Originally by: Neesa Corrinne

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I couldn't agree with you more about this. Every time I open one account, close it and then open one of my other accounts, I have to completely rework all of my settings.

This isn't just annoying, it's unacceptable and needs to be reworked as soon as the exploits have been dealt with.

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Originally by: Andrue

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The reason this is being done is because the Windows security model is based in part on preventing casual access to program installations. This is a sensible idea. The only time any program should need to write into its installation directory is when it is installed. At that time the OS should insist on some kind of validation - at least a login dialog, ideally a physical key that has to be turned to enable 'maintennance mode'.

Under early versions of Windows (and XP when you're logged in as Administrator like 99% of people are) any application can modify anything under \Program Files\ any time it wants. Viruses, trojans and other malware can all happily hack and abuse your installed applications.

Under Vista and XP (if like me you normally run as a limited user) nothing can write to those directories without gaining elevated privileges - something that requires a dialog box at least once.

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Originally by: Iyanah

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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne

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I couldn't agree with you more about this. Every time I open one account, close it and then open one of my other accounts, I have to completely rework all of my settings.

This isn't just annoying, it's unacceptable and needs to be reworked as soon as the exploits have been dealt with.

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why on earth do you need completely different settings for different accounts? honestly? does one of your alts just have to listen to music whilst the other one hates it? does one of your alts have to run at a higher resolution?

there's no need to have different settings for multiple accounts, the only thing that changes really is how you use the overview, and you can save different settings for that, you know.

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Originally by: Chribba

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let us do '/datapath=X:\EVE\Client827' for our setting/cache/data needs!

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Originally by: Andrue

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Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight

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God i have to agree who the hell cares what M$ wants to do with my pc its my pc and i will install eve where i like run in admin mode 24/7 if i like and put my god dam files where i like, some sort of warning would have been nice.

Personally i will be staying away from vista till forced to use the dam thing, its ME only in 2007 only this time it doing aload of crap i never asked it to do.

And yes i have used vista where thinking about moving are 450 pc network over to it, but i have manged to delay that by at least 2 years (thankg god).

I have now have eveil files all over the palce, you think ccp could have reliased that trying to move my 350 meg of game logs and screen dumps to a drive with less than 100 meg of free space on it was not going to work out.

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I bet you refuse to wear a seatbelt when you're in a vehicle as well don't you? Continue to smoke? Drink way too much?

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/****ed off with change for the sake of change.

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These changes are the result of Microsoft trying to help protect people. For too long software development companies have abused Microsoft's lax security model. Now, at long last, Microsoft are trying to put their house in order. Unfortunately they're having to drag other developers into the modern world and that means changing industry practice. Placing data under an installation directory is poor practice and that means a lot of applications need to change.

Logging in to use a computer as an administrator is utter stupidity if it isn't necessary. With Windows XP MS finally gave us a viable (not perfect, but viable) security model. Do you complain about the hassle of locking your house when you go out? Meh. From the sound of it you probably do.

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Originally by: Hoshi

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LUA stands for "Least-privileged User Account".

Basically an account that has just enough privileges to do what it needs to do and nothing else. It doesn't "need" to write in the program files sub directory so it doesn't have the right to do it.

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Edited by: CCP Explorer on 25/06/2007 23:58:00

Originally by: Andrue

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You don't need multiple Eve installs to run multiple accounts concurrently. I've been running two accounts for over three years and always done so from the one folder. The only time I have more than one Eve folder is when I have a Sisi patch.

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You're absolutely right here. If you are only connecting to Tranquility then you can and I would recommend that you use a single client. The EVE client handles multiple accounts (and therefore 3x multiple characters) and you don't need to make any changes from the default install so long as you are only connecting to Tranquility. The only settings that are then being shared between the accounts are the audio settings and the main program window settings.

Only if you are connecting to our test servers, Singularity or Multiplicity, then you need multiple clients, since those server are running different versions than Tranquility. But then you also have to use "/end /LUA:OFF" or examine this thread (a re-direct approach to multiple clients) or this thread (a "multiple Windows users, set 'run with different credentials' for each client" approach to multiple clients; top part of post) to keep the clients separate.

Originally by: Andrue

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The reason this is being done is because the Windows security model is based in part on preventing casual access to program installations. This is a sensible idea. The only time any program should need to write into its installation directory is when it is installed.

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Which is exactly why we were forced to make this change. The data and settings files should never have been stored in the Program Files folder anyway (not even on Windows 2000 and Windows XP). Windows Vista enforces that programs don't write into the Program Files folder and Windows Vista users are by now a sizeable part of the EVE community. We didn't have much choice in making this change.

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Originally by: Hugh Ruka

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I am running EVE from an USB drive that I move between computers. Now I have to be very carefull not to nuke my settings and I have NO possibility NOT to polute all the different machines My Documents folder with EVE crap. I have to manualy delete the created folder afterwards loosing the capture data created during the session (or again manualy copy back).

You have plenty options to configure this. Either a command line switch (as suggested by Chribba, or the one inmplete configuration you made) or a per account/server setting directory, so we can safely move the data manualy (as in my situation), detecting if the move is needed at all (if vista then move, else do nothing) etc.

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eve.exe /end /LUA:OFF
rd /q /s "%USERPROFILE%\My Documents\EVE"

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Originally by: Apertotes

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Originally by: Pilk

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USB drive fix.

Which, coincidentally, also solves pretty much every other problem mentioned so far in this thread.

But who am I kidding? Nobody reads to page 3.

--P

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hey pilk, i read to page 3, as many others. the problem is that many of us do not understand anything about that solution, and i do not like creating shortcuts that i do not really know what they do.

CCP should understand that the big part of the players arent computer tecnicians and that the mainstream solution can not depend on some random post on the forums.

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Originally by: Presidente Gallente

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Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 27/06/2007 20:30:50
READ THIS!

I did some hours try and error when Rev II came out.
This works perfect for me now.

I do sync by USB Stick all necessary settings on 2 computers.
Till now I have no problems so far.

But I agree. That new structure sucks! It also mixes SISI logs now with the TQ logs. Crap.
Well ... it was made to prevent that a new installation kills all logs and settings.
We need a simple pref setting for those folder pathes. Why is CCP such complicated in that case?

Pres G

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Originally by: Apertotes

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ok, lots of helpful replies. i just would like to know one thing.

even with those esoteric commands (/end /LUA:OFF), EVE keeps creating a folder on "My documents" for logs and captures.

it seems there is a solution to this using a little program.

is there any other way? i am not going to use a program from someone i do not know and that isnt sanctioned by CCP, so, if any dev is watching, any way to refrain EVE from creating a folder on "My documents"?

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Originally by: Jitagirl

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For the crybabies that whine about the EVE folder in my documents (Thinking before complaining is hard)

runeve.bat

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eve.exe /end /LUA:OFF
DON'T RUN THISrd /q /s "%USERPROFILE%\My Documents\EVE"

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DON'T RUN THISrd /q /s might wipe half of your partition if you have admin rights and are careless.

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Originally by: Pilk

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Originally by: Apertotes

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ok, lots of helpful replies. i just would like to know one thing.

even with those esoteric commands (/end /LUA:OFF), EVE keeps creating a folder on "My documents" for logs and captures.

it seems there is a solution to this using a little program.

is there any other way? i am not going to use a program from someone i do not know and that isnt sanctioned by CCP, so, if any dev is watching, any way to refrain EVE from creating a folder on "My documents"?

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Originally by: Jitagirl

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For the crybabies that whine about the EVE folder in my documents (Thinking before complaining is hard)

runeve.bat

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eve.exe /end /LUA:OFF
DON'T RUN THISrd /q /s "%USERPROFILE%\My Documents\EVE"

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DON'T RUN THISrd /q /s might wipe half of your partition if you have admin rights and are careless.

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(my green)

That would delete your logs after every time you run Eve. That's bad mojo!

Please use this to keep your installations' logs files (and caches) separate.

--P

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Originally by: Windle Poons

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Originally by: Pilk

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Originally by: Apertotes

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ok, lots of helpful replies. i just would like to know one thing.

even with those esoteric commands (/end /LUA:OFF), EVE keeps creating a folder on "My documents" for logs and captures.

it seems there is a solution to this using a little program.

is there any other way? i am not going to use a program from someone i do not know and that isnt sanctioned by CCP, so, if any dev is watching, any way to refrain EVE from creating a folder on "My documents"?

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Originally by: Jitagirl

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For the crybabies that whine about the EVE folder in my documents (Thinking before complaining is hard)

runeve.bat

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eve.exe /end /LUA:OFF
DON'T RUN THISrd /q /s "%USERPROFILE%\My Documents\EVE"

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DON'T RUN THISrd /q /s might wipe half of your partition if you have admin rights and are careless.

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(my green)

That would delete your logs after every time you run Eve. That's bad mojo!

Please use this to keep your installations' logs files (and caches) separate.

--P

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The script only affects the location of the Cache folder, which is then ignored by starting EVE with the LUA:OFF anyway. Logs and capture still end up in My Documents path which is read directly from the registry, setting an environmental variable doesn't affect this location. Use procmon and you can see the reg keys being read. All this seems to do is copy a moved cache back and start EVE.

If you just want seperate installs then have multiple EVE folders and start them with the /end /LUA:OFF nothing more to it. Want seperate log/capture folders and you are going to have to alter the reg keys.

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Originally by: Nobues

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Edited by: Nobues on 27/06/2007 22:10:22
dude your are all missing one key point, dont edit crap you dont have to spend hours of programming to fix anything, you dont have to go out and spend 1000000 bucks on new hardware.. JUST CLEAR YOUR OLD DAMN CACHE DELETE the folder it self..

Oh OMG WOW!!! FIXED.. read people read.. stop being stupid.

edit: before you say it doenst work TRY IT..

stupid people who dont need to play eve.

JUST DELETE OLD CACHE FOLDER AND IT FIX'S ALL!

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Originally by: Pilk

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I'm sorry, but that's incorrect. My script moves it all, baby!

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Originally by: Nobues

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Edited by: Nobues on 27/06/2007 22:10:22
dude your are all missing one key point, dont edit crap you dont have to spend hours of programming to fix anything, you dont have to go out and spend 1000000 bucks on new hardware.. JUST CLEAR YOUR OLD DAMN CACHE DELETE the folder it self..

Oh OMG WOW!!! FIXED.. read people read.. stop being stupid.

edit: before you say it doenst work TRY IT..

stupid people who dont need to play eve.

JUST DELETE OLD CACHE FOLDER AND IT FIX'S ALL!

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Originally by: Windle Poons

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Originally by: Nobues

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Edited by: Nobues on 27/06/2007 22:10:22
dude your are all missing one key point, dont edit crap you dont have to spend hours of programming to fix anything, you dont have to go out and spend 1000000 bucks on new hardware.. JUST CLEAR YOUR OLD DAMN CACHE DELETE the folder it self..

Oh OMG WOW!!! FIXED.. read people read.. stop being stupid.

edit: before you say it doenst work TRY IT..

stupid people who dont need to play eve.

JUST DELETE OLD CACHE FOLDER AND IT FIX'S ALL!

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Essentially this is all thats needed to fix EVE+SISI clients. When you use the LUA option and delete the cache from Local Settings, everything should be fine. In fact, if you just add the LUA to both, you don't even need to delete the cache as they will start with a blank one back in their own directories or whatever was left there.

I am mostly interested in Having muiltiple accounts running that log to seperate folders which was fine before the change.

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Originally by: Windle Poons

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Originally by: Pilk

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I'm sorry, but that's incorrect. My script moves it all, baby!

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Where?

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Originally by: Imhothar Xarodit

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Devs themselves admitted you will have problems when running Tq and Sisi clients.

What I don't like about this change was, that nobody asked me if I wanted to move the files. I don't allow any program to write stuff on my windows partition, especially not when its 1000 little chat log files and screen shots which simply clutter the partition unnecessarily.

They did it because of compatibility issues. Guess what, I never had compatibility issues on my XP machine with EVE.

Would it be too much to ask for a "Move files to My Documents and Local settings to solve compability issues?" dialog box on EVE's first start instead of immediately moving tons of files (some people say they have GBs of screenshots) without permission or even a progress bar (that was really highly unacceptable)? If selected "No", mark it in prefs.ini and use the old system. That would be a great step towards usability and support.

I don't want Mycrosoft to tell me where my screenshots, logs and settings should be saved, I want to specify that and I want to have all EVE related files in one directory and not scattered somewhere in the windows partition, because it is my PC and not Microsoft's!

A simple yes/no dialog for those people who really have compatibility issues and those who don't would be a much much much better solution than forcing all files to somwhere where alot of people didn't want them (and CCP knew this before Rev 2 from several threads).

The /end /LUA:OFF swith doesn't even work properly, as my chat logs and screenshots are still stuck in My Documents.

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Originally by: Nobues

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Originally by: Windle Poons

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Originally by: Nobues

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Edited by: Nobues on 27/06/2007 22:10:22
dude your are all missing one key point, dont edit crap you dont have to spend hours of programming to fix anything, you dont have to go out and spend 1000000 bucks on new hardware.. JUST CLEAR YOUR OLD DAMN CACHE DELETE the folder it self..

Oh OMG WOW!!! FIXED.. read people read.. stop being stupid.

edit: before you say it doenst work TRY IT..

stupid people who dont need to play eve.

JUST DELETE OLD CACHE FOLDER AND IT FIX'S ALL!

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Essentially this is all thats needed to fix EVE+SISI clients. When you use the LUA option and delete the cache from Local Settings, everything should be fine. In fact, if you just add the LUA to both, you don't even need to delete the cache as they will start with a blank one back in their own directories or whatever was left there.

I am mostly interested in Having muiltiple accounts running that log to seperate folders which was fine before the change.

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I run 4 accounts 1 computer I have changed nothing but deleted my own cache folders and I can run all 4 clients, with different setting, and WOW they stay I dont have to reset them everytime.. Like I said try it before posting..

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Originally by: Pilk

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Originally by: Windle Poons

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Originally by: Pilk

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I'm sorry, but that's incorrect. My script moves it all, baby!

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Where?

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Check the link; it's a screenshot of where it moves your logs.

--P

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Originally by: Windle Poons

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Originally by: Pilk

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Originally by: Windle Poons

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Originally by: Pilk

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I'm sorry, but that's incorrect. My script moves it all, baby!

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Where?

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Check the link; it's a screenshot of where it moves your logs.

--P

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Where in the script does it move the logs? How does it move them? I can tell you that their location is not affected by the Userprofile path, I tried that weeks ago.

As I have nothing in my Local Settings (they are all using the LUA option), it did nothing.

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Originally by: Apertotes

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Pilk, i thank you a lot for posting and linking your solution, but you must understand that until someone from CCP says it is ok to use it (like they did with EVEMon), i am not gonna install it.

it is not your fault, of course, i just do not like doing things on my computer that i do not really know how they work or what can they do to my system.

still, my question remains. is there any way to refrain EVE from creating a folder for logs and captures on "My documents" without using any external program?

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