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Fresh Prinz	Posted - 2007.06.25 02:38:00 - [1] Edited by: Fresh Prinz on 25/06/2007 02:47:22 Drone ships as they are today are somewhat slightly more powerful than other ships when it comes to PvP combat. This is a well known fact and most people who play Eve-online know that if you want a really powerful 5mil sp PvP character you just specialise in piloting the dominix. So after considering that they are easy to use there is also the fact that they can be used as a primary weapon on drone ships, and also applying the fact that most drone ships do also get a bonus to another weapon it makes them.. technicly have 2 primary weapons. Unlike most other ships such as the raven or the tempest the dominix has alot of options in how you can fit it in relation to weapons systems and tanks. Options such as; guns, drones, small tank.. making a hugely powerful gank ship. nos, drones, large tank.. making another awesomely powerful gank ship. or even.. long range weapons, drones, and other such modules to give them a ranged advantage. It's quite clear that drones ships much like carriers should not have turret points, can you imagine a Nyx with 5 capital blasters and 20 odd fighters? Drones are considered by most other ships as a secondary weapon or combat utility but for drone ships such as the dominix it's like mount 5 turrets ontop of your already highly powerful 6 turrets, and these get their own HP bar and the ability to instantly switch in combat depending on the users situation. The dominix gets- 100% bonus to drones lvl 5 battleship 25% damage bonus to hybrids lvl 5 battleship 6 guns slots 6 high slots 5 medium slots 7 lows slots 375m3 drone bay 600cpu 9000pg which means it can use... 6 electron blaster II/ Heavy nosferatu mwd webber(optional depending on drones used) scrammer cap booster(optional depending on nos used) 1 spare mid slot 2 LAR 2 eanm II 1 dc II 2 RCU II 7 heavy attack drones 5 heavy utility drones (optionaly e-war) 5 med drones 5 light drones and 3 rigs... with all the trimmings this ship has alot options in combat, sheild tanking, armour tanking, primary weapon options, nos... etc The dominix is far more powerful compared to most other drone boats such as the carriers, pilgrim, ishtar.. and even the myrm with it's lack of hybrid bonus. Get nos, the most powerful PvP weapon in eve (the ability to steal someone elses hp and add it to your own) and the ability to use a large damage weapon along side it and you have a highly powerful weapon that is unmatched by any other. so my question is.. why does the domi get 2 primary weapon systems at all times, as well as the option of heavy nos, a large range of drones, a good tank, and which ever damage types it chooses.. when all other ships get 1 primary weapon system and a secondary weapon system... should the domi be reduced to 3 high slots since it is a teir 1 battleship with 18 slots and 375 drone bay? Trolls, flames, and carebears are welcome to post here.
StinkFinger Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.06.25 02:43:00 - [2] No. Originally by: Tuxford Needy needy people I'll try to make some stuff up
Fresh Prinz	Posted - 2007.06.25 02:43:00 - [3] Originally by: StinkFinger No. care to elaborate?
StinkFinger Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.06.25 02:45:00 - [4] Originally by: Fresh Prinz Originally by: StinkFinger No. care to elaborate? Nope. Originally by: Tuxford Needy needy people I'll try to make some stuff up
Fresh Prinz	Posted - 2007.06.25 02:45:00 - [5] Originally by: StinkFinger Originally by: Fresh Prinz Originally by: StinkFinger No. care to elaborate? Nope. k
watersnake	Posted - 2007.06.25 02:48:00 - [6] a carrier with blasters would be a laugh im sure most dual rep doms only have 1-2 heavy nos and 4 medium nos anyway go fly one and realise it takes pilot skill as well to kill with it, just buying and fitting a dom with your fitout wont guarantee invincibility.
Fresh Prinz	Posted - 2007.06.25 02:50:00 - [7] Originally by: watersnake a carrier with blasters would be a laugh im sure most dual rep doms only have 1-2 heavy nos and 4 medium nos anyway go fly one and realise it takes pilot skill as well to kill with it, just buying and fitting a dom with your fitout wont guarantee invincibility. i have gallente bs 5 and pilot the domi regularly.. i find it's amazing abilities over nearly every other bs in PvP shocking.
50freefly Caldari Purify United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.25 02:51:00 - [8] Edited by: 50freefly on 25/06/2007 02:51:49 Nope... Very very bad idea... Trust me you'll just take away the only way to use the domi the right way, most people already just use nos on the domi... Taking away of the turret slots is the last thing the domi needs. Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right. And they never meet.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.25 02:52:00 - [9] Reducing it to 4 high slots ( same with myrmidon) would be nothign but fair! If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Skraeling Shortbus Caldari Gallente Federal Bank	Posted - 2007.06.25 02:52:00 - [10] fresh are you a "murder one" alt?
Fresh Prinz	Posted - 2007.06.25 02:54:00 - [11] Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus fresh are you a "murder one" alt?
50freefly Caldari Purify United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.25 02:54:00 - [12] Edited by: 50freefly on 25/06/2007 02:53:10 Originally by: Kagura Nikon Reducing it to 4 high slots ( same with myrmidon) would be nothign but fair! Only if it gets an extra 2 lowslots. Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right. And they never meet.
Fresh Prinz	Posted - 2007.06.25 02:57:00 - [13] Originally by: 50freefly Edited by: 50freefly on 25/06/2007 02:53:10 Originally by: Kagura Nikon Reducing it to 4 high slots ( same with myrmidon) would be nothign but fair! Only if it gets an extra 2 lowslots. by that logic the raven should have 8 launcher slots just to balance out the dps differnce.
ArtemisEntreri Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.25 03:17:00 - [14] Originally by: Fresh Prinz Originally by: 50freefly Edited by: 50freefly on 25/06/2007 02:53:10 Originally by: Kagura Nikon Reducing it to 4 high slots ( same with myrmidon) would be nothign but fair! Only if it gets an extra 2 lowslots. by that logic the raven should have 8 launcher slots just to balance out the dps differnce. It should have seven, but if you want to look at balance, bthron dps is more on paper and in practice than a dominix
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.25 04:59:00 - [15] Originally by: Fresh Prinz Originally by: StinkFinger Originally by: Fresh Prinz Originally by: StinkFinger No. care to elaborate? Nope. k The OP is so ridiculous that it doesn't warrant an explanation as to why it's absurd. BUYING ZAINOU 'DEADEYE' ZGL1000 IMPLANTS, PAYING WELL, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.25 05:00:00 - [16] Originally by: Fresh Prinz Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus fresh are you a "murder one" alt? LOL indeed. BUYING ZAINOU 'DEADEYE' ZGL1000 IMPLANTS, PAYING WELL, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME
Rafein	Posted - 2007.06.25 05:20:00 - [17] how about we just remove the Hybrid bonus, and replace it with, eh, a Dampener bonus would look hellva nice there.
jamesw Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.06.25 06:04:00 - [18] The Domi has lots of slots, but it gets "balanced" out in other ways. Take, for example, some powergrid stats: Dominix Grid: 9000 Armageddon Grid: 16500 Typhoon: 12500 Megathron: 15500 Small difference, no? -- Latest Vid: Domination!
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.06.25 06:08:00 - [19] Edited by: Akita T on 25/06/2007 06:08:46 Originally by: Rafein how about we just remove the Hybrid bonus, and replace it with, eh, a Dampener bonus would look hellva nice there. I have the evilest of ideas. Replace the 5% large hybrid damage bonus with either +50 m^3 dronebay or with +10 km drone control range per level. 625m dronebay or 110km drone control range at L5 BS Char creation guide \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Mo adib	Posted - 2007.06.25 07:16:00 - [20] you may find it amusing when you face a truly threatening gank bs that melts your nos domi to scrap both before you cap out and before your reppers have much of a chance to do anything :p its a ship thats commonly used to disable your opponent while providing a steady supply of dmg, that is always gonna be an effective strategy in any form of combat however there are also always other things that kill that well.
Gabriel Karade Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.25 07:30:00 - [21] It's got the smallest powergrid of any Battleship out there. That is how it's balanced. To fit the smallest tier of large blasters and one large armour repairer requires a Tech 2 RCU unless you rig it up the wazoo with current routers, doubling the price of the ship. Oh and nos, drones, and tank does not a gank ship make... Fix nosferatu, the Dominix is fine as is, it's just these cookie-cutter setups that need nuking back to the stoneage. ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'

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Imaos	Posted - 2007.06.25 07:46:00 - [23] Originally by: Fresh Prinz The dominix gets- 100% bonus to drones lvl 5 battleship so my question is.. why does the domi get 2 primary weapon systems at all times, as well as the option of heavy nos, a large range of drones, a good tank, and which ever damage types it chooses.. when all other ships get 1 primary weapon system and a secondary weapon system... should the domi be reduced to 3 high slots since it is a teir 1 battleship with 18 slots and 375 drone bay? Trolls, flames, and carebears are welcome to post here. In case we get 100% drone damage bonus they should drop the hybrid bonus. Last time I checked 5*10% gave 50% bonus. All out drone bonus > 1/2 hybrid, 1/2 drone. The ship is very flexible, but the PG prevents effective use of both boni. So we are back to split weapon systems. Btw Typhoon also gets split weapon system boni . And the tempest you mention gets 2 boni to the same weapon system (and 6 of 8 slots can use that). Imaos
n0thing omen. D-L	Posted - 2007.06.25 07:56:00 - [24] I laughed. 3 high slots? Ok, then, how about making typhoon only with 6 high slots since it has bonus to 2 weapons systems AND can fir 7 Heavy Drones. What bigger drone range are you talking about? You need drone augmentor to increase range, domi doesnt have that bonus. Also, you know what kinda skills you need to effectively use the blaster setup you provided? Im not even gonna count amount of fitting lvl V`s you need for it. Oh and never ever ever compare BS to lower class like Ishtar and Pilgrim. Also, yes, nosfs are in need fo fix. But its not the darn ship`s fault. Take a look at Typhoon, its as versatile as Domi yet has 8 EIGHT weapon slots AND a 7 Heavy T2 drones. Hence with same skills as needed to fit a domi you can fit an absolutely same Typhoon that has more speed, less cap used and better layout. ---
Chi Quan Jade Phoenix Deutschland Event-Horizon	Posted - 2007.06.25 08:09:00 - [25] Quote: Drone ships as they are... see that's the catch, if someone takes the time to focus on the drones first, the domi is nothing but a sitting mosquito. but, due to classic ui setups nobody will ever care to target the drones. take away the the drones and the droneship will warp out, or die if the pilot is dumb. -- Tempus fugit --
Neuromandis Novastorm Inc Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.25 09:33:00 - [26] The OP may be taking it a little too far (3 high slots??) and have a few inaccuracies (50% bonus to dmg, not 100%), but I think he has a point. Drones with damage bonus are like free, pre-fitted high slots, ESPECIALLY if you have multiple flights, which basically baptises the drones invulnerable (it's stupid to even try to shoot them unless you have small/medium weapons - but then you're deaad anyway from the NOS aren't you?) Not at a 1-for-1 ratio, but they sure as hell are. IMO the Dominix should have 5 highslots at most, probably 4, to make up for the fact of the 5 double hp, x1.5 damage drones. And whoever believes he can shoot down a Domi's its drones, should try to hit them first with BS sized weapons (we ARE comparin BS to BS eh?), then remember that they are double hp, and lastly that there are multiple flights of them. Finally he should try to lock them while damped. Hilarious. As far as the Typhoon comparison goes: First, there is no double bonus, and no 6 same weapon bonuses. It has 4 missiles and 4 guns with a single bonus to each, the rest is vivid imagination. Only the Typhoons weapon systems BOTH need damage mods, take grid and cpu... The domi is no split weapon system - or rather, it is the kind of split weapon system the rest should be like, because it works fine. It just needs less highslots (NOT to be replaced with anything else - they should be the cost for its dronebay...) 6 are too many taking into consideration 5 x 1.5 heavy drones (with interfacing 5 doubling their damage) or even 5x 1.5 SENTRY t2 drones. It is just too much.
Neuromandis Novastorm Inc Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.25 09:34:00 - [27] Originally by: Chi Quan Quote: Drone ships as they are... see that's the catch, if someone takes the time to focus on the drones first, the domi is nothing but a sitting mosquito. but, due to classic ui setups nobody will ever care to target the drones. take away the the drones and the droneship will warp out, or die if the pilot is dumb. No. Read above.
Corwain Gallente Zero Team	Posted - 2007.06.25 10:43:00 - [28] Edited by: Corwain on 25/06/2007 10:42:10 Originally by: Fresh Prinz 6 electron blaster II/ Heavy nosferatu mwd webber(optional depending on drones used) scrammer cap booster(optional depending on nos used) 1 spare mid slot 2 LAR 2 eanm II 1 dc II 2 RCU II 7 heavy attack drones 5 heavy utility drones (optionaly e-war) 5 med drones 5 light drones and 3 rigs... OK, first of all: worst setup ever. It only gets around 750-800dps, has pitifully low armor to the point that your reppers aren't gonna work fast enough to tank a gank ship for very long at all. You're wasting your low slots on RCUs instead of Magstab IIs. Finally I have no idea why you put 6 Electron IIs/Heavy nos as you can only fit 2-3 Heavy nos in that config (wasting your lows on RCU IIs) the rest would need to be medium. Try this, a bit pricey with the rig, but it has its advantages over the mega (CPU for one after Rev II) and isn't more pricey (unless you're counting insurance payouts): 6x Electron Blaster Cannon II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II 2x Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Large Armor Repairer II 2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 2x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Rigs : Ancillary Current Router I \ Trimark Armor Pump I \ Trimark Armor Pump I \ EDIT: Oh yeah, my setup does 900-1000dps.
Bazan Kor STK Scientific M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.06.25 10:55:00 - [29] Edited by: Bazan Kor on 25/06/2007 11:04:34 Edited by: Bazan Kor on 25/06/2007 10:54:12 Originally by: Corwain Edited by: Corwain on 25/06/2007 10:42:10 OK, first of all: worst setup ever. It only gets around 750-800dps, has pitifully low armor to the point that your reppers aren't gonna work fast enough to tank a gank ship for very long at all. You're wasting your low slots on RCUs instead of Magstab IIs. Finally I have no idea why you put 6 Electron IIs/Heavy nos as you can only fit 2-3 Heavy nos in that config (wasting your lows on RCU IIs) the rest would need to be medium. Try this, a bit pricey with the rig, but it has its advantages over the mega (CPU for one after Rev II) and isn't more pricey (unless you're counting insurance payouts): 6x Electron Blaster Cannon II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II 2x Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Large Armor Repairer II 2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 2x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Rigs : Ancillary Current Router I \ Trimark Armor Pump I \ Trimark Armor Pump I \ EDIT: Oh yeah, my setup does 900-1000dps. You can even drop the pg rig if you use a named rep and mwd instead of t2. Helps keep the cost of the ship down as they cost 30m anyway. It also means you can add another trimark which gives another 2k armor. Very nice setup though :)
Mathias Orsen	Posted - 2007.06.25 11:16:00 - [30] Really is alot than can be said on this one. As far as the double weapon systems, geddon is a tier 1, has it's bonuses dedicated to one weapon, and can pound out alot more damage than any domi fit. If a domi does happen to fit for enough gank that it can outdamage a geddon, then it's armor would fall just as fast as it's shields do. It could put out alot of damage but not survive long enough to do the job. As far as domi with nosf + tank... Hyperion can have more nosf, better tank, and more damage than the nosf domi. All while at this time the hyperion puts less drain on it's own cap, due to things like not needed to run more than one repper against a domi and more capacitor capacity. Against a hype with 4 heavy nosf, the domi won't be able to get the cap it needs to run both reppers. The point is still not forgotten though... the domi is tier 1 vs a tier 3. Any BS however can fit for low damage, high tank, plenty of nosf. The Nosf would be the problem, not the Domi itself. People use the domi because nosf works. It works to run the tank against a gank ship, It works to counter other Nosf ships. It's much better to have a nosf ship if your gonna get in fights with other nosf ships. -------------------------------------- ---"What's in your wallet?"--- "There are two kinds of respect, fear and admiration.... I'll take what I can get"

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