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Viziam
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Posted - 2012.01.08 09:16:00 -
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Smabs wrote:So you're talking about a specific ship with 2 eccm and an implant set just to avoid getting jammed?
How many sub-bs ships can really get away with eccm?
Frigates, dessies, dictors, most cruisers - forget it.
Shield canes - You would be cutting your tank down to ~40k just to get the falcon down to a 40% jam chance on each cycle. It might be doable with an armor tank.
Drakes - Yeah, you could do it, but you would be sacrificing a web or a significant amount of tank. Still, it's kind of viable. Solo you would still get permajammed.
Myrmidon can get there with an implant set and an armor tank. I think Prometheus was flying something like that but he was still getting jammed half of the time, even sometimes by ecm drones.
I still think the best way to deal with falcons is high damage and good range, ecm of your own or a sniper ship to clear it off the field.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=11883992
ecm is fine.
stop crying... |
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Viziam
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Posted - 2012.01.08 09:49:00 -
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Smabs wrote:Was that an armor cane with multiple eccm? Do you think that fit is practical with the way eve usually works?
Also the 2 blackbirds were fit with t1 multispecs.
ECM is fine when numbers go to 5+. I don't think I ever said otherwise. I even suggested how people might counter it with a very small gang (i.e. eccm probably isn't optimal).
dual eccm and overheated guns on the blackbirds.
t1 multis yeah but still 8 of them on me.
is that fit practical? hell yes it is!!! i got 7 kill mail with it do you really need more?
anyway i rally dont get your point so its fine whn you hav a gang of 5 vs a gang of 5 but not fine when there is 5 people shooting you?
btw 3 guys run away from my cane so it was 8v1... and yes thy were all newbis...
eccm works. on any ship class in eve.
point is if you know what you are going up against there are ways to counter it.
if you run in a gang of 2 bc and both have overheated eccm on your ship one of you should be able to take that jamming ship out.
if you run solo in a bc any recon on field can pretty much ruin you game. |
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Viziam
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Posted - 2012.01.08 10:08:00 -
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Smabs wrote:Once you get to 4 or 5 people it means that you usually have enough dps to clear falcons off the field, have ecm of your own or are able to apply a good proportion of your dps from the unjammed ships. Less than that and a single falcon can permajam (or close to it).
It's cool that you got a good fight like that but an armor cane with double eccm is an extremely situational ship.
Other recons aren't so bad solo. Rapiers and huginns die really easily. Arazu could possibly be bad but if you start close-by it's not so big a deal. Curses are fairly bad for cap hungry ships but are otherwise kill-able. ECM is the only one that completely shuts down multiple ships. There's a reason you don't see sabres with an arazu alt.
2 bc with over heated eccm = 36 sensor on each. there is no way he will permajam you both.
1 flight of med ecm drones will make him lose lock 2 flights of warriors will force him off the field pretty fast.
also if you start close by a falcon he will die pretty fast.
drop a shield brutix 0 on a falcon and he is in hull before he gets a jam on you and the drones take care of the rest.... |
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Viziam
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Posted - 2012.01.08 10:27:00 -
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Smabs wrote:Light drones won't force a falcon off the field. The dps is too low.
You could definitely do 2 battlecruisers with eccm but, like I was saying, you're sacrificing a lot of mobility or tank in order to maybe avoid being permajammed if you come across an ecm ship that's a part of a gang that you can fight. It's still quite likely that one or both the battlecruisers will be jammed for the majority of the fight.
cane 4 meds web+mwd+point+?
harbi 4 meds web+mwd+point+? (cap booster? maybe small nos and eccm if you ask me)
myrm 5 meds web+mwd+point+?+?
my ham drake has no web on it cause i rather have more tank.
you make choices in this game...
also 10 warriors is like 200dps? drop that on a falcon and he is off the field in something like 90sec.
you can **** around in your nano canes till he is off the field and then go for the kill.
or us ecm drones. 10 lights and the falcon is permajamed....
oh forgot one more thing drake doesnt really need eccm cause you have FOF.
so enough with all the falcon tears please.
they work just fine have low ehp, align very slow when plated (only way to fit a falcon) have very low cap do close to 0 dps. |
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