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Hilabana
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: Hilabana on 18/06/2007 15:00:32
It is time for isk sellers to be muted for we the player do not think paying for there trial account to spam our chat room is right!
If they are going to use a trial account just to spam chat room then we need a Fillter ingame so that they can no longer spam chat room other then the new player help and local chat room.
Plus us players having to petition every time there is a ISK seller and have a GM hunt it down take time from other player that may be having some real problems.
Is it right that the players that pay for the game and go by the rules must support the ISK seller ingame to spam us with there trash ?
How many support this ?
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:04:00 -
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So you want to punish everyone with a trial account for the wrong-doings of some?
And what's wrong with a GM having to ban an isk seller? Stopping him from talking in certain channels won't stop him advertising for iskselling, so a GM will have to deal with it anyway.
=AFK=
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:05:00 -
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I'll let CCP deal with it. Or you can just go on a manhunt and do whatever it is you can do to people who buy isk with real life money.
I'd rather see them put Space Whales into the game (see link in sig) than have everyone work on some way to monitor people in RL just to make sure they aren't giving RL money for that trade transaction.
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Put in space whales!
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Zeonos
Amarr
Fairtrade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:05:00 -
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simple. trails cant, send mail, invite people to chats, join any chat besides help and local. and give paying players an other to "Ignore trail accounts" maybe make a list so you can allow trails to talk to you.
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:07:00 -
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Stop ISK buyers, problem solved. |
NOFACE ALT
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:10:00 -
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I guess what you are asking for is for GM's to add a word filter and make the isk sellers website a filtered word. E.g someone saying "Buy isk at www.RandomIskSellingWebsite.com" to be replaced by "Buy isk at www.*********.com" automatically, thus forcing isk sellers to constandly buy new doamins.
But then again, that wont work much so the only way to stop isk buyers is to get people to stop buying it.
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Hilabana
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Shameless Avenger
Stop ISK buyers, problem solved.
And let the ISK Seller still spam chat rooms and have us players pay for them to do it ?
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Zeonos
Amarr
Fairtrade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:11:00 -
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w w w . R a n d o m I s k S e l l i n g W e b s i t e . c o m
there you go. isk seller problem solved. :)
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DarkAvenger DK
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:21:00 -
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i support you in this hilabana, and i think its about time something is done, by eighter banning there entire account / IP or whatever that can be done to stop this madness of random sellers for RL money, its not a right thing to do and especially not in a game like this.
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Mimi Ar'Skele
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:21:00 -
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Even in the old pre-history days of MUDs clients had the ability to filter out text. Not the servers, the clients. Instead of loading down the servers give the clients the ability to filter text.
Example:
/gag *noobseller.com*, and I never see the spammer again.
However, since that feature may take a bit of coding to get out to us, I'd also vote for a restricted chat ability for trials. Trials already have significant limitations placed on them to avoid non-stop contract scamming and many methods of ISK farming.
Limiting spamming ability to two channels (rookie help, newbie corp) will go a long way to solving the problem. Those channels are routinely patrolled by ISD members who can be empowered to take appropriate action when they see ISK sales spam, including the reminder to the chat room denizens that ISK buying will be punished.
GM time is limited. It should not be monopolized by having to deal with dozens of petitions re: ISK sellers an hour.
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Caios
Caldari
Unified Refining Federation
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Caios on 18/06/2007 16:01:36
If CCP managed to truly end rl money exchanges, they'd be the first MMO in the history of the industry to do so.
They aren't going anywhere, so long as the lazy bums with money to burn provide the sellers a market. Get used to it.
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Fink Angel
Caldari
The Merry Men
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:06:00 -
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CCP should legalise ISK selling, offering an in game service to safely put together ISK sellers and ISK buyers.
... slowly, slowly catchee monkey ...
Then open a can of WTF-PWNAGE-WHOOPASS-CONCORDOKKEN on them, ban all their accounts, their credit cards, their internet addresses, their MAC addresses.
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voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Caios
Edited by: Caios on 18/06/2007 16:01:36
If CCP managed to truly end rl money exchanges, they'd be the first MMO in the history of the industry to do so.
They aren't going anywhere, so long as the lazy bums with money to burn provide the sellers a market. Get used to it.
You can't stop it.
It's like trying to stop drug trafficing, or criminals.
You can however, activly hunt people that do it and punish them, which would serve as a deterrent.
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Zeonos
Amarr
Fairtrade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Zeonos on 18/06/2007 16:37:52
disallow chinese ip's... :) problem solved, they have their own client to play with. and ofc. my above statement.
one wow addon "spamsentry" worked wonders, never saw a gold seller after i got that addon, so eve should make something like that.
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Pimm
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:48:00 -
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ISK sellers donĘt bug me. But one thing that I find strange is that you can join the eve-radio channel which points to an outside web site that has advertisements for ISK sellers.
Make trial accounts unable to post URL's that point outside of the game. At least clickable ones.
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Eskalin
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:55:00 -
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people are going to buy isk. it's the nature of humans to seek an advantage ccp should look into making a clearinghouse for the isk farmers set isk prices and make some money off the lazy /inept player prohibition doesn't work there will always be a way around it. just normalize the transaction and people will be alot happier
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Reverend Void
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Zeonos
Edited by: Zeonos on 18/06/2007 16:37:52
disallow chinese ip's... :) problem solved, they have their own client to play with. and ofc. my above statement.
one wow addon "spamsentry" worked wonders, never saw a gold seller after i got that addon, so eve should make something like that.
But then you're assuming that everyone logging in from China is an isk seller, and that anyone in that IP range is even Chinese (they're not). Of course out of all the foreigners living in China there are very few who are also Eve players, but banning all China IPs would screw over some legit players.
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STLEM2
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:33:00 -
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Actually the real answer is what CCP are already doing, allow GTC>ISK, ban people selling/buying isk for $$$ directly. The way the 'offical' system is setup people can buy isk, but people can't 'sell' isk. Which means no business can use the official system to make an income. Now the only people using the unoffical system are idiots when they can get banned for saving a few $$$.... when they could have done the whole thing 'legitmately'. You really have to ***** down on the buyers pretty hard too, because they're the only ones CCP can effectively 'threaten'.
The spaming of the chat room is really the least of our worries though, you really have to worry about how they got that isk they're selling.
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Zingo Aleig
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Caios
They aren't going anywhere, so long as the lazy bums with money to burn provide the sellers a market. Get used to it.
What about GTC sellers? CCP does the same thing that isk sellers do in game... they just sell isk at much higher prices.
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Caios
Caldari
Unified Refining Federation
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.18 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Zeonos
Edited by: Zeonos on 18/06/2007 16:37:52
disallow chinese ip's... :) problem solved, they have their own client to play with. and ofc. my above statement.
Yes, implement blanket restrictions based on nationality due to the actions of a nonrepresentative number of violators and asshat western macro'ers who pretend to be Chinese (a common practice, I understand). That's bull****, even if there is a separate drinking fountain..er, server.
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Thommy
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Posted - 2007.06.18 18:37:00 -
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CCP is doing an special action tomorrow (tuesday) from 02:00 AM (eve time) till the day after (wednesday) 02:00 AM.
Every isk seller, farmer, spammer, ... (fill in blanks) will be muted for 24 hours.
Just a reminder to not forget the long skills for the deployment of revelations 2 tomorrow 
Guide to fix eve problems.
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Camilo Cienfuegos
EP0CH
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Posted - 2007.06.18 18:42:00 -
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Quote:
Stop ISK buyers, problem solved.
That's right. /signed!
To those "demanding" CCP add filters, if you feel so strongly about ISK Sellers then get off your fat arse and do something about them yourself. Don't expect all your problems to be sorted out for you.
Filters can be bypassed, but if an ISK seller cannot make ISK or has noone willing to buy it, the problem goes away.
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Jeniveve Carter
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.18 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Jeniveve Carter on 18/06/2007 19:29:49
I was thinking about this why base the trial on days, instead base it on actual play time. Just long enough to complete the tutorial and do a few missions like 5 hours or so. This drastically cuts down the amount of time you get but for the real people who are trying the game and deciding to buy it might be enough.
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Mr Cleann
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:08:00 -
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I havent been spammed in ages. I thought CCP had finally done away with them .  Oh well. back to the drawing board. I think the only way to put a damper on them is to put limitations on new accounts. limit them to only the rookie channel or help channel. dont even allow them to use local channel. or if you do then perhapse add a toll charge for that channel. I think that limiting the areas where they can speak at would drasticly slow them down. You cut their lines of communication then they cant sell the isk. If someone dont like this idea, it is probably because they are selling isk. Thus making them apart of the problem and not the solution.
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Caios
Caldari
Unified Refining Federation
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: Caios on 18/06/2007 20:11:32
Edited by: Caios on 18/06/2007 20:11:11
Originally by: Mr Cleann
I havent been spammed in ages. I thought CCP had finally done away with them . Oh well. back to the drawing board. I think the only way to put a damper on them is to put limitations on new accounts. limit them to only the rookie channel or help channel. dont even allow them to use local channel. or if you do then perhapse add a toll charge for that channel. I think that limiting the areas where they can speak at would drasticly slow them down. You cut their lines of communication then they cant sell the isk. If someone dont like this idea, it is probably because they are selling isk. Thus making them apart of the problem and not the solution.
It would certainly lower the annoyance for older players, but think about it: the only people the spammers can realistically expect to actually win over with their spam are newer people who don't know better. Veterans either hate their guts, or are already regular buyers.
So it won't do anything in the long run. It'd be like trying to stop smoking by limiting cigarrete ads to schools and playgrounds.
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Ader
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Posted - 2007.06.19 01:40:00 -
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I support the issue against "isk" sellers in any game, never liked it, never will.
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Taikun Brunel
Gallente
Evolved Gamer
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.06.19 01:48:00 -
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CCP will not go after the ISK buyers because they do not want bad press from "Western consumers". (Their main paying consumer base)
It is MUCH easier to either ignore the problem or mass ban "Asian" paid players. Less bad press that way.
Trust me fellas... this was a marketing/press departments decision not to go after the buyers based upon (like my analysis or not) bigotry in media relations.
Taikun
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Hilabana
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.24 20:14:00 -
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The ISK seller needs to be stop from using trial accounts for spamming other chat rooms but local and help !
thats the only thing that will help this flood and blocking is not going to work !
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Kasahara
KAOS.
KA0S Theory
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Posted - 2007.06.25 00:57:00 -
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yer just block trials from talking easy
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Disima Santet
Minmatar
Aziam
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Posted - 2007.06.25 02:04:00 -
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Legalizing ISK sales is not an option. It would turn EVE Online into one big giant macro mining/ratting enterprise. At this stage many people will simply quit the game and it might as well be renamed into Macro Online. People always propose to ban IPs from one country or another which is not a solution at all. But there are things that can be done to make ISK sales more difficult, decreasing the overall numbers of ISK sellers.
Cutting the number of buyers is one of such things. It is amazing how many people playing the game do not know that buying ISK is illegal. Only a very small percentage of players have actually read the EULA ever. That percentage is even smaller of the new players who actually read it before clicking "Agree" to start playing the game. Perhaps this information should be included as part of the tutorial.
Perhaps not allow trial accounts to join trade channels as the ISK sellers are paticularly annoying with their spam there. Trial accounts already have a number of limitation on them, so why not add this one on as well.
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