Me too but you don't see me calling people names

What has happened in EVE isn't infaltion though. To quote Wiki



Now the goods in EVE stay at pretty much the same level (because of the way industry works) our earnings however have increased so everyone has more disposable income.

An example of ingame inflation is a 'purple drop' as it's rare the more people want it and will pay more for it pricing newer players out the market. The more gold people have the more they will pay the bigger the gap gets.

Eve's market doesn't revolve around drops though it revolves around a complex 'crafting' system for want of a better word, where the price of an item is relative to the value of the minerals it can be broken down to (as a baseline at least).

This is essentially a good thing for a new player as they can now buy more stuff given what they earn than players used to be able to.

TLDR

Richer players != Inflation

EVE's market isn't comprable to other MMO's as it mostly 'crafting' based.

More money in your wallet = more fun for noobs

/edit I understand you weren't having a go, I just kinda carried on where I left off in this discussion of a slightly diffrent aspect of the subject, but thanks for pointing it out anyhow

Wow, page four already.
Anyway, to adress the OPs question.
(TL;DR at the bottom)

With work, there comes reward.

Without work, reward is shallow.

Where the minerals actually spawned doesn't seem to be relevant to my assesment, perhaps I'm wrong???

Also T3 didn't excist and I don't really remeber the T2 prices from 3 years ago, but most likely they haven't grown as much as earning potential has, which was the point.

Not really trying to asses the complex system of cause and effect or why things are the way they are, just commenting on the state of things as I see them. Thanks for theinsight though.

As in real life it's much more fun to be rich in Eve -

Is it because you have a lot of wealth earned when it was hard to come by and therefore it's irritating to see upstarts getting all the advantages without the effort? or I guess that those advantages are being erroded

Its not where they come from, its how much of it there is. Drone alloys give more minerals per unit of time than mining does, and can be done by combat pilots. If minerals only came from mining, then not nearly as many people would be able to farm them. While drone anoms were nerfed in crucible(you can no longer spawn the whole site at once, and farm them with you carrier, they spawn in waves now so they take longer to do) so we should start seeing a rise in mineral prices soon, this severely depressed the prices of minerals. When you add bots doing this, as well as mining, 23/7, you end up with minerals that cost so little that they don't noticeably shift due to inflation.

If you eliminate cheaters(bots) that will fix a large part of this, which will cause a significant rise in mineral prices, leading to inflation actually meaning something in terms of mods.

We don't see inflation effect player made mods because our current economy is being undercut by cheaters, so your theories only hold true as long as CCP fails to deal with the RMT rings, and fail to fix the horrible suffering that is mining(the boredom was worth it when minerals were worth something).

Edit: just as a point of reference, i don't know current vexor prices, but when I bought my first one on this toon 3 years ago, I remember it costing 5 mil in Jita. Perhaps there is some inflation affecting noobs after all?

I still want to know what is considered rich in this game...

1bil?
5bil?
10bil?
25bil?
How ever much Chirbba has?

Isk Wealthy is optical.

China server Plex go for 2 billion ISk. That's massive ISK.

Our server also doesn't look at distribution. The people saying there is more ISK in EVE have no way of determining who has that ISK. It's very much at the structural level the same as real world capitalism. Most of it is held by the 1% and I assure you, any of the people reading this is NOT in the 1% group. (Exception might be Chribba)

We all might "think" we are rich and that's reflective of real world too. The truth being, most of us sit on very little in percentage of what is in the game. 99% of the money is in 1% of the wallets.

There is also the issue of asset perspective. That ISK is liquid ships in alliances that won't ever use it. So it's not even really in the game. They keep it in the even they get wiped out and that never happens. Mostly because we see decimations months in advance and can avoid them.

Branch is a good example. Goons did nothing there and won't. They displaced players but Branch residence were in evac as soon as it became clear the unbeatable Goon NAP train was coming. Add to that any ships that are lost don't really require that much ISK to replace because the people who have all the ISK also control the Ship industries. So they keep thier ISK and just stop selling thier minerals, using it to make thier ships. That was the original purpose of it, to replace ships but when no ships need replacement, it becomes surplus and the ISK distribution system kicks in.

The only thing we need to look at is PLEX. When PLEX are at 2 billion a pop, then EVE has hyper inflation because everyone is sitting on 50 billion ISK.

Last time I checked incursions were open to everyone.

This is all symptomatic though. Making ISK be it in Incursions, WH, low sec or where ever. That's not the problem.

Over 8 years, CCP have nerfed, nerfed and nerfed again. They do this based on the amount of ISK in the game. None of that nerfing has worked though because it isn't removing the ISK from the game. We see EVE as a spreadsheet in Space, so do CCP. They need to figure out how to pry those trillions of ISK out of the alliance wallets. They need to make those alliances want to spend that money though. Nerfs won't work. They need more content that will matter to those alliances.

The reason it needs to be done is to allow CCP to see with thier spreadsheets how much ISK is needed. They can't do that with static ISK clouding the spreadsheets.

Why did we get handed L3 battle cruisers?

Want an Idea, CCP? Real player R&D. Allow Goons to make a Goon supercap. Through R&D that takes alot of money to research. Allow them to make thier own player agents (us) and allow them to create prototype BPC's that can then be either used or copied say 5 copies per prototype with more material added?

Make it a sink, not an ISK trade, make it realistic to get it done. Make it worth it.
Real crafting in EVE anyone?

This. Just like higher mining yields just depress mineral prices and thus do not increase mining income. And so on and so forth.

Its not where they come from, its how much of it there is. Drone alloys give more minerals per unit of time than mining does, and can be done by combat pilots. If minerals only came from mining, then not nearly as many people would be able to farm them. While drone anoms were nerfed in crucible(you can no longer spawn the whole site at once, and farm them with you carrier, they spawn in waves now so they take longer to do) so we should start seeing a rise in mineral prices soon, this severely depressed the prices of minerals. When you add bots doing this, as well as mining, 23/7, you end up with minerals that cost so little that they don't noticeably shift due to inflation.

If you eliminate cheaters(bots) that will fix a large part of this, which will cause a significant rise in mineral prices, leading to inflation actually meaning something in terms of mods.

We don't see inflation effect player made mods because our current economy is being undercut by cheaters, so your theories only hold true as long as CCP fails to deal with the RMT rings, and fail to fix the horrible suffering that is mining(the boredom was worth it when minerals were worth something).

Edit: just as a point of reference, i don't know current vexor prices, but when I bought my first one on this toon 3 years ago, I remember it costing 5 mil in Jita. Perhaps there is some inflation affecting noobs after all?

You are under the impression that minerals come from mining as opposed to say, reprocessed mission/drone loot.

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Careful Ocih, if you give them a great idea like that, they might actually improve the game, and we can't allow that now can we?

I still want to know what is considered rich in this game...

1bil?
5bil?
10bil?
25bil?
How ever much Chirbba has?

Funny thing is, that ISK don't even belong to you. CCP can take it away any time per the EULA, and not even have to explain anything.

Ie getting barred is one thing, getting barred with -ú100 worth of plex on account with no recourse to refund is questionable considering trading standards law.

That's been true for some items, but the overall price indexes have remained pretty flat, despite the amount of ISK in the game continuing to increase.

You have to take a look at external sites to figure out all the implications and all the conclusions you have to consider.

Look about sites selling SC's Titans and even ships/minerals/bpc's whatever for real money

Look at some Killboards giving you the exact amount in US$ or EUGé¼ for "x" Km or "y" LM

Then, think about the game as it stands, the bot blahblah, the moon goo blahblah and alike, take another look at the game once you've done your researches and figured out it's a big business for far more people than CCP it self.

Just take a good look on the internet and have IRL laughs.