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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2007.06.21 04:33:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: Caios
regardless of how you look at it, it's basically miniature version of what alliances do in 0.0
I nearly crapped myself when I read this :)
No, I don't think it's akin to the alliances I know. In those alliances, 95% of the people deal with hostiles by docking up and going AFK, the others jump in their T1 "tackling frigs" (esp. 2+ years old chars) to get wasted while following orders given by inexperienced FCs, or to sit on a gate for 1 hour and then go home without firing a single shot. Naturally, those alliances are unable to deal with roaming gangs of 5 hostiles.
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Ravelin Eb
Minmatar
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.21 04:47:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Diacon
Heh , i just feel urgency to run some missioms and take some friends with me into mentioned area 
Please do. I need some T2 loots.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.21 04:56:00 -
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There is too much arrogance in this thread.
Anyway, if infod and outbreak start fighting, im taking my covops there to watch.
I was joking about the lvl 5 missioning btw. Not about the rattlesnake. (its on contract in jita atm, if youre looking)
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Zydora
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Posted - 2007.06.21 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ravelin Eb
If you would like to know the fee contact Tassi for information.
If you do not believe we can protect you let we remind you that nothing in eve is every truely safe, and we will enjoy killing your ships and taking all youve worked for. And we arnt going to repay anything, want to live? pay us. want to die? then ignore our advice.
You guys might want to work on your overall sales pitch and not let these counter-productive and ambiguous comments come out.
Not sure I'd want to pay for protection from this guy, since he seems likely to shoot me regardless, simply due to the fact he appears somewhat confused.
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Ravelin Eb
Minmatar
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.21 06:56:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Zydora
Originally by: Ravelin Eb
If you would like to know the fee contact Tassi for information.
If you do not believe we can protect you let we remind you that nothing in eve is every truely safe, and we will enjoy killing your ships and taking all youve worked for. And we arnt going to repay anything, want to live? pay us. want to die? then ignore our advice.
You guys might want to work on your overall sales pitch and not let these counter-productive and ambiguous comments come out.
Not sure I'd want to pay for protection from this guy, since he seems likely to shoot me regardless, simply due to the fact he appears somewhat confused.
Prehaps you should reread the OP, and work out exactly what we are offering here. In that post i intended to highlight the fact that even though we offer you protection from ourselves for a sum of money, due to the nature of the game, if someone really wanted you dead, then he will find a way to kill you. Thats just how eve works.
We dont mind if you pay or not. We make money regardless, from your payment or from your loot. However it is in your best intrests to take the payment option as you will then be able to mission run in reasonable saftey. Think of it as our gift to the EVE Mission runner, do you graciously take your amazing prize and run to your agent with a spring in your step as you shower yourself in delicious faction delights, or do you nitpick our forums posts? YOU CHOOSE.
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Ulii
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Posted - 2007.06.21 07:13:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Ravelin Eb
... even though we offer you protection from ourselves for a sum of money...
that is just the thing... you do NOT offer protection. you offer passage.
you do not protect in any other way than simply by killing off every other ship you see.
if someone get past your 'security' gate camp, you wont help the attacked mission runner.
until you offer some real protection, i dont think you will get a lot of customers
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Admiral Alina
Minmatar
Old Farts
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.06.21 07:19:00 -
[67]
weeeeeee.
now u guys just let CCP know what to fix in the next patch/expansion.
GG ^_^
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Mastin Dragonfly
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.06.21 08:57:00 -
[68]
What happens when one of your 'clients' decides to blow up other 'clients'? 
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.21 10:11:00 -
[69]
I demand FREE ticket! 
"to be honest it makes me wonder about the mental state of a person who would join a corp called Space Perverts and Forum warriors"
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Aslann
Gallente
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.21 10:18:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Ulii
you do not protect in any other way than simply by killing off every other ship you see.
How does this not offer protection? If everybody else is dead they'll be having a hard time blowing you up now wont they?
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Dr Shameless
Skull Soft
Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.06.21 10:49:00 -
[71]
Quote:
...This business solution does only include Maila...
So i guess the agent is stationed in Maila. What if you get a mission one jump away. Are people going to be ganked there ? just curious
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WildSide
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.21 11:08:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Dr Shameless
Quote:
...This business solution does only include Maila...
So i guess the agent is stationed in Maila. What if you get a mission one jump away. Are people going to be ganked there ? just curious
I can insure u that if u pays to be blue for a week..u are blue everywhere...even 1 jump away
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LordGodKingBufu
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Posted - 2007.06.21 11:11:00 -
[73]
Seen it all b4.
Nowt better to do than camp a gate 23/7
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.21 11:46:00 -
[74]
I have already recieved alot of convo's and eve-mails.
People are actually surprised at how cheap safety is.
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Zaphod Jones
Minmatar
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.21 11:47:00 -
[75]
Originally by: patteSatan
As a friend of INFOD, and a mission***** extraordinaire, I can vouch for this, and will probably try myself after my norwaytrip.
As a friend of Celtic Anarchy, and pirate wannebe, I can vouch for the fact that patte is in fact a mission ***** of the greatest degree (thanks to his missioning I got jump clones) have fun in Norway patte, and keep drinking that strong stuff 
Rent your level 5 caldari agent
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Esab
Caldari
Pitch Black Incorporated
Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.06.21 12:00:00 -
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I have no idea how honorable Infinitus Odium are but I cant see them ever being able to police one system continually....let alone ones surrounding them.
The idea is a great one but the reality is impossible.
No one is going to want to keep two gates covered 23/7 to stop 'reds/neutrals' jumping in. I have had my share of waiting at gates and know for a fact that its just not going to happen.
Maybe Borders in the RW are manned 24/7 365 but thats the RW not EvE.
You could pay six different corps to protect you but the seventh will get you if they really want to. Its a damned if you do..damned if you dont situation tbh..
Mission running ships are just too juicy to ignore if killing in low sec is what you do. And we all know how easy it is to fly/live around in a system where you can dock at.
The tools are in the game for flushing out mission runners if you have the patience to do it and the rewards from success are worth the patience in most cases.
The tools are not in game for succesfully policing an area....maybe one day they will be but I cant see it being soon.
Also as soon as people know there are a group of pilots trying to lock down the system you get the 'lets go break the camp guys' scenario....going to be a bit of a suprise to the happy mission runner who starts a mission when there is a group of 'Blues' camping the station/gate as they leave....to find them replaced with 'Reds' upon their return.
If I paid for protection I would expect 'Protection' not a "Sorry mate..we know you paid but that guy that just popped you and took all your gear must have logged on in system so we had no idea where he was"
Exactly why I have never paid for anything..I would rather use my inititave and guile to get the results that I want.
Each to thier own I guess :)
Esab
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Scaramunga Scaramai
Amarr
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.21 12:55:00 -
[77]
pewpew 
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2007.06.21 13:38:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: Caios
regardless of how you look at it, it's basically miniature version of what alliances do in 0.0
I nearly crapped myself when I read this :)
No, I don't think it's akin to the alliances I know. In those alliances, 95% of the people deal with hostiles by docking up and going AFK, the others jump in their T1 "tackling frigs" (esp. 2+ years old chars) to get wasted while following orders given by inexperienced FCs, or to sit on a gate for 1 hour and then go home without firing a single shot. Naturally, those alliances are unable to deal with roaming gangs of 5 hostiles.
Asteroid the size of Texas hits nail on head.
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Bruno Bonner
Gallente
Lutin Group
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Posted - 2007.06.21 14:40:00 -
[79]
This business model will only work if you require a safety deposit from your clients first as a sign of commitment (not too high), plus the monthly rent.
Since what you are offering is 24/7 protection (or is it restricted to certain schedules?) Infod should pay back to the customer if any negative sec-rating pilot is able to gank the mission runners while they are performing a mission, effectively working as a "warranty".
Otherwise is just the plain old "pay me, and i promess that i wont gank you", then pirate still ganks the guy after he/she paid and earns double money....since no pirate can be trusted, right?.
good idea, but it miss the important details.
Bruno
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Horsefly
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.21 14:46:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Bruno Bonner
This business model will only work if you require a safety deposit from your clients first as a sign of commitment (not too high), plus the monthly rent.
Since what you are offering is 24/7 protection (or is it restricted to certain schedules?) Infod should pay back to the customer if any negative sec-rating pilot is able to gank the mission runners while they are performing a mission, effectively working as a "warranty".
Otherwise is just the plain old "pay me, and i promess that i wont gank you", then pirate still ganks the guy after he/she paid and earns double money....since no pirate can be trusted, right?.
good idea, but it miss the important details.
Bruno
Again you guys seem to miss the fact that this is protection from INFOD. If you choose to be in maila to run the lvl 5 missions around the area you would be wise to pay us to not shoot you. We do not guarentee you that you wont be shot by other pirates in the area. However if you watch the system closely you will relise that there are not a great amount of pirates that venture into our territory. Also if they do find there way in there they are usually dispensed quite quickly as we are very territorial.
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
Defcon One
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:03:00 -
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Hey, this is crazy enough to work!
We would need independant auditors to see how many pirates not from your corp comes around every day and how far goes your territory... I mean, if the agent is in your territory, but he could give a mission outside of it if it's not big enough.
PS : I have no info on your territory and your level of control, and that's why I ask, no sarcasm here, pure information.
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Horsefly
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Eleana Tomelac
Hey, this is crazy enough to work!
We would need independant auditors to see how many pirates not from your corp comes around every day and how far goes your territory... I mean, if the agent is in your territory, but he could give a mission outside of it if it's not big enough.
PS : I have no info on your territory and your level of control, and that's why I ask, no sarcasm here, pure information.
Well atleast your post isnt a blatent hatred twords the idea. We welcome observers. However in saying that you will be shot on sight so not sure how effective that will work. The only way your not KOS is to either be our friends through combat and respect, or through temperary settings from payment to Tassi. Just the way we roll.
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Inmate 19225004
Absoluten Calfeutrail
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:36:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Inmate 19225004 on 21/06/2007 15:35:35
Originally by: Horsefly
you guys seem to miss the fact that this is protection from INFOD.
If you choose to be in maila to run the lvl 5 missions around the area you would be wise to pay us to not shoot you.
We do not guarentee you that you wont be shot by other pirates in the area.
LOL this is a far cry from the thread subject, "Rent your LVL5 agent NOW!"
Also, Tassi's 1st post states this, "If you contact INFOD now and arrange an agreement for a small fee you will recieve protection of pirates and other evil doers."
Maybe you two should have some pillow talk over this?
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Zhuge Liang
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:43:00 -
[84]
Moved from Missions forum, existing replies from non player corps before this message will remain as it was moved.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:48:00 -
[85]
Well, let's put it this way, this MIGHT just work.
As the CEO of a semi-idling, more-tahn-half newbies corp of casual missionrunners (coincidentally, for Peace&Order, and based in Abagawa, so not far away from Maila), and hence interested in this offer, here's how I'm looking at it.
1. The current buggy status of missionrunning means we have to wait a while anyway.
Yeah, that's right, mission standing gains are a joke post-patch, be it solo or as a gang.
I'm just hoping they'll fix that one ASAP.
If it gets fixed, and L5 missions DO give a significantly higher standing increase compared to L4s (at least as much as L4s give compared to L3s), and proportionally higher LP, then again, it might be worth doing.
Sure, you also need at least one looter/salvager to work WHILE the other gang members kill the mission itself (because it WILL take longer as 2 hours in cheapo ships, even with a 5-man killing team, if you fit for "mission survival"), there's no ISK in bounties, and there's plenty of faction standing hits (either towards Gallente or Minmatar, due to ship kills).
Also, don't forget, with the way rewards are "dynamically adjusted", and the utterely braindead CCP implementation of "all missions start from the LOWEST possible LP" instead of a pre-calced value (or just highest possible value), it will take a while to get a good feedback.
2. I don't personally know the [INFOD] guys, so I'm naturally suspicious.
This means that at least in the begining, if we manage to get a L5 gang in the air, everybody will be flying platinum insured unrigged ships with cheapo fitings and blank clones, so the risk (towards other players) is minimal.
Sure, the risk to lose the whole gang to the mission itself is greater, but such is the supposed nature of the game: no risk, no gain.
3. Even if this just means "protection FROM [INFOD]", it's ok.
Why am I saying that ?
Well, lets look at it this way: you're in a system with 50 people in local.
40 of them are "blue" (say 20 INFOD and 20 other missionrunners), 5 are your corpmates, the other 5 are more or less unknowns.
Basically, it's just 5 people you might need to be wary of, instead of 25. I see that as an improvement.
Now, if suddendly those 5 prove to actually be a ganksquad out to get missionrunners... well, what happends when/if you suddendly scream "INFOD, gang up with us, they're in our mission deadspace" ?
Well, maybe they won't come to the rescue, maybe they will (and get a few nice kills and loot from those would-be gankers), either way those 5 just might get scared enough to get out.
Of course, if suddendly local flares up from 50 to 100, you know it's time to take a break and dock, unless you can determine most of them are friendly.
4. L5 missions might take place 2-3 jumps away from agent system.
So, while people might be safe in Maila, the actual place you do the mission might just be out of the "protected/intel" zone.
This could be the most serious problem.
I have no idea how you think to resolve it.
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So, basically, it comes down to two things: if L5s are worth doing at all, and if INFOD keeps their word.
Apparently, INFOD might just keep their word (and I hope I'm not wrong, as I said, I don't know anything about them).
So you're left with the " is it worth doing L5s ? "
If it's not yet worth doing, it might just get changed so it IS worth doing, seing how CCP intended them as an ISK sink in the first place (yes, sink, combined with the LP-shop).
Be it through loot drop adjustment or any ofther things, but they'll make it (eventually) worth doing L5s.
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