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Thesas Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.06.14 21:01:00 - [61] You must realize that many non English speakers have difficulty speaking, much less writing, in anything other than formal. Idioms, contractions, and slang are not things easily learned in your second or third language. I do not use casual English well. It is not that we are ôuptightö, for we can converse at any level in our native language, but when learned in a formal college, it will be apparent to anyone reading what we write. I was amazed when I read the Eve player guide and noticed the first word under ôtips and tricksö is misspelled.
Kazuo Ishiguro	Posted - 2007.06.14 21:12:00 - [62] I endorse this thread. However, it probably belongs elsewhere... ------ Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant tanking
Demarcus Project Gemini EternalRising	Posted - 2007.06.14 21:17:00 - [63] Originally by: Alpha Agent Edited by: Alpha Agent on 14/06/2007 18:08:56 Originally by: Keira Fordring The only thing I disagree with is that a "character" can, in fact, be a "toon". I understand from where your disagreement stems, however in the English language, "toon" is a colloquial shortening of "cartoon", the definition of which is universally accepted as an animation. In American-adapted English, "toon" may refer to any number of animated characters in such an animation. Under no definition does "toon" apply to a non-animated character. I can see why "toon" might be applicable in a game such as World of Warcraft, where your character could be defined as a "toon" under lax American English, however this terminology is not relevant to this game since your character is not animated (yet). Cartoons were around literally hundreds of years before animation. Cartoons are in fact static images. Animation is cartoons (single static frames) in motion. So in fact my characters portrait is a toon. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.14 21:26:00 - [64] Edited by: Robert Dobbs on 14/06/2007 21:25:05 "toon" is a terrible word and it is a word I generally associate with character traders (oh look mum, I bought a new character every month! aren't I cool!). I don't think the word "toon" is technically even a word in English, is it? --------- <Talon`dor\|Work> Arma - yeah but we call BNC dirty boosterhoes
Starquinia Minmatar Starfield United Technologies LLP	Posted - 2007.06.14 21:41:00 - [65] Funny enough, a lot of the OPs points are in a nice article called "10 flagrant grammar mistakes that make you look stupid". I prefer avatar to "toon". Using toon lacks style. -------------------------------------- See the Eve History Wiki, where YOU won the GNW!
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.06.14 21:50:00 - [66] Toon makes me think of furry fetishism and that upsets me. ----- English is a complex language. Use it as best you can.
Brackun Pilots Of Honour	Posted - 2007.06.14 21:51:00 - [67] Originally by: Adonis 4174 Toon makes me think of furry fetishism and that upsets me. Yeah. _________ Don't use the word "toon" to refer to your character, people find this irritating and it may label you a mentally handicapped individual.
Cowboy Nuggets Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.06.14 22:11:00 - [68] This is a crap thread...I've got news for you, this is the internet. In internet culture people don't use proper english, nor do they care about it. Hell, you should consider yourself lucky if someone uses punctuation in their post! Most people don't post in forums the same way they speak, and as well educated as you try to come off you should know that. News flash for you here too: people on the internet also lingo such as "lol, qft, imho, etc..." Also, I have a pointer for you. Forums are divided into catagories, and you choose where to put your post according to those catagories. You decided to post this thread in Eve General Discussion, when it obviously has nothing to do with Eve, generally... You should have posted this in the Off Topic section, aka Out of Pod Experience, since this is obviously off topic. I guess this eluded you, even with your sophisticated english skills that seem to put you on a high horse above everyone else.
Ryan Scouse'UK	Posted - 2007.06.14 22:20:00 - [69] to the OP .. GO fu** ur self.. & ur little CAT to.. This is EVE.. not school now be GONE!
Mari Onette	Posted - 2007.06.14 22:29:00 - [70] Olny srmat poelpe can do tihs. I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! /If you can't figure out someone ment you're instead of your by the context they use the word in, there is something wrong with your brain.
Cowboy Nuggets Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.06.14 22:31:00 - [71] Originally by: Mari Onette Olny srmat poelpe can do tihs. I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! /If you can't figure out someone ment you're instead of your by the context they use the word in, there is something wrong with your brain. It is true...
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.06.14 22:40:00 - [72] By the way, Cambridge university never carried out the research claimed. ----- English is a complex language. Use it as best you can.
Ekscalybur	Posted - 2007.06.14 22:46:00 - [73] Probably already posted, but turrents drives me bananas. I'm so happy I don't see it much in this game. Playing Tribes used to make me go absolutely ape**** though, lol.
Manus Stuprare DN Cloning Division	Posted - 2007.06.14 22:50:00 - [74] Originally by: Mari Onette If you can't figure out someone ment you're instead of your by the context they use the word in, there is something wrong with your brain. See, it's not a question of whether or not you can figure out what's meant, it's a question of whether you should have to. Forums like this are an instance of one-to-many communication. If the (one) writer doesn't put in the effort to make his post easy to understand, then the (many) readers have to put in more effort to understand it. That adds up to much more work overall. In my opinion (which seems to be shared by lots of people in this thread) it's just horribly bad manners to write in a way that's slack, lazy and hard to read. People who do so are effectively saying "my time is worth more than that of everyone else added up", which is vastly more arrogant than anything said by the OP. -------------- Poisoning the Chalice: Smartbombs as a Counter to Nos.
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.06.14 22:54:00 - [75] Unfortunately, when not quite in a focused state of mind, slips like the they're/their/there happen to the best of people. Some say it's a sign of the impending apocalypse. --- WTS: Forum Signatures, price negotiable. Evemail me!
Cowboy Nuggets Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.06.14 22:56:00 - [76] Originally by: Manus Stuprare Originally by: Mari Onette If you can't figure out someone ment you're instead of your by the context they use the word in, there is something wrong with your brain. See, it's not a question of whether or not you can figure out what's meant, it's a question of whether you should have to. Forums like this are an instance of one-to-many communication. If the (one) writer doesn't put in the effort to make his post easy to understand, then the (many) readers have to put in more effort to understand it. That adds up to much more work overall. In my opinion (which seems to be shared by lots of people in this thread) it's just horribly bad manners to write in a way that's slack, lazy and hard to read. People who do so are effectively saying "my time is worth more than that of everyone else added up", which is vastly more arrogant than anything said by the OP. Um, no. The things mentioned by the OP were nitpicky little bull***, NOT anything that would take any sort of effort whatsoever to decode what they were trying to say. If it does take you any effort* to understand, then you my friend have some problems beyond the help we are able to offer in this forum.
Jimer Lins Gallente Sanctuary	Posted - 2007.06.14 22:59:00 - [77] It's impossible to fix stupid, and I gave up on willful ignorance pridefully inflicted on the community a long time ago. Among the things guaranteed to make sure I don't read what you have to say or dismiss you out of hand are excessively using "leet" shorthand, lazy typing, gratuitous misspellings, atrocious grammar and spittle-flecked rants peppered with any or all of the above. And really, don't bother to defend poor communication skills as part of some "culture". I'm part of the so-called "internet culture" and have been since its inception, and I refuse to accept that said culture is defined by those who can't communicate with their own species and take some kind of obscure pride in that fact. Explorer? Join SEARCh today!
Dread Phantom Caldari Project-Chaos	Posted - 2007.06.14 23:03:00 - [78] Originally by: Angellyne Originally by: Alpha Agent Originally by: Adonis 4174 The correct phrase "I could care less" is an insult implying through sarcasm that you could not care less. It is an insult. I will be charitable and assume you don't understand sarcasm. Have a nice day. You have indirectly answered my original post. Through your "interesting" thoughts on sarcasm, I now understand that there are some who will never grasp simple concepts of language or dialect. The only thing I can hope is that my original post might have persuaded one or two people to think more carefully before they post utter drivel on these forums. "I could care less!" "I should be so lucky!" "Tell me about it!" All valid. As their actual meanings are the opposite of their literal meanings, they are sarcastic. Do some research, find out the origins of these and other slang phrases, and your mind may open. By the way, your arrogance is irritating. If you want to help people write and speak correctly, good for you. However, appointing yourself the champion of correctness, particularly when arguing over slang phrases, makes the very people you might help more likely to ignore whatever lessons you have to offer.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.06.14 23:07:00 - [79] How's about a compromise? If you care about people reading what you have to say, put effort into saying it properly. If not, don't. Your call. If you want to whine about people not typing things properly, get a life and stop wasting effort reading stuff people can't be bothered to type properly. As for easily readable, I got a message recently saying "thanks for no going shops" - care to guess what this person was wittering about? ----- English is a complex language. Use it as best you can.
Letheeth Kayl Amarr Chosen Path FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.14 23:08:00 - [80] ! iz ah-murkun. ! thpeek engrash goot. Actually, I try to make it a point to keep my grammar and punctuation as good as I can get them (though my sentence structure and asides get out of hand all the time). As an Ex-WoW player, I always detested the the shortening and destruction of decent grammar, and it amused me how proper punctuation confused people in that game. I stand by the phrase "'toon", which is alot easier to type than "Character" and can be used along with alt. Both of which I picked up from WoW, where speed is more important than accuracy. As some people in the EvE comuntiy play/played WoW, it's natural for some words to cross over. As an American, I'm rather self-centered in thinking that the way I learned to speak out here in California (mit der Govenator) is the right way to speak, and everyone else (especially the English) talk funny. The South is exempt from this because Southerners are by and large decent, friendly, and, in general, awesome people, and I'm familiar with the way they talk. Y'all and All Y'all are common in my vocabulary. One last note, I learned almost all my grammar (after they stopped teaching grammar in grammar school in favor of Multiple Choice Standardized tests, /me flips the bird at George W. Bush) from my German and Arabic studies. You can't learn a grammar rule in another language wihtout learning it's counterpart in your native tongue first. Whahlkum ter Murkah, learn ter spake ENGRASH! Put down the mirror and return to live With pain With sin With despair Live with penance in God's glory Lesson of Tobias and the Mirror Scriptures Verses26-29
Mifter Hogdido Amarr The 0ri	Posted - 2007.06.14 23:22:00 - [81] I have not read through the entire thread and wont, but I do feel the need to say something. I am not a perfect English speaker or typer, but one thing that truly annoys me is when little children use "teh" instead of "the" the proper way. Seriously, it is getting ridiculous, it does not sound "cool" it does not make you look "cool" or "l33t", it just shows plain immaturity in my view.
Manus Stuprare DN Cloning Division	Posted - 2007.06.14 23:24:00 - [82] Originally by: Cowboy Nuggets Um, no. The things mentioned by the OP were nitpicky little bull***, NOT anything that would take any sort of effort whatsoever to decode what they were trying to say. If it does take you any effort* to understand, then you my friend have some problems beyond the help we are able to offer in this forum. Not sure why you felt the need to resort to a personal attack, perhaps you'd care to comment on that? Looking back at the OP some of it is a bit picky maybe, but I think my point is still valid. Reading always takes some effort, reading misspelled or badly composed sentences obviously takes more. For instance, when I read "ur" the first thing my brain comes up with sounds like "oor", there's a bit of a double take before I decipher it into "you are". -------------- Poisoning the Chalice: Smartbombs as a Counter to Nos.
Cowboy Nuggets Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.06.14 23:36:00 - [83] Originally by: Manus Stuprare Originally by: Cowboy Nuggets Um, no. The things mentioned by the OP were nitpicky little bull***, NOT anything that would take any sort of effort whatsoever to decode what they were trying to say. If it does take you any effort* to understand, then you my friend have some problems beyond the help we are able to offer in this forum. Not sure why you felt the need to resort to a personal attack, perhaps you'd care to comment on that? Looking back at the OP some of it is a bit picky maybe, but I think my point is still valid. Reading always takes some effort, reading misspelled or badly composed sentences obviously takes more. For instance, when I read "ur" the first thing my brain comes up with sounds like "oor", there's a bit of a double take before I decipher it into "you are". I didn't mean to personally attack anyone, what part was the attack? Also, I agree about badly composed sentences that are virtually unreadable. However, that was not the the subject of this thread. The subject of this thread was people forgetting to put apostrophes in conjunctions I believe.
Zaphod Jones Minmatar Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.14 23:37:00 - [84] can we bring back floggings too ?(and not just for Amarr) ...and people that end a sentence with a preposition need to be publicly shat on. oh ..bugger ! Anarchy Empire is recruiting US/OZ Corps
Redbad Minmatar Tempered Steel Legion	Posted - 2007.06.14 23:42:00 - [85] Honour or honor? join us today!
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:01:00 - [86] You missed should of I'm not english but I do believe the textbook still says should have or should've despite them chavs best efforts.
Manus Stuprare DN Cloning Division	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:03:00 - [87] Originally by: Cowboy Nuggets I didn't mean to personally attack anyone, what part was the attack? Originally by: Cowboy Nuggets If it does take you any effort to understand, then you my friend have some problems beyond the help we are able to offer in this forum. Looks pretty personal to me :p Originally by: Cowboy Nuggets Also, I agree about badly composed sentences that are virtually unreadable. However, that was not the the subject of this thread. The subject of this thread was people forgetting to put apostrophes in conjunctions I believe. It seemed to me that the thread had already broadened to a more general spelling/grammar discussion than that encompassed by the OP. Even so, stuff like "your" instead of "you're" is uncomfortable and jarring for me to read. -------------- Poisoning the Chalice: Smartbombs as a Counter to Nos.
DarkFenix Caldari Pilots Of Honour	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:18:00 - [88] To be honest I agree somewhat with the OP. I really dislike these stupid little mistakes (usually with the exception of missing apostrophes), particularly when the people making them seem not to know better. The standard of spoken and written English is getting pretty appalling (generally in countries that natively speak English ironically) and it's a bit sad that I know a great many foreigners who speak English a lot better than many English people I know. On a seperate note, American English does bug me a fair bit, not in it's existance itself though. Dialects are bound to be created with any widely used language. What bugs me is when I get Americans telling me I'm not writing correctly, when I'm in fact using 'proper' English (ie. English English). We invented the damned language, our version of it is therefore 'proper', yours is a dialect, it is "American English", not just "English" (yes, I'm aware I'm being an utterly arrogant b*****d, but meh, I take pride in my country and things associated with it, one of which is our language).
Snake Jankins Minmatar Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:28:00 - [89] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 15/06/2007 00:29:42 Originally by: Redbad Honour or honor? First is UK, 2nd is American English, at least that was what I was taught in school. But don't ask me, I'm German. I thought it's that way for all those words like colour vs. color. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'
Manus Stuprare DN Cloning Division	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:31:00 - [90] Edited by: Manus Stuprare on 15/06/2007 00:31:14 Originally by: Cowboy Nuggets It was NOT an attack, I want to help you, but it's beyond my ability. Try going here, they can help: http://www.ocfoundation.org/ LOL! I've been on and around the 'net waaaay too long to be either obsessive or compulsive about this stuff :) I rarely bother to post in threads like this, must've seen a hundred of them, and none made the slightest bit of difference. The only reason I posted in this one is that (the lack of) manners has been a bit of a recurring theme in my life this week, and suppose I felt the need to vent a bit. Thanks for your concern though! -------------- Poisoning the Chalice: Smartbombs as a Counter to Nos.

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