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Tarquin Grebour	Posted - 2007.06.22 18:07:00 - [61] hey, you know that whole go somewhere else thing? I did it! x4 lvl 4 agents all Q20, x3 lvl 3 agents all Q20 all in same station. And never ever experienced lag there except for eve wide lag just before serversx melt p.s. this is my alt, because I don't fancy ppl finding out where I live
Rafein	Posted - 2007.06.22 18:08:00 - [62] CCP, please fix the problem with Motsu. Simply dropping it's sec to .4 should do it.
Bralstov	Posted - 2007.06.22 18:16:00 - [63] Originally by: Rafein CCP, please fix the problem with Motsu. Simply dropping it's sec to .4 should do it. U are one of those rats who get h... c... when they kill a 5b cnr pve fit with their domi nos ?
Khonsu Rest home for Tired Seadogs	Posted - 2007.06.22 18:17:00 - [64] Originally by: Rafein CCP, please fix the problem with Motsu. Simply dropping it's sec to .4 should do it. Or how about giving Caldari a variety of good lowsec agents to choose from like the other factions have and nerf quality of the Caldari high sec agents to maybe 12 instead of making stupid comments like that.
Rafein	Posted - 2007.06.22 19:35:00 - [65] Originally by: Bralstov Originally by: Rafein CCP, please fix the problem with Motsu. Simply dropping it's sec to .4 should do it. U are one of those rats who get h... c... when they kill a 5b cnr pve fit with their domi nos ? Heh, I'm not a Hardcore PvPer. Everyone is just whinning aimlessly about fixing the lag, and I'm dropping a suggestion that would work. Care of enlighten us how you would fix it??? I mean, there are plenty of high Ql level 4 combat agents in Caldari space, and with high enough state faction, which a level 4 mission runner should probably have, they would be able to run missions for any of them. I can do most level 4 Amarr mission, and I've never run a mission for Amarr in my life. So, unless someone is close to cashing out on something like a Navy Raven, why are they there?
Khonsu Rest home for Tired Seadogs	Posted - 2007.06.22 23:07:00 - [66] Originally by: Khonsu Edited by: Khonsu on 22/06/2007 17:54:00 Caldari have 5 L4 QL20 agents, of which 1 is a military agent Amarr have 76 L4 QL20 agents, and I can't be bothered to check how many are military, but a heck of a lot more than one Gallente 96 Minmatar 16 Am I the only one who thinks these numbers are skewed? Everybody else thinks this is an even distribution? Just curious.
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:01:00 - [67] Originally by: Khonsu Originally by: Khonsu Edited by: Khonsu on 22/06/2007 17:54:00 Caldari have 5 L4 QL20 agents, of which 1 is a military agent Amarr have 76 L4 QL20 agents, and I can't be bothered to check how many are military, but a heck of a lot more than one Gallente 96 Minmatar 16 Am I the only one who thinks these numbers are skewed? Everybody else thinks this is an even distribution? Just curious. No, not really. But I think it's silly to look at L4q20s. Well, maybe not, since too many people doing missions will look at the same thing. (Stupid quality system. ) The more I look at it, the more I think there's a complicated balance to agent distribution, but it's hard to pin down between security, kill/courier, quality, location, concentration, storyline availability, and "stepping stone" L1-3s. The real imbalance to me is just the number of subscribers who are running missions for Caldari. Anyway, just for giggles, here's some more numbers to ponder, that are more meaningful -to me-. I looked at lower quality tiers, and kill agents only. Faction...Total Q10+Kill Agents / HiSec...Total Q0+Kill Agents / HiSec Ama...30/13...43/23 Cal.....20/14...42/32 Gal.....18/6....26/9 Min.....16/6....23/10 Pretty interesting. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Mhaerdirne Solveig Minmatar Combustion Industries	Posted - 2007.06.23 00:06:00 - [68] Edited by: Mhaerdirne Solveig on 23/06/2007 00:07:38 Originally by: Tarquin Grebour I did it! x4 lvl 4 agents all Q20, x3 lvl 3 agents all Q20 all in same station. SURVEY SAYS: YAHYERER I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE DUDE
Tarquin Grebour	Posted - 2007.06.23 01:01:00 - [69] wait... is that you in local?
Arkon Havok	Posted - 2007.06.23 02:50:00 - [70] Right after the first time I went to motsu and ran a lvl4 mission after grinding lvl3s for a while, I packed my crap up and started grinding standings at lvl1 for another corp with a much better agent.
Khonsu Rest home for Tired Seadogs	Posted - 2007.06.23 09:06:00 - [71] Originally by: Tsanse Kinske No, not really. But I think it's silly to look at L4q20s. Well, maybe not, since too many people doing missions will look at the same thing. (Stupid quality system. ) The more I look at it, the more I think there's a complicated balance to agent distribution, but it's hard to pin down between security, kill/courier, quality, location, concentration, storyline availability, and "stepping stone" L1-3s. The real imbalance to me is just the number of subscribers who are running missions for Caldari. Anyway, just for giggles, here's some more numbers to ponder, that are more meaningful -to me-. I looked at lower quality tiers, and kill agents only. Faction...Total Q10+Kill Agents / HiSec...Total Q0+Kill Agents / HiSec Ama...30/13...43/23 Cal.....20/14...42/32 Gal.....18/6....26/9 Min.....16/6....23/10 Pretty interesting. I don't see how that is interesting. It's obvious that people will want the highest quality level possible for their agent. What you are saying is that Caldari should settle for quality 10 agents while the other factions can choose among multiple agents of max level (Minmatar are pretty bad too, granted). You're saying that "Caldari have many mid quality agents and amarr/gallente have many high quality, ERGO it's balanced". I'm sorry, but I'm not buying that Since we're doing numbers, here are the total numbers of level 4 agents of quality 18 or higher: Gallente 123 Amarr 100 Minmatar 38 Caldari 36 Highest population.. fewest good agents The reason I'm doing this is really just because of people complaining about all the agent runners in Motsu. It's the best Caldari agent, and there are VERY VERY few equivalent alternatives. Thus, it's perfectly logical and predictable that people go there. Please stop *****ing about Motsu, CCP wants everybody to go there, or they would have distributed agents more evenly. Personally, I don't care, since I don't use Caldari agents (any more).
Bralstov	Posted - 2007.06.23 09:51:00 - [72] Originally by: Rafein Originally by: Bralstov Originally by: Rafein CCP, please fix the problem with Motsu. Simply dropping it's sec to .4 should do it. U are one of those rats who get h... c... when they kill a 5b cnr pve fit with their domi nos ? Heh, I'm not a Hardcore PvPer. Everyone is just whinning aimlessly about fixing the lag, and I'm dropping a suggestion that would work. Care of enlighten us how you would fix it??? I mean, there are plenty of high Ql level 4 combat agents in Caldari space, and with high enough state faction, which a level 4 mission runner should probably have, they would be able to run missions for any of them. I can do most level 4 Amarr mission, and I've never run a mission for Amarr in my life. So, unless someone is close to cashing out on something like a Navy Raven, why are they there? and why just dont make 2-3 agents q15 in secure space FAR from motsu ? this will take 5 min to a rookie programmer to do that.
Taevin Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.06.23 17:49:00 - [73] Agents, quality level 18 and higher: Amarr Empire: - 102 agents - 22 military agents (22%) Caldari State: - 36 agents - 7 military agents (19%) Gallente Federation: - 123 agents - 21 military agents (17%) Minmatar Republic: - 38 agents - 12 military agents (32%) If you look at it that way, the Gallente have the most Q18+ level 4 agents but also have the lowest percentage of military agents for that classification. Really though, they are fairly balanced with Amarr while Caldari have it the worst, just behind the Minmatar. Of course as another player suggested, the agent distribution is more complex than all this anyway. You could look at it being this way: Caldari are capitalists, interested in trade and wealth, thus it would make sense for them to have a concentration in trade type missions as opposed to military goals. Minmatar, on the other hand, are still trying to fight for the freedom of the their people, thus the higher concentration of military agents in their faction. Of course those reasons, while they seem to be a logical extension of the game's backstory, I just came up with on the spot. In my opinion, equally as likely is that the devs are simply trying to give people an incentive to GET OUT OF CALDARI HIGH SEC SPACE and explore the countless other systems and opportunities the game has to offer. It is truly absurd to me the sheer number of people that both run Caldari missions and only stay in high sec space, so I certainly wouldn't blame them if that was their goal.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:28:00 - [74] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 23/06/2007 18:27:19 Get out of the mission hubs. There is no reason to be there anymore now that the rewards are on a corp basis. Find your corp (Caldari Navy I guess) in another solar system and continue there. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Starfury Shang Pod Industries New Eden Entertainment	Posted - 2007.06.25 09:58:00 - [75] I think the original point of this thread has been lost. Time for a lock?
Krezeb Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.06.25 11:18:00 - [76] Either: 1. Make more high quality lvl 4 mission agents and hope that players will spread out a bit. 2. Give Motsu its own node (like Jita) 3. Give Jita its own server ----- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Better?
Khonsu Rest home for Tired Seadogs	Posted - 2007.06.25 11:39:00 - [77] What it boils down to is that Caldari (and Minmatar to an extent, I guess) agent number/distribution/quality is HOSED. Result: Motsu is full.
Khonsu Rest home for Tired Seadogs	Posted - 2007.06.25 14:06:00 - [78] 1. hose 1. To spray down with machine gun fire. 2. To completely ruin something. That stupid virus hosed my disk drive.

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