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Snake Jankins Minmatar Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:04:00 - [31] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 22/06/2007 10:11:52 Edited by: Snake Jankins on 22/06/2007 10:03:37 Originally by: The Mantra I know CCP like the entire sandbox idea, but if the servers can't handle the load, maybe it's time for population caps on systems... it's obvious at the moment that in some situations the principles behind the game far outstrip the hardware it is running on! This could have some nasty traffic jam effects. If I ran missions for caldari, I'd choose to do it for another corp. ( Think my Minmatar standing would allow me to start at any minmatar corp with a max agent and effective quality above 40 edit ok, not really, thought I'd have 7+ faction standing, but only got 5.88. But a true mission runner should be able to do it ) So if the LP store is the same for different Caldari corps, why hang out in Motsu ? ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'
Starfury Shang Pod Industries New Eden Entertainment	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:15:00 - [32] The thing is if things are broken that affect the ability to play the game rather than just a minor inconvenience then why is it classed as a whine. We are paying customers, some of us with multiple accounts (I personally have three) I know CCP are working hard on fixing problems and I know fixes take a lot of time, but when people are bringing up valid points, (both Liegus and Karanth are) it shouldn't be classed as whining. It's not as though Eve is free. With regards to the solarsystem caps, its not so much the number of players in the system but the number of objects. Higher level missions obviously generate a lot more objects than mining or trading, (the rat, the wreck, the loot can). CCP have demonstrated they can reduce object counts in systems in the past, hence the drone revamp reducing it to 5 drone max for most ships. What might be a nice idea is have it so that when you go and do a deadspace mission you actually move to another server transparently (like what happens when you dock in a station). That way mission runners wouldn't affect the lag and stability of a system for other people in there passing through or trading.
The Mantra Caldari Knights of Sovereignty United Corporations of Eve	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:16:00 - [33] Originally by: Starfury Shang With regards to the solarsystem caps, its not so much the number of players in the system but the number of objects. More players = more missions = more objects?
Starfury Shang Pod Industries New Eden Entertainment	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:18:00 - [34] But not everyone in a system is doing missions.
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:22:00 - [35] Get out of Motsu. It has been claimed by the People's Republic Of ISK Farmers. CCP signed the treaty handing over the territory a long time ago. All that remains now if for the few die hard settlers to get out of the ISK farmer's Promised Land. Get out. It's not yours. It's theirs.
Realypk	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:33:00 - [36] Edited by: Realypk on 22/06/2007 10:33:14 lol ^^^ I think not.... Anyways I think that anyone with a half a brain here agrees that problems as simple as this one and many others should be fixed instead of introducing nifty new things that dont really do anything huge to the game. Fix what is broken before you spiff it up... i mean in all honesty hats off to CCP for trying to make the game better but this revalations 2 is such a bunch of crock when you consider all the things wrong with the game atm. What they have done is basically give a car a new paintjob and give it a nice new on board display when the darn thing needs to have it's oil changed, sprak plugs changed, gas tank filled and an actual key to start the car....
Bralstov	Posted - 2007.06.22 10:50:00 - [37] Originally by: Gungankllr It's because of all you snip please be nice -Yips ([email protected]) that MUST HAVE that extra 150 LP per mission, instead of taking a slightly less quality agent a few jumps away, where there is no lag. That, and the gangs of players named opgh97pvqrofh2234523. (And other fun isk farming names) Well if u use ur brain a bit before talking, u would have noticed that there is no other place for lvl 4 navy : the q 17 is in low sec, another one lvl 4 is 8jump away but close a 0.4 ( yeah we are all afraid to go in low sec with our 5b cnr ), and low quality, another one q4 is 2 jump of motsu and most of the time give mission in saila, 2 other are in saila and mostsu, low quality. Maybe there are some other lvl 4 but with awful quality. Go for another corp ? yeah but dont have the standing, work for it with the faction, dont want to do lvl 3 its too boring and the lvl 4 q18 of cpf is a laggy system too anyway, and dont want to "lost" my 450k lp before the cnr. Give me a navy agent lvl 4 q 14-15 6-7 jump away from motsu jita, or more, with no low sec around it and i will go here in the sec. The truth is that we dont have the choice if we dont want half reward. And dont flame about my awful english, its not my native language and i dont care, if i ask u to speak french german or russian i will be lol too.
Realypk	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:00:00 - [38] ^^^^ Couldnt say it better myself buddy :) But the truth be told their are allot of people like him who know nothing about the issue or tend not to think. We cant help them we just have to make sure that CCP knows. I'd say petition this issue under somthing that kinda fits closley to it because all the ratters and pvp'rs with nothing better to do will harass mission runners here because they just like to grief us :)
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:04:00 - [39] Oh, if I could afford it, I would, but I'm too busy building replacement T1 mods for my ship that's coming off the lines in a few hours. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn
Faekurias Caldari Federation Fleet Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:09:00 - [40] Originally by: Gungankllr It's because of all you snip please be nice -Yips ([email protected]) that MUST HAVE that extra 150 LP per mission, instead of taking a slightly less quality agent a few jumps away, where there is no lag. That, and the gangs of players named opgh97pvqrofh2234523. (And other fun isk farming names) QFT I say CCP give us one entire day of free empire-killing-spree fun, no concord around. That'd be win. FINE!I fail at making signs :( Just hijack my signature space all you want murderous >:(
Jennie moo Grave Raiders Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:17:00 - [41] Get rid of all the isk farmers, With names like jjhf jtr04 hhfg5 hhft07 qwqwi and gfht09 aer12 aer06 aer05 aer03 and so on ................................. Do u like PINK?
Hephaesteus Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:33:00 - [42] Originally by: Gungankllr It's because of all you snip please be nice -Yips ([email protected]) that MUST HAVE that extra 150 LP per mission, instead of taking a slightly less quality agent a few jumps away, where there is no lag. That, and the gangs of players named opgh97pvqrofh2234523. (And other fun isk farming names) don't be daft, there is lag in all the mission systems. Don't listen to him you Motsuvians and sailars . Stay in Motsu where the lag is good and the lp even better, he's just trying to deceive you.
Basileus	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:37:00 - [43] It is imho rather misplaced to suggest that the fault is with the players. They are after all, just trying to play the game they are paying their cash for! As an example, the problem with this one agent has been around for years. This agent started off ages ago in Inoue, then moved to Hageken en ended up in Aramachi. Lag followed suit. CCP have not resolved the issue at all and are at the moment doing nothing whatsoever about it. The fault is clearly with CCP. Either they need to upgrade the hardware for these lagged systems, or move the agents such that the player dispersion will increase.
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:40:00 - [44] Why move them? With the LP store now out, and LP pooled, all you lose is a bit of standings grind if we just delete them, or disable them entirely. Then, after.... I dunno, a few months, bring one or two back? But reduce the quality by half. There, problem solved. Next week: Boosting Amarr, Or Nerfing Everyone Else? YOU DECIDE! Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn
Gungankllr Caldari STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:49:00 - [45] Originally by: Realypk ^^^^ Couldnt say it better myself buddy :) But the truth be told their are allot of people like him who know nothing about the issue or tend not to think. We cant help them we just have to make sure that CCP knows. I'd say petition this issue under somthing that kinda fits closley to it because all the ratters and pvp'rs with nothing better to do will harass mission runners here because they just like to grief us :) I've been doing missions for over three years with the Caldari Navy. I know where all the agents are, and what their quality level is. There isn't a massive difference between the L4 agent in Saila, to the L4 agent in Aramachi, to the L4 agent in Motsu. It's only a difference of a few hundred LP at most, and maybe 200k +/- per mission PAYOUT. All the NPC bounties are the same. I do my missions with agents away from Motsu, because I'd rather be part of the solution than the problem. If they REALLY want to fix agents, then they need to spread out the agents within 8 jumps of a major trade hub. I've run missions in Lowsec, too. If you're terrified of getting shot at then go play Horseisle or some other appropriate game. All I am saying is that going a couple of jumps away, or using a different corp within the Caldari State will give the same rewards as the Caldari Navy.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:55:00 - [46] Originally by: Karanth Why move them? With the LP store now out, and LP pooled, all you lose is a bit of standings grind if we just delete them, or disable them entirely. Then, after.... I dunno, a few months, bring one or two back? But reduce the quality by half. There, problem solved. Next week: Boosting Amarr, Or Nerfing Everyone Else? YOU DECIDE! I honestly think that a dev (instead of working on something superfluous like heat) should sit down, analyze where the mission bottlenecks are and cross-reference this with traffic hot spots. They should then restructure the agents in such a manner as to lighten server load. The LP store probably won't have the full effect that a retooling would. And of course the answer is boost Amarr. The answer is always boost Amarr. ^_^
justcheckingthemarket	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:05:00 - [47] Originally by: Hephaesteus don't be daft, there is lag in all the mission systems. Don't listen to him you Motsuvians and sailars . Stay in Motsu where the lag is good and the lp even better, he's just trying to deceive you. exactly, just stay in that lag hell and don't polute the other mission runnin systhems. everybody thats not so stupid to hang out in motsu will be very grateful for that :P
Khonsu Rest home for Tired Seadogs	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:21:00 - [48] To be fair to the Motsu-goers, Caldari Navy (and to an extent Caldari in general) have crap agents. The Motsu agent is the only one of acceptable Quality in high sec. No wonder people use it. CCP created this situation by not giving people good alternatives.
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:25:00 - [49] Originally by: RtoZ Everytime the server gets a major patch the resource allocation gets bogged up and the busy mission runner systems get laggy. It's been a trend for the last 18 months. Jita gets fixed before the mission runner hubs. It will return to normal in a few days, when they get the load distribution right. Jita doesn't get dynamically assigned to some node, it's got it's own private little node. Almost every other system is getting dynamically assigned though. -- .sig apathy ftw
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:31:00 - [50] Originally by: prsr Originally by: RtoZ Everytime the server gets a major patch the resource allocation gets bogged up and the busy mission runner systems get laggy. It's been a trend for the last 18 months. Jita gets fixed before the mission runner hubs. It will return to normal in a few days, when they get the load distribution right. Jita doesn't get dynamically assigned to some node, it's got it's own private little node. Almost every other system is getting dynamically assigned though. Can we make it a bit more private? Like, say, move it to Serenity? Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips I swear i was in on this and someone took me out -Scyd How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn
The Mantra Caldari Knights of Sovereignty United Corporations of Eve	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:39:00 - [51] Originally by: Khonsu Edited by: Khonsu on 22/06/2007 12:31:07 To be fair to the Motsu-goers, Caldari Navy (and to an extent Caldari in general) have crap agents. The Motsu agent is the only one of acceptable Quality in high sec. No wonder people use it. CCP created this situation by not giving people good alternatives. CN have one good agent (in Motsu) Spacelane Patrol have one Ishukone have one, but you'll be going to low sec for a lot of your missions Not much else of HIGH quality. meh, I just go to Piak and accept the pain of relatively low standings. It's not a major issue TBH - I can live without the extra couple of hundered loyalty points...
Khonsu Rest home for Tired Seadogs	Posted - 2007.06.22 14:18:00 - [52] Originally by: The Mantra Originally by: Khonsu Edited by: Khonsu on 22/06/2007 12:31:07 To be fair to the Motsu-goers, Caldari Navy (and to an extent Caldari in general) have crap agents. The Motsu agent is the only one of acceptable Quality in high sec. No wonder people use it. CCP created this situation by not giving people good alternatives. CN have one good agent (in Motsu) Spacelane Patrol have one Ishukone have one, but you'll be going to low sec for a lot of your missions Not much else of HIGH quality. meh, I just go to Piak and accept the pain of relatively low standings. It's not a major issue TBH - I can live without the extra couple of hundered loyalty points... Sure, but it's only natural that the majority gathers at the best one. Especially when there are so few alternatives.
F90OEX	Posted - 2007.06.22 14:59:00 - [53] Edited by: F90OEX on 22/06/2007 15:00:00 lolz . 235 in Motsu local... Way I look at it, its simply poor planning on CCPs part for making the Caldari state/region small, packing in all the highest agents with in a few jumps of each other and having Saila and Jita next door, may not be in the same node, but when you have ppl passing though these systems since they know there the only systems u can use coming from that direction, adds to the lag. Then on top of that you take into account the summer is here with people on School hoidays and CCP marketing EvE like no tomorrow and now alot of people want to do missions b/c of the LP store. I say make the Caldari state/region bigger, or take back some of 0.0 systems that no one is never in and spread out the highest lvl agents. Sure there is no easy answer, but at the end of the day CCP have to do something, its only going to get worse. They know it and so do you.
Ryas Nia Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:10:00 - [54] If you want a less hostile response from me its going to take a major change in the mentality of all the mission runners in high sec that come to this forum and whine. Quite franly im sick of it, most of the time they are ****ing about things that THEY can fix, but would rather complain and whine because they cant seem to come up with an creative solutions. You want to know why pirates and BOB are soo good at what they do? Because rather than wait for CCP to change things, they adapt and find solutions within the game and game mechanics that solve their problems. FACT: most of high sec clardari space lags, cause? 1000's of mission runners who dont understand that they can do missions anywhere, and 1000's of mission runners who cant live in low sec or 0.0 because they refuse to adapt. SOLUTION: since we cant make people smarter, and i dont have time to convo each and every one in that region, the only remaining option short of waiting for CCP to change things (not going to happen) is to move. cash in on your LP sell all the loot you can and move to a different corp in a different system where there is less lag. * incidentally CCP do fix things and have dramatically increased the capacity for these systems like Jita and Motsu, but the SECOND they do that 100's more dumb people flood these systems making any changes to the servers or increased capacity a moot point. When i started playing Jita lagged at 200, now it lags at 500 and yet people keep going and keep *****ing. If you getting lag in Motsu your part of the problem, not the solution and cluttering up the forums with useless whines about wont help anyone. Recruiting Terrorists
Taevin Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:18:00 - [55] Let's look at the numbers: Amarr Navy: - 13 level 4 agents - 5 of which are high sec (38%) - top 5 military agents are all in low sec Caldari Navy: - 13 level 4 agents - 11 of which are high sec (85%) - top 5 military agents, 4 are in high sec Federation Navy: - 15 level 4 agents - 6 of which are high sec (40%) - top 5 military agents, 4 are in low sec Republic Fleet: - 19 level 4 agents - 4 of which are high sec (21%) - top 5 military agents, 3 are in low sec The Caldari mission runners have more access to high sec level 4 agents than all the other races by far, and you're complaining that there's not enough high sec agents for you to use!? You have a carebear paradise and yet you complain. It honestly doesn't surprise me all that much though. For whatever reason, you all are so absolutely terrified that you might, just might, lose an asset in a virtual world or have it threatened that you stuff yourselves into the highest security system available and attempt to squeeze out a living. To be honest, I'm quite glad I don't run Caldari missions because I actually want to be in low sec. You get better rewards, it's quieter, and I seem to be able to avoid all the supposed "risk" of low sec. This may shock you, so hold onto your seats: sometimes you have to risk something to gain something in life! Why not pack up your stuff, get an alt or a friend in a shuttle to scout for you, and move out to some nice quiet low sec system? If you're not willing to risk that... well I can't say I have much sympathy for you if you insist on packing yourself into Motsu with the rest of the whiny cowards. I'm not trying to turn this into a thread about low sec, but really, how much risk is there for mission runners there? Most of the time you warp directly from a station to a deadspace pocket and back. At the station you have sentry guns to help you and you can just dock. At the deadspace pocket, you have the advantage of being one or more acceleration gates from any hostiles (assuming they can even find you, not easy even with probes). As long as you are at the keyboard (probably an unreasonable request for some I know, sorry) you can keep an eye on local and if some unfriendly shows up and you don't have the balls to stick it out at your mission, just warp to the station. I guarantee you'll be docked before they even launch a probe if you're paying attention. Anyway, back on topic, the best response to your complaint really is "the doctor response" which you've already been getting (i.e. "Doctor, it hurts when I do this." "Well then don't do it!"). If your precious system is packed to the brim with ISK farmers and it's laggy... STOP GOING THERE! Really is it that hard to figure out? You have so many options in this game, and if you're Caldari most don't even involve risk. If you can't handle a little risk (e.g. losing a ship, which is your fault 99% of the time in this game)... as others have said before me: perhaps this isn't the game for you. There are other games that are prettier, happier, and you can farm away to your hearts content and you'll never be bothered by anyone.
Khonsu Rest home for Tired Seadogs	Posted - 2007.06.22 17:13:00 - [56] Originally by: Taevin Let's look at the numbers: Amarr Navy: - 13 level 4 agents - 5 of which are high sec (38%) - top 5 military agents are all in low sec Caldari Navy: - 13 level 4 agents - 11 of which are high sec (85%) - top 5 military agents, 4 are in high sec Federation Navy: - 15 level 4 agents - 6 of which are high sec (40%) - top 5 military agents, 4 are in low sec Republic Fleet: - 19 level 4 agents - 4 of which are high sec (21%) - top 5 military agents, 3 are in low sec Yes, Caldari missioneers could go to low sec... If there were good lowsec agents!!!! CN has one in Otsasai <-- too central and crowded safety-wise. What else is there? I failed to find a decent Caldari agent in high or low sec. Now look at Amarr, they have truckloads of QL20 agents (in low sec) Caldari has a single QL20 combat agent (in 0.0) in their entire empire. And I mean literally one single one, while Ministry of War have 8 (eight) L4 QL20 in a single corp!!!! Don't talk to me about numbers Caldari have extremely few options and the highest player base. That's why Motsu is overcrowded. For the record, I've already ditched Caldari and gone Amarr, since I have no idea how people manage to do missions in the Motsu lag.
Murberla Mille Plateaux Mare Tranquillitatis	Posted - 2007.06.22 17:27:00 - [57] Originally by: Taevin Let's look at the numbers: Amarr Navy: - 13 level 4 agents - 5 of which are high sec (38%) - top 5 military agents are all in low sec Caldari Navy: - 13 level 4 agents - 11 of which are high sec (85%) - top 5 military agents, 4 are in high sec Federation Navy: - 15 level 4 agents - 6 of which are high sec (40%) - top 5 military agents, 4 are in low sec Republic Fleet: - 19 level 4 agents - 4 of which are high sec (21%) - top 5 military agents, 3 are in low sec nerf caldari navy! grrrr
Khonsu Rest home for Tired Seadogs	Posted - 2007.06.22 17:50:00 - [58] Edited by: Khonsu on 22/06/2007 17:54:00 Caldari have 5 L4 QL20 agents, of which 1 is a military agent Amarr have 76 L4 QL20 agents, and I can't be bothered to check how many are military, but a heck of a lot more than one Gallente 96 Minmatar 16 The entire caldari nation only has 4 realistic options (HIGH quality): Motsu (best agent at +18) Otsasai (bad area of low sec) Isinokka (spacelane patrol <- could be used more) Expert Housing's in 0.0 And you blame the players who to go Motsu?
Murberla Mille Plateaux Mare Tranquillitatis	Posted - 2007.06.22 17:55:00 - [59] Originally by: Khonsu Caldari have 5 L4 QL20 agents, of which 1 is a military agent Amarr have 76 L4 QL20 agents, and I can't be bothered to check how many are military, but a heck of a lot more than one The entire caldari nation only has 4 realistic options (HIGH quality): Motsu (best agent at +18) Otsasai (bad area of low sec) Isinokka (spacelane patrol <- could be used more) Expert Housing's in 0.0 And you blame the players who to go Motsu? you forgot Corporate Police Force's L4 Q18 agent on irjunen, 0.5 sec(and there are no low-sec on 5 jump dist.)
Khonsu Rest home for Tired Seadogs	Posted - 2007.06.22 17:59:00 - [60] Originally by: Murberla Originally by: Khonsu Caldari have 5 L4 QL20 agents, of which 1 is a military agent Amarr have 76 L4 QL20 agents, and I can't be bothered to check how many are military, but a heck of a lot more than one The entire caldari nation only has 4 realistic options (HIGH quality): Motsu (best agent at +18) Otsasai (bad area of low sec) Isinokka (spacelane patrol <- could be used more) Expert Housing's in 0.0 And you blame the players who to go Motsu? you forgot Corporate Police Force's L4 Q18 agent on irjunen, 0.5 sec(and there are no low-sec on 5 jump dist.) Ok, missed that one. Granted, Caldari have the best in high sec, but there aren't really any alternatives to them. You use the high sec ones or you don't do Caldari missions.

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