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Smabs
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Posted - 2012.01.08 07:31:00 -
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These days a falcon can get instapopped by a tornado or killed in a few volleys by a tier 3 sniper so I don't know if they're nearly as powerful anymore. Plus the sabre bubble nerf was a stealth falcon nerf as well.
It's a terrible mechanic and discourages soloing but it's not really as strong in small gangs anymore.
ECCM is basically useless outside of battleships. Most people should know that. |
Smabs
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Posted - 2012.01.08 07:40:00 -
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Yeah it's fair game but it doesn't encourage making Eve fun at all.
You kind of end up with Pandemic Legion syndrome if you cyno on to people a lot - after a while they simply stop fighting or move to another region altogether. Same goes for people with falcon alts. So it's fair in a technical sense but discourages pvp over time, which probably isn't what CCP wants. |
Smabs
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Posted - 2012.01.08 08:03:00 -
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Yeah you ought to be able to deal with 1 falcon with a 5 man gang. I don't think people have started taking advantage of the new battlecruisers enough with regards to that. Once we see more of those I think that there will be a lot more falcon killmails. I'd still like to see the mechanic changed, though. |
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Posted - 2012.01.08 08:37:00 -
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On a solo/very small gang level it is, when a falcon can land multiple jammers on you. |
Smabs
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Posted - 2012.01.08 08:59:00 -
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So you're talking about a specific ship with 2 eccm and an implant set just to avoid getting jammed?
How many sub-bs ships can really get away with eccm?
Frigates, dessies, dictors, most cruisers - forget it.
Shield canes - You would be cutting your tank down to ~40k just to get the falcon down to a 40% jam chance on each cycle. It might be doable with an armor tank.
Drakes - Yeah, you could do it, but you would be sacrificing a web or a significant amount of tank. Still, it's kind of viable. Solo you would still get permajammed.
Myrmidon can get there with an implant set and an armor tank. I think Prometheus was flying something like that but he was still getting jammed half of the time, even sometimes by ecm drones.
I still think the best way to deal with falcons is high damage and good range, ecm of your own or a sniper ship to clear it off the field. |
Smabs
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Posted - 2012.01.08 09:18:00 -
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Was that an armor cane with multiple eccm? Do you think that fit is practical with the way eve usually works?
Also the 2 blackbirds were fit with t1 multispecs.
ECM is fine when numbers go to 5+. I don't think I ever said otherwise. I even suggested how people might counter it with a very small gang (i.e. eccm probably isn't optimal). |
Smabs
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Posted - 2012.01.08 10:02:00 -
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Once you get to 4 or 5 people it means that you usually have enough dps to clear falcons off the field, have ecm of your own or are able to apply a good proportion of your dps from the unjammed ships. Less than that and a single falcon can permajam (or close to it).
It's cool that you got a good fight like that but an armor cane with double eccm is an extremely situational ship.
Other recons aren't so bad solo. Rapiers and huginns die really easily. Arazu could possibly be bad but if you start close-by it's not so big a deal. Curses are fairly bad for cap hungry ships but are otherwise kill-able. ECM is the only one that completely shuts down multiple ships. There's a reason you don't see sabres with an arazu alt.
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Smabs
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Posted - 2012.01.08 10:14:00 -
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Light drones won't force a falcon off the field. The dps is too low.
You could definitely do 2 battlecruisers with eccm but, like I was saying, you're sacrificing a lot of mobility or tank in order to maybe avoid being permajammed if you come across an ecm ship that's a part of a gang that you can fight. It's still quite likely that one or both the battlecruisers will be jammed for the majority of the fight.
Also falcons usually decloak at range so, unless the falcon pilot is really awful, that scenario will rarely happen. |
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Posted - 2012.01.08 14:05:00 -
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Okay, whatever you like to think. |
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Posted - 2012.01.10 09:35:00 -
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Eagle is the most obvious one that really, really needs a boost. |
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