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Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.17 15:23:00 - [31] that explains why they force it on us in the beginning, breeding new pirates Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon!
Kvarium Ki legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.17 16:39:00 - [32] I was pretty disgusted to see some FATAL guys camping a school station with a "free loot" can the other day. I think GMs should patrol the starting stations for this sort of thing. KK
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2007.06.17 16:40:00 - [33] Edited by: Wendat Huron on 17/06/2007 16:42:27 Join a corporation. Originally by: Kvarium Ki I was pretty disgusted to see some FATAL guys camping a school station with a "free loot" can the other day. I think GMs should patrol the starting stations for this sort of thing. KK Yes and spawn an unfavorable event on their lame asses.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.06.17 16:58:00 - [34] When I were a lad, we didn't have anything so fancy as a frigate. We made do with a cardboard box with BB guns attached to the sides. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally by: F'nog Reaper wins the thread.
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.06.17 17:11:00 - [35] Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 17/06/2007 17:12:50 Quote: EVE Online is prohibitive to new players. That's the pull of the game, silly. EDIT: If she/he/it quit after just a bit of rough housing, then she/he/it prolly wouldnt have made it in this doggy dog game. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.17 17:21:00 - [36] Originally by: Silpher Edited by: Silpher on 17/06/2007 14:32:11 Edited by: Silpher on 17/06/2007 14:31:45 Edited by: Silpher on 17/06/2007 14:31:25 Even after playing for almost a year, I still feel this pilots pain. It is quite often that I go to a help channel (player run specifics or the massive general help channel) and get the 'I KNOW EVERYTHING! STFU!' guy. It's pretty sad when the math major flames/talks down to another pilot because he doesn't understand advanced quantum physics (example/exageration). The eve community as a whole isn't bad, it's those few d*heads, cbags and ftards that can really ruin the gaming experience, especially when said douchebags hang out in help specific channels. I motion for heavier moderation and a zero tolerance for holes policy. I volunteer, cause kickin those jerks in the face would be a pleasure. Agreed. EvE is supposed to be dark and gritty, that doesn't need to include ******s. You can blow people up, steal their stuff and gank them without being a jerk. <-----------> Factional Warfare: The LowSec wars which never happened.

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.06.17 17:23:00 - [37] Originally by: Kvarium Ki I was pretty disgusted to see some FATAL guys camping a school station with a "free loot" can the other day. I think GMs should patrol the starting stations for this sort of thing. KK Submit a harrassment petition if that happens, greifing new players isn't something we tolerate. Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Perk Blue	Posted - 2007.06.17 17:27:00 - [38] So...you spent 2 hours playing the game and in that time you decided that you have met and judged the entire community in EVE Online to be unfit. K. I came to this game from WoW, and I am very pleased with the difference between average maturity levels. Rookie help has helped me quite a bit, and the channel is also moderated most of the time... although, I'm not sure that you knew that since you did only play for 2 hours. Moderation of said channel is what quells harassment issues; contrary to your statements, I have found this game community to be very 'noob' friendly... even though the learning curve for the game itself is a bit steep. (which makes the game more interesting anyway, imo) I am also new (my character just hit 2 weeks old), I have had some bad experiences with players in game, and have also been harassed by players in game just like you. But. I have had many good experiences in game; from learning to fly my ship to meeting extremely friendly people. I have been in a player corporation for about a week and they have helped much in answering any 'noob' questions I might have. Our experiences seem to be worlds apart. That being said, did you do the tutorial? You say you spent 2 hours playing, so in that time you finished the entire tutorial and have somehow had much time to mingle with '10-15' people through way of harassment? Most people I have seen don't even start talking in channels until they finish learning the basics. If you asked in a chat channel 'game mechanic' questions like 'how do i move???' then personally, I feel as if scathing responses from the 'you should know' crowd are justified.
Dexter Rast	Posted - 2007.06.17 17:27:00 - [39] as with anything in life, if it was easy then it wouldnt be any fun, playing a game as advanced and deep as what eve is isnt something you can weigh up in a couple of hours, sorry if you did meet some less tolerant players while you were here, but take a look at the map, eve is a big ass place and there is plenty of room to move around, i have met plenty of jerks while playing, but the `good guys` by far outweigh the `bad guys` in this game, maybe you just needed to look a little bit harder before throwing the toys out of the pram! -------------------------------------------
Impinge Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.06.17 17:29:00 - [40] I am also new to EvE, having a character that is only a couple of weeks old. When I first started I found the rookie chat channel a bit annoying as there was a lot of immature talk, so I closed that window and started posting in corp channel. The response was much improved. Personally, my experience in the game is very limited but I think getting into a corp where there are people willing to help you out would be the thing to do. Try not to judge the game so quickly, find your own way.
Amanda Wilkins Caldari Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish	Posted - 2007.06.17 17:47:00 - [41] Well, I am sad to hear this. I am also amazed to hear it. I know that my own corp is very open to noobs. Our current motto is "A noob a day keeps the boredom away" because the "silly" questions asked by those new to the game are really quite amusing and can rekindle the desire to actually play Eve and not just use it as an overprized chat program with fancy pictures. I remember my own first days in Eve quite differently. From the first day I was helped, laughed at when asking silly questions, but always helped along. And the biggest laugh was the time I asked how to save this game... yeah, that's more than a year ago, but I still smile myself when thinking of it and it keeps me "humble" enough to accept any and all questions from a new player. So... you were unlucky, I think. I also know that the Help channel is a great place to find help and guidance. If 2 hours has been enough for you... then I am sorry. But you should try again. Send me an eve-mail if you want. I promise you'll have no reason to regret it. We don't eat noobs - we train them and nourish them until they are strong and can go out into the world. And may the world be a better place for that. ;-) Amanda Amanda Wilkins CEO of Dromedary, Goat, Albatross and Fish Protector of the Bunnies of Stain ... because we DGAF!
Necrosmith Gallente Excellence In Business Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.17 17:57:00 - [42] This is what I love about Eve - it chases away people like the Op. Best Regards, --Necro ------------- "Isk is cheap. Life is cheaper. This week, they're having a sale on both."
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.06.17 17:58:00 - [43] Originally by: Cristalline Of course, this game has a lot of promise, but far too complicated for the casual gamer. Win! Eve will supposedly have an upper limit to its population.. Who do you want in the game to interact with.. A bunch of guys who log on once a week to mine or run some missions or a dedicated player willing to spend the time and effort to make the game enjoyable for all.. As far as the **ers that harrased you in the beggining well every game on the planet that has open chat has them and they generaly are the most vocal.. You just need to take the time to find some friendly types and then get invited to the private chat which is generally much more likely for having a resonable convo.. Originally by:** David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Necrosmith Gallente Excellence In Business Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.17 18:01:00 - [44] Originally by: Kvarium Ki I was pretty disgusted to see some FATAL guys camping a school station with a "free loot" can the other day. I think GMs should patrol the starting stations for this sort of thing. KK I've seen stuff like that - lame. Best Regards, --Necro ------------- "Isk is cheap. Life is cheaper. This week, they're having a sale on both."
Eskona Runningstar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.06.17 18:03:00 - [45] Edited by: Eskona Runningstar on 17/06/2007 18:01:55 Originally by: CCP Wrangler I'm sorry to hear you had this experience, but a lot of EVE players are very friendly to newcomers. I can also recommend EVE University, which is a player run corporation that helps out new players during their first time in EVE. Thanks for mentioning us. The page linked to is slightly out-of-date, though. The current page is at http://www.eve-ivy.com, our in-game channel is named "Eve University".
Finraer Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.06.17 18:05:00 - [46] Originally by: CCP Wrangler I'm sorry to hear you had this experience, but a lot of EVE players are very friendly to newcomers. I can also recommend EVE University, which is a player run corporation that helps out new players during their first time in EVE. Our website has changed a wee bit since then. The following out-of-game site has our forums, help guides, audio classes (please don't listen to mine!) and all sorts of other stuff: http://www.eve-ivy.com/ Visit in-game to set up a username and then you get access to the guides section - also you can find us in our in-game channel "EVE University". As Wrangler says, we aim to help out new players getting to grips with the game. There are a lot of helpful people out there in the community (we are by no means alone in our endeavours) - hopefully you can find a helpful corp and you'll soon get hooked on EVE, losing all social life and bemoaning the 1 hour of downtime that keeps you from playing (although everyone has to sleep some time I guess...) All the best Finraer Training Director EVE University http://thesurrealist.co.uk/monster?def=Finraer
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.06.17 18:44:00 - [47] Eve is not harsh because you are new. Eve is harsh because Eve is harsh. This is not Super Mario Brothers. Welcome to Mafia Online.
EFF ONEF1 Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.17 19:06:00 - [48] The OP is correct, EVE is not friendly the the casual gamer for the most part. And that is why it is as good as it is. Very nearly anything goes, as opposed to ther games where everything is laid out for you, here you have to think, as you actions can have severe consequences and the only one to blame is yourself. However, a persistent, time based, skill progression is probably the most casual friendly out there. All you gotta do is log in and change skills. Dont have to play really at all except for money to buy skill books, then you dont have to log in but to change skills. Its not like other MMOs where wife aggro can mean you dont get to run x-instance and get phat lewtz and then you have to wait a few days to get enough people to advance. but umm yeah 2 hours? all online games have lag at some point in some places, exactly what "issue" with lag did you have that you had to ask a question? Internet + game + 700 kids in a system = lag. in every game. furthermore, 2 hours gameplay is not enough familiarity with the game mechanics to be thinking you were being effected by a bug. even professional testers are worthless on a game until they know the mechanics of the game back and forth and then can find the stuff that isnt right. really all it takes is a bit of thought to enjoy eve, a rarity in MMOs i know, but no more complicated than say, doing your taxes ----------------------------------------------- I have been known to take shuttles to various parts of 0.0 Why? Don't really know. I'm not an alt. One character, one account.
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.17 19:10:00 - [49] Originally by: Cristalline After spending 2 hours learning to play EVE Online, i was harrassed, insulted and generally annoyed by no less that 10-15 players with no recourse available to new players other than the ignore function. After requesting help on a number of things from lag issues, bugs and other game mechanics from the general community, i was met with open hostility from the 'you should know' crowd. I liken this to the 'Life begins at level 70' crowd from World of Warcraft. At least this is tolerable as you rarely ever see or hear them unless you visit a major city. Of course, this game has a lot of promise, but far too complicated for the casual gamer. I have nothing but respect for the game and its designers. Rather, i have little to no respect for the community with which resides on the servers day and night. From this reaction after only 2 hours spent, i have therefore cancelled my subscription. If something had been done to quell the player harrassment issues before getting out of hand, i would undoubtedly have had a much better experience. So to sum up, the community ruined any possiblity of enjoyment from this game. After you get so much abuse you want to abuse back. :) --- Adopt a goon today, goons need lub and support too. Do you want him out in the cold, starving ?
Quithlar Binay Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.06.17 19:20:00 - [50] I am sorry to hear of your experience, Cristalline. It is unfortunate that some pilots take petty pleasure in the derision of others, but here as everywhere, that is true. One can only refuse to let such individuals dictate one's enjoyment of Eve. And I recommend that you do so, because Eve is worth experiencing, and what you found is but a small, sordid part of it. As a new pilot, many of your answers will be found in the tutorial. If you were told this in a rude manner, it only demonstrates that those who were trying to deride you couldn't help but help you. Some find the tutorial boring, but as you discover more about Eve, I think you will find that not only is the tutorial necessary, it hardly covers the bare basics of what you need to know. If you prefer a different format for learning, or more information, then I recommend CONCORD's New Pilot Guide, which presents many issues in a clear manner. Finally, there are several pilots in the Federal Navy Academy who can and will answer your questions. I hope that you will find us available when you are present. Safe travels... ------------ Quithlar Binay Instructor, Advanced Studies Federal Navy Academy
Gusy	Posted - 2007.06.17 19:24:00 - [51] Originally by: Kjetilen Edited by: Kjetilen on 17/06/2007 13:22:21 When i first startet playing eve (3 years ago) the Comuinuty was the reson i stayed in the g You have an unfair advantage with your inexplicably floating head
l3lind Man Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.17 19:33:00 - [52] the game isn't that complicated, if I understood it when I started almost 3 years ago (i was 13) then yeah... so much better than any other mmo which within 30 seconds i know every hotkey because they are the same as WoW's (LOTRO anyone?).. also im sorry 2 say its you doing something wrong, people wont just harass you for no reason, toughen up..
steveid Metatron Industries	Posted - 2007.06.17 19:48:00 - [53] Originally by: l3lind Man the game isn't that complicated, if I understood it when I started almost 3 years ago (i was 13) then yeah... so much better than any other mmo which within 30 seconds i know every hotkey because they are the same as WoW's (LOTRO anyone?).. also im sorry 2 say its you doing something wrong, people wont just harass you for no reason, toughen up.. this game is pretty damn complicated but thats a good thing. it keeps away the 11 year olds and is generally a game for adults. Who would have thought those quadratic equations you were thought would actually come in handy? As for the op, i feel your pain fella. Put simply you will never be able to be a major player in 0.0 warfare. Never. There will always be people with better skills, connections and more money and whats more they will ALWAYS have better skills, connection and more money. Thats a hard bullet to bite and I can understand why peeps would be a little ***ed with this. Even attempting to do this would require a minimum of two years investment .. two years :D. Most peeps i know wouldn't put that much investment into a job in order to get promoted so why do it in a game? Once again its my opinion that capital ships are the ruination of eve, and the more we go down the road of soverignity and titans the harder it will be for low skilled players to stand a chance against them. This kind of limits you to empire pvp which is practically unplayable in the main hubs, and the only major player in that field the privateers were nerfed to death. If I started now i dont think i would play, i've played for years now tho so i'll stick around in the hope that things improve. snip* - signature removed, please email us ([email protected]) if you wish to know why. -Ivan K
Stellar Vix State War Academy	Posted - 2007.06.17 19:48:00 - [54] If there was a way to get them to aggro an entire newbie gang SWA PVP would mess those guys up whenever we could, but from what I understand they cant aggro the whole gang. ========= 400x120 13kbs... SWA Qualified Instructor and Mascot or sorts Ensign Stellar Vix
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.06.17 20:12:00 - [55] I imagine the OPs experience went a little something like this... Station loads... OP: Pfft... tutorial. cancel stares at pod for 45 seconds aimlessly moving the mouse around the screen. enters Rookie Help Channel" OP: omg gaiz hai2u! OP: how do I ge tin a ship? I want 2 be in battleship now" Helpful RH People: Do the tutorial. And you won't be in a Battleship for a good bit... OP: HOW DOES I GET IN MAH SPACESHIP??!!?!!?!?!?!?!/11/?1/1mongoose????1!?!??! RH folks: Do the tutorial and you'll know what to do. OP blocked by half the room.*
Tovarishch Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.17 20:34:00 - [56] Edited by: Tovarishch on 17/06/2007 20:35:58 Originally by: Minerva Vulcan I imagine the OPs experience went a little something like this... Station loads... OP: Pfft... tutorial. cancel stares at pod for 45 seconds aimlessly moving the mouse around the screen. enters Rookie Help Channel" OP: omg gaiz hai2u! OP: how do I ge tin a ship? I want 2 be in battleship now" Helpful RH People: Do the tutorial. And you won't be in a Battleship for a good bit... OP: HOW DOES I GET IN MAH SPACESHIP??!!?!!?!?!?!?!/11/?1/1mongoose????1!?!??! RH folks: Do the tutorial and you'll know what to do. OP blocked by half the room.* Idiotic posts like this prove the OP's point. To the OP - Unfortunately, much of online gaming tends to consist of weeding out the bad apples from the good ones... and generally exercising maturity and consideration when many others lack any. It's a sad fact, but true. The anonymity of the Intraweb tends to bring out the true nature of some people. The EVE community has (generally speaking) been slightly ahead of the curve in maturity and consideration. EVE is not an easy game, and the learning curve sends many people packing... which, in my humble opinion, is fine. Trial by fire strengthens the community... and filters out numerous idiots. However, the gameworld of EVE is difficult. If dealing with miscreants and inconsiderate people in a general chat channel is going to dissuade you from playing this wonderful game... it's a safe bet that what the future in the game holds would really, really upset you. Consider thickening your skin a bit and realizing that stupid kids are an unfortunate part of the landscape. Trust me, EVE is a game worth fighting to enjoy. All life is sacred... until the client says otherwise.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.06.17 20:40:00 - [57] Originally by: Tovarishch Idiotic posts like this prove the OP's point. To the OP - Unfortunately, much of online gaming tends to consist of weeding out the bad apples from the good ones... and generally exercising maturity and consideration when many others lack any. It's a sad fact, but true. The anonymity of the Intraweb tends to bring out the true nature of some people. The EVE community has (generally speaking) been slightly ahead of the curve in maturity and consideration. EVE is not an easy game, and the learning curve sends many people packing... which, in my humble opinion, is fine. Trial by fire strengthens the community... and filters out numerous idiots. However, the gameworld of EVE is difficult. If dealing with miscreants and inconsiderate people in a general chat channel is going to dissuade you from playing this wonderful game... it's a safe bet that what the future in the game holds would really, really upset you. Consider thickening your skin a bit and realizing that stupid kids are an unfortunate part of the landscape. Trust me, EVE is a game worth fighting to enjoy. Idiotic nothing. I spent all 30 days in the Rookie Help channel, and at least a half a dozen times a day, with the exact same claim that everyone in EVE is a bunch of bastards and it's to hard.
Tovarishch Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.17 20:44:00 - [58] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Originally by: Tovarishch Idiotic posts like this prove the OP's point. To the OP - Unfortunately, much of online gaming tends to consist of weeding out the bad apples from the good ones... and generally exercising maturity and consideration when many others lack any. It's a sad fact, but true. The anonymity of the Intraweb tends to bring out the true nature of some people. The EVE community has (generally speaking) been slightly ahead of the curve in maturity and consideration. EVE is not an easy game, and the learning curve sends many people packing... which, in my humble opinion, is fine. Trial by fire strengthens the community... and filters out numerous idiots. However, the gameworld of EVE is difficult. If dealing with miscreants and inconsiderate people in a general chat channel is going to dissuade you from playing this wonderful game... it's a safe bet that what the future in the game holds would really, really upset you. Consider thickening your skin a bit and realizing that stupid kids are an unfortunate part of the landscape. Trust me, EVE is a game worth fighting to enjoy. Idiotic nothing. I spent all 30 days in the Rookie Help channel, and at least a half a dozen times a day, with the exact same claim that everyone in EVE is a bunch of bastards and it's to hard. A few times in my life I've had things stolen from me. Almost everytime it happened the person had blue eyes. My bike was stolen the other day. I bet it was someone with blue eyes again. /sarcasm off Stop stereotyping people. All life is sacred... until the client says otherwise.
Cmdr Sy IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2007.06.17 20:44:00 - [59] I get newbie convos from time to time, I never give them that treatment. Last week I logged in for a quick skill change before bed, spent an hour explaining EW to someone, just because of an EVE-mail. When I was new, I never got much grief from the 1-year "vets" either. I think it's just a case of asking in the wrong place. Asking for help in a hub is like asking for help in a big city IRL. No-one cares, no-one has the time, a crowd offers anonymity. Maybe go a couple of jumps off the beaten path and ask there? Logoffs
Chainsaw Plankton	Posted - 2007.06.17 21:02:00 - [60] i got a lot of good help, from the rookie chat/corp chat. although it does shock/annoy me looking at rookie chat and seeing all the same questions asked/answered over and over again when the answer to the question is in the popup text from when you first log on.

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