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Phoebus Athenian
Gallente
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.14 19:25:00 -
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/signed
I would most definately like to see people take the forums more seriously and post proper English. It is a certain cause of headaches, reading through tons of mangled posts.
As for people that don't have it as a mother tongue, well learn better English. It will be useful for your RL communication as well ;)
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Laxon
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Posted - 2007.06.14 19:31:00 -
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Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
Or rather...
According to a researcher (sic) at Cambridge University, it doesn't matter in what order the letters in a word are, the only important thing is that the first and last letter be at the right place. The rest can be a total mess and you can still read it without problem. This is because the human mind does not read every letter by itself but the word as a whole.
Its the internet, I dont expect everyone to spell and grammer check there flames, trolls, baits and occasionaly usefull posts. As long as its readable thats cool with me.
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Alpha Agent
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Posted - 2007.06.14 19:32:00 -
[33]
 Originally by: Adonis 4174
The correct phrase "I could care less" is an insult implying through sarcasm that you could not care less. It is an insult.
I will be charitable and assume you don't understand sarcasm. Have a nice day.
You have indirectly answered my original post.
Through your "interesting" thoughts on sarcasm, I now understand that there are some who will never grasp simple concepts of language or dialect.
The only thing I can hope is that my original post might have persuaded one or two people to think more carefully before they post utter drivel on these forums.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.14 19:37:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 14/06/2007 19:36:46
Originally by: Alpha Agent
The only thing I can hope is that my original post might have persuaded one or two people to think more carefully before they post utter drivel on these forums.
Or even go away until they know better and be reborn in an english speaking nation? 
Some people might not "crasp" the finetunings of the english language, probably because they don't use it daily.
I wouldn't be so quick to judge when you seem to have an inherit problem with people not worshipping english.
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Sha'Uri Dark
Freelancing Corp
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.06.14 19:38:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Alpha Agent
The only thing I can hope is that my original post might have persuaded one or two people to think more carefully before they post utter drivel on these forums.
You really think that an English/Grammar lesson will help stop people from posting utter drivel? Even a perfectly composed post can still be nothing but utter drivel.
Try again
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Alpha Agent
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Posted - 2007.06.14 19:38:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Some people might not "crasp" the finetunings of the english language, probably because they don't use it daily.
Please, do me the simple courtesy of reading my original post before you reply.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.14 19:42:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Alpha Agent
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Some people might not "crasp" the finetunings of the english language, probably because they don't use it daily.
Please, do me the simple courtesy of reading my original post before you reply.
Yes but how do you differentiate the people? You can't see where they are from now can you?
You can't say "Some people type badly" and then say "Ofcourse this is only aimed at english types." when you can't tell which person is or isn't one.
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Alpha Agent
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Posted - 2007.06.14 19:45:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
You can't say "Some people type badly" and then say "Ofcourse this is only aimed at english types." when you can't tell which person is or isn't one.
Actually, I can quite easily tell the difference between someone who speaks bad English and someone who speaks good English badly.
Non-English native speakers might not use complex vocabulary and grammar, but they form their sentences well and generally put a good effort into their posts.
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Montague Zooma
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.14 19:46:00 -
[39]
I could care less about the point you're making if you continue to complain about it.
The above sentence is grammatically correct. In other words, if you keep complaining, you risk making me care less about your cause.
A shorthand version would be, "I could care less....", where the rest of the sentence is implied.
Someone who couldn't care less doesn't care at all.
Someone who could care less is losing patience with you (and is probably being sarcastic or sardonic about it).
Automatically assume "I could care less" is simply sloppy grammar and you risk missing the point.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.14 19:48:00 -
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So basically your discomfort on this matter is aimed at the native english people who don't use their own language correctly in some situations? That seems a bit futile, i would say, as the percentage this thread is actually aimed at, is miniscule.
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Wyehr
Shadow Of The Light
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.14 19:49:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Stoner Sid
most of the mistakes are due to pure laziness or just quikness. tbh both are because people are at home and cudnt give a **** about grammer and just wanna laf 
I haven't exactly done studies on this or anything, but I don't know a single person who regularly reads professionally edited text that has problems with the your/you're or there/their/they're homophone groups. Problems spelling non-phonetic words seems to be another step or two out on the same axis.
P.S. I'm not normally into prescriptivism, but you need to understand that people do judge you by how you communicate.
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Alpha Agent
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Posted - 2007.06.14 19:52:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Alpha Agent on 14/06/2007 19:53:12
Originally by: Montague Zooma
I could care less about the point you're making if you continue to complain about it.
That would be a correct use of the phrase, however I have never seen it used as such (and it is still devoid of sarcasm)
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Wyehr
Shadow Of The Light
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.14 19:55:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Montague Zooma
I could care less about the point you're making if you continue to complain about it.
The above sentence is grammatically correct. In other words, if you keep complaining, you risk making me care less about your cause.
A shorthand version would be, "I could care less....", where the rest of the sentence is implied.
Someone who couldn't care less doesn't care at all.
Someone who could care less is losing patience with you (and is probably being sarcastic or sardonic about it).
Automatically assume "I could care less" is simply sloppy grammar and you risk missing the point.
Sorry. You can try to justify it all you want, but no one has ever since the dawn of time used the phrase "I could care less" in the way that you are suggesting.
(Look up hyperbole before you reply)
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Johraiken Fenris
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Posted - 2007.06.14 19:55:00 -
[44]
OP might want to add "there".
Johr
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Posted - 2007.06.14 19:58:00 -
[45]
Oh dear! Learn good English chaps!
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Angellyne
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Posted - 2007.06.14 20:01:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Alpha Agent
Originally by: Adonis 4174
The correct phrase "I could care less" is an insult implying through sarcasm that you could not care less. It is an insult.
I will be charitable and assume you don't understand sarcasm. Have a nice day.
You have indirectly answered my original post.
Through your "interesting" thoughts on sarcasm, I now understand that there are some who will never grasp simple concepts of language or dialect.
The only thing I can hope is that my original post might have persuaded one or two people to think more carefully before they post utter drivel on these forums.
"I could care less!"
"I should be so lucky!"
"Tell me about it!"
All valid. As their actual meanings are the opposite of their literal meanings, they are sarcastic. Do some research, find out the origins of these and other slang phrases, and your mind may open.
By the way, your arrogance is irritating. If you want to help people write and speak correctly, good for you. However, appointing yourself the champion of correctness, particularly when arguing over slang phrases, makes the very people you might help more likely to ignore whatever lessons you have to offer.
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Malcanis
High4Life
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.14 20:04:00 -
[47]
I'd like to add that the plural of 'bonus' is 'bonuses', NOT "boni".
Unless you've lost some kind of bet and are obliged to make yourself seem simultaneously ignorant and pretentious on the internet or something. In which case, it's perfect.
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DaveW
Caldari
South Park Development
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Posted - 2007.06.14 20:07:00 -
[48]
I take pride in being able to talk good.
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Lavinrac Krad
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Posted - 2007.06.14 20:09:00 -
[49]
You do know your, well I guess our (I hate claiming this as my native language, rather speak Spanish natively, hotter chicks) language, is basically the prostitute of languages and has so many other languages influencing its "proper grammar & spelling," that this language is nothing more than a bastardized mongrel?
Why should one care to speak a mongrel language properly? Seems pointless to me...
BTW- I am taking bets that the next language that fornicates with English will be Chinese.
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Keira Fordring
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.14 20:10:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Keira Fordring on 14/06/2007 20:09:43
Originally by: Alpha Agent
Edited by: Alpha Agent on 14/06/2007 18:08:56
Originally by: Keira Fordring
The only thing I disagree with is that a "character" can, in fact, be a "toon".
I understand from where your disagreement stems, however in the English language, "toon" is a colloquial shortening of "cartoon", the definition of which is universally accepted as an animation.
In American-adapted English, "toon" may refer to any number of animated characters in such an animation. Under no definition does "toon" apply to a non-animated character.
I can see why "toon" might be applicable in a game such as World of Warcraft, where your character could be defined as a "toon" under lax American English, however this terminology is not relevant to this game since your character is not animated (yet).
That is a good point except for the fact that "cartoon" does not implictly mean "animation". A cartoon can in fact be a simple sketch or drawing, neither of which have to be animated.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cartoon
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Coveney
Caldari
Cold Jaguar Mining
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Posted - 2007.06.14 20:12:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Alpha Agent
Edited by: Alpha Agent on 14/06/2007 18:08:56
Originally by: Keira Fordring
The only thing I disagree with is that a "character" can, in fact, be a "toon".
I understand from where your disagreement stems, however in the English language, "toon" is a colloquial shortening of "cartoon", the definition of which is universally accepted as an animation.
In American-adapted English, "toon" may refer to any number of animated characters in such an animation. Under no definition does "toon" apply to a non-animated character.
I can see why "toon" might be applicable in a game such as World of Warcraft, where your character could be defined as a "toon" under lax American English, however this terminology is not relevant to this game since your character is not animated (yet).
You do not need it to be animated to be call a toon, a toon is a drawing of any character or someone not considered real, like in real life. Cartoons are 3D, 2D and in books they are not animated only drawn.
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DaveW
Caldari
South Park Development
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Posted - 2007.06.14 20:13:00 -
[52]
"Why should one care to speak a mongrel language properly? Seems pointless to me..."
Well... I guess because it sets us apart from Mongrel people.
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MassonA
Caldari
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.14 20:13:00 -
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So I would be correct in thinking that when I type with correct grammar and punctuation, it helps you, as an Englishman, to read my typed word easier?
so whats different with how this is typed? im sure you can still read it just fine, im also sure people from other countries can also read it fine
but otherwise, i agree that people just dont care about spelling anymore - but i dont think that grammar matters that much 
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Damares
Flying While Intoxicated
The Threshold
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Posted - 2007.06.14 20:14:00 -
[54]
tbh i find it easier to read poorly written text than formal rubbish, reading what you write requires thinking and that is not what i play on the computer for 
as people have said, it just makes you look up tight, if it makes sense and
is readable then there is no problem imo. people don't need to right perfect english, as long as the point is convey'd then i can't see where your problem lies unless of course, you are up tight.
for people who's first language is english then writing gibberish is usualy understandable between one another,im sure i probably speak more gramaticaly correct in other languages than i do in english, atleast when typing.
a friend of mine's first language is chinese, he infact only scored mediocre on a chinese speaking test (to be fair he is a rather lazy speaker. but never the less to prove a point) as there is a major difference between actualy chatting a language and saying all the rubbish required to make it sound good.
another problem with talking on the internet is it is much easier to make typo's and im sure there are some in this (and ive tried to avoid them  ) as it it is far far easier to make a misstake typing english than it is when writing.
finaly, people dont come on the internet to spend all their time worrying about how good their english is, they come to have fun, spending 5 minutes checking everything you write isnt fun....
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Alpha Agent
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Posted - 2007.06.14 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: Alpha Agent on 14/06/2007 20:19:40
I guess I am uptight, because it angers me to see the English language get butchered and mistaken by the very people who are supposed to speak it.
I appreciate that this might seem arrogant to some.
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Nocturnal Avenger
The Ankou
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.06.14 20:23:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Alpha Agent
Your means "Your", referring to something you possess, such as "Your character is a dirty Minmatar"
WTF !!!!!????
You silly son of a amarr person...
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2007.06.14 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: Adonis 4174 on 14/06/2007 20:31:18
The problem, Alpha, is that you are wrong in a material respect and you refuse to acknowledge this. There are two grammatically correct ways to use "I could care less." alone to denote a lack of interest. The first is sarcasm, best defined by Angellyne above. The second is as an aposiopesis.
If you don't know what that long word means, it's what you do when you tell someone "Stop it or else." - that is not a complete sentence but it is grammatically correct. Likewise, "I could care less." can mean what Montague Zooma said above. Either way the message is clear. The message is "Shut up, I don't want to hear this".
Denying this because it weakens your standing makes you seem arrogant as well as ignorant. As was said above, English is a complex* language, so not knowing every detail of it is hardly a source of shame. Let that point slide, I'm with you on the rest.
*The term I usually use would be caught by the censorbot. It begins with a B and means mixed.
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2007.06.14 20:36:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Malcanis
I'd like to add that the plural of 'bonus' is 'bonuses', NOT "boni".
It is in my house, anyone using bonuses or buses or crocuses has to sleep in the cold damp coal celler.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Aeden
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.14 20:45:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 14/06/2007 20:44:45
@OP : new french web-sms-written slang is horrible to read aswell. It's a habit youth have, so now they stick to it so badly that I can see mails at work written like what you describe, in french.
I think internet made people lazy to even pull a pen. And they read crap all day : they take habits. That can't be solved with "ooh people should use proper grammar", people won't mind.
Just don't read their crap :)
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.14 20:56:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Andrue on 14/06/2007 20:56:49
Edited by: Andrue on 14/06/2007 20:55:51
Originally by: Laxon
Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
Yesearthandbeyondprovedspacesareveryimportant.
The V'rix used a crappy vowel substitution code which on it's own is no big deal:
Th3s 3sn't t44 h1rd to r21d r21lly.
But apparently they were so advanced that they didn't need spaces either:
B5tth3s3s1l4tm4r2d3ff3c5lt.
Speed readers can take in a sentence in one glance by spotting keywords. The very fast speed readers can take in entire paragraphs.
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