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Thgil Goldcore
PIE Inc.
305
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Posted - 2012.01.06 01:03:00 -
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While slated to be a completely private and benign act, this has obviously grown far larger than I conceived. Still, based on how this has turned out, it is my duty to report my findings in regard to the D-Ston and potential terrorist links.
The investigation of the Deciples of Ston was to determine whether or not the Deciples of Ston where, in fact, a humanitarian organization, or a republic military agency. Not being permitted to directly inspect their facilities in any way, I am forced to use only the information that I have available to me. Having reviewed the evidence found thus far I am ready to make my conclusions on the matter.
Deciples of Ston have refused inspection, Garnered support from hostile Republic forces, Preformed multiple breaches of proticol resulting in placing Empire personal in risk, Have conducted themselves greatly opposed to the Empire. Holding slavers for crimes which are not illegal in the empire. And with no clear or redeemable evidence to the contrary...
My findings is that the Deciples of Ston have a high probability of being involved in republic military operations. However there is no evidence of direct involvement with combat operations.
Follows is my recommended course of action to be taken by loyal Empire forces against the Deciples of Ston to weed out hostile forces from Empire space.
It is under my oppinion that the D-ston operations should be haulted within empire space and ships and facilities to be impounded for further investigation. Due to the non-combatant nature of the Deciples of ston, crew death is not advised.
Proper procedure for engaging a D-ston asset is to immobilize it and strip it down to its hull. During this time the pilot should be given the chance to abandon ship. In which case his crew shall be taken into prisoner and questioned. Failing abandoning ship, rights to destroy should be permitted.
Of higher importance is the D-ston facilities, including a prison facility of Amarrian citizens. I would recommend disabling the command center of their facilities and taking all personal on planet as prisoner. Any accurate information about the whereabouts of these facilities shall be rewarded.
It should be remembered that it is illegal to take slaves from non-Amarrian sources. Prisoners whom are found to be innocent of criminal involvement should be released after which time this concludes.
This concludes my investigation report and my recommendation of action against the D-Ston.
For God and Empire Thgil Goldcore Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
"Run and you shall be crushed. Stand and you will fall. Kneel and you will be saved" |

Conventia Underking
Teraa Matar
128
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Posted - 2012.01.06 01:11:00 -
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Oh my, how the mighty have fallen, indeed. For God; Salvation is Imperative, but not at the cost of our Humanity!
Teraa Matar - the Vitoc Problem - Conventia Underking |

Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
379
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Posted - 2012.01.06 01:39:00 -
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Looks like diplomacy was too much effort for you. I suggest you get someone else to do this properly, your report and dare I suggest even the possibility of any investigation ever happenining, is a complete farce.
If you wanted to bully around a non combat neutral organisation, you didn't need to go to such ridiculous lengths. |

Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam Amarr Empire
53
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Posted - 2012.01.06 01:45:00 -
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While I'm genuinely saddened to hear this official recommendation I can't say I'm surprised given the way things progressed. Miss Goldcore professes to only wish to minimize the risk of independent corporations actively working within Imperial borders against the Empire, and I see no reason to doubt her in that regard. However I can't help but notice that the recommended course of action is, by another name, called piracy. Granted piracy and state sponsored interdiction and customs enforcement is essentially the same thing with one group simply having permission. All the same I fear this might inadvertently set some sort of precedent for less reputable people to use and abuse.
This recommendation reminds me of something my grandmother used to say, "Every time you open your mouth to speak, you run the terrible risk of someone listening to you." |

Khazarn Areth
The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance
74
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Posted - 2012.01.06 01:48:00 -
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What a pity, it looks like a bloodbath is inevitable after all....
Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood |

Aphoxema G
Teraa Matar
192
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Posted - 2012.01.06 02:07:00 -
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Wow, I did not see this coming at all. I am just so totally surprised right now. My head, it is spinning from the sheer amazement I am experiencing from these incredibly unlikely events. EVE Online IdeaTorrent |

Half Cocked Jack
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
64
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Posted - 2012.01.06 02:46:00 -
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Quote:Having reviewed the evidence found thus far I am ready to make my conclusions on the matter. ... However there is no evidence...
Beautifully reasoned! I love it when a witch hunt just crams its own absurdity right in your face like that without any guile or shame. You and Vaari should start and act together. I would be an avid follower. |

Sanadras Riahn
Molten Metalworks
9
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Posted - 2012.01.06 02:46:00 -
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Thgil Goldcore wrote: My findings is that the Deciples of Ston have a high probability of being involved in republic military operations. However there is no evidence of direct involvement with combat operations.
Oh, good. I was worried the Disciples of Ston were being condemned. "This is our way of wisdom, warrior. To be true. To be full. To include our hearts in every aspect of what we do. --- Let those that fly cold numbers be the Amarr. We fly better than that."---Alica Wildfire, inscribed on the inside and outer shell of Sanadras' Capsule. |

Kazzzi
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
87
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Posted - 2012.01.06 03:21:00 -
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Thgil Goldcore wrote: It should be remembered that it is illegal to take slaves from non-Amarrian sources.
Can you cite a legit source for this? This isn't some capsuleer urban legend is it? Just asking cause if it is true, then the Imperial Navy considers sovereign Republic space to be an Amarrian source for slaves. |

Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
409
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Posted - 2012.01.06 03:39:00 -
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Thgil Goldcore wrote:While slated to be a completely private and benign act, this has obviously grown far larger than I conceived. Still, based on how this has turned out, it is my duty to report my findings in regard to the D-Ston and potential terrorist links.
The investigation of the Deciples of Ston was to determine whether or not the Deciples of Ston where, in fact, a humanitarian organization, or a republic military agency. Not being permitted to directly inspect their facilities in any way, I am forced to use only the information that I have available to me. Having reviewed the evidence found thus far I am ready to make my conclusions on the matter.
Deciples of Ston have refused inspection, Garnered support from hostile Republic forces, Preformed multiple breaches of proticol resulting in placing Empire personal in risk, Have conducted themselves greatly opposed to the Empire. Holding slavers for crimes which are not illegal in the empire. And with no clear or redeemable evidence to the contrary...
My findings is that the Deciples of Ston have a high probability of being involved in republic military operations. However there is no evidence of direct involvement with combat operations.
Follows is my recommended course of action to be taken by loyal Empire forces against the Deciples of Ston to weed out hostile forces from Empire space.
It is under my oppinion that the D-ston operations should be haulted within empire space and ships and facilities to be impounded for further investigation. Due to the non-combatant nature of the Deciples of ston, crew death is not advised.
Proper procedure for engaging a D-ston asset is to immobilize it and strip it down to its hull. During this time the pilot should be given the chance to abandon ship. In which case his crew shall be taken into prisoner and questioned. Failing abandoning ship, rights to destroy should be permitted.
Of higher importance is the D-ston facilities, including a prison facility of Amarrian citizens. I would recommend disabling the command center of their facilities and taking all personal on planet as prisoner. Any accurate information about the whereabouts of these facilities shall be rewarded.
It should be remembered that it is illegal to take slaves from non-Amarrian sources. Prisoners whom are found to be innocent of criminal involvement should be released after which time this concludes.
This concludes my investigation report and my recommendation of action against the D-Ston.
For God and Empire Thgil Goldcore Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
"Run and you shall be crushed. Stand and you will fall. Kneel and you will be saved"
Oh, this is rich.
You intend to arrest and detain members of a neutral organization based on evidence you weren't able to verify after threatening an illegal search-and-seizure, while imprisoning entire planetary populations and ripping vessels to their spaceframes in search of some nebulous 'enemy of the state' that may exist solely in your own fevered mind?
Good luck. |

Myxx
Atropos Group Blood Right
475
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Posted - 2012.01.06 03:57:00 -
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this does not look good for pie. |

Kentt Em'asep
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.01.06 04:37:00 -
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Myxx wrote:this does not look good for pie.
Seconded. |

Verone
Veto Corp
219
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Posted - 2012.01.06 04:45:00 -
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Thgil Goldcore wrote:... Having reviewed the evidence ...
Thgil Goldcore wrote:... However there is no evidence ...
Want to pass around whatever you're smoking?
Honestly, why even waste the bandwidth on this contradictory tripe.
Verone CEO & Executor Veto Corp WWW.VETO-CORP.COM |

Thgil Goldcore
PIE Inc.
306
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Posted - 2012.01.06 05:28:00 -
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I gave him our demands. Made sure our warnings where clear. Gave plenty of chances to consider his decisions and discuss the matter with me. They made their choice and I intend on following up on what I have established I would do. They have decided to conduct themselves as an enemy to the empire, and thus will be treated as such.
If my investigation was carried out to the fullest extent possible. There is a large chance of error, granted, but with no evidence of their innocence, I am forced to conclude biased on what information I do have. If, in time, they are found to have been innocent the entire time, I will not be apologetic... This was THEIR choice. If they did not wish to withstand the outcome of their choices, they shouldn't have made them in the first place.
Also, I find it amusing that those who are most against this also are the people who are likely receiving weapons or crew from these people. |

Sanadras Riahn
Molten Metalworks
9
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Posted - 2012.01.06 05:53:00 -
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Thgil Goldcore wrote: If my investigation was carried out to the fullest extent possible. There is a large chance of error, granted, but with no evidence of their innocence, I am forced to conclude biased on what information I do have.
They offered you the opportunity to come to their facilities and investigate to your heart's content. The only thing you had to do was attend with a party of the other side of the argument. It sounds like you were going to make them an enemy to the state regardless, and were just hunting for an excuse. And when they called your bluff, you just throw your hands in the air and go "oh well, I tried!"?
If this is a representation of the actual Imperial Crusade, I suggest a new strategy for the Minmatar militia: Stand on your side of the boundry, taunt them with "come get me!", then laugh as they throw their hands in the air and give up, declaring they won because we didn't fight on their terms. "This is our way of wisdom, warrior. To be true. To be full. To include our hearts in every aspect of what we do. --- Let those that fly cold numbers be the Amarr. We fly better than that."---Alica Wildfire, inscribed on the inside and outer shell of Sanadras' Capsule. |

Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
409
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Posted - 2012.01.06 06:00:00 -
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Thgil Goldcore wrote:I gave him our demands. Made sure our warnings where clear. Gave plenty of chances to consider his decisions and discuss the matter with me. They made their choice and I intend on following up on what I have established I would do. They have decided to conduct themselves as an enemy to the empire, and thus will be treated as such.
If my investigation was carried out to the fullest extent possible. There is a large chance of error, granted, but with no evidence of their innocence, I am forced to conclude biased on what information I do have. If, in time, they are found to have been innocent the entire time, I will not be apologetic... This was THEIR choice. If they did not wish to withstand the outcome of their choices, they shouldn't have made them in the first place.
Also, I find it amusing that those who are most against this also are the people who are likely receiving weapons or crew from these people.
You didn't listen to them when they were perfectly amenable to letting your inspection proceed as long as there were representatives of all the involved parties included to maintain accountability.
But again, you don't want accountability. You want to be able to quietly swoop in and enact your Empire's will without any oversight. You want to do an end-run around any laws that don't work to your advantage, and you don't want anyone to see you do it.
Well, guess what? You got caught.
Take it on the chin, Goldcore, because your poorly-built house of cards has just come crashing down. |

Thgil Goldcore
PIE Inc.
306
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Posted - 2012.01.06 06:13:00 -
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It did? I hadn't noticed.
Perhaps it may be because of how irrelevant your opinion is on this matter. Oh no, Enemies of the empire don't like the Empire.
As laid out prior, and apparently ignored. The mere idea of having hostile forces take part of the investigation is absurd. Perhaps a party from the State, that may have been agreeable... But ultimately unnecessary.
At the end of the day, I will get to the bottom of this case and find the truth. If they wish to take it the hard way, so be it. If you read the communications I made every attempt at giving them a fair shake at this. You can read, for yourself since it became public, exactly what was offered and suggested.
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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
48
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Posted - 2012.01.06 07:10:00 -
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tl;dr: ITT (and the other), PIE decides to try and wave its **** around at people to try and look important, instead looking incredibly stupid because it forgot that the mouthpiece chosen to unzip and perform the honor is a woman and therefore lacks a **** to wave.
In any case, I hope PIE learns a lesson from this - if you're going to run around waving your **** at people, it helps to have a **** to wave.
... Of course, I suppose it is possible that Thiggy just forgot to take one out of the secret compartment in her dresser drawer before coming and making a fool herself and her corporation on the IGS in front of everyone - in which case, shame on you, Thiggy, for forgetting that a woman should always be accompanied by one of her best friends.
I'm sure that at least one of the thousands of different ones available would feel much better than the sticks and branches you all seem to be using at the moment. if you need help finding one - links to follow are most certainly not suitable for viewing by or near children or your corpmates/employees, you have been warned - I'd suggest a few places like here, here and here for starters. (That last one has some really nice ones that would go well with the ships in your hangar, no doubt, given the option of 24K gold plating!)
I'm serious, though. Don't click on those links if you'd get in trouble for viewing NSFW (or NSFA, as the case might be given the context) content. Trust me. |

Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.01.06 07:18:00 -
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Thgil Goldcore wrote:I gave him our demands. Made sure our warnings where clear. Gave plenty of chances to consider his decisions and discuss the matter with me. They made their choice and I intend on following up on what I have established I would do. They have decided to conduct themselves as an enemy to the empire, and thus will be treated as such.
If my investigation was carried out to the fullest extent possible. There is a large chance of error, granted, but with no evidence of their innocence, I am forced to conclude biased on what information I do have. If, in time, they are found to have been innocent the entire time, I will not be apologetic... This was THEIR choice. If they did not wish to withstand the outcome of their choices, they shouldn't have made them in the first place.
Also, I find it amusing that those who are most against this also are the people who are likely receiving weapons or crew from these people.
Wow, they'll let any blue pill addled shuttle jockey into PIE now it seems. Surely no sober CONCORD-licensed pilot with an ounce of intelligence, a modicum of tact or a shred of humility would issue forth such a load of utter CRAP.
Goldcore your argument is so full of logical inconsistencies, legal misunderstandings and sheer hubris that it's breathtaking.
PIE used to stand for something. I obviously never agreed with their philosophy but, as a group, they operated with integrity. With this debacle however, they can no longer lay claim to any kind of moral superiority. PIE is now nothing more than a cheap extortion and piracy racket, albeit one with pretty stationery and nice uniforms. |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
658
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Posted - 2012.01.06 10:09:00 -
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The PIE directorate will study this report and its recommendations. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
547
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Posted - 2012.01.06 10:28:00 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote:[...] Of all the things to pick on, of all the things to make fun of, of all these things, you chose ... the sex of Ms. Goldcore? I thought better of you.
I do believe that Ms. Goldcore has learned from the mistakes made in this incident. I think this is her first "outing" as a representative of an old corporation, and mistakes do happen when a new kind of task is taken on. Obviously, the "learning" won't happen in public, so we will not hear about it, but I do think that it will happen.
When the Disciples reported slavers in their "wall of shame", Electus Matari offered to use military means against some of them. The Disciples kindly asked us to refrain from doing so, as they do not believe in violence. We have respected that wish. If this now brings violence to the Disciples, Electus Matari would like to again offer our support. This support does not necessarily need to mean combat. We are happy to teach survival and safe operations during war times as well. Please contact me in private if you wish to discuss this. |

Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
381
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Posted - 2012.01.06 10:42:00 -
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Thgil Goldcore wrote:Also, I find it amusing that those who are most against this also are the people who are likely receiving weapons or crew from these people.
Then hear it from a neutral point of view. You're being an idiot and digging your hole further.
Thgil Goldcore wrote:As laid out prior, and apparently ignored. The mere idea of having hostile forces take part of the investigation is absurd.
It's not absurd they spectate, you just don't like it. Huge difference there, and you've failed to give any logical reason as to why it'd be so crazy a notion. |

Diana Kim
Wolfsbrigade
39
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Posted - 2012.01.06 11:37:00 -
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Uraniae Fehrnah wrote:However I can't help but notice that the recommended course of action is, by another name, called piracy. Well, generally, it is not right. If we take a case of one party attacks another party and confiscates its property during attack, you will name it piracy, if parties aren't hostile to each other and the attack is stimulated by desire of first party to acquire wealth of second party.
But, if a party attacks only those, who are proven enemies of a certain government, you should call them privateers for this government.
And at last, if this party doesn't seek wealth of second party and represents interests of the government, you should call this attack a military operation. |

Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
381
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Posted - 2012.01.06 11:42:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:who are proven enemies of a certain government
Nothing has actually been proven though, this entire report is based on a hunch. |

Kalaratiri
Teraa Matar
81
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Posted - 2012.01.06 12:18:00 -
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I'm a little confused. As far as I was aware, the Disciples of Ston already agreed to letting Ms. Goldcore visit for investigative purposes, and yet here she says they refused her?
Is having some impartial observers along that much of an issue? |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
658
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Posted - 2012.01.06 13:21:00 -
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Kalaratiri wrote:I'm a little confused. As far as I was aware, the Disciples of Ston already agreed to letting Ms. Goldcore visit for investigative purposes, and yet here she says they refused her?
Is having some impartial observers along that much of an issue?
There would have been no issue with impartial observers, but pilots who are current war targets or considered KOS can hardly be described as that. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Kalaratiri
Teraa Matar
81
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Posted - 2012.01.06 14:48:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Kalaratiri wrote:I'm a little confused. As far as I was aware, the Disciples of Ston already agreed to letting Ms. Goldcore visit for investigative purposes, and yet here she says they refused her?
Is having some impartial observers along that much of an issue? There would have been no issue with impartial observers, but pilots who are current war targets or considered KOS can hardly be described as that.
So find some who aren't? There must be someone, somewhere who neither hates, nor supports either the Amarr or the Minmatar? I mean, hell, use the Sisters if you need too. |

Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
5
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Posted - 2012.01.06 16:31:00 -
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I've never got on with the Praetorians. The feeling's fairly mutual - my past is, after all, pretty chequered. But I could at least respect them. Sure I've had more than a few catfights with Fierach, and God knows there's plenty to cast doubt on my status as a good citizen - though I would hope that the last year of loyal service to Kingdom and Empire have done something about that.
But I'm saddened by this. Not just because it feels like a profound waste of Imperial resources, a massive failure on the part of PIE to prioritise and display the good side of the Empire, not just because it displays to the cluster the face that the Matari would paint of us... but because I'm not surprised.
Go ahead. Have your little debacle. Just... next time, try using the common sense God gave you, hmm? Don't you have a war to fight already without worrying about a few potential new recruits? What the hell, in the worst case scenario, could this little group to genuinely effect the Empire in the grand scheme of things?
Prioritise and grow up. |

Jev North
Ghost Festival Naraka.
28
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Posted - 2012.01.06 16:32:00 -
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Kalaratiri wrote:So find some who aren't? There must be someone, somewhere who neither hates, nor supports either the Amarr or the Minmatar? I mean, hell, use the Sisters if you need too. The Sisters are a decent bet, but tend to deal mostly with their own affairs. I can think of a few other parties that have a neutral stance to the issue.. but unfortunately the other parties involved likely won't be neutral towards them. It might actually be easier to try and arrange a situation where everyone has equally sized axes to grind.
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:..it feels like a profound waste of Imperial resources.. I care little for this entire issue, but.. yes, that. If I had this much energy and sheer bloody-mindedness, I'd want to aim it at the large, obvious, proven enemies. You know, do some damage, instead of shadow-boxing with a few pacifist monks. |

Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
381
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Posted - 2012.01.06 16:47:00 -
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Kalaratiri wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Kalaratiri wrote:I'm a little confused. As far as I was aware, the Disciples of Ston already agreed to letting Ms. Goldcore visit for investigative purposes, and yet here she says they refused her?
Is having some impartial observers along that much of an issue? There would have been no issue with impartial observers, but pilots who are current war targets or considered KOS can hardly be described as that. So find some who aren't? There must be someone, somewhere who neither hates, nor supports either the Amarr or the Minmatar? I mean, hell, use the Sisters if you need too.
My concern is any neutral candidate who put their name forward would be dismissed by either side for petty or illogical reasons. |
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