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NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.06.18 23:27:00 - [31] Originally by: Kramer Verone give it up, sparta's membership only grew as a result of their wise decision. That generally happens when they absorb all the homeless people stranded in the conquered regions around them. -------------------------------------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.18 23:34:00 - [32] Originally by: NATMav Originally by: Kramer Verone give it up, sparta's membership only grew as a result of their wise decision. That generally happens when they absorb all the homeless people stranded in the conquered regions around them. Yeah. Even our corp joined thinking it'd be a decent front to continue the war on. Didn't really last after the standings switch, as you can tell from my ticker I mean no offence to them, and a thousand thanks for taking us in when we needed it. But we sort of ended up on the wrong side and needed to fix it --------
Syntosk Amarr The Edge Foundation Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2007.06.19 00:50:00 - [33] Originally by: Patch86 Yeah. Even our corp joined thinking it'd be a decent front to continue the war on. Didn't really last after the standings switch, as you can tell from my ticker I mean no offence to them, and a thousand thanks for taking us in when we needed it. But we sort of ended up on the wrong side and needed to fix it Great, this is how brave people should behave, the worst lie is the one we tell to ourselfs. -- "Purge the unclean..."
Zylatis Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.19 02:29:00 - [34] Quote: They eventually made a deal with Persia to rule European Greece. Pretty sure Alexander whooped all of Persia and Asia minor.
Camilo Cienfuegos EP0CH	Posted - 2007.06.19 02:30:00 - [35] Judging by the colours of the map (and not wanting to ever visit Deklein again this is the only judgement I can make) it looks like Sparta pretty much did what they did in the GNW, but this time got away with it Grats. -- Fix Caldari \| Fix Rigs
Polydectes Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.19 04:13:00 - [36] Edited by: Polydectes on 19/06/2007 04:21:25 Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/06/2007 12:32:33 Sparta's position is that slaughtering all those ships has left a nasty cramp in its leg, so kneeling will be hard for it. Last I heard they were planning on dining in hell tonight, probably in the shade. Im pretty sure you are going to have to pay royalties soon for 300 references :\ But its still funny.
Caios Caldari Unified Refining Federation Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.19 04:45:00 - [37] Originally by: Zylatis Quote: They eventually made a deal with Persia to rule European Greece. Pretty sure Alexander whooped all of Persia and Asia minor. That was waaay after, plus Alexander was Macedonian, not Spartan.
Vendorella Montreal Irishmen	Posted - 2007.06.19 05:40:00 - [38] It strikes me that if the OP needs to ask a question like "what are X's standings towards Y", then perhaps he/she is not in a position to be effected by the answer. I'm sure SPARTA and BOB know their standings towards each other, as does everyone of importance that is involved. That's like me asking "Hey... what is Morsus Mihi's standing towards FREGE?" It really doesn't affect me, so I don't give a toss.... though I'm sure both Morsus and FREGE have a general idea. All that can be intended by a post like this is to stir up crap, and to be frank, the CAOD forums have really become around 80-90% crap-disturbing. I pitty the mods who have to read pages and pages of drivel (and "300" quotes, no matter how funny they may be). Find something more creative to do during patch day! ---------------------------------------------- You are now reading my sig.... have a nice day!
Dynamist Antipodean inc. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.19 05:51:00 - [39] Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos Judging by the colours of the map (and not wanting to ever visit Deklein again this is the only judgement I can make) it looks like Sparta pretty much did what they did in the GNW, but this time got away with it Grats. FYI, we didn't pick the colour on the map. If you're interested in a more accurate description of events and aren't willing to take our word for it, I suggest you scan the MC campaign report for mention of Sparta. We don't feature very often, but its a fairly accurate report of events in our case. As one of the many people who have joined Sparta well after the events of last year, this constant harping on about events from history seems pretty lame. Sparta has the energy and atmosphere of a fresh, young, alliance regardless of how long the name has been around. To continue to liken it to the "old" Sparta is misinformed at best. I think a lot of people would benefit from taking their heads out of the history books for a moment and thinking about the present and the future rather than what "might have been" or what "should have been". Sometimes this kind of attitude makes me want to head out to the drone regions because they don't have all the historical baggage. Fortunately, all I really have to do is remind myself that just because someone says it on the internet, doesn't mean its true.
0August0 Gallente Gooch Unlimited	Posted - 2007.06.19 05:52:00 - [40] Actually I think a better Greek analogy to the Sparta alliance would be the March of the 10,000 on the Persian expedition of 401 bc. Brought into a Persian civil war by Cyrus the Pretender then abandoned deep in enemy territory upon his death, 10,000 Greeks made an epic fighting withdrawal over a thousand miles back home to Greece. . . . Regards, August
Camilo Cienfuegos EP0CH	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:53:00 - [41] Edited by: Camilo Cienfuegos on 19/06/2007 06:53:46 Quote: FYI, we didn't pick the colour on the map. If you're interested in a more accurate description of events and aren't willing to take our word for it, I suggest you scan the MC campaign report for mention of Sparta. We don't feature very often, but its a fairly accurate report of events in our case. I will, thank you for the advice. Quote: As one of the many people who have joined Sparta well after the events of last year, this constant harping on about events from history seems pretty lame. I can understand this. As an ex-NFC & Sparta member though, I cannot help but remember how close to destruction they were at the whim of their neighbours. I didn't intend to "dig" at Sparta for their standings reset - quite the opposite; you have been pragmatic, and whilst many may not like you for this I applaud you. Hell, in many ways I'd quite like to (re)join you! Quote: Sparta has the energy and atmosphere of a fresh, young, alliance regardless of how long the name has been around. To continue to liken it to the "old" Sparta is misinformed at best. I think a lot of people would benefit from taking their heads out of the history books for a moment and thinking about the present and the future rather than what "might have been" or what "should have been". That was not my intention. The map however shows that the Sparta Alliance have made territorial gains as a result of the Mercenary Coalition contract in the north, and I was merely bringing this into the thread. The last time Sparta saw gains like these was after the GNW, when the "old" command structure re-established control over the alliance following the merging into Sparta of NFC. So I see where you're coming from, but bizarrely it was the new Sparta that nearly saw it destroyed, and the old Sparta that brought it back from the brink. At least that's what it appears like from the perspective of someone who last set foot in Deklein during the GNW. Quote: Sometimes this kind of attitude makes me want to head out to the drone regions because they don't have all the historical baggage. Fortunately, all I really have to do is remind myself that just because someone says it on the internet, doesn't mean its true. QFT -- Fix Caldari \| Fix Rigs
band0fdevs Gallente Band of Dev's	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:57:00 - [42] Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos Judging by the colours of the map (and not wanting to ever visit Deklein again this is the only judgement I can make) it looks like Sparta pretty much did what they did in the GNW, but this time got away with it Grats. its a marriage of conveince happens al lthe time
Dynamist Antipodean inc. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.19 07:36:00 - [43] Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos I can understand this. As an ex-NFC & Sparta member though, I cannot help but remember how close to destruction they were at the whim of their neighbours. I didn't intend to "dig" at Sparta for their standings reset - quite the opposite; you have been pragmatic, and whilst many may not like you for this I applaud you. Hell, in many ways I'd quite like to (re)join you! Quote: Sparta has the energy and atmosphere of a fresh, young, alliance regardless of how long the name has been around. To continue to liken it to the "old" Sparta is misinformed at best. I think a lot of people would benefit from taking their heads out of the history books for a moment and thinking about the present and the future rather than what "might have been" or what "should have been". That was not my intention. The map however shows that the Sparta Alliance have made territorial gains as a result of the Mercenary Coalition contract in the north, and I was merely bringing this into the thread. The last time Sparta saw gains like these was after the GNW, when the "old" command structure re-established control over the alliance following the merging into Sparta of NFC. So I see where you're coming from, but bizarrely it was the new Sparta that nearly saw it destroyed, and the old Sparta that brought it back from the brink. At least that's what it appears like from the perspective of someone who last set foot in Deklein during the GNW. Well, I think I see what you mean. This is the reason so many people hate BoB. Its the sure knowledge that if BoB decided to kill them, there is absolutely nothing they could do to stop it. This leaves people with the choice of accepting the new reality and making the best of it, or going down in a blaze of soon-to-be-forgotten glory. Choosing to live and fight another day may not be as exciting for the popcorn gallery, but then they weren't the ones faced with the choice. Perhaps its easier for me, being a newish player (1 year). I'm not all emo about old friends, hated enemies, home ground, or past betrayals. I'm just looking at the current situation and deciding to make the best of it. I think Sparta is doing the same: Looking at reality, and living with the world as it is, not as we'd like it to be. Thats all anyone can do until they acquire the power to change the world.
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.06.19 07:49:00 - [44] Originally by: Dynamist Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos I can understand this. As an ex-NFC & Sparta member though, I cannot help but remember how close to destruction they were at the whim of their neighbours. I didn't intend to "dig" at Sparta for their standings reset - quite the opposite; you have been pragmatic, and whilst many may not like you for this I applaud you. Hell, in many ways I'd quite like to (re)join you! Quote: Sparta has the energy and atmosphere of a fresh, young, alliance regardless of how long the name has been around. To continue to liken it to the "old" Sparta is misinformed at best. I think a lot of people would benefit from taking their heads out of the history books for a moment and thinking about the present and the future rather than what "might have been" or what "should have been". That was not my intention. The map however shows that the Sparta Alliance have made territorial gains as a result of the Mercenary Coalition contract in the north, and I was merely bringing this into the thread. The last time Sparta saw gains like these was after the GNW, when the "old" command structure re-established control over the alliance following the merging into Sparta of NFC. So I see where you're coming from, but bizarrely it was the new Sparta that nearly saw it destroyed, and the old Sparta that brought it back from the brink. At least that's what it appears like from the perspective of someone who last set foot in Deklein during the GNW. Well, I think I see what you mean. This is the reason so many people hate BoB. Its the sure knowledge that if BoB decided to kill them, there is absolutely nothing they could do to stop it. This leaves people with the choice of accepting the new reality and making the best of it, or going down in a blaze of soon-to-be-forgotten glory. Choosing to live and fight another day may not be as exciting for the popcorn gallery, but then they weren't the ones faced with the choice. Perhaps its easier for me, being a newish player (1 year). I'm not all emo about old friends, hated enemies, home ground, or past betrayals. I'm just looking at the current situation and deciding to make the best of it. I think Sparta is doing the same: Looking at reality, and living with the world as it is, not as we'd like it to be. Thats all anyone can do until they acquire the power to change the world. People don't hate bob because they can destroy you they hate them by their attitude. The people that don't figth BoB are just loosing PVP experience ,and are deluding themselves if they think they aren't going to destroy them after they are done. Has for the Sparta alliance ,when i read that they were "retreating" from the war made me sad because people now don¦t stand for anything, they just want to win and have space,mhee. I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP.
band0fdevs Gallente Band of Dev's	Posted - 2007.06.19 08:25:00 - [45] the future committed anti bob forces may have to hide in forgotten pockets of 0.0 or adapt to a hit and run mentality and if bob comes offering favourable terms decline and continue harassment. Looks like slacker industries got converted easily after bombarding bob in delve one of very few outfits to be able to pull it off.
Zylatis Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.19 09:06:00 - [46] Quote: That was waaay after, plus Alexander was Macedonian, not Spartan. Aye, but he lead Greeks, and Phillip of Macdeon, his faja, tried to setup a greek arena which didnt comprise of city states *****ing at each other. But as you are all no doubt away this has nothing to do with history :)
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.19 09:19:00 - [47] Originally by: Zylatis Quote: They eventually made a deal with Persia to rule European Greece. Pretty sure Alexander whooped all of Persia and Asia minor. two centuries later.
Mattduk Gallente Universal Army	Posted - 2007.06.19 10:16:00 - [48] Wikipedia is your friend.
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.19 10:20:00 - [49] Originally by: Zylatis Quote: They eventually made a deal with Persia to rule European Greece. Pretty sure Alexander whooped all of Persia and Asia minor. Alexander was Macedonian, he conqured Greece before he went to war with persia Originally by: Jiekon/CCP If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine.
Anton Marx Caldari Bulgarian Mafia Squad The OSS	Posted - 2007.06.19 10:35:00 - [50] Originally by: Mattduk Wikipedia is your friend. Even better - Omega Security Syndicate - [BULG]Anton Marx
Zylatis Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.19 11:07:00 - [51] Edited by: Zylatis on 19/06/2007 11:10:13 Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich Originally by: Zylatis Quote: They eventually made a deal with Persia to rule European Greece. Pretty sure Alexander whooped all of Persia and Asia minor. Alexander was Macedonian, he conqured Greece before he went to war with persia sigh ok if we want to be specific, Philip conquered Greece, except for Sparta, in a fell swoop and then made his grand plan of attacking persia after seeing Spartas sucsesses against the supposedly 'undefeatable' horde. After he conqered Greece he set up a the greek league which failed miserably several times because he valued the opinions of enlightened peoples such as the Athenians etc and tried to work with them as sort of equals, although back then not being stabbed upfront is equal so... But then he got assasinated and Alexander went off killing people. But yes, sorry, persian conquests was after thermopylae. Fair cop. But its not like the new version of the movie yall quote like the bible is particularly accurate :) But to get back to EVE related stuff...pretty sure the guy who made the maps put us in the same colour as the alliance bandwagon rather than us opting for it. EDIT: gah types galore.
Cythrawl Caldari Central Defiance Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.06.19 11:09:00 - [52] Edited by: Cythrawl on 19/06/2007 11:09:41 Originally by: Anton Marx Originally by: Mattduk Wikipedia is your friend. Even better Even better than that. Honestly though, the 300 jokes are just too much. The dog should be dead from all the beating its getting. =+=+=+=+=+=+= Originally by: Black Torment OH GOD, DROWNING IN TINFOIL
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.06.19 12:45:00 - [53] Originally by: Vendorella All that can be intended by a post like this is to stir up crap, and to be frank, the CAOD forums have really become around 80-90% crap-disturbing. I pitty the mods who have to read pages and pages of drivel (and "300" quotes, no matter how funny they may be). QFT (but "300" quotes ftw).
Danti Shidomu Gallente New Career Move	Posted - 2007.06.19 13:11:00 - [54] Originally by: Harleigh Not even worth my time to respond to the actual OP .. Didn't I see your pods on my killboard this weekend when you came to visit? .. That is all you need to know about our standings Any man who wishes to emphasize his victories over his defeat to the public, enjoys no victory at all. ----- "It is during times of peril that a team must stick together to survive. And it is during times of peace, that such peril must be sought." - Danti Shidomu, on NCM.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.06.19 14:04:00 - [55] Originally by: 0August0 Actually I think a better Greek analogy to the Sparta alliance would be the March of the 10,000 on the Persian expedition of 401 bc. Brought into a Persian civil war by Cyrus the Pretender then abandoned deep in enemy territory upon his death, 10,000 Greeks made an epic fighting withdrawal over a thousand miles back home to Greece. They would then be known as The Warriors. As for Sparta wanting to be exhonorated from their past mistakes, that takes deeds opposite not similar to the ones you've perpetrated in the past. If you wanted a fresh start shedding the tarnished name would be the first step, take on the name and you take on the shame coming with it. Not that I have any vested interest in the matter, just filling in for captain Obvious. Also Known As
0August0 Gallente Gooch Unlimited	Posted - 2007.06.19 15:30:00 - [56] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Originally by: 0August0 Actually I think a better Greek analogy to the Sparta alliance would be the March of the 10,000 on the Persian expedition of 401 bc. Brought into a Persian civil war by Cyrus the Pretender then abandoned deep in enemy territory upon his death, 10,000 Greeks made an epic fighting withdrawal over a thousand miles back home to Greece. They would then be known as The Warriors. As for Sparta wanting to be exhonorated from their past mistakes, that takes deeds opposite not similar to the ones you've perpetrated in the past. If you wanted a fresh start shedding the tarnished name would be the first step, take on the name and you take on the shame coming with it. Not that I have any vested interest in the matter, just filling in for captain Obvious. You must mean the "royal" you as my vested interest in the matter is about the same as yours. The Warriors was a good movie though. . . . Regards, August
Dynamist Antipodean inc. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.19 15:31:00 - [57] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Not that I have any vested interest in the matter, And as such it's easy to make judgements and pronouncements from the armchair of hearsay. Anyway, no further justifications are required or forthcoming from me. The people who actually matter already know the answers to the OP. Feel free to continue quoting 300...
Draconian Arcane Minmatar Praetorian BlackGuard	Posted - 2007.06.19 16:58:00 - [58] Originally by: Vincent Volante Spartas allegiance will be to whomever can kick them in the nuts and take their space from them, so to ensure that this wont happen they crawl up the rear of the new power of the region. Nac I'm dissapointed. I thought people that don't show their corporation and alliance weren't allowed to post in this forum? Also this could have been asked in game via eve mail or chat ( No offense Danti. but it's true ). From my experience with Sparta they are doing what is best for their alliance and the corporations that belong to it and support them. For people who probably never fought for them, with them, or against them to comment really doesn't make sense, since you're not involved and really don't have a clue on anything that's going on and should be real warriors talking with action rather than being forum warriors and stirring up nonsense.
Danti Shidomu Gallente New Career Move	Posted - 2007.06.19 20:33:00 - [59] Originally by: Draconian Arcane I thought people that don't show their corporation and alliance weren't allowed to post in this forum? Also this could have been asked in game via eve mail or chat ( No offense Danti. but it's true ). This kinda goes for the entire COAD forum matey, I see countless of questions answered in a mature, and direct way, questions that could¦ve been easily asked ingame. Good luck on telling everyone to evemail instead of posting on the forums. As a finishing note, thanks to those who took their time to simply answer my question. ----- "It is during times of peril that a team must stick together to survive. And it is during times of peace, that such peril must be sought." - Danti Shidomu, on NCM.
CLEISTHENES2 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.19 20:47:00 - [60] Sparta is a bob alt alliance, there you go i have said it.

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