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Cristalline
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Posted - 2007.06.17 12:38:00 -
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After spending 2 hours learning to play EVE Online, i was harrassed, insulted and generally annoyed by no less that 10-15 players with no recourse available to new players other than the ignore function. After requesting help on a number of things from lag issues, bugs and other game mechanics from the general community, i was met with open hostility from the 'you should know' crowd.
I liken this to the 'Life begins at level 70' crowd from World of Warcraft. At least this is tolerable as you rarely ever see or hear them unless you visit a major city.
Of course, this game has a lot of promise, but far too complicated for the casual gamer. I have nothing but respect for the game and its designers. Rather, i have little to no respect for the community with which resides on the servers day and night.
From this reaction after only 2 hours spent, i have therefore cancelled my subscription.
If something had been done to quell the player harrassment issues before getting out of hand, i would undoubtedly have had a much better experience. So to sum up, the community ruined any possiblity of enjoyment from this game.
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Lt Angus
Caldari
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.17 12:39:00 -
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We were all new once
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Marquis Dean
Demise and Vestige
9th Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.17 12:42:00 -
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Maybe you should get out of Jita.
Sorry to hear that you got so much flak from all the 13 year old station jockeys that live in Jita 23/7, but if you got away from the hub systems, and joined a corp willing to accept new guys, your game experience would improve dramatically.
Of course, none of this matters cause you've canned your sub and so you probably can't read this.
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 Originally by: Wild Rho
I'm having a hard time getting over the irony of spelling "dumb" wrong.
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FingerThief
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.17 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Cristalline
After spending 2 hours learning to play EVE Online, i was harrassed, insulted and generally annoyed by no less that 10-15 players with no recourse available to new players other than the ignore function. After requesting help on a number of things from lag issues, bugs and other game mechanics from the general community, i was met with open hostility from the 'you should know' crowd.
Sorry to burst your bubble ... what would YOU know about lag issues and bugs and how would you even be able to comprehend anything beyond the tutorial after only 2 hours in ?
Furthermore ... you did pay for a game without going thru a 14/7/10 or whatever count day trial ?
And FYI ... you met 10-15 players out of roughly 200K ... Don't judge a book by it's cover ( or the game by your first encounters )
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Van'Klomp
Minmatar
KarWal Corporation
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.17 12:43:00 -
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I believe this is being addressed in an upcoming patch, and new players will have it much easier when taking the first steps into the game.
I agree though, currently new players have it tough due to a minority.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.06.17 12:45:00 -
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There is elitism in Eve, but dont let that bother you... some people need it. 
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
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MotherMoon
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Posted - 2007.06.17 12:47:00 -
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join many of the super helpful corps :)
please tell me you didn't ask how to mine?
I really wish you could read this... I'd tell you to try again in 4 days after rev 2
the tutorial is being upgraded
and you pick a veriokor bloodline character you can join huang yinglong!
just message me me in game with the matar character asian bloodline and your in :)
we have lots of free modules for you to play with
and I don't mind buying you as many free ships as it takes you to get past new stats :)
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Marquis Dean
Demise and Vestige
9th Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.17 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Van'Klomp
I believe this is being addressed in an upcoming patch, and new players will have it much easier when taking the first steps into the game.
I agree though, currently new players have it tough due to a minority.
950K SP from the word go is not 'tough'. I had it alot tougher.
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Originally by: Wild Rho
I'm having a hard time getting over the irony of spelling "dumb" wrong.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2007.06.17 12:47:00 -
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By prohibitive you mean it has some rude people. This is true everywhere sadly.
Try asking your questions here. We're nicer.
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.06.17 12:50:00 -
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I'm sorry to hear you had this experience, but a lot of EVE players are very friendly to newcomers. I can also recommend EVE University, which is a player run corporation that helps out new players during their first time in EVE.
Wrangler
Assistant Community Manager
EVE Online
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The Pointless
Gallente
Plastic Toys
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Posted - 2007.06.17 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cristalline
After spending 2 hours learning to play EVE Online, i was harrassed, insulted and generally annoyed by no less that 10-15 players with no recourse available to new players other than the ignore function. After requesting help on a number of things from lag issues, bugs and other game mechanics from the general community, i was met with open hostility from the 'you should know' crowd.
That's news to me, never had that when I started 6 months ago. 
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Ren Surkova
The Phoenix Mercenaries
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Posted - 2007.06.17 12:51:00 -
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I hope you're happy eve community, I'm really going to miss Cristalline 
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Auldare
Path-finder
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Posted - 2007.06.17 12:53:00 -
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Generally the ones that pick on the newbies are the ones that are failing at the game. They get beaten at every turn and feel they must find a way to make themselves feel superior to at least one person.
Been playing the game for years on and off, now taking it easy in the game so if any new guys wants a hand with something just look me up.
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Vasiliyan
The Flying Swan
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Posted - 2007.06.17 13:04:00 -
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This is really surprising, where was this? I've always found the community excellent.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2007.06.17 13:07:00 -
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Remind me, would it be against the forum rules for Cristalline to name the people who were mean to her?
Not that I suggest any vigilante response or anything.
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MotherMoon
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Posted - 2007.06.17 13:11:00 -
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better question
come back cristalline!
where are you now?
read this post!
you get a dev reply!
argh this pains my soul
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2007.06.17 13:15:00 -
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I tried to read a book....once.
After 2 pages I decided it sucked so I stopped.
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Kjetilen
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Posted - 2007.06.17 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: Kjetilen on 17/06/2007 13:22:21
When i first startet playing eve (3 years ago) the Comuinuty was the reson i stayed in the game. I always got help when i needed it and when i asked for it.
Now eve has got a "i dont care about your problems" attitude.
Not god at all, a game with a god player base is a GOD game!
Ccp can you please make a hot fix on all the players?
Idea: CCP make a some "ethical rules"
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Agnar Koladrov
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.17 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: Agnar Koladrov on 17/06/2007 13:49:44
Originally by: Kjetilen
Edited by: Kjetilen on 17/06/2007 13:22:21
When i first startet playing eve (3 years ago) the Comuinuty was the reson i stayed in the game. I always got help when i needed it and when i asked for it.
Now eve has got a "i dont care about your problems" attitude.
Not god at all, a game with a god player base is a GOD game!
Ccp can you please make a hot fix on all the players?
Idea: CCP make a some "ethical rules"
He is right you know.
Back in the days people cared more then they do now about new players. Now new players are much more greeted* with ignorance and sometimes down right a-social behaviour if they are not in the right area/channel/etc.
But, nothing can be done about this, clock can`t be turned back 2 2 to 3 years. Pity really.
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Sarah McTeef
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Posted - 2007.06.17 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kjetilen
Idea: CCP make a some "ethical rules"
Idea: CCP make a some "documentation" so handholding isn't required.
Fixed it for you. On the ethical rules thing you simply fail however. I came to this game because of the playerbase, the playerbase that didn't coddle you. The learning curve is a brick wall, I'll admit that however the response of "RTFM" should be valid people are often enough simply not interesting in helping themselves and expect everything to come easy.
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Malcanis
High4Life
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.17 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Cristalline
After spending 2 hours learning to play EVE Online, i was harrassed, insulted and generally annoyed by no less that 10-15 players with no recourse available to new players other than the ignore function. After requesting help on a number of things from lag issues, bugs and other game mechanics from the general community, i was met with open hostility from the 'you should know' crowd.
I liken this to the 'Life begins at level 70' crowd from World of Warcraft. At least this is tolerable as you rarely ever see or hear them unless you visit a major city.
Of course, this game has a lot of promise, but far too complicated for the casual gamer. I have nothing but respect for the game and its designers. Rather, i have little to no respect for the community with which resides on the servers day and night.
From this reaction after only 2 hours spent, i have therefore cancelled my subscription.
If something had been done to quell the player harrassment issues before getting out of hand, i would undoubtedly have had a much better experience. So to sum up, the community ruined any possiblity of enjoyment from this game.
My experience in EvE is that you get what you give, as far as respect is concerned.
I can testify, with evidence, that EvE can be very friendly to new players. Can be.
But to be frank, you sound pretty snotty. I'll bet you gave attitude in the help channels and got repaid ten times over.
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MotherMoon
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Posted - 2007.06.17 13:58:00 -
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I don't consider helping new players and giving them a rifter cuddling
hell every ship I lose in PvP cost 5 mil
to 30 mil
to 100 mil
shelling out 200k to a new player to help them figure what what it feels like to lose "everything" or how hard or easy a mission can be is not a big deal to corperations like EvE univeristy or goon swarm
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Noeken Logican
Gallente
Mirage Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.17 14:07:00 -
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Did you do the tutorial? Because really, back when I was in the FNA, that was the main problem with lots of the new players, since they asked stupid questions like "how do I fly the ship" without doing the tutorial. If that isn't what happened, then I'm really pretty sorry at the state of affairs in this game.
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Icarus Starkiller
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.17 14:07:00 -
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Back when I joined the game I had a patron... a vetran player who brought me to the game, showed me a few basic things, and pretty much let me follow my own course.
I didn't have much problem with haters in the nuub channels because I simply closed the tabs after the first ten minutes of mindless spam with the few worthwhile Q&A washed out by 'send me ISK for my frig/cruiser/BS, please please' that annoyed me to no end.
One thing that helps new players humongously is to have a patron. I've brought several co-workers into the game and kept them because I showed them the ropes, whereas other co-workers who tried a long time back (and I didn't know they were curious) got mystified/broke/pwnt and left after a month or considerably less.
There are several good resources for new players which most new players never really hear much about... such as the aformentioned eve-university, and the Agony Unleashed PvP school(s), among others.
By the by, patronage of some sort is the greatest help. There really should be a way for established characters to patron nuubs, even total strangers, without being helpstaff/ISD or hanging out on megaspam nuub channels.
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Cygnus Zhada
Amarr
RennTech
Hell Hounds
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Posted - 2007.06.17 14:29:00 -
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All I met was helpfull people, a helpfull corp who's main idea is to help newbies. Sure I met some people who tried to lure me into making mistakes but that's part of the attraction.
Iall you met was people who behave like idiots I can't help but then you either were at the wrong place (jita?) or you kinda deserved it. for instance; what does a 2 hour old player know of bugs? Also; the game caters for people to be pro active about things and work it out. If you haven't done the tutorial don't go asking around for help.
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Silpher
Symphony of Destruction Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.06.17 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Silpher on 17/06/2007 14:32:11
Edited by: Silpher on 17/06/2007 14:31:45
Edited by: Silpher on 17/06/2007 14:31:25
Even after playing for almost a year, I still feel this pilots pain. It is quite often that I go to a help channel (player run specifics or the massive general help channel) and get the 'I KNOW EVERYTHING! STFU!' guy. It's pretty sad when the math major flames/talks down to another pilot because he doesn't understand advanced quantum physics (example/exageration). The eve community as a whole isn't bad, it's those few d***heads, c***bags and f***tards that can really ruin the gaming experience, especially when said douchebags hang out in help specific channels.
I motion for heavier moderation and a zero tolerance for ***holes policy. I volunteer, cause kickin those jerks in the face would be a pleasure. 
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Barbarellas Daughter
Lonely Barbarella
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Posted - 2007.06.17 14:38:00 -
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I didnt even talk to anybody after 4 hours, cos i was busy running the tutorial.
Maybe they flamed you because you didnt finish the tut first? ;)
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Originally by: Marduk Felzhen
You have an amazing cleavage, except you have no arms :(
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.06.17 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: Laboratus on 17/06/2007 14:56:53
I'm sorry the community got you down.
I'm pretty sure that when I did the tutorial, it lasted hours (4-6 or something).
After that, it's propably good to join a corporation that teaches different playstyles, such as eve university or that agony thing.
Anyways. Eve has one of the steepest learning curves in all of mmos and I suppose that is harsh. But I kinda like it.
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Post with your main.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.17 15:20:00 -
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if you were minmatar no one would have dared sass you
we have the shades
Real turtles tank armor.
Real men fly Pink.
Nerfageddon!
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Thesas
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.06.17 15:21:00 -
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My initial reaction to ôrookie chatö was to look for the means to disable it. The tutorial is extensive and the website fills in what the tutorial lacks. I worked the tutorial for two nights from end to end and my remaining questions were covered at the website.
Rookie chat is not very helpful and the maturity level is low. Screaming children come to mind. It is not a good first impression though it does instill the desire to pod someone from the outset.
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