But what else do you want? Legalese does not work on people that are not attorneys, or do not know how to decode it. I think your right, because some people do not know what an EULA is... A consideration is that they should ban them in massive quantities then publicize it so it hits the media.
Hyldabrand	Posted - 2007.06.14 18:48:00 - [22] Originally by: CCP Wrangler It's fairly common for people to claim that they're not selling ISK or items, they're selling their time spent getting it and other inventive reasons to have people believe they won't be banned if they buy ISK/items/characters etc. But not if it's through CCP in which CCP gets a piece of the action...
Keira Fordring Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.06.14 18:55:00 - [23] As for the "supported across games...", that doesn't mean the games themselves endorse the service but rather the service will be selling currency for those games. Blizzard filed a federal lawsuit (finally) against a goldselling website (p3ons4hire or some such) last month. Hopefully they'll win and set a precedence to rid MMOs of these vermin.
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. Southern Connection	Posted - 2007.06.14 18:55:00 - [24] I think that CCP should call everyone at their relative 0300 hrs and whisper, "Buying ISK is illegal" before breathing heavily for two-minutes and hanging up. _______________ Pwett CEO and Founder [QTC]QUANT Corp.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.06.14 18:59:00 - [25] The whois information for sparter.com makes interesting reading.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.06.14 19:01:00 - [26] Originally by: Adonis 4174 The whois information for sparter.com makes interesting reading. Yeah? --------
Alz Shado Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.14 19:09:00 - [27] Originally by: Adonis 4174 The whois information for sparter.com makes interesting reading. So does Anda's Game
Micia Minmatar Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.14 19:17:00 - [28] Originally by: Piece Of Crap Website Granted, many will be newbs, but give them a chance. Please... think of the newbs... </Struthers>
Lady Natacha Minmatar Water and Power	Posted - 2007.06.14 19:19:00 - [29] They probably got lots of isk to sell too given all the farming of courier missions that is currently going on.
Vana Gank Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.14 19:26:00 - [30] Originally by: CCP Wrangler No, they are making this up, I don't know what kind of website that is but I'm going to forward this to some people. I take it you meant that your colleagues are out of ISK, and they desperatly needed to get some? -------------------------- Please adjust the map, please. Im not clever enough to figure out which way to fly.
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.14 19:39:00 - [31] I dunno, can't see how CCP are in favor of ISK selling. I was on an alt the other day, and in noob corp chat, I saw someone advertising such a site. I petitioned that, and within a minute, that person was gone. A few minutes later, another one popped up, advertising the same site, so, petition again, and within another 90 seconds, that one was gone. After that, all quiet in corp chat. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.14 20:02:00 - [32] Originally by: CCP Wrangler It's fairly common for people to claim that they're not selling ISK or items, they're selling their time spent getting it and other inventive reasons to have people believe they won't be banned if they buy ISK/items/characters etc. So to clarify: are they wrong? A few seconds spent searching ebay reveals plenty of characters for sale, I mean people "selling their service" that is. Many of them don't trouble to hide the name of the character. Although I don't personally have any moral issues with people selling characters for RL cash - it's not something that I'd want to do myself; I care for Mal far too much - it seems like a relatively trivial amount of effort could make the trade much harder.
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.14 20:36:00 - [33] So CCP is once again playing the "we don't support RMT" game, but continue to support ISK for cash through their own website... talk about double standards == Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Loyal Servant Caldari Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.06.14 20:41:00 - [34] Originally by: hydraSlav So CCP is once again playing the "we don't support RMT" game, but continue to support ISK for cash through their own website... talk about double standards Revolt: Don't pay them. Don't recommend the game..... The list goes on. Yes, it is a double standard. They are just being good capitalists and tapping the CA$H stream that ***** morons pay others for isk because they are too ***** lazy to do it themselves.
Toria Nynys Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.14 23:50:00 - [35] There's the theoretical ideal Utopian world, and then there's the real world. People with real jobs can do the math on grinding for the equivalent of 6c/hr, or just paying some punk a few bucks to avoid the grind. What CCP has done is work at making it harder to farm on a professional basis. Once again, I ask what more can you ask for? Buying in-game resources out of game has happened before, is happening, and will happen in the future. IMO CCP is doing a fantastic job of balancing squashing farmers and taking proactive anti-farming measures with, oh, you know, running the game.
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:18:00 - [36] Edited by: DubanFP on 15/06/2007 00:17:56 Personally i think the best thing you can do about isk buyers is hit em' young. Put it in the first paragraph of the newbie training tutorial. Nobody will be able to pull the "but i didn't know" card after that. ____________ Dark Shikari> If at first you don't succeed, whine about t20.

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