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DarkElf
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.20 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: n0thing
Originally by: tiller
You tell me to grow up when you have now posted two flames into a thread that you don't approve of in order to derail.
Well done, you must be proud.
Yep, thats right, I do not approve, therefore, next time, mail me a thread name and content for approval.
As for flames, I just pointed out, that K:D is nothing but a shooter games term that doesnt apply to EVE where loss costs you, whereas the loss in shooter games that that term came from, doesnt cost you anything but few mins.
Oh and btw, if you so worried about my k/d, I can assure you, its one of the best for the pilots of my age. For refference, go to Jita and ask Chuck Norris, he knows for sure.
i disagree comletely with what you're saying. you seem to be saying that just because someone killed a titan it means they are a better pvp'er than someone who killed 1000 cruisers.
Yes kill to death ratio is not the ultimate way to show how 'good' at pvp you are but it's probably 1 of the best stats available for it. Plus this thread has actually proved quite interesting. Can't hlep thinking if someone who was a little more liked within c&p had posted it then flames would have been much lower.
DE
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n0thing
omen. D-L
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Posted - 2007.06.20 13:55:00 -
[122]
Well, the idea I think was also that K:D somehow points out the general achievements as of corp.
As for 1000 cruisers, if you killed them sitting on gate in officer SBed Moros, that wont even count for one, and if you killed say 50 cruisers but done it in lets say...ugh...frig? Then the latter person is x100 better then the first one. That was the whole point i was trying to make.
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DarkElf
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.20 14:00:00 -
[123]
Originally by: n0thing Well, the idea I think was also that K:D somehow points out the general achievements as of corp.
As for 1000 cruisers, if you killed them sitting on gate in officer SBed Moros, that wont even count for one, and if you killed say 50 cruisers but done it in lets say...ugh...frig? Then the latter person is x100 better then the first one. That was the whole point i was trying to make.
I agree that it doesn't reflect that much in terms of quality yeah because as u say it could be smartbombing frigs in a moros all day but i think isk value like you suggested has zero reflection on actual pvp skill. Still, to get ratios like have been quoted here from some ppl is still impressive no matter how they got kills.
Altho ppl also have to look at logged on time. If i was nearly as active as i have been at times then my kills would naturally be much higher.
DE
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Dr Slice
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.06.20 14:29:00 -
[124]
lol at the amount of jealousy in this thread!!
I guess flaming is sort of like therapy for you guys. Afterwards, you probably feel better, but that feeling is only temporary because it cannot compensate for your lack of stats or ingame achievements lol
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Tuko kun
Gallente Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.20 15:52:00 -
[125]
having a high K/D ration is no way to see how good or bad someone is at pvp. after all a 1day old noob could join a big pirate corp, sit in a gate camp allday with his "uber" corp mates and get on a few dozen killmails in his rookie ship. does that make him a good pvper?
no it doesnt.
a good pvper is someone that doesnt rely on massivly outnumbering his opponent or being in a ship his target cant deal with. a good pvper is someone that uses his knowledge of the game, his setups and his skills to beat his opponent.
people like miz n tiller with huge a kill/death ration are good pirates. they do the job they want to do well.. doesnt make them good a pvp. Chuck Norris played the eve beta. But when he fit a roundhouse kick to his ibis it caused the collapse of the eve gate, the minmatar to revolt, the jove to go into excile and drones turned stupid. |

DarkElf
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.20 15:57:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Tuko kun
people like miz n tiller with huge a kill/death ration are good pirates. they do the job they want to do well.. doesnt make them good a pvp.
That's a very good point actually. the ratio is an excellent judge of how good a pirate somebody is but not how good a pvp'er they are.
DE
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tiller
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.06.20 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 20/06/2007 15:58:48
Originally by: Tuko kun having a high K/D ration is no way to see how good or bad someone is at pvp. after all a 1day old noob could join a big pirate corp, sit in a gate camp allday with his "uber" corp mates and get on a few dozen killmails in his rookie ship. does that make him a good pvper?
no it doesnt.
a good pvper is someone that doesnt rely on massivly outnumbering his opponent or being in a ship his target cant deal with. a good pvper is someone that uses his knowledge of the game, his setups and his skills to beat his opponent.
people like miz n tiller with huge a kill/death ration are good pirates. they do the job they want to do well.. doesnt make them good a pvp.
I didn't say I'm good at PVP, I said im just 'UBER', a term that transends something as simple as pure PVP and embraces the entire game.
This is something that is beyond the reach of 99% of the eve population (and is something they will obviously find annoying, ie - you)
Joking aside the only way to 'pay the bills' killing is not to be killed yourself, hence K/D ratio is EVERYTHING
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Omae Gaw'd
Gallente VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2007.06.20 16:43:00 -
[128]
Because I always wanted to be in a Tiller thread <3. 1038 kills, 43 losses, 24.14:1 ratio, bout a year of piracy, not much gatecamping unfortunately and a good bit of ransoms.
269 / 5 Battlecruiser 146 / 4 Battleship 150 / 3 Capsule 2 / 0 Carrier 218 / 18 Cruiser 7 / 0 Destroyer 7 / 0 Elite Battlecruiser 30 / 0 Elite Cruiser 1 / 0 Elite Destroyer 42 / 3 Elite Frigate 1 / 0 Elite Industrial 48 / 7 Frigate 88 / 0 Industrial 15 / 0 Mining Barge 3 / 0 Rookie ship 11 / 3 Shuttle
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n0thing
omen. D-L
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Posted - 2007.06.20 16:48:00 -
[129]
Originally by: DarkElf
Originally by: Tuko kun
people like miz n tiller with huge a kill/death ration are good pirates. they do the job they want to do well.. doesnt make them good a pvp.
That's a very good point actually. the ratio is an excellent judge of how good a pirate somebody is but not how good a pvp'er they are.
DE
Yep, but tiller and the like, are rather bragging about how k/d ratio makes them sucessfull in EVE. And that what amuses me big time.
I mean, a corp that was created with a goal to be best pirate corp, assembled a huge amount of members working towards quantity rather then intergrity/dedication/quality. And, yet, they still claim only Amamake and maybe 1-2 more next door systems.
Perharps no resources to expand over at least part of low-sec region? Aridia? Or is there too much resistance and no massive k/d ratios can be achieved? ---
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tiller
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.06.20 17:06:00 -
[130]
Originally by: n0thing
Originally by: DarkElf
Originally by: Tuko kun
people like miz n tiller with huge a kill/death ration are good pirates. they do the job they want to do well.. doesnt make them good a pvp.
That's a very good point actually. the ratio is an excellent judge of how good a pirate somebody is but not how good a pvp'er they are.
DE
Yep, but tiller and the like, are rather bragging about how k/d ratio makes them sucessfull in EVE. And that what amuses me big time.
I mean, a corp that was created with a goal to be best pirate corp, assembled a huge amount of members working towards quantity rather then intergrity/dedication/quality. And, yet, they still claim only Amamake and maybe 1-2 more next door systems.
Perharps no resources to expand over at least part of low-sec region? Aridia? Or is there too much resistance and no massive k/d ratios can be achieved?
You don't have to post that I'm bragging, I said 'bragging rights' were being claimed...
....lol @ claiming space. Claiming space is for carebears and alliances, I claim nothing except the lives of those who are weaker than myself.
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CampyloBacter
Gallente Chlamydia Online
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Posted - 2007.06.20 18:23:00 -
[131]
Edited by: CampyloBacter on 20/06/2007 18:22:41
Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 19/06/2007 15:35:19
Originally by: Ifni Since I am bored at work, I've traversed my way across the BOB, FZN, DNA and AGEN kill lists, as well as referencing this.
I have roughly 5013 kills and 360 losses, of which 169 are Elite Frigates (Interceptors, Covert Ops, Assault Frigates). Further more, at least 70 of these losses are Tech 1 frigates.
In raw numbers my ratio is approximately 14.9:1. Make of this what you will.
Your crap 
Seriously though m8, thats alot of PVP...nice 1
Yes he's nearly as bad as your grammar.
Oh BTW
Kills 1 : Losses 0
Ratio................
Infinity!!!!!!
I really should forget succeeding in RL and try harder at bigging myself up in a computer game! I've got my priorities all wrong!!!!!
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Lord Zoran
Caldari House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.06.20 18:36:00 -
[132]
Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 19/06/2007 15:32:36
Originally by: Lord Zoran *snip* Reference to snipped post -TheDagda ([email protected])
Nice flame, tbh your not even very good at that. So I guess it's lose (you couldn't post any stats) and lose (you flamed me poorly)
Erm gratz 
btw, you are right, it is a 'im uber' thread. Re-read it, it's quite clear.
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Kermis
Caldari The Ankou
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Posted - 2007.06.20 18:39:00 -
[133]
I suck, it's maybe something like 2:1 or 1,5:1. I die way too often! :P
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Darcy Killar
Gallente Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.20 20:04:00 -
[134]
Ok! Who is ready for mine!!! -sniker-
Losses 1.2 : 1 Kills
Mind you this is with a grand total of 3 pods and 3 shuttles (I have corp mates to kill those for me) I havenĘt been as active the past 2 months so these are life time across three different chars. Oh and totals as of this moment (most from about 2 months ago with only 15-30 in the last 8 weeks or so) 106 kills 132 losses.
Kills:
AF: 9 BC: 13 BS: 4 Pod: 3 CoOps: 1 Cruiser: 22 Dessy: 3 Frigate: 37 HAC: 1 Indy: 7 Inty: 3 Barge: 6 Recon: 1 Shuttle: 3 Losses:
AF: 1 BC: 17 BS: 4 Pod: 6 CoOps: 0 Cruiser: 12 Dessy: 15 Frigate: 42 HAC: 0 Indy: 0 Inty: 0 Barge: 0 Recon: 0 Shuttle: 0
Numbers may be off due to a combination of me being an idiot and odd KB glitches. Also number of losses is commonly due to me being mildly insane.
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Lizhia
Gallente Macabre Votum INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.20 20:15:00 -
[135]
2,8 : 1
Careful now, or you might be the one who brings it up to 3 : 1!!! Waffles!
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clone 1
Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2007.06.20 20:30:00 -
[136]
Lol at the flames in this thread, pity the bus is so quiet these days, I miss the hate.
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.20 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nazdarovie so 41% of your kills are either pods or shuttles and your here bragging about it ? LOLS
In some cases pods are worth far more than the ships they fly, no? Pity we will never know how many implants (skillpoints? ) he has destroyed.
Last time I checked was about 200:1 or something (I'm picky with my fights), however I don't play much anymore so that number has changed.
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.20 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Darcy Killar Ok! Who is ready for mine!!! -sniker-
Losses 1.2 : 1 Kills
Mind you this is with a grand total of 3 pods and 3 shuttles (I have corp mates to kill those for me) I havenĘt been as active the past 2 months so these are life time across three different chars. Oh and totals as of this moment (most from about 2 months ago with only 15-30 in the last 8 weeks or so) 106 kills 132 losses.
Kills:
AF: 9 BC: 13 BS: 4 Pod: 3 CoOps: 1 Cruiser: 22 Dessy: 3 Frigate: 37 HAC: 1 Indy: 7 Inty: 3 Barge: 6 Recon: 1 Shuttle: 3 Losses:
AF: 1 BC: 17 BS: 4 Pod: 6 CoOps: 0 Cruiser: 12 Dessy: 15 Frigate: 42 HAC: 0 Indy: 0 Inty: 0 Barge: 0 Recon: 0 Shuttle: 0
Numbers may be off due to a combination of me being an idiot and odd KB glitches. Also number of losses is commonly due to me being mildly insane.
Even though you suck (noob any chance?), you have my respect for being honest. 
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Acid Pimp
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Posted - 2007.06.20 22:40:00 -
[139]
The only time Ive posted a loss is on Atuf kb when I was there, I got lazy after that.
127:0
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Zaethiel
Murder-Death-Kill Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.20 23:47:00 -
[140]
Edited by: Zaethiel on 20/06/2007 23:47:32 3206 kills, 9 losses, 356.22:1 ratio, 74.21 billion ISK inflicted in damage 1559 Solo kills
Kills / Losses by class 170 / 1 Battlecruiser 199 / 4 Battleship 1155 / 0 Capsule 4 / 0 Carrier 344 / 0 Cruiser 112 / 0 Destroyer 13 / 0 Elite Battlecruiser 27 / 3 Elite Cruiser 7 / 0 Elite Destroyer
69 / 1 Elite Frigate 16 / 0 Elite Industrial 1 / 0 Elite Mining Barge 6 / 0 Freighter 373 / 0 Frigate 214 / 0 Industrial 18 / 0 Mining Barge 209 / 0 Rookie ship 269 / 0 Shuttle _________________________________________
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tiller
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.06.21 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: Zaethiel Edited by: Zaethiel on 20/06/2007 23:47:32 3206 kills, 9 losses, 356.22:1 ratio, 74.21 billion ISK inflicted in damage 1559 Solo kills
Dam nice man   
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Darcy Killar
Gallente Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kaeten Even though you suck (noob any chance?), you have my respect for being honest. 
Well first off I am insane and will take a BC or lower against almost any odds. If there is a 2-5% chance of me winning I commonly take it. Second a large amount of my losses are against Merc corps contracted against either me, or more commonly my corporation. Yeah we **** off a lot of people. Got one merc corp on us now, I believe itĘs the 4th or 5th by this point. I am just waiting for them to give me the terms of our surrender so I can tell them to get bent. (DKI has had 20 wars, have fought to the endąor until they bore us)
Its hard to have a good kill to death ratio when there are people contracted to kill me AND I am suicidal!
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Mangold
Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:48:00 -
[143]
Congrats.
However, K/D ratio isn't everything.
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tiller
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.06.21 14:03:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 21/06/2007 14:11:59
Originally by: Mangold Congrats.
However, K/D ratio isn't everything.
Depends how you play the game...those that argue against it generally blow up lots with very little in the way of kills. Very strange, must be a coincidence.
None of my losses this time were due to me floating in space, logged out and eating dinner mangold
edit: another way of looking at it, say you gonna get on a plane. Would flight / crash ratio of the pilot be of interest to you before you got on ?
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Narciss Sevar
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:59:00 -
[145]
2416/172 total. The last 7 weeks is 447/20. I wish i could get better details from our boards to split it up, i can say i have 477 bs kills which is more than any other type of kill i have.  *snip* Signature breaks the Forum Rules. If you have questions email us with a link to your signature -Eldo ([email protected]) |

Jarah Tatarin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:34:00 -
[146]
Well, since I've been a pirate for 1 day, and it was my first PVP experience;
Ratio: 2:0
Yarr..?
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Mr Linderman
Selective Extinction
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:46:00 -
[147]
Edited by: Mr Linderman on 21/06/2007 19:45:53 New Character so not much to show, also i prefer to ransom if the opportunity shows its self.
Kills:5 Real kills:3 Losses:6 Damage done (ISK):1016M Damage received (ISK):6M Efficiency:+99.41%
Not sure but around 10 Cruiser ransoms and 4 AF ransoms so far as well as one frig ransom.
Mr L
"In conflict, straightforward actions generally lead to engagement, surprising actions generally lead to victory." - Sun Tzu
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Centurion1
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Posted - 2007.06.22 00:20:00 -
[148]
2:1
popped a carcal and some newb mining fig and got wtfpwned by a cov ops with cruise missles.
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Kalek Astroth
Amarr A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
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Posted - 2007.06.22 01:53:00 -
[149]
me stops to train jump drive calibration skill
i ' ll use tiller e peen as a bridge instead
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Logi3
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.22 12:49:00 -
[150]
My record whilst beening in VETO 113:1 - But in even generaly, god knows :)
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