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Hilabana
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: Hilabana on 18/06/2007 15:00:32
It is time for isk sellers to be muted for we the player do not think paying for there trial account to spam our chat room is right!
If they are going to use a trial account just to spam chat room then we need a Fillter ingame so that they can no longer spam chat room other then the new player help and local chat room.
Plus us players having to petition every time there is a ISK seller and have a GM hunt it down take time from other player that may be having some real problems.
Is it right that the players that pay for the game and go by the rules must support the ISK seller ingame to spam us with there trash ?
How many support this ?
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
AFK
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:04:00 -
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So you want to punish everyone with a trial account for the wrong-doings of some?
And what's wrong with a GM having to ban an isk seller? Stopping him from talking in certain channels won't stop him advertising for iskselling, so a GM will have to deal with it anyway.
=AFK=
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:05:00 -
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I'll let CCP deal with it. Or you can just go on a manhunt and do whatever it is you can do to people who buy isk with real life money.
I'd rather see them put Space Whales into the game (see link in sig) than have everyone work on some way to monitor people in RL just to make sure they aren't giving RL money for that trade transaction.
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Put in space whales!
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Zeonos
Amarr
Fairtrade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:05:00 -
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simple. trails cant, send mail, invite people to chats, join any chat besides help and local. and give paying players an other to "Ignore trail accounts" maybe make a list so you can allow trails to talk to you.
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:07:00 -
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Stop ISK buyers, problem solved. |
NOFACE ALT
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:10:00 -
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I guess what you are asking for is for GM's to add a word filter and make the isk sellers website a filtered word. E.g someone saying "Buy isk at www.RandomIskSellingWebsite.com" to be replaced by "Buy isk at www.*********.com" automatically, thus forcing isk sellers to constandly buy new doamins.
But then again, that wont work much so the only way to stop isk buyers is to get people to stop buying it.
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Hilabana
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Shameless Avenger
Stop ISK buyers, problem solved.
And let the ISK Seller still spam chat rooms and have us players pay for them to do it ?
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Zeonos
Amarr
Fairtrade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:11:00 -
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w w w . R a n d o m I s k S e l l i n g W e b s i t e . c o m
there you go. isk seller problem solved. :)
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DarkAvenger DK
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:21:00 -
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i support you in this hilabana, and i think its about time something is done, by eighter banning there entire account / IP or whatever that can be done to stop this madness of random sellers for RL money, its not a right thing to do and especially not in a game like this.
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Mimi Ar'Skele
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:21:00 -
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Even in the old pre-history days of MUDs clients had the ability to filter out text. Not the servers, the clients. Instead of loading down the servers give the clients the ability to filter text.
Example:
/gag *noobseller.com*, and I never see the spammer again.
However, since that feature may take a bit of coding to get out to us, I'd also vote for a restricted chat ability for trials. Trials already have significant limitations placed on them to avoid non-stop contract scamming and many methods of ISK farming.
Limiting spamming ability to two channels (rookie help, newbie corp) will go a long way to solving the problem. Those channels are routinely patrolled by ISD members who can be empowered to take appropriate action when they see ISK sales spam, including the reminder to the chat room denizens that ISK buying will be punished.
GM time is limited. It should not be monopolized by having to deal with dozens of petitions re: ISK sellers an hour.
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Caios
Caldari
Unified Refining Federation
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Caios on 18/06/2007 16:01:36
If CCP managed to truly end rl money exchanges, they'd be the first MMO in the history of the industry to do so.
They aren't going anywhere, so long as the lazy bums with money to burn provide the sellers a market. Get used to it.
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Fink Angel
Caldari
The Merry Men
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:06:00 -
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CCP should legalise ISK selling, offering an in game service to safely put together ISK sellers and ISK buyers.
... slowly, slowly catchee monkey ...
Then open a can of WTF-PWNAGE-WHOOPASS-CONCORDOKKEN on them, ban all their accounts, their credit cards, their internet addresses, their MAC addresses.
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voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Caios
Edited by: Caios on 18/06/2007 16:01:36
If CCP managed to truly end rl money exchanges, they'd be the first MMO in the history of the industry to do so.
They aren't going anywhere, so long as the lazy bums with money to burn provide the sellers a market. Get used to it.
You can't stop it.
It's like trying to stop drug trafficing, or criminals.
You can however, activly hunt people that do it and punish them, which would serve as a deterrent.
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Zeonos
Amarr
Fairtrade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Zeonos on 18/06/2007 16:37:52
disallow chinese ip's... :) problem solved, they have their own client to play with. and ofc. my above statement.
one wow addon "spamsentry" worked wonders, never saw a gold seller after i got that addon, so eve should make something like that.
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Pimm
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:48:00 -
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ISK sellers donĘt bug me. But one thing that I find strange is that you can join the eve-radio channel which points to an outside web site that has advertisements for ISK sellers.
Make trial accounts unable to post URL's that point outside of the game. At least clickable ones.
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Eskalin
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:55:00 -
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people are going to buy isk. it's the nature of humans to seek an advantage ccp should look into making a clearinghouse for the isk farmers set isk prices and make some money off the lazy /inept player prohibition doesn't work there will always be a way around it. just normalize the transaction and people will be alot happier
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Reverend Void
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Zeonos
Edited by: Zeonos on 18/06/2007 16:37:52
disallow chinese ip's... :) problem solved, they have their own client to play with. and ofc. my above statement.
one wow addon "spamsentry" worked wonders, never saw a gold seller after i got that addon, so eve should make something like that.
But then you're assuming that everyone logging in from China is an isk seller, and that anyone in that IP range is even Chinese (they're not). Of course out of all the foreigners living in China there are very few who are also Eve players, but banning all China IPs would screw over some legit players.
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STLEM2
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:33:00 -
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Actually the real answer is what CCP are already doing, allow GTC>ISK, ban people selling/buying isk for $$$ directly. The way the 'offical' system is setup people can buy isk, but people can't 'sell' isk. Which means no business can use the official system to make an income. Now the only people using the unoffical system are idiots when they can get banned for saving a few $$$.... when they could have done the whole thing 'legitmately'. You really have to ***** down on the buyers pretty hard too, because they're the only ones CCP can effectively 'threaten'.
The spaming of the chat room is really the least of our worries though, you really have to worry about how they got that isk they're selling.
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Zingo Aleig
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Caios
They aren't going anywhere, so long as the lazy bums with money to burn provide the sellers a market. Get used to it.
What about GTC sellers? CCP does the same thing that isk sellers do in game... they just sell isk at much higher prices.
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Caios
Caldari
Unified Refining Federation
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.18 18:09:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Zeonos
Edited by: Zeonos on 18/06/2007 16:37:52
disallow chinese ip's... :) problem solved, they have their own client to play with. and ofc. my above statement.
Yes, implement blanket restrictions based on nationality due to the actions of a nonrepresentative number of violators and asshat western macro'ers who pretend to be Chinese (a common practice, I understand). That's bull****, even if there is a separate drinking fountain..er, server.
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Thommy
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Posted - 2007.06.18 18:37:00 -
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CCP is doing an special action tomorrow (tuesday) from 02:00 AM (eve time) till the day after (wednesday) 02:00 AM.
Every isk seller, farmer, spammer, ... (fill in blanks) will be muted for 24 hours.
Just a reminder to not forget the long skills for the deployment of revelations 2 tomorrow 
Guide to fix eve problems.
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Camilo Cienfuegos
EP0CH
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Posted - 2007.06.18 18:42:00 -
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Stop ISK buyers, problem solved.
That's right. /signed!
To those "demanding" CCP add filters, if you feel so strongly about ISK Sellers then get off your fat arse and do something about them yourself. Don't expect all your problems to be sorted out for you.
Filters can be bypassed, but if an ISK seller cannot make ISK or has noone willing to buy it, the problem goes away.
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Jeniveve Carter
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.06.18 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Jeniveve Carter on 18/06/2007 19:29:49
I was thinking about this why base the trial on days, instead base it on actual play time. Just long enough to complete the tutorial and do a few missions like 5 hours or so. This drastically cuts down the amount of time you get but for the real people who are trying the game and deciding to buy it might be enough.
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Mr Cleann
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:08:00 -
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I havent been spammed in ages. I thought CCP had finally done away with them .  Oh well. back to the drawing board. I think the only way to put a damper on them is to put limitations on new accounts. limit them to only the rookie channel or help channel. dont even allow them to use local channel. or if you do then perhapse add a toll charge for that channel. I think that limiting the areas where they can speak at would drasticly slow them down. You cut their lines of communication then they cant sell the isk. If someone dont like this idea, it is probably because they are selling isk. Thus making them apart of the problem and not the solution.
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Caios
Caldari
Unified Refining Federation
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: Caios on 18/06/2007 20:11:32
Edited by: Caios on 18/06/2007 20:11:11
Originally by: Mr Cleann
I havent been spammed in ages. I thought CCP had finally done away with them . Oh well. back to the drawing board. I think the only way to put a damper on them is to put limitations on new accounts. limit them to only the rookie channel or help channel. dont even allow them to use local channel. or if you do then perhapse add a toll charge for that channel. I think that limiting the areas where they can speak at would drasticly slow them down. You cut their lines of communication then they cant sell the isk. If someone dont like this idea, it is probably because they are selling isk. Thus making them apart of the problem and not the solution.
It would certainly lower the annoyance for older players, but think about it: the only people the spammers can realistically expect to actually win over with their spam are newer people who don't know better. Veterans either hate their guts, or are already regular buyers.
So it won't do anything in the long run. It'd be like trying to stop smoking by limiting cigarrete ads to schools and playgrounds.
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Ader
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Posted - 2007.06.19 01:40:00 -
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I support the issue against "isk" sellers in any game, never liked it, never will.
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Taikun Brunel
Gallente
Evolved Gamer
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.06.19 01:48:00 -
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CCP will not go after the ISK buyers because they do not want bad press from "Western consumers". (Their main paying consumer base)
It is MUCH easier to either ignore the problem or mass ban "Asian" paid players. Less bad press that way.
Trust me fellas... this was a marketing/press departments decision not to go after the buyers based upon (like my analysis or not) bigotry in media relations.
Taikun
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Hilabana
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.24 20:14:00 -
[28]
The ISK seller needs to be stop from using trial accounts for spamming other chat rooms but local and help !
thats the only thing that will help this flood and blocking is not going to work !
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Kasahara
KAOS.
KA0S Theory
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Posted - 2007.06.25 00:57:00 -
[29]
yer just block trials from talking easy
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Disima Santet
Minmatar
Aziam
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Posted - 2007.06.25 02:04:00 -
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Legalizing ISK sales is not an option. It would turn EVE Online into one big giant macro mining/ratting enterprise. At this stage many people will simply quit the game and it might as well be renamed into Macro Online. People always propose to ban IPs from one country or another which is not a solution at all. But there are things that can be done to make ISK sales more difficult, decreasing the overall numbers of ISK sellers.
Cutting the number of buyers is one of such things. It is amazing how many people playing the game do not know that buying ISK is illegal. Only a very small percentage of players have actually read the EULA ever. That percentage is even smaller of the new players who actually read it before clicking "Agree" to start playing the game. Perhaps this information should be included as part of the tutorial.
Perhaps not allow trial accounts to join trade channels as the ISK sellers are paticularly annoying with their spam there. Trial accounts already have a number of limitation on them, so why not add this one on as well.
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defiler
Mad Hermit
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Posted - 2007.06.25 02:20:00 -
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Personally I'd like to see an option to block trials from joining or at least talking in specific channels at the channel owners discretion. That would allow people to still coach their newbie friends in private channels, yet the bigger channels who are often victims of ISK sellers can ignore them if they feel it's a real problem. At least it's a step in the right direction...
Blocking local would be bad though, keep in mind that limitations like these can discourage legitimate trials from signing up... Perhaps there could be a "Ignore communications from trial accounts" check box in the escape screen, effectively blocking everything from local to evemail for those pilots who choose to use the option. Being part of the same non-NPC corp or adding them to the buddy list would ofc bypass this filter.
...just two ideas from your local madman.
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Sessho Seki
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Posted - 2007.06.25 14:57:00 -
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Let's call this as it is, because constantly glazing over it is merely seeing the problem and not admitting what it is...
CCP won't stop ISK sales in the near future because they have their hand in that cookie jar as well. Every GTC traded for ISK is nothing more than ISK buying, and anyone saying different can't do simple extrapolation. If real world money is in any way equated with the acquisition of ISK itself, that is selling ISK for cash.
The gross conflict of interests in this situation is painfully obvious, because while CCP will proudly say it's against EULA to buy ISK for cash, they wholesale endorse it so long as there is a piece of the action for them. Perhaps the warning should say:
"It is against EULA to purchase ISK through anyone but CCP's own channels"
Until that gargantuan hole in the defenses is closed, it will be impossible to stem or even slow the buying of ISK for cash, worse still, it will be completely impossible to do anything about it so long as there is a "legal" avenue of exchange right in front of CCP's own forces.
Making a "legal" way to ruin the game economy is hardly any better than the illegal way of ruining the game economy...
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
Riggers Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.06.25 15:24:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Sessho Seki
Let's call this as it is, because constantly glazing over it is merely seeing the problem and not admitting what it is...
CCP won't stop ISK sales in the near future because they have their hand in that cookie jar as well. Every GTC traded for ISK is nothing more than ISK buying, and anyone saying different can't do simple extrapolation. If real world money is in any way equated with the acquisition of ISK itself, that is selling ISK for cash.
The gross conflict of interests in this situation is painfully obvious, because while CCP will proudly say it's against EULA to buy ISK for cash, they wholesale endorse it so long as there is a piece of the action for them. Perhaps the warning should say:
"It is against EULA to purchase ISK through anyone but CCP's own channels"
Until that gargantuan hole in the defenses is closed, it will be impossible to stem or even slow the buying of ISK for cash, worse still, it will be completely impossible to do anything about it so long as there is a "legal" avenue of exchange right in front of CCP's own forces.
Making a "legal" way to ruin the game economy is hardly any better than the illegal way of ruining the game economy...
Since CCP legally own the electronic item called ISK, they have all the rights to do with it as they please. If someone is making money off your invention/creation, without your express permission, then they are stealing.
And personally I think its better that CCP gets the money than some sweatshop. Hopefully the money earned will be used for the betterment of EvE. If the sweatshop gets the money, EvE certainly won't get any improvements.
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Primnproper
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Posted - 2007.06.25 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: Primnproper on 25/06/2007 15:44:16
The real problem with isk sellers is that eventually all of the things put in to try and stop them will make trail accounts worthless and no one new will ever start playing the game ever again...
PS When buying Isk I only use the gtc system.
Edit...
And as for allowing sales being such a terrible thing and the end of everything, that must be why second life and project entropia are both based on real cash economies...  |
Namingway
Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters
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Posted - 2007.06.25 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Fink Angel
CCP should legalise ISK selling, offering an in game service to safely put together ISK sellers and ISK buyers.
... slowly, slowly catchee monkey ...
Then open a can of WTF-PWNAGE-WHOOPASS-CONCORDOKKEN on them, ban all their accounts, their credit cards, their internet addresses, their MAC addresses.
You can't legalize a service then ban anyone doing it while its legal. Doesn't work that way.
Even legalizing it for any period of time opena a can of legal worms CCP doesnt want to touch.
Originally by: CCP kieron
If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.
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Domitianvs
Amarr
Virginia Mining Institute
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Posted - 2007.06.25 16:33:00 -
[36]
Quote:
You can't legalize a service then ban anyone doing it while its legal. Doesn't work that way.
But you can legalize it for a while, find out who the high volume dealers are, then change the rules back again to make it illegal.
Then you know which accounts to watch. But then again CCP is not serious about getting rid of the ISK sellers or macrominers. They have shown absolutly no inititive to actually do something about them.
If they just went thru and banned all accounts that have been online for 23/7 for the past couple weeks then this problem would be cut down to an insignificant size.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.06.25 17:14:00 -
[37]
Originally by: voogru
Originally by: Caios
Edited by: Caios on 18/06/2007 16:01:36
If CCP managed to truly end rl money exchanges, they'd be the first MMO in the history of the industry to do so.
They aren't going anywhere, so long as the lazy bums with money to burn provide the sellers a market. Get used to it.
You can't stop it.
It's like trying to stop drug trafficing, or criminals.
You can however, activly hunt people that do it and punish them, which would serve as a deterrent.
Or they could simply make it legal and not waste all those GM man hours pretending to actually think they can deter these people. ISK sellers will not damage an economy as large as EVE's; the macro miners and mission-macro'ers have already done this, so there is nothing left to damage at this point.
The only people in here crying about the ISK sellers are people too poor to jump on the bandwagon with the buyers (I'm not one, I see no point in spending real cash on something as unimportant as a game). Yes, their EVEmails are annoying, I have more than a few in my inbox from these people, but there is a reason why CCP implement a block function. Block them, and continue playing as normal.
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Lucifer MorningStar
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Posted - 2007.06.25 17:37:00 -
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1) They need to make trial accounts have some way of registring with ccp before they are allowed to log on , currantly anyone can make a trial account and have a un-registed alt in minutes , by making them have a credit card a requiment it will cut out a vast propotion of these isk selling alts since they not going to be pulling hundreds of diffrant credit cards out to create alts
2) ccp should set "honey traps" for them , when one of these scumbags tries to sell some isk in a forum they should "buy" some from them and then watch what char has the isk and does the transfer ,
all these miners in barges don't sell the isk they transfer it to a refiner char who then gives the mins to the seller char
watch the seller and see who he trades with
wait a week or two then ban the lot of them
banning day old trial accounts is pointless when they got chars 6 months old in barges strip mining and lowering the prices of mins for everyone
3) something does need to be done about the isk selling spammers its fecking annoying to see jhgjhgjhj in chat asking us to buy his crap
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Bklyn 1
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Posted - 2007.06.25 18:06:00 -
[39]
lol, i love how the ebayers always rally to the defense of the isk farmers and sellers in these threads
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Lucifer MorningStar
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Posted - 2007.06.25 18:18:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Bklyn 1
lol, i love how the ebayers always rally to the defense of the isk farmers and sellers in these threads
thats another thing i looked at ebay and was shocked how many ads there are for "macros"
they should all be banned since they are blantely cheat packs for a product
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.06.25 18:26:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Lucifer MorningStar
Originally by: Bklyn 1
lol, i love how the ebayers always rally to the defense of the isk farmers and sellers in these threads
thats another thing i looked at ebay and was shocked how many ads there are for "macros"
they should all be banned since they are blantely cheat packs for a product
So, with all your infinite wisdom, do tell how CCP is suppose to tell whose selling what on eBay? Oh, thats right, you're a jackass. Thanks for wasting our time.
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Sessho Seki
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Posted - 2007.06.25 18:44:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Since CCP legally own the electronic item called ISK, they have all the rights to do with it as they please. If someone is making money off your invention/creation, without your express permission, then they are stealing.
And personally I think its better that CCP gets the money than some sweatshop. Hopefully the money earned will be used for the betterment of EvE. If the sweatshop gets the money, EvE certainly won't get any improvements.
Yeah, now I see the light... it's so much better when CCP sells out and panders to people who want to buy ISK rather than earning it... that's much better and totally different than the sweat shops
Blizzard could sell out too, lord knows WOW could make so much money off of Gold sales through official channels that they'd have to stop counting it and just weigh it like a Columbian drug cartel. Thankfully they have the spine to take the opposite and RIGHT stance to fight it, not side with it! GASP! SHOCK!
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.25 19:12:00 -
[43]
So what did you do last time you got one of these:
Quote:
2007.06.21 02:45
the cheapest ISK
is now avilable on XXX.XXXXXXXXX.XXX
100 Million ISK only worth $6.54.
remember to use the VIP card (number:10001,
password:12345) for 5%'s discount!
have fun in EVE!
Did you delete it? ignore it?
(Yes, available was misspelled in the evemail)
I reported it via a petition and was contacted about 3 hours later with a message that said that it would be investigated and the ticket was being closed...
I am not sure what steps were taken against the sender, if any, but I would like to think the account was banned... but I will only know if the same person who sent me the eve-mail logs in again...
If there is a better way to report it, feel free to let me know, but one thing is for sure... We, the players, should not be the ones punishing the sellers, we should report it and let CCP take care of it...
Blocking the Spammers is to ignore the problem, instead, report the contactą the more reports, the better chance CCP will do more to address the issue.
None of us is as dumb as all of us...
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.06.25 19:14:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Hamfast
So what did you do last time you got one of these:
Quote:
2007.06.21 02:45
the cheapest ISK
is now avilable on XXX.XXXXXXXXX.XXX
100 Million ISK only worth $6.54.
remember to use the VIP card (number:10001,
password:12345) for 5%'s discount!
have fun in EVE!
Did you delete it? ignore it?
(Yes, available was misspelled in the evemail)
I reported it via a petition and was contacted about 3 hours later with a message that said that it would be investigated and the ticket was being closed...
I am not sure what steps were taken against the sender, if any, but I would like to think the account was banned... but I will only know if the same person who sent me the eve-mail logs in again...
If there is a better way to report it, feel free to let me know, but one thing is for sure... We, the players, should not be the ones punishing the sellers, we should report it and let CCP take care of it...
Blocking the Spammers is to ignore the problem, instead, report the contactą the more reports, the better chance CCP will do more to address the issue.
Or CCP just filters all the reports into the trash and autoreplies with the same message? ISK sellers are inconsequential when you consider all the other problems that they deal with on a regular basis. Namely DS.
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Lucifer MorningStar
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Posted - 2007.06.25 19:38:00 -
[45]
So, with all your infinite wisdom, do tell how CCP is suppose to tell whose selling what on eBay? Oh, thats right, you're a jackass. Thanks for wasting our time.
For your info numbnuts ccp could ask ebay to remove all those ads and they would be gone in 5 mins
JACKASS
i guess your just upset we going to ruin your isk selling eh ?
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.06.25 19:52:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Lucifer MorningStar
So, with all your infinite wisdom, do tell how CCP is suppose to tell whose selling what on eBay? Oh, thats right, you're a jackass. Thanks for wasting our time.
For your info numbnuts ccp could ask ebay to remove all those ads and they would be gone in 5 mins
JACKASS
i guess your just upset we going to ruin your isk selling eh ?
No, I'm upset that "people" like you somehow think you know better than CCP. They pay lawyers to chase stuff like this all over internet to ensure their rights are protected. To think that you, as a useless customer, know better than them is laughable.
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.25 21:35:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: Lucifer MorningStar
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
... Stuff...
... More stuff ...
... Even more stuff...
In Essence, Lucifer Morningstar is correct... but it's not a 5 minute operation...
CCP's Legal staff can contact E-Bay's legal staff and after they go back and forth a while, hammer out what all CCP can and can not limit on e-bay having to do with Eve...
After which a legal agreement is hammered out that covers all they talked about and not 1 thing more... and once that is delivered and accepted... ebay will no longer allow the sale of the agreed upon items...
But god forbid something was misspelled...
The whole process could take months and may not end up with ebay pulling anything...
None of us is as dumb as all of us...
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.06.25 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Hamfast
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: Lucifer MorningStar
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
... Stuff...
... More stuff ...
... Even more stuff...
In Essence, Lucifer Morningstar is correct... but it's not a 5 minute operation...
CCP's Legal staff can contact E-Bay's legal staff and after they go back and forth a while, hammer out what all CCP can and can not limit on e-bay having to do with Eve...
After which a legal agreement is hammered out that covers all they talked about and not 1 thing more... and once that is delivered and accepted... ebay will no longer allow the sale of the agreed upon items...
But god forbid something was misspelled...
The whole process could take months and may not end up with ebay pulling anything...
CCP cannot, and will not, claim ownership on third party programs used on/with their client. They can ban users for using them, they can make it as hard as possible to use them, but they cannot claim ownership over them. It would be the same as Microsoft telling EA that only they can sell EA games at the MS store, and if they are sold anywhere else they are being sold in violation of their terms.
EA would tell them to go stick it.
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.25 22:06:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: Hamfast
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: Lucifer MorningStar
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
... Stuff...
... More stuff ...
... Even more stuff...
In Essence, Lucifer Morningstar is correct... but it's not a 5 minute operation...
CCP's Legal staff can contact E-Bay's legal staff and after they go back and forth a while, hammer out what all CCP can and can not limit on e-bay having to do with Eve...
After which a legal agreement is hammered out that covers all they talked about and not 1 thing more... and once that is delivered and accepted... ebay will no longer allow the sale of the agreed upon items...
But god forbid something was misspelled...
The whole process could take months and may not end up with ebay pulling anything...
CCP cannot, and will not, claim ownership on third party programs used on/with their client. They can ban users for using them, they can make it as hard as possible to use them, but they cannot claim ownership over them. It would be the same as Microsoft telling EA that only they can sell EA games at the MS store, and if they are sold anywhere else they are being sold in violation of their terms.
EA would tell them to go stick it.
Quite true...
But there are things that CCP can claim ownership of and thus stop their sale on ebay (this is the legal back and forth)... once that "ownership" is established, ebay will stop the sales... but not until it's established.
None of us is as dumb as all of us...
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.06.25 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Hamfist
Quite true...
But there are things that CCP can claim ownership of and thus stop their sale on ebay (this is the legal back and forth)... once that "ownership" is established, ebay will stop the sales... but not until it's established.
None of us is as dumb as all of us...
And CCP has already had discussions with eBay over selling characters, ISK and items. Thus, this discussion above and beyond macro'ing programs is moot.
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voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.25 22:36:00 -
[51]
Edited by: voogru on 25/06/2007 22:45:09
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: voogru
Originally by: Caios
Edited by: Caios on 18/06/2007 16:01:36
If CCP managed to truly end rl money exchanges, they'd be the first MMO in the history of the industry to do so.
They aren't going anywhere, so long as the lazy bums with money to burn provide the sellers a market. Get used to it.
You can't stop it.
It's like trying to stop drug trafficing, or criminals.
You can however, activly hunt people that do it and punish them, which would serve as a deterrent.
The only people in here crying about the ISK sellers are people too poor to jump on the bandwagon with the buyers (I'm not one, I see no point in spending real cash on something as unimportant as a game). Yes, their EVEmails are annoying, I have more than a few in my inbox from these people, but there is a reason why CCP implement a block function. Block them, and continue playing as normal.
You have any idea how much money I could make by selling ISK? Lots, I could probably make more money selling ISK than any job I could ever hope to get, and I don't even have to do anything to make ISK.
It would actually be good for my real life pocket book for CCP to allow ISK selling blatantly.
But no, I fight it. Why?
Blatantly allowing ISK would drive the price of ingame items to astronomical levels. Because the market will be flooded with ISK and ISK will be cheap to get, and people will want more ISK for everything so they have more ISK to sell.
Then try to play the game without buying ISK.
And you can't block ISK seller evemails in case you didn't know, by the time you block them they are banned.
I look forward to your next flame so I can shoot it down.
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2007.06.25 23:36:00 -
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How can CCP kill off ISK selling when they promote themselves via GTC trading? Best solution is for CCP to just sell ISK directly ingame. They can beat any price an ISK seller tries to use, the money goes back into our game win win. PS i play alot i never have problems bneing spammed by isk sellers i think you might be just extreme uptight. what is so hard about closing a chat window ignoring the chat or deleting the odd mail?
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voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.26 00:33:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
How can CCP kill off ISK selling when they promote themselves via GTC trading? Best solution is for CCP to just sell ISK directly ingame. They can beat any price an ISK seller tries to use, the money goes back into our game win win. PS i play alot i never have problems bneing spammed by isk sellers i think you might be just extreme uptight. what is so hard about closing a chat window ignoring the chat or deleting the odd mail?
Lets say they start the price at $20 for 1 billion ISK.
People able to buy 1 billion ISK for 20 bucks = buy lots of stuff.
Demand for products increases with ISK all over the place = Prices increase.
Price increases, people buy more ISK, demand for products increases.
Process repeats itself over and over, while ISK sellers would undercut CCP, CCP would need to undercut them back. ISK would become cheaper and cheaper to obtain and items would become more and more expensive ISK wise. Making it bloody impossible to play the game without spending real money to buy ISK.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.06.26 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: voogru
You have any idea how much money I could make by selling ISK? Lots, I could probably make more money selling ISK than any job I could ever hope to get, and I don't even have to do anything to make ISK.
It would actually be good for my real life pocket book for CCP to allow ISK selling blatantly.
But no, I fight it. Why?
Blatantly allowing ISK would drive the price of ingame items to astronomical levels. Because the market will be flooded with ISK and ISK will be cheap to get, and people will want more ISK for everything so they have more ISK to sell.
Then try to play the game without buying ISK.
And you can't block ISK seller evemails in case you didn't know, by the time you block them they are banned.
I look forward to your next flame so I can shoot it down.
Yes, yes, I know all the basic concepts of economics, thanks for wasting my time reiterating them. If you think the ISK selling is going to make the EVE economy overinflate, consider the following:
- Link to a very old sell order for a Minmatar Interceptor - Stiletto 2004.10.04
- Current price of a stiletto in Heimatar Region, at its cheapest, is 4,500,000 ISK.
This is after 3 years of macro mining, ISK farming, BPO conspiracy and milking, and several builds of EVE itself. So, tell me again how horrible this ISK selling is, because not even you can tell me straight faced that CCP has had NO ISK selling during these 3 years.
It is not as if people are paying CCP to "make more ISK". Its players (or macros I suppose) that sit in the game and grind like crazy. So the effort is being put it, its paying off for said individual, all they are doing is converting data into hard cash.
I don't know why you children get so freaked out by someone elses innovation, where you see cheating, I see pure genius. Too bad I like playing EVE too much to risk selling my ISK, because getting back some cash for my hard work would be amazingly satisfying for me.
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voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.26 01:57:00 -
[55]
Edited by: voogru on 26/06/2007 01:56:58
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Yes, yes, I know all the basic concepts of economics, thanks for wasting my time reiterating them. If you think the ISK selling is going to make the EVE economy overinflate, consider the following:
- Link to a very old sell order for a Minmatar Interceptor - Stiletto 2004.10.04
- Current price of a stiletto in Heimatar Region, at its cheapest, is 4,500,000 ISK.
This is after 3 years of macro mining, ISK farming, BPO conspiracy and milking, and several builds of EVE itself. So, tell me again how horrible this ISK selling is, because not even you can tell me straight faced that CCP has had NO ISK selling during these 3 years.
It is not as if people are paying CCP to "make more ISK". Its players (or macros I suppose) that sit in the game and grind like crazy. So the effort is being put it, its paying off for said individual, all they are doing is converting data into hard cash.
I don't know why you children get so freaked out by someone elses innovation, where you see cheating, I see pure genius. Too bad I like playing EVE too much to risk selling my ISK, because getting back some cash for my hard work would be amazingly satisfying for me.
Thats because it's illegal in the game to buy & sell ISK. There is no hyperinflation because only a fraction of the player base actually buys ISK. And when they do, they risk getting banned and a lot of players don't like that risk.
If CCP fully allowed it, there would instantly be trillions of ISK available for sale = Massive supply.
There would also be lots of demand for it because people wont want to grind = Massive demand.
Add these two together, everybody buys their way into EVE.
Then people who sell stuff will notice their items getting bought faster and they will adjust their prices accordingly (because more people with ISK who want to buy stuff), prices of minerals skyrocket, everything else follows.
Also, a T2 ship is a poor example of inflation.
My yacht, being a two of a kind ship, the highest offer has been 100B ISK. 3 years ago, the highest offer was 2 billion ISK.
3 years ago 1 billion ISK sold for about $1000 USD.
Now, it sells for under $100.
Why? More supply.
ISK Selling becomes legal = EVEN MORE SUPPLY.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.06.26 02:17:00 -
[56]
Originally by: voogru
...response...
- Illegal or not, people are still doing it, and if it were as catastropic as you have envisoned, there would be an inflated price on T2 interceptors. Above is proof that in fact, the price has gone down, countering your assumptions.
- Yes, their would be trillions of ISK for sale, but there would also be alot of poor characters working to make it back. So said buyers waste the billion or so ISK they bought because they have no concept of value or preservation due to lack of experience with expensive toys, and we actually find ourselves another ISK sink. As it stands, EVE needs another ISK sink.
- They can adjust prices as they wish, but they will soon outprice the people who buy consistently in lue of making a fast buck off the rich-stupid people who bought ISK. Said rich-stupid people will then go lose above mentioned item in a foolish manner, thus removing something of value from the market, negating inflation. NOTHING is MADE, only DESTROYED at the end of the day, Voogru.
- Pick any example you wish, the trend will be the same. Its actually harder to make ISK now than it was back at the release of EVE. Thus, the market has recessed due to revenue making constraints of the buyer, forcing the sellers to undercut one another trying to win the sale.
- Your example of your Yacht is a micro-example of how the game works as a whole; if CCP decided tomorrow to seed said yachts BPO on the market, its value would plummet. To consider a T2 ship unfit for this sort of example, but then to showcase a 2 of a kind ship (i.e. unique and irreplacement item) is foolish. I would have thought someone like you would be smarter than this. The demand to own said 2 of a kind ship exponentially exceeds that of its supply, thus making it a quote unquote special case.
ISK selling is not a production of ISK out of nothing, but rather a trading of hands where instead of keeping the medium of exchange within the limits of the game. The seller gets nothing tangible in return in terms of the game economy, and thus, the ISK loses value.
It would be no different than if were to buy a car off someone with Monopoly money; its unusable in the real world economy, but the seller is satisfied. So, all that has transpired is a transfer of good between two individuals; nothing has been added to the market, but the value of the car has been lost by the seller. He is now poorer, in terms of "real" money.
- You're right, there is way too much ISK in EVE as it is. However, you are incorrect in assuming that there will be MORE ISK if it were to be sold. The problem with EVE is not that all players are making ISK easier, its that insanely rich BPO owning Alliances are getting richer exponentially while the rest of the game slogs it out as per the usual. SELLING ISK would not only reduce the amount of ISK in the game (an exchange of goods within a market for those not within the market, thus literally removing value from an item) it may even level out the playing field for everyone.
Those who buy ISK have no concept of its value (as stated before, several times) and thus will be more prone to squandering and losing it through loss of destructible goods. (i.e. "Yay, I have this 20 billion ISK mothership, decked out with all the best T2 gear, I bet I could solo gatecamp!" <insert painful gank on said mothership>).
Etc., etc.
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Ebil Genius
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Posted - 2007.06.26 03:13:00 -
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IMHO isk selling is the fault of....CCP!
If there was no isk there would be, obviously, no isk to sell.
The rewards in Eve should be the pure self satisfaction that you are doing something wonderful. Also that you appreciate your world of immersion as you tap away at a keyboard with a surround making it look like the Millenium Falcon while you dress like Chewbacka, Darth Vader or even Servalan (sp?) (from Blake's Seven).
Money never reared its ugly head in Star Trek, I never once heard Captains Kirk or Jean Luc whine that they'd been battling the Kilingons for 4 days last month and they'd not been payed overtime or that they never recieved the 112,500 dollar pound bounty for killing that Trimble battleship.
Isk should be banned completely and you should be able to buy ships and crap from your own wallet of smugness that increases purely from taking part. I know if this was the case I would be richer in spirit than a pre-invention Hulk BPO owner in isk.
Alternatively, ignore them and don't buy isk and they'll sod off back to gold selling in WoW!
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MotherMoon
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Posted - 2007.06.26 03:18:00 -
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wow Derovius Vaden
looks you found someone to mule at
he's right by the way
you can't use examples or price then and now if isk selling was illegal during that period
if isk selling became legal
trillions of isk would be flushed into the system because there would be no reason to not buy 100 mil for 6 $
P.s. if you reply is anything about the cost of ISK
The past 4 years of EVE economy
or something about someone being an american _______ fill in
just don't reply
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voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.26 07:17:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
blah blah blah yap yap
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=437
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4. Evil conglomerates are formed and prices go up!
As you probably realize by now, ISK sellers go to great lengths to get their hands on ISK. Recently we busted a blueprint conglomerate that was set up just to skim ISK off the top. That extra ISK was then sold for real life currency. The players involved bought a large number of expensive blueprints over a long period of time with the purpose of monopolizing the market on certain items. They attempted to drive prices as high as possible so that they could skim more money off the top and sell more ISK on Ebay. This went on for some time and I am sure that a large number of the playerbase unknowingly felt the effect of this when buying ships and modules.
This conglomerate was found out and brought down by your friendly GMs and all those involved given a lifelong vacation from EVE. Their precious pile of blueprints will be reseeded to lucky players through the blueprint lottery. This is a perfect example of how those willing to buy ISK for real money can directly cause inflation and can end up costing the rest of the playerbase a lot of ISK.
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Ivan Kirilenkov
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.06.26 07:25:00 -
[60]
I'm going to allow this thread to continue, but please keep it on a civil level, and discuss it without resorting to name-calling and/or other personal attacks. Also, keep generalizations about ethnic groups out of it.
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Disco Flint
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.26 07:43:00 -
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Buying ISK, through whatever means, is nothing else but cheating. You gain yourself an unfair advantage through means that don't involve EVE, but rather your real life wallet, your job, your wealth.
Think of it as buying 100 extra health in Quake or UT during a multiplayer match. Because you spend so much time for your job and your family and your crying kids you don't have as much time playing and training and as such should have a possibility to compensate. Or whatever.
People who buy ISK have a much easier time facing the consequences of losing a ship, they don't have to grind their money back or try to survive to make more booty with their current ship. Or big investments, like a battleship BPO, maybe a T2 BPO, a POS, a Dread or Carrier, things that would usually require either a seasoned player with a lot of grinding or a group of people, are suddenly in reach of those who demand instant gratification.
You lose your precious carrier in a war? Big blow for your corp, people are thinking about leaving and more pirates drool into your lowsec systems? No worries, here's the CC, help is but a transaction away!
No, it should never work like this, in any game. Whether EVE is a harsh and unfair game with sometimes unfair advantages and disadvantages - it's the game. Had I started earlier / picked another race / had known earlier about money making plexes I could have enjoyed the same advantages.
But out of game money and assets should never influence the game in any damn way.
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Primnproper
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Posted - 2007.06.26 08:46:00 -
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1) I am NOT an ebayer.
2) I do buy isk occasionally as my play time is limited, but as people have said why should out of game advantages like being able to play more than someone else give you an in game advantage 
3) Originally by: Lucifer MorningStar
1) They need to make trial accounts have some way of registring with ccp before they are allowed to log on , currantly anyone can make a trial account and have a un-registed alt in minutes , by making them have a credit card a requiment it will cut out a vast propotion of these isk selling alts since they not going to be pulling hundreds of diffrant credit cards out to create alts
Yet another great way to stop new players getting into the game because your trying to hurt isk farmers...
4) Originally by: voogru
Blatantly allowing ISK would drive the price of ingame items to astronomical levels. Because the market will be flooded with ISK and ISK will be cheap to get, and people will want more ISK for everything so they have more ISK to sell.
How would allowing players who already have isk to sell that isk to other player create inflation, there would be no more isk in the system, therefore there would be no inflation caused
5) If the noob corp channel and evemail spam is as bad as all that then ccp should set up a system to flag up any posible isk selling posts for gm attention, maybe set one of the forum mods on it they seem to be very good at *****ing down on stuff on the forums...
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The Snowman
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.06.26 10:11:00 -
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I cant make enough ISK to try PvP, much as I would love to!
I cant go into low sec due to pirates, I cant go to 0.0 due to gate camps and even better pvp'ers. 0.0 corps wont let me in (and no, I dont want to join that goony corp).. If it wasnt for the fact that buying ISK is not alowed, so damn controversial and the fact that I cant afford it, then I definatly WOULD buy ISK!
CCP Should consider selling ISK themselves, legally. It would stop the black-market, gain extra income and let those who want to play the game as they want to.
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Ivan Kirilenkov
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.06.26 10:35:00 -
[64]
Just to reiterate; if you see anyone advertising isk-selling for real money; please do not hestitate to petition it to the GMs if it's in-game, or email us about it if it's on the forums, and it will be dealt with.
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Khonsu
Rest home for Tired Seadogs
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Posted - 2007.06.26 10:39:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Primnproper
How would allowing players who already have isk to sell that isk to other player create inflation, there would be no more isk in the system, therefore there would be no inflation caused
Just wanted to comment on this one. The fact that people are willing to pay for ISK creates a market (obviously). The presence of this market makes the producers of ISK go out and produce ISK to fill the demand - more ISK than they would normally produce. In other words, an ISK market leads to more ISK being in-game than if ISK selling didn't exist. We already see this, it's not like the ISK farmers would go and farm the same amount of ISK if they didn't get paid for it.
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Primnproper
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Posted - 2007.06.26 10:46:00 -
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Edited by: Primnproper on 26/06/2007 10:47:09
Originally by: Khonsu
Originally by: Primnproper
How would allowing players who already have isk to sell that isk to other player create inflation, there would be no more isk in the system, therefore there would be no inflation caused
Just wanted to comment on this one. The fact that people are willing to pay for ISK creates a market (obviously). The presence of this market makes the producers of ISK go out and produce ISK to fill the demand - more ISK than they would normally produce. In other words, an ISK market leads to more ISK being in-game than if ISK selling didn't exist. We already see this, it's not like the ISK farmers would go and farm the same amount of ISK if they didn't get paid for it.
Thats a fair point to be honest, but as the only legit way to trade isk is via gtc's the market pressure caused by legal trades is fairly small (unless you have a million accounts or anything)
Originally by: "The Snowman"
I cant make enough ISK to try PvP, much as I would love to!
I cant go into low sec due to pirates, I cant go to 0.0 due to gate camps and even better pvp'ers. 0.0 corps wont let me in (and no, I dont want to join that goony corp).. If it wasnt for the fact that buying ISK is not alowed, so damn controversial and the fact that I cant afford it, then I definatly WOULD buy ISK!
CCP Should consider selling ISK themselves, legally. It would stop the black-market, gain extra income and let those who want to play the game as they want to.
Surely you can afford a t1 frig with guns, a rep, web and scram.. and if not evemail me and i'll send you a mil.... |
Sinnead Bachmann
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Posted - 2007.06.26 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: voogru
You can however, activly hunt people that do it and punish them, which would serve as a deterrent.
Since that has worked so well in the real world
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Juni Starfire
Australia and New Zealand Eve Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.26 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Shameless Avenger
Stop ISK buyers, problem solved.
Pure genius...
I mean that strategy has worked so well in the so called "war on drugs" in RL, how can it possibly fail here.....
ISK trading, just like currency trading in all MMO's is a problem of poor design. The people that had the skill and intelligence to create these universes have the skill and intelligence to secure them. The only thing missing is the will.
This old chestnut has been around since like before Ultima Online and still you hear these noobish arguments that its somehow the fault of the sellers.... who are just pure opportunists exploiting poor design or the buyers who are just pure opportunists exploiting poor design and disposable RL income.
Get a clue FFS people....
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Malcanis
High4Life
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.26 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lisento Slaven
I'll let CCP deal with it. Or you can just go on a manhunt and do whatever it is you can do to people who buy isk with real life money.
I'd rather see them put Space Whales into the game (see link in sig) than have everyone work on some way to monitor people in RL just to make sure they aren't giving RL money for that trade transaction.
SPACE WHALES NOW!
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Khonsu
Rest home for Tired Seadogs
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Posted - 2007.06.26 12:15:00 -
[70]
Make all items and ISK Soulbound!
Problem solved! 
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MotherMoon
Minmatar
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.26 15:23:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Khonsu
Make all items and ISK Soulbound!
Problem solved!
Sandbox
Your asking for a fix but a hurtful one that makes that sandbox wet and clumpy
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Hilabana
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.26 15:30:00 -
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Spamming is the abuse of electronic messaging systems to indiscriminately send unsolicited bulk messages.
The costs, such as lost productivity and fraud, are borne by the public and ccp.
which have been forced to add extra capacity to cope with the deluge.
UK laws against spam
http://www.helium.com/tm/334290/spamming-effect-recently-though
Spam Laws USA
http://www.spamlaws.com/state/index.shtml
There are other ways to stop spammers this is to report them to the internet provider they use !
You as a paying subscriber has the right to ask that CCP takes some form of stand now on stopping this!
After all you are the true paying customer not the ISK seller in this case!
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voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.26 15:50:00 -
[73]
Originally by: The Snowman
I cant make enough ISK to try PvP, much as I would love to!
I cant go into low sec due to pirates, I cant go to 0.0 due to gate camps and even better pvp'ers. 0.0 corps wont let me in (and no, I dont want to join that goony corp).. If it wasnt for the fact that buying ISK is not alowed, so damn controversial and the fact that I cant afford it, then I definatly WOULD buy ISK!
CCP Should consider selling ISK themselves, legally. It would stop the black-market, gain extra income and let those who want to play the game as they want to.
If ISK selling became the norm, you wouldnt be able to make as much ISK to try to PVP anyway.
Oh, unless you bought ISK.
The chinese server is a prime example of this, you either buy ISK from the farmer alliances, or you quit because you can't buy anything.
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Hilabana
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.26 15:59:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Hilabana on 26/06/2007 15:59:36
Originally by: voogru
Originally by: The Snowman
I cant make enough ISK to try PvP, much as I would love to!
I cant go into low sec due to pirates, I cant go to 0.0 due to gate camps and even better pvp'ers. 0.0 corps wont let me in (and no, I dont want to join that goony corp).. If it wasnt for the fact that buying ISK is not alowed, so damn controversial and the fact that I cant afford it, then I definatly WOULD buy ISK!
CCP Should consider selling ISK themselves, legally. It would stop the black-market, gain extra income and let those who want to play the game as they want to.
If ISK selling became the norm, you wouldnt be able to make as much ISK to try to PVP anyway.
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And when all the players stop playing eve do to all the spammers and there are just ISK spammers left in the game they can buy and sell ISK from each other!
What a Idiot thing for some one to say !
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2007.06.26 18:06:00 -
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Lets say they start the price at $20 for 1 billion ISK.
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People able to buy 1 billion ISK for 20 bucks = buy lots of stuff.
Demand for products increases with ISK all over the place = Prices increase.
Price increases, people buy more ISK, demand for products increases.
Process repeats itself over and over, while ISK sellers would undercut CCP, CCP would need to undercut them back. ISK would become cheaper and cheaper to obtain and items would become more and more expensive ISK wise. Making it bloody impossible to play the game without spending real money to buy ISK.
It is a nice theory you have but you forgot 1 thing, ISK is already being sold (macro miners and ratters been doing it for not months but YEARS), and CCP infact encourages it provided you use their gtc as the means of purchase. So if we want to beleive your idea isk selling would destroy the economy does it matter since the economy is already destroyed according to you.
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Lord Carthage
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Posted - 2007.11.18 21:21:00 -
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Heres how I look at it.
 GTC for ISK is OK, CCP still their money and the GTC seller gets their ISK and the buy gets to play a bit longer. This is OK with me.
 ISK Seller offering service to the populous to get them to buy isk for $$$. And with everyones annoyance in the channels we have the adverts that come up from characters from trial accounts. In my eyes (and probably to many of you) this is a form of "cheating". For those people who fall into the gaze of the ISK seller and buys ISK deserves everything they get.
Final Analysis: Trial accounts should have restricted access to chat channels (like with restricted access to skills) until they start paying a subscription or use timecards. This should get rid of most of the ISK sellers advertising we find on the trade and eve radio channels. ISK sellers really bug me big time.
Sorry if this seems like a rant against ISK sellers.
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Tivookz
Caldari
The Singularity Amalgamation
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.11.18 21:43:00 -
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The solution is simple.
Don't by isk for real life money EVER and they will go away automatically.
The problem lies with us gentlemen.
Tiv
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syphurous
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.11.18 22:58:00 -
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The solution is simple, stop necroing threads.
Can a mod lock this please ?
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Malcanis
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.18 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
So you want to punish everyone with a trial account for the wrong-doings of some?
And what's wrong with a GM having to ban an isk seller? Stopping him from talking in certain channels won't stop him advertising for iskselling, so a GM will have to deal with it anyway.
What's the punishment? Just give us the option to auto-ignore trial accounts not in our addressbook.
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Eulalinda
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.18 23:51:00 -
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Good point. I'm tired of all the spam too. In Jita I get around 5-15 spam per week.
Why can't CCP just block all emails with the URL of the spammers?? Seems easy enough.
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Drone Whisperer
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Posted - 2007.11.19 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Zeonos
simple. trails cant, send mail, invite people to chats, join any chat besides help and local. and give paying players an other to "Ignore trail accounts" maybe make a list so you can allow trails to talk to you.
I like the "Ignore Trial Accounts" option :)
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.11.19 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Eulalinda
Good point. I'm tired of all the spam too. In Jita I get around 5-15 spam per week.
Why can't CCP just block all emails with the URL of the spammers?? Seems easy enough.
You would think so, but it's harder than it seems. For example, they could use variations of the standard URL to try and fool filters:
goldsellers.com
www.GOLDsellers.com
WWW GOLD SELLERS DOT COM
www. go0ldse3lle3rs.com and remove the numbers
It's actually very hard for filters to catch all the conceptual ways to convey the fact that you can purchase ISK at some web site, sadly.
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Saprob
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Posted - 2007.11.21 21:56:00 -
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Despite all the clever posts that claim just do this or that and whamo problem solved there is no simple solution. When there is money to be made human creativity will find a way to make it.
However I think I nice step in the right direction may be to have a crime stoppers type program setup. You give information that results in the "apprehension" of an ISK buyer or seller you get a cut of the confiscated ISK.
May be half baked but I think it could work.
You might even be able to setup some kind of volunteer program to reduce the load on the GM's.
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Illyrinia
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.21 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Shameless Avenger
Stop ISK buyers, problem solved.
wont happen. what needs to be done is a asian server and a european server (that the us connects to) this would split the 2 cultures-
asian countries are the major supplier of RMT (real money trading). Limiting the ability for these countries to connect to the major population (europe/us and most major english countries) im not sure how many players from asia play.
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