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murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.20 01:06:00 - [1] Thank you for adding another 60-80m ISK to my Blasterthron setup. It wasn't enough that you had to add 6 CPU per module to the T2 EANM. Now you had to add another 5 CPU to all the faction EANM, so that it takes TWO Shadow Serp EANM or TS EANM or w/e just to get back to the same CPU amount, instead of just one (one SS EANM @ 25, one T2 EANM @36 = net gain of 1 CPU, which was still under the total CPU of the ship by 1 CPU). The prices of faction EANMs have skyrocketed in the last week due to the EANM nerf. Now the demand will be even higher, and prices will climb further, as people will be forced to use two faction EANMs in place of one, just to get by. Of course, this only affects a very small number of ships, so who cares right? And don't give me that 'just fit 3x hardeners' crap. I don't have the CPU for that either. I can't even imagine what the Amarr guys are thinking right now. BUYING ZAINOU 'DEADEYE' ZGL1000 IMPLANTS, PAYING TOP DOLLAR, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.06.20 01:07:00 - [2] It don't affect my geddon setups at all....

Sahwoolo Etoophie Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.06.20 01:07:00 - [3] Moved from GD. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website In case you're wondering, I'm now stationed in Jamaica that is why I look tanned and wearing sunglasses. Just look how pale I was!

Corporati Capitalis	Posted - 2007.06.20 01:17:00 - [4] Edited by: Corporati Capitalis on 20/06/2007 01:18:32 Originally by: murder one Thank you for adding another 60-80m ISK to my Blasterthron setup. It wasn't enough that you had to add 6 CPU per module to the T2 EANM. Now you had to add another 5 CPU to all the faction EANM, so that it takes TWO Shadow Serp EANM or TS EANM or w/e just to get back to the same CPU amount, instead of just one (one SS EANM @ 25, one T2 EANM @36 = net gain of 1 CPU, which was still under the total CPU of the ship by 1 CPU). The prices of faction EANMs have skyrocketed in the last week due to the EANM nerf. Now the demand will be even higher, and prices will climb further, as people will be forced to use two faction EANMs in place of one, just to get by. Of course, this only affects a very small number of ships, so who cares right? And don't give me that 'just fit 3x hardeners' crap. I don't have the CPU for that either. I can't even imagine what the Amarr guys are thinking right now. 1. 8000 LP (or 24000 for a 5-run BPC) 2. 3.2m ISK (or 9.6m for a 5-run BPC) 3. Some caldari tags 4. Docking at a gallente/shadow serpentis/etc station 5. ????? 6. Profit [EDIT] What IS your special blasterthron setup anyway?
Zhaymus Hockhold Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.20 01:43:00 - [5] Edited by: Zhaymus Hockhold on 20/06/2007 01:43:26 Edited by: Zhaymus Hockhold on 20/06/2007 01:42:58 Wow murder one I'm impressed you made it 24 hours before whining about how Gaellente need to be boosted and megathrons are under-powered. EDIT: Actual time of previous "megathron injustice" Posted - 2007.06.19 05:27:00
50freefly Caldari Purify United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.20 01:55:00 - [6] 'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating is your friend. Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right. And they never meet.
Not Bait	Posted - 2007.06.20 02:29:00 - [7] When resist specific hardeners are an option, meaning 30 CPU or less, I'll use them. But till then the only real option I have is faction EANMs. And I don't think that was the intent of this nerf, as it does nothing to assist a laser user in killing me. Anyway, no worries. The low cost of the LP store EANMs aught to balance out the recent increase in demand. You will still be paying quite a bit more than the same, old, T2 set up, though. But what choice do we really have?
Ariel Dawn Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.20 02:32:00 - [8] Actually, there are 1/3/5% CPU amount implants now in game. Using the 5% one, you gain an additional 34.375 CPU. This solves all of your CPU problems with plenty to spare.
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.20 02:52:00 - [9] Originally by: Ariel Dawn Actually, there are 1/3/5% CPU amount implants now in game. Using the 5% one, you gain an additional 34.375 CPU. This solves all of your CPU problems with plenty to spare. Only an idiot would assume that I don't already use a 5% CPU implant. Next... BUYING ZAINOU 'DEADEYE' ZGL1000 IMPLANTS, PAYING TOP DOLLAR, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.20 02:58:00 - [10] Originally by: Corporati Capitalis Edited by: Corporati Capitalis on 20/06/2007 01:18:32 Originally by: murder one Thank you for adding another 60-80m ISK to my Blasterthron setup. It wasn't enough that you had to add 6 CPU per module to the T2 EANM. Now you had to add another 5 CPU to all the faction EANM, so that it takes TWO Shadow Serp EANM or TS EANM or w/e just to get back to the same CPU amount, instead of just one (one SS EANM @ 25, one T2 EANM @36 = net gain of 1 CPU, which was still under the total CPU of the ship by 1 CPU). The prices of faction EANMs have skyrocketed in the last week due to the EANM nerf. Now the demand will be even higher, and prices will climb further, as people will be forced to use two faction EANMs in place of one, just to get by. Of course, this only affects a very small number of ships, so who cares right? And don't give me that 'just fit 3x hardeners' crap. I don't have the CPU for that either. I can't even imagine what the Amarr guys are thinking right now. 1. 8000 LP (or 24000 for a 5-run BPC) 2. 3.2m ISK (or 9.6m for a 5-run BPC) 3. Some caldari tags 4. Docking at a gallente/shadow serpentis/etc station 5. ????? 6. Profit [EDIT] What IS your special blasterthron setup anyway? It's not that special. That's the point. I shouldn't have to fit some crazy faction setup just to compete with everyone elses t2 crap. BUYING ZAINOU 'DEADEYE' ZGL1000 IMPLANTS, PAYING TOP DOLLAR, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME

murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.20 03:01:00 - [11] Originally by: 50freefly 'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating is your friend. Refuge Adaptive Nano Plating? Hmmm... never heard of it... OH WAIT, IT'S NOT COMPARABLE TO A T2 EANM! NO WONDER I DON'T KNOW WTF IT IS! Are you people drinking from the stupid fountian again? BUYING ZAINOU 'DEADEYE' ZGL1000 IMPLANTS, PAYING TOP DOLLAR, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME
Rudy Metallo Crimson Squall Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.20 03:04:00 - [12] Edited by: Rudy Metallo on 20/06/2007 03:04:02 Blasterthron pilots - the many, the usual, the generic. Woah there are other ships in game? I CAN THINK UP NEW SETUPS FOR MYSELF AND USE MY BRAIN INSTEAD OF WHINING? neato! Say what?
Ariel Dawn Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.20 03:07:00 - [13] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Ariel Dawn Actually, there are 1/3/5% CPU amount implants now in game. Using the 5% one, you gain an additional 34.375 CPU. This solves all of your CPU problems with plenty to spare. Only an idiot would assume that I don't already use a 5% CPU implant. Next... And only an idiot responds without reading. I am referring to the implant just released a few hours ago via the LP Store that adds 5% on top of your TOTAL CPU; not the -5% reduction in turret CPU usage. These give you more than enough CPU needed to fit your EANMs.
amarrian king	Posted - 2007.06.20 03:17:00 - [14] ouch
LinBadar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.20 03:20:00 - [15] Originally by: Ariel Dawn Originally by: murder one Originally by: Ariel Dawn Actually, there are 1/3/5% CPU amount implants now in game. Using the 5% one, you gain an additional 34.375 CPU. This solves all of your CPU problems with plenty to spare. Only an idiot would assume that I don't already use a 5% CPU implant. Next... And only an idiot responds without reading. I am referring to the implant just released a few hours ago via the LP Store that adds 5% on top of your TOTAL CPU; not the -5% reduction in turret CPU usage. These give you more than enough CPU needed to fit your EANMs. owned.
Snikkt Time Cube Syndicate Legionnaire Services Ltd.	Posted - 2007.06.20 03:21:00 - [16] Originally by: Ariel Dawn Originally by: murder one Originally by: Ariel Dawn Actually, there are 1/3/5% CPU amount implants now in game. Using the 5% one, you gain an additional 34.375 CPU. This solves all of your CPU problems with plenty to spare. Only an idiot would assume that I don't already use a 5% CPU implant. Next... And only an idiot responds without reading. I am referring to the implant just released a few hours ago via the LP Store that adds 5% on top of your TOTAL CPU; not the -5% reduction in turret CPU usage. These give you more than enough CPU needed to fit your EANMs. I can't stand you pandemic guys, but damn, was that a fine pwning. ------------------- My opinions (ie, all of my posting here) are not my corporations. Nor should it be taken as such.
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.20 03:30:00 - [17] Originally by: Ariel Dawn Originally by: murder one Originally by: Ariel Dawn Actually, there are 1/3/5% CPU amount implants now in game. Using the 5% one, you gain an additional 34.375 CPU. This solves all of your CPU problems with plenty to spare. Only an idiot would assume that I don't already use a 5% CPU implant. Next... And only an idiot responds without reading. I am referring to the implant just released a few hours ago via the LP Store that adds 5% on top of your TOTAL CPU; not the -5% reduction in turret CPU usage. These give you more than enough CPU needed to fit your EANMs. Oh right, the useless slot 6 implants. I just ignore those completely, since I have to use slot 6 for my HG Slave Omega. N E X T... BUYING ZAINOU 'DEADEYE' ZGL1000 IMPLANTS, PAYING TOP DOLLAR, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME
Ariel Dawn Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.20 03:45:00 - [18] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Ariel Dawn Originally by: murder one Originally by: Ariel Dawn Actually, there are 1/3/5% CPU amount implants now in game. Using the 5% one, you gain an additional 34.375 CPU. This solves all of your CPU problems with plenty to spare. Only an idiot would assume that I don't already use a 5% CPU implant. Next... And only an idiot responds without reading. I am referring to the implant just released a few hours ago via the LP Store that adds 5% on top of your TOTAL CPU; not the -5% reduction in turret CPU usage. These give you more than enough CPU needed to fit your EANMs. Oh right, the useless slot 6 implants. I just ignore those completely, since I have to use slot 6 for my HG Slave Omega. N E X T... I'd like to point out the irony of someone complaining about the prices of faction EANMs when they themselves fly around with a set of High-Grade Pirate Implants. Losing the Omega for a Slot 6 5% CPU Implant lets you swap out the Slot 10 -5% Turret CPU Implant for a 5% Large Hybrid Damage one. There are options available to you should you chose to decide to be creative and use what CCP gives you instead of demanding that your specific setup be realized.
xHalcyonx Amarr EmpiresMod	Posted - 2007.06.20 03:52:00 - [19] Originally by: murder one Oh right, the useless slot 6 implants. I just ignore those completely, since I have to use slot 6 for my HG Slave Omega. Opportunity Costs. We all make them, Gallente should have to make them too.
xeom Coagulated	Posted - 2007.06.20 03:55:00 - [20] HAHAHHA His HIGH GRADE SLAVE GUYS HAHAHAHA!!! Cry some more dude. --- Coagulated -Videos- Viciously Delicious New! Non-Entity

murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.20 04:05:00 - [21] I find it amusing that everyone is offering all sorts of very expensive suggestions to 'help fix' the real problem here: that the Blasterthron can no longer compete without extremely expensive implants and faction modules. Someone please show me another battleship, of any race, besides the Hyperion that requires faction modules and maxed out implants to compete with the rest of them. I can't think of another battleship besides possibly the Amarr BSs that suffer from fitting issues that the Megathron does. I don't want the Megathron buffed. I don't want it to perform better than it ever has. I want it to simply work as good as it USED TO BE, before it was completely emasculated by all the myriad changes that have converged to remove it from it's rightful place as the highest DPS ship in the game, capable of breaking any single T2 tank you can put together. Without that, it doesn't have a place in PVP, as that's it's whole point of existance. BUYING ZAINOU 'DEADEYE' ZGL1000 IMPLANTS, PAYING TOP DOLLAR, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME
Snikkt Time Cube Syndicate Legionnaire Services Ltd.	Posted - 2007.06.20 04:40:00 - [22] Originally by: murder one I find it amusing that everyone is offering all sorts of very expensive suggestions to 'help fix' the real problem here: that the Blasterthron can no longer compete without extremely expensive implants and faction modules. Someone please show me another battleship, of any race, besides the Hyperion that requires faction modules and maxed out implants to compete with the rest of them. I can't think of another battleship besides possibly the Amarr BSs that suffer from fitting issues that the Megathron does. I don't want the Megathron buffed. I don't want it to perform better than it ever has. I want it to simply work as good as it USED TO BE, before it was completely emasculated by all the myriad changes that have converged to remove it from it's rightful place as the highest DPS ship in the game, capable of breaking any single T2 tank you can put together. Without that, it doesn't have a place in PVP, as that's it's whole point of existance. I fit my Megathron with Railguns and run missions in it. ------------------- My opinions (ie, all of my posting here) are not my corporations. Nor should it be taken as such.
Royaldo Gallente KVA Noble Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.20 04:48:00 - [23] maybe some amarr will come pawn him with their new super boost?
Hijara Amarr Crimson Squall Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.20 04:53:00 - [24] My, a gallente megapilot whinning abou thow it cant break any tech 2 tank ingame. Oh man, gallente must be busted, need a boost or something. Try being amarr for the last year, when ALL your ships dont compete against the other races in pvp. Jesus Chr!st, why not try to PLAY THE GAME EQUALLY. There should not be any bs that can break any tech 2 tank ingame. That TOTALY unbalances it. "i can't fit my tank and gank, omg game is broken" whines may be deposited in trash bin please, k thanks bye
MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.20 04:54:00 - [25] Take out 3 guns from a blasterthron and you will still out dps a rage torp raven. That should leave you with a way better tank still, and as much cpu as you want!! Caldari when fitting torps, can't use their other 2 highslots for another heavy weapon. So whats your deal? Your still way better off than Caldari. You could also use electrons, and a salvager/tractor beam in the highslot(only thing that fits on raven when fitting torps).
MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.20 04:58:00 - [26] Originally by: Hijara My, a gallente megapilot whinning abou thow it cant break any tech 2 tank ingame. Oh man, gallente must be busted, need a boost or something. Try being amarr for the last year, when ALL your ships dont compete against the other races in pvp. Jesus Chr!st, why not try to PLAY THE GAME EQUALLY. There should not be any bs that can break any tech 2 tank ingame. That TOTALY unbalances it. "i can't fit my tank and gank, omg game is broken" whines may be deposited in trash bin please, k thanks bye Are you ******* kidding. Ammar completely wrecks Caldari. Caldari have lowest dps, alpha(if they have any), worst tank, worst speed, maneuverability, and use mid slots for tank(burn eden sensor dampners are noob btw, do they even need ew against ratters). Only bs's matter of course, the rest is crap .
Luciana Arcadia	Posted - 2007.06.20 05:00:00 - [27] murder one. It's time, my friend. For you to fly another ship. Have you tried the night-elf rogue? I hear they're still pretty overpowered if you get the pvp set. You want things that no person playing eve should get. Each post of yours that I read is saying 'boost my ship, I'm not good enough yet' Or, I don't like the changes, make it like it was and never change it. So, in light of this, let me pose some questions to you: Why do you think this is happening? You seem to think that it's a 'nerf murder one' moment. Oh god I have to pay so much for my megathron setups. You didn't think that the highest DPS, most feared gunship in the game. This BEAST-SHIP-OF-DEATH, that ran around ganking everything needed to be fixed from someone's point of view? A 'gank' ship like the blaster-mega is a hard hard thing from a dev's point of view to balance. Too much power and it kills everything, not enough and it can't do anything. Boost to shields and armor and nerf to T2 ammo needs a balance? Etc etc. The cycle continues. But for you to come on here, and complain and not be constructive is just rude. There have been good responses to your topics. Faction ammo, Ions, Elections, Neutrons, re balances. If all you're going to do is complain in your posts on here, and then NOT accept other people's ideas. What ARE you hoping to gain actually by posting here?
MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.20 05:03:00 - [28] Someone buy this guy a titan. He is unhappy with the best bs race in eve.
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.20 05:45:00 - [29] Originally by: Luciana Arcadia murder one. It's time, my friend. For you to fly another ship. Have you tried the night-elf rogue? I hear they're still pretty overpowered if you get the pvp set. You want things that no person playing eve should get. Each post of yours that I read is saying 'boost my ship, I'm not good enough yet' Or, I don't like the changes, make it like it was and never change it. So, in light of this, let me pose some questions to you: Why do you think this is happening? You seem to think that it's a 'nerf murder one' moment. Oh god I have to pay so much for my megathron setups. You didn't think that the highest DPS, most feared gunship in the game. This BEAST-SHIP-OF-DEATH, that ran around ganking everything needed to be fixed from someone's point of view? A 'gank' ship like the blaster-mega is a hard hard thing from a dev's point of view to balance. Too much power and it kills everything, not enough and it can't do anything. Boost to shields and armor and nerf to T2 ammo needs a balance? Etc etc. The cycle continues. But for you to come on here, and complain and not be constructive is just rude. There have been good responses to your topics. Faction ammo, Ions, Elections, Neutrons, re balances. If all you're going to do is complain in your posts on here, and then NOT accept other people's ideas. What ARE you hoping to gain actually by posting here? HP boost- Blasterthron Nerf. Fine. 20% DPS nerf to T2 ammo, plus 50% reduction in tracking- Blasterthron nerf. Fine. Rigs introduced. Offensive rigs suck (no one ever uses them), defensive rigs are brilliant, increasing tanks by a factor of 35%+. Huge nerf to Blasterthrons. Fine. Blasterthrons typically have between 0 and 5 CPU left over in order to squeeze out every scrap of performance possible out of the ship, just to be comparable with other battleships. The Mega has no endurance due to the cap use of it's guns. NONE. You can not outlast a ship that doesn't use cap for it's weapons (Caldari, Minmatar, Amarr with ACs and nos for example). You depend 100% on your DPS to kill the enemy before you run out of cap. The margin between peak DPS output of the Mega and the peak DPS able to be tanked by generic battleships has been narrowed to nothing. Fine. Now with the EANM nerf, even with the best of every type of module, usually the most expensive best named of each in the game, I can no longer design a workable fit without resorting to faction mods worth collectively more than the ship itself, sometimes many times over. WTF? That is what I disagree with. Ravens do not require a Gist XL shield booster to compete in PVP. I don't see Abaddons required to run TS EANMs just to get everything to fit. I don't see Maelstroms bothering with Republic Fleet Warp Disruptors just for the CPU reduction. Fitting other ships with faction stuff is a performance choice, not a fitting requirement. "Getting both gank and tank" out of a Blasterthron isn't a luxury. You have to kill quickly or you die. Every time. Blaster ships don't work ilke every other ship out there. You can't afford one extra minute of combat. So do I want Blasterthrons buffed? No. I want them put back the way they were just yesterday. So that my ship costs the same as the other 200m ISK BS setups that I'm fighting, not twice as much for the same performance. BUYING ZAINOU 'DEADEYE' ZGL1000 IMPLANTS, PAYING TOP DOLLAR, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME
Msobe	Posted - 2007.06.20 05:47:00 - [30] Well, the intent of upping the fitting requirements on eanm is to try and "encourage" people to fit something else. I'm not convinced that every ship will need to . . . but if it results in more diverse set ups, it would be a good thing. If everyone just fits faction eanm's to keep the same set up, instead of reading the writing on the wall, my money is on CCP upping the fitting on those versions as well . . . or else nerfing it in a way that guarantees no one will want to fit it.



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