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Kassasis Dakkstromri
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Posted - 2007.06.16 16:44:00 -
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Since Bomb Launchers have been added -- why do pilots have to choose a Cruise Launcher vs. Bomb Launcher...
Can't the turret high slot be made an either or -- but only for *that* specific type Launcher?
I really do not like to have to give up my third Cruise Launcher (Manticore)
Yes the Bombs are awsome - but it should be an addition of a Slot Type (on the Turret Slot) and NOT a replacement of onese pre-existing Launchers considering we only have Alpha strikes...
Otherwise give us Warping ability while cloaked...
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Adrian Kerensky
Caldari
STK Scientific
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.06.16 16:52:00 -
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6400 dmg of a type you want isn't enough alpha?
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Dragy
Caldari
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2007.06.16 16:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Adrian Kerensky
6400 dmg of a type you want isn't enough alpha?
if they didn't have sig radius ? it'd be enough
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Kassasis Dakkstromri
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Posted - 2007.06.16 17:41:00 -
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And when your waiting 160sec for your single round launcher to reload????
You know its very easy for non SB pilots to say things like that --- its very different when your on the inside of things...
Manticore should have 3x Launcher Slots 1x General Slot and 1x Turret/Bomb Launcher Slot --- (Other SB's setup with equivalent)
That is fair and a true Addition -- not a replacement of one of our Cruise Missile Launchers -- matter of fact other race SB's have it worse as only the Manticore has Three Launcher Slots...
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Ortu Konsinni
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.16 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kassasis Dakkstromri
That is fair and a true Addition -- not a replacement of one of our Cruise Missile Launchers -- matter of fact other race SB's have it worse as only the Manticore has Three Launcher Slots...
Not anymore they don't, all bombers have 3 launcher hardpoints now.
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Mudkest
MetaForge
Ekliptika
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Posted - 2007.06.16 18:44:00 -
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bomb launcher is a missile launcher? why not make it utility like probe launchers :/
and do sb still ahve turret slots on test?
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.06.16 18:57:00 -
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Wait, why are you whining now that you have new OPTIONS?
Nobody is making you fit a bomb launcher. Bombs are costing 20mil according to CCP, so it's not like a requirement to fit one on your bomber. You wont be spewing them out all over the place.
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Kassasis Dakkstromri
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Posted - 2007.06.16 19:10:00 -
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Definately going to be used in our Alliance -
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Complaint #2 -- Uncloaking, firing, and re-Cloaking also cloaks your missiles causing them NOT to hit their targets...
Will this also be the case with Bombs?
(ie UnCloak, Drop a Bomb, Recloak and not hit anything?)
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*(Also I would really like to hear from the posters as to why SB's shouldn't have 3 Launcher Slots AND a Bomb Launcher Slot? -- Please make serious posts)
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Christopher Dalran
Gallente
Deadly Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.16 19:11:00 -
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Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 16/06/2007 19:11:04
3 launchers or 2 launcher + a bomb, seems like its your choice.
You also are not meant to deploy bombs all on your own, your sopposed to work with other bombers and drop the same damage type of bomb in the same location to up your alpha considerably.
If i dont want to use a bomb (they do cost 20mill which is pricey to use unless its for the good of your corp) I would probably fit a passive targeter and use the new no-recal time after uncloaking (can lock immediately now)to do some damage and not get targeted.
Missiles need changed so that they will damage a target after you cloak. Also i beleive you are intended to use a cloak to gain a speed bonus to get away from your own bomb so i think they still deal damage after cloaking (they are considered to be probes which do not disappear when scanning in a cov ops)
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Gaius Sejanus
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.16 19:25:00 -
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Bombs are fleet weapons. They are useless solo. And really expensive per shot. And shoot really slowly.
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Foulis
Minmatar
Chosen Path
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.16 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Christopher Dalran
Missiles need changed so that they will damage a target after you cloak. Also i beleive you are intended to use a cloak to gain a speed bonus to get away from your own bomb so i think they still deal damage after cloaking (they are considered to be probes which do not disappear when scanning in a cov ops)
Never flown an SB before? Missiles do damage after you cloak.
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Halock
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Posted - 2007.06.16 21:16:00 -
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Quote:
use the new no-recal time after uncloaking (can lock immediately now)to do some damage and not get targeted.
thats not new, thats the way they work now, the bonus is just hidden.
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Kellyl
Free Traders
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Posted - 2007.06.16 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Foulis
Never flown an SB before? Missiles do damage after you cloak.
Never flown an SB before? Missiles do damage after you cloak for only about 4 seconds.
Originally by: HippoKing
pretty much all caldari ships ming something terrible
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bldyannoyed
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.16 21:53:00 -
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You have a choice.
Bomb stuff or shoot stuff.
For all the others its great, we're used to having a pathetic 2 Cruise Launchers to play with.
But really, its still gonna be the same pinch for all ships.
I fly a Nemesis ( occasionally ).
I really want to fly it with 3 launchers, but i have to decide if i want to fly it with a bomb now.
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Selene Le'Cotiere
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Posted - 2007.06.16 21:55:00 -
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My only concern is, what about the Manticore? It's third missile slot is what set it above the rest. 
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Litus Arowar
Amarr
Obsidian Asylum
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.06.16 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Selene Le'Cotiere
My only concern is, what about the Manticore? It's third missile slot is what set it above the rest.
it's relegated to being average... that's fine by me
as for the missile slot for bombs, it'a annoying, but I'll rarely be fitting a bomb module anyway, due to their highly specialized usefulness, so it won't affect me much
oh and by the way, the 8000 max damage from a bomb is nice, but with one BCU2 one volley of missiles with decent skills (level 4-5) will do 2000 damage, and that at a 40m sig radius... don't forget that and you'll like your bomber a lot more...
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Tseran
The Silent Rage
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.16 23:26:00 -
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The problem is manticore is not bumped down to average. It is bumped down to worse in almost every category. Bad fittings (horrid PG), heaviest, slowest, smallest cargo....the extra launcher was its ONLY positive and now it has none. It will be both the most costly (go cal!) and least useful of the SBs.
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Litus Arowar
Amarr
Obsidian Asylum
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.06.17 01:00:00 -
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Edited by: Litus Arowar on 17/06/2007 00:59:37
Originally by: Tseran
The problem is manticore is not bumped down to average. It is bumped down to worse in almost every category. Bad fittings (horrid PG), heaviest, slowest, smallest cargo....the extra launcher was its ONLY positive and now it has none. It will be both the most costly (go cal!) and least useful of the SBs.
it has the best CPU and 5 mids, maybe it could put those to use doing what the others aren't that good at, such as EW maybe... it has 260 CPU now before skills, 325 with electronics 5... the real problem is the nemesis which is too close in stats with less drawbacks, but it's gallente, what else is new :) [EDIT] the nemesis has 300 CPU with electronics 5 btw, so the manti still has a slight edge...
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Kassasis Dakkstromri
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Posted - 2007.06.19 02:34:00 -
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Well at least fix the Missiles dissappearing after 4sec after cloaking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Zarcan
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Posted - 2007.06.19 04:16:00 -
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Kissassis...
Stop Whining.
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.19 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kassasis Dakkstromri
Since Bomb Launchers have been added -- why do pilots have to choose a Cruise Launcher vs. Bomb Launcher...
Can't the turret high slot be made an either or -- but only for *that* specific type Launcher?
I really do not like to have to give up my third Cruise Launcher (Manticore)
Yes the Bombs are awsome - but it should be an addition of a Slot Type (on the Turret Slot) and NOT a replacement of onese pre-existing Launchers considering we only have Alpha strikes...
Otherwise give us Warping ability while cloaked...
How can you tell when a Caldari is whining? When his mouth is open.
Because I said so...
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Warrio
The Conflagration
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Posted - 2007.06.19 05:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tseran
The problem is manticore is not bumped down to average. It is bumped down to worse in almost every category. Bad fittings (horrid PG), heaviest, slowest, smallest cargo....the extra launcher was its ONLY positive and now it has none. It will be both the most costly (go cal!) and least useful of the SBs.
What goes around comes around.
The Gankageddon was once the greatest too.
Things change and thats what makes Eve such a fantastic game.
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David Yanakov
Avis de Captura
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.19 07:19:00 -
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The manticore won't be the most expensive for long. If you're that worried about it, sell yours off during the rush to buy bombers and repurchase it after the prices settle out. You might stand to make a few million
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kill0rbunny
Alpha-Hirogen
Phoenix Allianz
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Posted - 2007.06.19 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
How can you tell when a Caldari is whining? When his mouth is open.
Nice statement for someone who is constantly whining that his factionfitted navy raven cannot break every single tank in the game. 
Bombers sucked before rev II, they do not have much use after the patch.
Won't buy one still.
I pew therefore I am.
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Shirow Miyazaki
Amarr
I.Z.U Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.19 09:31:00 -
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Tbh i shall still use cruise launchers as bombs are a 0.0 only weapon, and me and my corp are still learning the ropes of bombers. But now all of them are getting 3 launchers, we can take all the races bombers and still put out enough damage to not be all "should have brought another manticore".
Seeing as i'm going for amarr frig 5 for amarr AF/Inty i shall be getting a purifier too eventually, but i do like the manticore's 4 mids, seems the right amount to me.
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Minerva Moore
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Posted - 2007.06.19 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
How can you tell when a Caldari is whining? When his mouth is open.
Yeah unlike all the Gallente cries of "boohooo the drake is overpowered i cant kill one in 30 seconds" (which lead to ccp nerfing it of course).
How can you tell when a Gallente is whining? Another race got a useful ship.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:34:00 -
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*pets his hound*
now I have a use for it
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Christopher Dalran
Gallente
Deadly Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.19 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kellyl
Originally by: Foulis
Never flown an SB before? Missiles do damage after you cloak.
Never flown an SB before? Missiles do damage after you cloak for only about 4 seconds.
Kellyl is right, but you dont realy want to be right on top of someone when you fire as you want to do it well outside of web/scram range and you definitly dont want to motor around uncloaked waiting for your missiles to get close enough for you to cloak.
It takes a second or 2 for the missiles to realize you cloaked but thats not much help.
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Litus Arowar
Amarr
Obsidian Asylum
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:23:00 -
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it doesn't really matter how far away from your target you are (as long as you're not right on top of it)
the idea is that you don't let the target lock you (with dampeners and cloak/decloak), or you fit enough of a passive tank to absorb your target's damage untill it dies (IE a plate/extender)
also, you can fit tracking disruptors, etc
these things aren't so fragile now that you have more PG to play with (unless of course you've got a bomb launcher fitted)
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Sergis
Caldari
Life Extermination
Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:28:00 -
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As far as im concerned SB skills is only there to get Recons.
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