Originally by: Apertotes

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so, CCP, how can we, the few XP users you still have as costumers, get back our old functionality?

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Originally by: General Xerxes

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Originally by: Apertotes

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so, CCP, how can we, the few XP users you still have as costumers, get back our old functionality?

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I'll be very surprised if there are only a few XP users left, we're most likely the majority.

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Originally by: CCP Arkanon

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We're a company of professionals, not some LAN party gone bad.

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Originally by: General Xerxes

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I'll be very surprised if there are only a few XP users left, we're most likely the majority.

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Originally by: Lady Natacha

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Originally by: General Xerxes

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I'll be very surprised if there are only a few XP users left, we're most likely the majority.

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I only just recently upgraded to XP from WIN2K which I was perfectly happy with other than it would not recognize my shiny new dual core CPU correctly. You can bet I will be waiting for whatever comes after VISTA before I will consider upgrading. By then, it may not even be a MS product.

VISTA = Windows ME in 2007.

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Originally by: General Xerxes

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Originally by: Apertotes

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so, CCP, how can we, the few XP users you still have as costumers, get back our old functionality?

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I'll be very surprised if there are only a few XP users left, we're most likely the majority.

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Originally by: JoDirt

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From a windows programing standpoint it is "Best practice" to place this kind of content in the My Documents folder. Even for XP. Sloppy habits started back with win95 this is a correction of that sloppy habit. They just need to organize it a better.

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Originally by: JoDirt

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From a windows programing standpoint it is "Best practice" to place this kind of content in the My Documents folder. Even for XP. Sloppy habits started back with win95 this is a correction of that sloppy habit. They just need to organize it a better.

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Originally by: Derovius Vaden

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Originally by: JoDirt

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From a windows programing standpoint it is "Best practice" to place this kind of content in the My Documents folder. Even for XP. Sloppy habits started back with win95 this is a correction of that sloppy habit. They just need to organize it a better.

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Too bad that the windows profile goes down like a drunk prom date when it gets to be over 6-7 gigs in size. This so called "best practice" is equivalent of digging your own XP grave.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: JoDirt

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From a windows programing standpoint it is "Best practice" to place this kind of content in the My Documents folder. Even for XP. Sloppy habits started back with win95 this is a correction of that sloppy habit. They just need to organize it a better.

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Placing anything in a folder which Windows XP may very well nuke if and when it has a spaz attack is not best practice.

Distributing a program's data over multiple folders outside of the directory structure you indicated it was to use is not best practice.

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Originally by: JoDirt

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: JoDirt

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From a windows programing standpoint it is "Best practice" to place this kind of content in the My Documents folder. Even for XP. Sloppy habits started back with win95 this is a correction of that sloppy habit. They just need to organize it a better.

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Placing anything in a folder which Windows XP may very well nuke if and when it has a spaz attack is not best practice.

Distributing a program's data over multiple folders outside of the directory structure you indicated it was to use is not best practice.

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Actually it is best practice because of the way the permissions work in Vista (UAC). CCP is taking the best approach imo. They are cleaning up their client for vista so we don't get prompted for trivial tasks. Which is the way it should be.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: JoDirt

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: JoDirt

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From a windows programing standpoint it is "Best practice" to place this kind of content in the My Documents folder. Even for XP. Sloppy habits started back with win95 this is a correction of that sloppy habit. They just need to organize it a better.

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Placing anything in a folder which Windows XP may very well nuke if and when it has a spaz attack is not best practice.

Distributing a program's data over multiple folders outside of the directory structure you indicated it was to use is not best practice.

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Actually it is best practice because of the way the permissions work in Vista (UAC). CCP is taking the best approach imo. They are cleaning up their client for vista so we don't get prompted for trivial tasks. Which is the way it should be.

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A) This is XP. Are ifthenelse 2hard?

B) Cleaning up? They are making it horribly disorganized. See all the people running around "going WTF are my files?". Windows/Microsoft says to do it this way? Windows says a lot of things.

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Originally by: JoDirt

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: JoDirt

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: JoDirt

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From a windows programing standpoint it is "Best practice" to place this kind of content in the My Documents folder. Even for XP. Sloppy habits started back with win95 this is a correction of that sloppy habit. They just need to organize it a better.

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Placing anything in a folder which Windows XP may very well nuke if and when it has a spaz attack is not best practice.

Distributing a program's data over multiple folders outside of the directory structure you indicated it was to use is not best practice.

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Actually it is best practice because of the way the permissions work in Vista (UAC). CCP is taking the best approach imo. They are cleaning up their client for vista so we don't get prompted for trivial tasks. Which is the way it should be.

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A) This is XP. Are ifthenelse 2hard?

B) Cleaning up? They are making it horribly disorganized. See all the people running around "going WTF are my files?". Windows/Microsoft says to do it this way? Windows says a lot of things.

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Well people also run around *****ing about being prompted for stupid things in vista because a program is poorly written, MS isn't going to change the code for every software vendor out there, it's up to the vendor to write code specific to the platform. Anyhow, I think they will improve it, now that it's moved they simply need to tweak their process and organize the files more efficiently.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: JoDirt

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: JoDirt

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: JoDirt

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From a windows programing standpoint it is "Best practice" to place this kind of content in the My Documents folder. Even for XP. Sloppy habits started back with win95 this is a correction of that sloppy habit. They just need to organize it a better.

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Placing anything in a folder which Windows XP may very well nuke if and when it has a spaz attack is not best practice.

Distributing a program's data over multiple folders outside of the directory structure you indicated it was to use is not best practice.

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Actually it is best practice because of the way the permissions work in Vista (UAC). CCP is taking the best approach imo. They are cleaning up their client for vista so we don't get prompted for trivial tasks. Which is the way it should be.

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A) This is XP. Are ifthenelse 2hard?

B) Cleaning up? They are making it horribly disorganized. See all the people running around "going WTF are my files?". Windows/Microsoft says to do it this way? Windows says a lot of things.

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Well people also run around *****ing about being prompted for stupid things in vista because a program is poorly written, MS isn't going to change the code for every software vendor out there, it's up to the vendor to write code specific to the platform. Anyhow, I think they will improve it, now that it's moved they simply need to tweak their process and organize the files more efficiently.

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If something works fine in XP, but causes things to pop up in Vista, it isn't the program that is the problem.

And why do you keep talking about code and such? It's only the location of the files that anyone is concerned about.

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Originally by: JoDirt

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Originally by: Derovius Vaden

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Originally by: JoDirt

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From a windows programing standpoint it is "Best practice" to place this kind of content in the My Documents folder. Even for XP. Sloppy habits started back with win95 this is a correction of that sloppy habit. They just need to organize it a better.

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Too bad that the windows profile goes down like a drunk prom date when it gets to be over 6-7 gigs in size. This so called "best practice" is equivalent of digging your own XP grave.

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I will have to retest that in XP, I haven't run XP for a while. However when I did My Documents folder had about 40gigs of data (virtual machines) in it and ran like a champ, vista also runs fine with this amount.

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Originally by: Andrue

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stuff

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Originally by: Apertotes

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costumers

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Originally by: Andrue

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stuff

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I believe the issues people are having are being caused by two different Eve installations using the same files. How does that fit into this fancy new system?



I'd like to meet the programmers of every game/program to use this new structure so I can hit them with an implement of some sort for the amount of hassle they've caused me trying to track down files which could just as easily have been put in the directory I told the game/program to put its files in.

If Vista fails so hard at security that it has to screw with file structures and lock down entire directory trees then it shouldn't even try.
I run XP as admin and it's perfectly secure as I delegate security related stuff to software which does it competently, and won't allow anything remotely potentially harmful *anywhere* in the system.



And I've seen My Documents get nuked by windows. I store any and all important stuff in folders in the root of the drive, because anything under Documents and Settings may go with Windows when it goes, and I learned my lesson after it happened once.

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Originally by: Lady Natacha

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Originally by: General Xerxes

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I'll be very surprised if there are only a few XP users left, we're most likely the majority.

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I only just recently upgraded to XP from WIN2K which I was perfectly happy with other than it would not recognize my shiny new dual core CPU correctly. You can bet I will be waiting for whatever comes after VISTA before I will consider upgrading. By then, it may not even be a MS product.

VISTA = Windows ME in 2007.

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Originally by: WhitePhantom

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If you have never used Vista please don't say something as ignorant as something like "Vista = Windows ME in 2007" because you have not even used Windows ME if you been stuck in Windows 2000 Professional.

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Originally by: WhitePhantom

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Originally by: Lady Natacha

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Originally by: WhitePhantom

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If you have never used Vista please don't say something as ignorant as something like "Vista = Windows ME in 2007" because you have not even used Windows ME if you been stuck in Windows 2000 Professional.

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Actually I have used it...All I can say is meh. I was never "stuck" with Win2K. It was a choice based on what I could get out of the OS/Hardware I was using. When I upgraded to bleeding edge hardware recently, an OS upgrade was in order, and since VISTA offers me absolutely nothing over XP and costs a lot more, well, duh!

A good article on the subject:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=378

Originally by: WhitePhantom

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He's asking the question "is it perceived as ME" not Vista = ME lol. Then he goes on with a pretty good article about it. The fact is the average consumer doesn't look at the security upgrade as a wow factor, but for me, that is major. Also DirectX10 isn't a huge pull yet because there are not that many games writen for it yet. With that said, having used both, I would say no, Vista is not nearly the disaster ME was. Thank god!

Originally by: JoDirt

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He's asking the question "is it perceived as ME" not Vista = ME lol. Then he goes on with a pretty good article about it. The fact is the average consumer doesn't look at the security upgrade as a wow factor, but for me, that is major. Also DirectX10 isn't a huge pull yet because there are not that many games writen for it yet. With that said, having used both, I would say no, Vista is not nearly the disaster ME was. Thank god!

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Originally by: Chronus26

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The shortcut switches only reverts your cache to the old location. The files in 'My Documents' are Logs and Screenshots, not your cache.

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Originally by: Andrue

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You don't need multiple Eve installs to run multiple accounts concurrently. I've been running two accounts for over three years and always done so from the one folder. The only time I have more than one Eve folder is when I have a Sisi patch.

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Originally by: Andrue

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The reason this is being done is because the Windows security model is based in part on preventing casual access to program installations. This is a sensible idea. The only time any program should need to write into its installation directory is when it is installed.

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Originally by: Roy Batty68

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The only thing that seems not to work is the log files. They are all having a love fest in that one /my documents location. So when I want to look through a certain log I have some sorting through to do. Not a huge deal, just a small annoyance.

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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You're absolutely right here. If you are only connecting to Tranquility then you can and I would recommend that you use a single client. The EVE client handles multiple accounts (and therefore 3x multiple characters) and you don't need to make any changes from the default install so long as you are only connecting to Tranquility. The only settings that are then being shared between the accounts are the audio settings and the main program window settings.

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Edited by: CCP Explorer on 25/06/2007 23:58:00
You're absolutely right here. If you are only connecting to Tranquility then you can and I would recommend that you use a single client. The EVE client handles multiple accounts (and therefore 3x multiple characters) and you don't need to make any changes from the default install so long as you are only connecting to Tranquility. The only settings that are then being shared between the accounts are the audio settings and the main program window settings.

Only if you are connecting to our test servers, Singularity or Multiplicity, then you need multiple clients, since those server are running different versions than Tranquility. But then you also have to use "/end /LUA:OFF" or examine this thread (a re-direct approach to multiple clients) or this thread (a "multiple Windows users, set 'run with different credentials' for each client" approach to multiple clients; top part of post) to keep the clients separate.

Which is exactly why we were forced to make this change. The data and settings files should never have been stored in the Program Files folder anyway (not even on Windows 2000 and Windows XP). Windows Vista enforces that programs don't write into the Program Files folder and Windows Vista users are by now a sizeable part of the EVE community. We didn't have much choice in making this change.

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Originally by: Andrue

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The reason this is being done is because the Windows security model is based in part on preventing casual access to program installations. This is a sensible idea. The only time any program should need to write into its installation directory is when it is installed.

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Which is exactly why we were forced to make this change. The data and settings files should never have been stored in the Program Files folder anyway (not even on Windows 2000 and Windows XP). Windows Vista enforces that programs don't write into the Program Files folder and Windows Vista users are by now a sizeable part of the EVE community. We didn't have much choice in making this change.

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Originally by: Shozo

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There is actually a problem(for me and maybe others) with multiple accounts from one installation folder.

1. Running two clients simultaneously from the same folder may work but, like you said...the audio and video settings are shared. I personally run one client larger(resolution) than the other as one is a main and the other is secondary. As well as have the UI colors different.

2. Had you given proper documentation in your patch notes(no surprise you left this out anyways just like everything else but, how do you predict this?) I could have actually preserved my overview filters, bookmark folders(thanks for screwing up my 300 or so BM's), video settings, chat windows

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Originally by: Shozo

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So, instead of playing for my first hour in Revelations II I was forced(like you) into doing something I did not want to do. I had to recreate my filters, reorganize my BM's(still not done yet), and generally screw around with my settings for an hour or more before actually being allowed to truly play the game. And the sad thing and most disappointing thing with this is all that was needed, on your part CCP, was a one line of text in your patch notes. You know...that webpage you use to document the changes to expect in the upcoming patch.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Edited by: Akita T on 26/06/2007 03:05:36

Originally by: Shozo

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So, instead of playing for my first hour in Revelations II I was forced(like you) into doing something I did not want to do. I had to recreate my filters, reorganize my BM's(still not done yet), and generally screw around with my settings for an hour or more before actually being allowed to truly play the game. And the sad thing and most disappointing thing with this is all that was needed, on your part CCP, was a one line of text in your patch notes. You know...that webpage you use to document the changes to expect in the upcoming patch.

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I don't know, you must have missed THIS WHOLE SECTION then :

Client Changes
General compatibility changes for Windows 2000, XP and Vista, to better comply with Microsoft recommended best practices for data file locations, which are now being enforced on Windows Vista.

IMPORTANT! When the patch has been deployed, your client(s) patched and you log in for the first time, the cache folder will migrate to the new location specified below. Depending on the size of your cache folder, this may be hardly noticeable, it may take several minutes. Please be patient while this happens and do NOT restart your client if it appears to 'hang'! Thank you.

Game capture, log and cache folders have moved from "C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE"
The capture and logs folders are now located under "My Documents\EVE"
The settings and cache folder are stored under
Windows 2000/XP: "C:\Documents and Settings\%username%\Local Settings\Application Data\CCP\EVE"
Windows Vista: "C:\Users\%username%\AppData\Local\CCP\EVE"
The location of the settings folder can be forced to remain where it was stored prior to Revelations II. This can be useful when connecting a second client to a test server and not mix settings between the clients.
If the user choses to revert to this storage format, the shortcut needs to be modified to refer to: "C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\eve.exe /end /LUA:OFF". Note the switches (/end and /LUA:OFF) are case sensitive.


If you would have let the client complete the move, you would have maintained folders, channels and market quickbar settings, and others like that.

You could not have avoided the overview/colour settings resets.
It's CCP's policy, apparently, to always wipe those clean back to defaults for each (major) patch.
And it's intentional, not accidental.

P.S. The patchnotes are still incorrect though.
It's not like this : [ "C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\eve.exe /end /LUA:OFF" ],
...but instead so: [ "C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\eve.exe" /end /LUA:OFF ].

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Originally by: Xen Gin

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Call me crazy, but putting it in the middle of the patch notes (did everyone get that far anyway!) probably wasn't the best idea, but then again this "expansion" didn't really add anything new for the 'common' player, and broke alot of things (mainly the sound system, blah, fix please!) so you get what you *pay* for.

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Originally by: Akita T

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Edited by: Akita T on 26/06/2007 02:56:54

Originally by: Shozo

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There is actually a problem(for me and maybe others) with multiple accounts from one installation folder.

1. Running two clients simultaneously from the same folder may work but, like you said...the audio and video settings are shared. I personally run one client larger(resolution) than the other as one is a main and the other is secondary. As well as have the UI colors different.

2. Had you given proper documentation in your patch notes(no surprise you left this out anyways just like everything else but, how do you predict this?) I could have actually preserved my overview filters, bookmark folders(thanks for screwing up my 300 or so BM's), video settings, chat windows

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1. Only audio settings (enabled/disabled) are totally shared.
Video settings only apply to main pre-login screen.
Once you login to your account, individual video settings apply, so, yes, you can run two windowed clients of different screen sizes from the same installation.

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Originally by: Apewall

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One last time, it is "MY DOCUMENTS", not "MICROSOFT SAID YOU HAVE TO HAVE THESE DOCUMENTS HERE"

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Originally by: JoDirt

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now that it's moved they simply need to tweak their process and organize the files more efficiently.

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Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe

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Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 26/06/2007 05:13:36
Well, it writes in the beginning of each chat log file, who is the chatting character. So it's not all that big of a problem, because you have 3 characters on each acc anyways.

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Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe

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You could write a simple script that would regularly sort the chat files, moving them to separate folders for each character...

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Windows Vista enforces that programs don't write into the Program Files folder and Windows Vista users are by now a sizeable part of the EVE community. We didn't have much choice in making this change.

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Edited by: CCP Explorer on 25/06/2007 23:58:00

Originally by: Andrue

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You don't need multiple Eve installs to run multiple accounts concurrently. I've been running two accounts for over three years and always done so from the one folder. The only time I have more than one Eve folder is when I have a Sisi patch.

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You're absolutely right here. If you are only connecting to Tranquility then you can and I would recommend that you use a single client. The EVE client handles multiple accounts (and therefore 3x multiple characters) and you don't need to make any changes from the default install so long as you are only connecting to Tranquility. The only settings that are then being shared between the accounts are the audio settings and the main program window settings.

Only if you are connecting to our test servers, Singularity or Multiplicity, then you need multiple clients, since those server are running different versions than Tranquility. But then you also have to use "/end /LUA:OFF" or examine this thread (a re-direct approach to multiple clients) or this thread (a "multiple Windows users, set 'run with different credentials' for each client" approach to multiple clients; top part of post) to keep the clients separate.

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Originally by: nync

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being stupid - is not curable...

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Originally by: Akita T

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You could not have avoided the overview/colour settings resets.
It's CCP's policy, apparently, to always wipe those clean back to defaults for each (major) patch.
And it's intentional, not accidental.

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Originally by: Chribba

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let us do '/datapath=X:\EVE\Client827' for our setting/cache/data needs!

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Originally by: mudders

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Immediately after update I just added /end /LUA:OFF at the end of the shortcut target. (Although it is slightly different than documented in the patch notes) I did this for all 4 of my installations (3 for tranq, 1 for sisi)

Works as before, all accounts 'completely' seperate, so no change needed for the batch file that manages all my transient files in RAMdisk too.

I'll be using the new windows profile location once ALL transient/setting files are seperated completely per account.

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Originally by: Fink Angel

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I'd still like to know from the Dev's what the two switches do precisely.

I imagine the /LUA:OFF switch stands for something like "Local User Account" and stops the bulk of the cache being migrated, so why the need for another switch "/end" and what does it do exactly?

Is there an offical doc on all command line modifiers and all .ini settings?

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Originally by: Akita T

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Edited by: Akita T on 26/06/2007 02:56:54
1. Only audio settings (enabled/disabled) are totally shared.
Video settings only apply to main pre-login screen.
Once you login to your account, individual video settings apply, so, yes, you can run two windowed clients of different screen sizes from the same installation.

2. Sorry, no, that wouldn't have happened. Not how you think, anyway.
The old settings files are not fully compatible with the new settings files.
I backed them up fully, just in case. Overview settings and color scheme settings were wiped clean anyway.
Folder settings and chat channels open were prefectly preserved, however.

Note: I *did* manually move the cache/settings files when Rev2.0 rolled out, I didn't let the client do it itself.
Well, I mean, I cleaned them out a bit, then made a backup ZIP and manually moved remaining files to the proper new folders.

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If you would have let the client complete the move, you would have maintained folders, channels and market quickbar settings, and others like that.

You could not have avoided the overview/colour settings resets.
It's CCP's policy, apparently, to always wipe those clean back to defaults for each (major) patch.
And it's intentional, not accidental.

P.S. The patchnotes are still incorrect though.
It's not like this : [ "C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\eve.exe /end /LUA:OFF" ],
...but instead so: [ "C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\eve.exe" /end /LUA:OFF ].

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Edited by: CCP Explorer on 25/06/2007 23:58:00

Originally by: Andrue

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You don't need multiple Eve installs to run multiple accounts concurrently. I've been running two accounts for over three years and always done so from the one folder. The only time I have more than one Eve folder is when I have a Sisi patch.

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You're absolutely right here. If you are only connecting to Tranquility then you can and I would recommend that you use a single client. The EVE client handles multiple accounts (and therefore 3x multiple characters) and you don't need to make any changes from the default install so long as you are only connecting to Tranquility. The only settings that are then being shared between the accounts are the audio settings and the main program window settings.

Only if you are connecting to our test servers, Singularity or Multiplicity, then you need multiple clients, since those server are running different versions than Tranquility. But then you also have to use "/end /LUA:OFF" or examine this thread (a re-direct approach to multiple clients) or this thread (a "multiple Windows users, set 'run with different credentials' for each client" approach to multiple clients; top part of post) to keep the clients separate.

Originally by: Andrue

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The reason this is being done is because the Windows security model is based in part on preventing casual access to program installations. This is a sensible idea. The only time any program should need to write into its installation directory is when it is installed.

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Which is exactly why we were forced to make this change. The data and settings files should never have been stored in the Program Files folder anyway (not even on Windows 2000 and Windows XP). Windows Vista enforces that programs don't write into the Program Files folder and Windows Vista users are by now a sizeable part of the EVE community. We didn't have much choice in making this change.

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Originally by: JP Beauregard

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The experience with Exodus playtesting has scarred me for life. Those were bug-reports, not feature requests, you numbskulls....

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Originally by: Derovius Vaden

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Originally by: JoDirt

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Originally by: Derovius Vaden

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Originally by: JoDirt

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From a windows programing standpoint it is "Best practice" to place this kind of content in the My Documents folder. Even for XP. Sloppy habits started back with win95 this is a correction of that sloppy habit. They just need to organize it a better.

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Too bad that the windows profile goes down like a drunk prom date when it gets to be over 6-7 gigs in size. This so called "best practice" is equivalent of digging your own XP grave.

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I will have to retest that in XP, I haven't run XP for a while. However when I did My Documents folder had about 40gigs of data (virtual machines) in it and ran like a champ, vista also runs fine with this amount.

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It could be the whole VM thing, a true profile of more than 7 gigs at my IT job ends up getting corrupted, and really odd **** happens. It usually happens with the application data, i.e. local mail file trees get all wonky and don't point the proper locations, etc.

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Originally by: Hugh Ruka

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I am running EVE from an USB drive that I move between computers. Now I have to be very carefull not to nuke my settings and I have NO possibility NOT to polute all the different machines My Documents folder with EVE crap. I have to manualy delete the created folder afterwards loosing the capture data created during the session (or again manualy copy back).

You have plenty options to configure this. Either a command line switch (as suggested by Chribba, or the one inmplete configuration you made) or a per account/server setting directory, so we can safely move the data manualy (as in my situation), detecting if the move is needed at all (if vista then move, else do nothing) etc.

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Originally by: Pwett

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Call me crazy, but I do a lot of sensitive data stuff on my computer so EVERY night I do a complete defrag with alphabetical file reorder and free-space overwrites. The ONLY thing I put on my windows drive is stuff that windows needs to run, and those few MS products that are too stubborn to work otherwise.

I can also gaurantee that if the average person's windows account goes south for some reason, they'll have one heck of a time getting their settings back. Windows doesn't like letting you open files from "rival" administrator accounts.

For example, try this:
Install windows, install outlook using default settings and write yourself an email.
Reinstall windows, same account name, same account password, etc. and try to get back to that old outlook folder file - it's still there, but will forever be exclusively "locked" to windows.

Now, I DO work for a LAN party gone bad and here are some simple rules for dealing with windows:
a) More files on a windows boot drive = bad
- Nothing like a BIG HONKING mft to slow a windows boot
b) c:\My documents and settings\ = bad
- This is the directory that likes to go all forms of bad
c) Installing ANYTHING into Program Files = bad
- Simple Security issue - any virus worth its salt will simply affect this directory before windows even loads.
d) Putting more crap into MY Documents = bad
- See reason for c) - and anyone worth their salt will move this off it's default location anyway.

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Originally by: Andrue

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You don't need multiple Eve installs to run multiple accounts concurrently. I've been running two accounts for over three years and always done so from the one folder. The only time I have more than one Eve folder is when I have a Sisi patch.

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Originally by: tommit

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O.o

are you serius dude?! you complaining that you can't use more then one account at the same time effectively?! you GOTTA be kidding me

i am just waiting for them to forbid more then one account for each player, and letting you train on all 3 charector and giving a link under show info to the two other chars so you know who the person is AS IT SHOULD BE

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Originally by: JoDirt

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Well people also run around *****ing about being prompted for stupid things in vista because a program is poorly written, MS isn't going to change the code for every software vendor out there, it's up to the vendor to write code specific to the platform.

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Originally by: Natsuki

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I wish you could have the main window settings on an account basis for those of us with multiple monitors so I don't have to choose a different device every time I want a window on a different monitor.

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Originally by: shady trader

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Any old time windows Admin knows, you do not mix the OS and the important files, that way then the OS desides to die and you have to rebuild, your files are safe on a seperate drive ready for then the OS is working again.

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Originally by: Pilk

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USB drive fix.

Which, coincidentally, also solves pretty much every other problem mentioned so far in this thread.

But who am I kidding? Nobody reads to page 3.

--P

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Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight

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God i have to agree who the hell cares what M$ wants to do with my pc its my pc and i will install eve where i like run in admin mode 24/7 if i like and put my god dam files where i like, some sort of warning would have been nice.

Personally i will be staying away from vista till forced to use the dam thing, its ME only in 2007 only this time it doing aload of crap i never asked it to do.

And yes i have used vista where thinking about moving are 450 pc network over to it, but i have manged to delay that by at least 2 years (thankg god).

I have now have eveil files all over the palce, you think ccp could have reliased that trying to move my 350 meg of game logs and screen dumps to a drive with less than 100 meg of free space on it was not going to work out.

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/****ed off with change for the sake of change.

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Originally by: Apertotes

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why CCP? i have three different EVE accounts, and thus, i use 3 different EVE folders with 3 different installations so that i do not have to share settings between different accounts.

now, thanks to your great idea of putting everything on the "My documents settings" my EVE accounts and settings are a complete mess.

so, i tried browsing the forums, and i found the Holy Grial of "/end /LUA:OFF" or however its spelled, i pasted the magic words into my EVE shortcuts, re-moved all my stuff to the previus place (from where they should have never got out), deleted the new and horrendous EVE folder on "My documents" and started eve again.

well, it sucks!!!!! 5 seconds later, there was a new EVE folder on "My documents".

so, CCP, how can we, the few XP users you still have as costumers, get back our old functionality?

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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne

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I couldn't agree with you more about this. Every time I open one account, close it and then open one of my other accounts, I have to completely rework all of my settings.

This isn't just annoying, it's unacceptable and needs to be reworked as soon as the exploits have been dealt with.

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Originally by: Andrue

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The reason this is being done is because the Windows security model is based in part on preventing casual access to program installations. This is a sensible idea. The only time any program should need to write into its installation directory is when it is installed. At that time the OS should insist on some kind of validation - at least a login dialog, ideally a physical key that has to be turned to enable 'maintennance mode'.

Under early versions of Windows (and XP when you're logged in as Administrator like 99% of people are) any application can modify anything under \Program Files\ any time it wants. Viruses, trojans and other malware can all happily hack and abuse your installed applications.

Under Vista and XP (if like me you normally run as a limited user) nothing can write to those directories without gaining elevated privileges - something that requires a dialog box at least once.

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Originally by: Iyanah

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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne

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I couldn't agree with you more about this. Every time I open one account, close it and then open one of my other accounts, I have to completely rework all of my settings.

This isn't just annoying, it's unacceptable and needs to be reworked as soon as the exploits have been dealt with.

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why on earth do you need completely different settings for different accounts? honestly? does one of your alts just have to listen to music whilst the other one hates it? does one of your alts have to run at a higher resolution?

there's no need to have different settings for multiple accounts, the only thing that changes really is how you use the overview, and you can save different settings for that, you know.

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Originally by: Chribba

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let us do '/datapath=X:\EVE\Client827' for our setting/cache/data needs!

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Originally by: Andrue

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Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight

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God i have to agree who the hell cares what M$ wants to do with my pc its my pc and i will install eve where i like run in admin mode 24/7 if i like and put my god dam files where i like, some sort of warning would have been nice.

Personally i will be staying away from vista till forced to use the dam thing, its ME only in 2007 only this time it doing aload of crap i never asked it to do.

And yes i have used vista where thinking about moving are 450 pc network over to it, but i have manged to delay that by at least 2 years (thankg god).

I have now have eveil files all over the palce, you think ccp could have reliased that trying to move my 350 meg of game logs and screen dumps to a drive with less than 100 meg of free space on it was not going to work out.

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I bet you refuse to wear a seatbelt when you're in a vehicle as well don't you? Continue to smoke? Drink way too much?

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/****ed off with change for the sake of change.

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These changes are the result of Microsoft trying to help protect people. For too long software development companies have abused Microsoft's lax security model. Now, at long last, Microsoft are trying to put their house in order. Unfortunately they're having to drag other developers into the modern world and that means changing industry practice. Placing data under an installation directory is poor practice and that means a lot of applications need to change.

Logging in to use a computer as an administrator is utter stupidity if it isn't necessary. With Windows XP MS finally gave us a viable (not perfect, but viable) security model. Do you complain about the hassle of locking your house when you go out? Meh. From the sound of it you probably do.

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Originally by: Hoshi

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LUA stands for "Least-privileged User Account".

Basically an account that has just enough privileges to do what it needs to do and nothing else. It doesn't "need" to write in the program files sub directory so it doesn't have the right to do it.

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Edited by: CCP Explorer on 25/06/2007 23:58:00

Originally by: Andrue

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You don't need multiple Eve installs to run multiple accounts concurrently. I've been running two accounts for over three years and always done so from the one folder. The only time I have more than one Eve folder is when I have a Sisi patch.

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You're absolutely right here. If you are only connecting to Tranquility then you can and I would recommend that you use a single client. The EVE client handles multiple accounts (and therefore 3x multiple characters) and you don't need to make any changes from the default install so long as you are only connecting to Tranquility. The only settings that are then being shared between the accounts are the audio settings and the main program window settings.

Only if you are connecting to our test servers, Singularity or Multiplicity, then you need multiple clients, since those server are running different versions than Tranquility. But then you also have to use "/end /LUA:OFF" or examine this thread (a re-direct approach to multiple clients) or this thread (a "multiple Windows users, set 'run with different credentials' for each client" approach to multiple clients; top part of post) to keep the clients separate.

Originally by: Andrue

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The reason this is being done is because the Windows security model is based in part on preventing casual access to program installations. This is a sensible idea. The only time any program should need to write into its installation directory is when it is installed.

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Which is exactly why we were forced to make this change. The data and settings files should never have been stored in the Program Files folder anyway (not even on Windows 2000 and Windows XP). Windows Vista enforces that programs don't write into the Program Files folder and Windows Vista users are by now a sizeable part of the EVE community. We didn't have much choice in making this change.

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Originally by: Hugh Ruka

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I am running EVE from an USB drive that I move between computers. Now I have to be very carefull not to nuke my settings and I have NO possibility NOT to polute all the different machines My Documents folder with EVE crap. I have to manualy delete the created folder afterwards loosing the capture data created during the session (or again manualy copy back).

You have plenty options to configure this. Either a command line switch (as suggested by Chribba, or the one inmplete configuration you made) or a per account/server setting directory, so we can safely move the data manualy (as in my situation), detecting if the move is needed at all (if vista then move, else do nothing) etc.

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eve.exe /end /LUA:OFF
rd /q /s "%USERPROFILE%\My Documents\EVE"

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Originally by: Apertotes

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Originally by: Pilk

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USB drive fix.

Which, coincidentally, also solves pretty much every other problem mentioned so far in this thread.

But who am I kidding? Nobody reads to page 3.

--P

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hey pilk, i read to page 3, as many others. the problem is that many of us do not understand anything about that solution, and i do not like creating shortcuts that i do not really know what they do.

CCP should understand that the big part of the players arent computer tecnicians and that the mainstream solution can not depend on some random post on the forums.

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Originally by: Presidente Gallente

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Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 27/06/2007 20:30:50
READ THIS!

I did some hours try and error when Rev II came out.
This works perfect for me now.

I do sync by USB Stick all necessary settings on 2 computers.
Till now I have no problems so far.

But I agree. That new structure sucks! It also mixes SISI logs now with the TQ logs. Crap.
Well ... it was made to prevent that a new installation kills all logs and settings.
We need a simple pref setting for those folder pathes. Why is CCP such complicated in that case?

Pres G

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Originally by: Apertotes

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ok, lots of helpful replies. i just would like to know one thing.

even with those esoteric commands (/end /LUA:OFF), EVE keeps creating a folder on "My documents" for logs and captures.

it seems there is a solution to this using a little program.

is there any other way? i am not going to use a program from someone i do not know and that isnt sanctioned by CCP, so, if any dev is watching, any way to refrain EVE from creating a folder on "My documents"?

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Originally by: Jitagirl

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For the crybabies that whine about the EVE folder in my documents (Thinking before complaining is hard)

runeve.bat

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eve.exe /end /LUA:OFF
DON'T RUN THISrd /q /s "%USERPROFILE%\My Documents\EVE"

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DON'T RUN THISrd /q /s might wipe half of your partition if you have admin rights and are careless.

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Originally by: Pilk

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Originally by: Apertotes

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ok, lots of helpful replies. i just would like to know one thing.

even with those esoteric commands (/end /LUA:OFF), EVE keeps creating a folder on "My documents" for logs and captures.

it seems there is a solution to this using a little program.

is there any other way? i am not going to use a program from someone i do not know and that isnt sanctioned by CCP, so, if any dev is watching, any way to refrain EVE from creating a folder on "My documents"?

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Originally by: Jitagirl

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For the crybabies that whine about the EVE folder in my documents (Thinking before complaining is hard)

runeve.bat

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eve.exe /end /LUA:OFF
DON'T RUN THISrd /q /s "%USERPROFILE%\My Documents\EVE"

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DON'T RUN THISrd /q /s might wipe half of your partition if you have admin rights and are careless.

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(my green)

That would delete your logs after every time you run Eve. That's bad mojo!

Please use this to keep your installations' logs files (and caches) separate.

--P

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Originally by: Windle Poons

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Originally by: Pilk

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Originally by: Apertotes

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ok, lots of helpful replies. i just would like to know one thing.

even with those esoteric commands (/end /LUA:OFF), EVE keeps creating a folder on "My documents" for logs and captures.

it seems there is a solution to this using a little program.

is there any other way? i am not going to use a program from someone i do not know and that isnt sanctioned by CCP, so, if any dev is watching, any way to refrain EVE from creating a folder on "My documents"?

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Originally by: Jitagirl

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For the crybabies that whine about the EVE folder in my documents (Thinking before complaining is hard)

runeve.bat

Quote:

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eve.exe /end /LUA:OFF
DON'T RUN THISrd /q /s "%USERPROFILE%\My Documents\EVE"

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DON'T RUN THISrd /q /s might wipe half of your partition if you have admin rights and are careless.

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(my green)

That would delete your logs after every time you run Eve. That's bad mojo!

Please use this to keep your installations' logs files (and caches) separate.

--P

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The script only affects the location of the Cache folder, which is then ignored by starting EVE with the LUA:OFF anyway. Logs and capture still end up in My Documents path which is read directly from the registry, setting an environmental variable doesn't affect this location. Use procmon and you can see the reg keys being read. All this seems to do is copy a moved cache back and start EVE.

If you just want seperate installs then have multiple EVE folders and start them with the /end /LUA:OFF nothing more to it. Want seperate log/capture folders and you are going to have to alter the reg keys.

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Originally by: Nobues

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Edited by: Nobues on 27/06/2007 22:10:22
dude your are all missing one key point, dont edit crap you dont have to spend hours of programming to fix anything, you dont have to go out and spend 1000000 bucks on new hardware.. JUST CLEAR YOUR OLD DAMN CACHE DELETE the folder it self..

Oh OMG WOW!!! FIXED.. read people read.. stop being stupid.

edit: before you say it doenst work TRY IT..

stupid people who dont need to play eve.

JUST DELETE OLD CACHE FOLDER AND IT FIX'S ALL!

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Originally by: Pilk

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I'm sorry, but that's incorrect. My script moves it all, baby!

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Originally by: Nobues

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Edited by: Nobues on 27/06/2007 22:10:22
dude your are all missing one key point, dont edit crap you dont have to spend hours of programming to fix anything, you dont have to go out and spend 1000000 bucks on new hardware.. JUST CLEAR YOUR OLD DAMN CACHE DELETE the folder it self..

Oh OMG WOW!!! FIXED.. read people read.. stop being stupid.

edit: before you say it doenst work TRY IT..

stupid people who dont need to play eve.

JUST DELETE OLD CACHE FOLDER AND IT FIX'S ALL!

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Originally by: Windle Poons

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Originally by: Nobues

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Edited by: Nobues on 27/06/2007 22:10:22
dude your are all missing one key point, dont edit crap you dont have to spend hours of programming to fix anything, you dont have to go out and spend 1000000 bucks on new hardware.. JUST CLEAR YOUR OLD DAMN CACHE DELETE the folder it self..

Oh OMG WOW!!! FIXED.. read people read.. stop being stupid.

edit: before you say it doenst work TRY IT..

stupid people who dont need to play eve.

JUST DELETE OLD CACHE FOLDER AND IT FIX'S ALL!

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Essentially this is all thats needed to fix EVE+SISI clients. When you use the LUA option and delete the cache from Local Settings, everything should be fine. In fact, if you just add the LUA to both, you don't even need to delete the cache as they will start with a blank one back in their own directories or whatever was left there.

I am mostly interested in Having muiltiple accounts running that log to seperate folders which was fine before the change.

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Originally by: Windle Poons

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Originally by: Pilk

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I'm sorry, but that's incorrect. My script moves it all, baby!

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Where?

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Originally by: Imhothar Xarodit

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Devs themselves admitted you will have problems when running Tq and Sisi clients.

What I don't like about this change was, that nobody asked me if I wanted to move the files. I don't allow any program to write stuff on my windows partition, especially not when its 1000 little chat log files and screen shots which simply clutter the partition unnecessarily.

They did it because of compatibility issues. Guess what, I never had compatibility issues on my XP machine with EVE.

Would it be too much to ask for a "Move files to My Documents and Local settings to solve compability issues?" dialog box on EVE's first start instead of immediately moving tons of files (some people say they have GBs of screenshots) without permission or even a progress bar (that was really highly unacceptable)? If selected "No", mark it in prefs.ini and use the old system. That would be a great step towards usability and support.

I don't want Mycrosoft to tell me where my screenshots, logs and settings should be saved, I want to specify that and I want to have all EVE related files in one directory and not scattered somewhere in the windows partition, because it is my PC and not Microsoft's!

A simple yes/no dialog for those people who really have compatibility issues and those who don't would be a much much much better solution than forcing all files to somwhere where alot of people didn't want them (and CCP knew this before Rev 2 from several threads).

The /end /LUA:OFF swith doesn't even work properly, as my chat logs and screenshots are still stuck in My Documents.

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Originally by: Nobues

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Originally by: Windle Poons

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Originally by: Nobues

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Edited by: Nobues on 27/06/2007 22:10:22
dude your are all missing one key point, dont edit crap you dont have to spend hours of programming to fix anything, you dont have to go out and spend 1000000 bucks on new hardware.. JUST CLEAR YOUR OLD DAMN CACHE DELETE the folder it self..

Oh OMG WOW!!! FIXED.. read people read.. stop being stupid.

edit: before you say it doenst work TRY IT..

stupid people who dont need to play eve.

JUST DELETE OLD CACHE FOLDER AND IT FIX'S ALL!

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Essentially this is all thats needed to fix EVE+SISI clients. When you use the LUA option and delete the cache from Local Settings, everything should be fine. In fact, if you just add the LUA to both, you don't even need to delete the cache as they will start with a blank one back in their own directories or whatever was left there.

I am mostly interested in Having muiltiple accounts running that log to seperate folders which was fine before the change.

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I run 4 accounts 1 computer I have changed nothing but deleted my own cache folders and I can run all 4 clients, with different setting, and WOW they stay I dont have to reset them everytime.. Like I said try it before posting..

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Originally by: Pilk

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Originally by: Windle Poons

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Originally by: Pilk

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I'm sorry, but that's incorrect. My script moves it all, baby!

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Where?

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Check the link; it's a screenshot of where it moves your logs.

--P

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Originally by: Windle Poons

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Originally by: Pilk

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Originally by: Windle Poons

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Originally by: Pilk

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I'm sorry, but that's incorrect. My script moves it all, baby!

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Where?

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Check the link; it's a screenshot of where it moves your logs.

--P

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Where in the script does it move the logs? How does it move them? I can tell you that their location is not affected by the Userprofile path, I tried that weeks ago.

As I have nothing in my Local Settings (they are all using the LUA option), it did nothing.

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Originally by: Apertotes

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Pilk, i thank you a lot for posting and linking your solution, but you must understand that until someone from CCP says it is ok to use it (like they did with EVEMon), i am not gonna install it.

it is not your fault, of course, i just do not like doing things on my computer that i do not really know how they work or what can they do to my system.

still, my question remains. is there any way to refrain EVE from creating a folder for logs and captures on "My documents" without using any external program?

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Originally by: Pilk

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Edited by: Pilk on 28/06/2007 06:56:10

Originally by: Apertotes

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Pilk, i thank you a lot for posting and linking your solution, but you must understand that until someone from CCP says it is ok to use it (like they did with EVEMon), i am not gonna install it.

it is not your fault, of course, i just do not like doing things on my computer that i do not really know how they work or what can they do to my system.

still, my question remains. is there any way to refrain EVE from creating a folder for logs and captures on "My documents" without using any external program?

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Fair enough. Petitions take a little while, and I'm unsure if they'd certify my .bat since it's a very simple program with only one developer. I know Dark Shikari is a programmer, and pretty trusted by the Eve community, and he knows my IRL contact info; would his word suffice while I wait for a petition response?

Edit: Petition #693377 submitted.

--P

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Originally by: Dark Thunder

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Everytime i log in with a different char i am back to full screen default settings. With 3 accoutns and 9 characters i use regularly i'm fairly hacked off now.

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Originally by: Vala Draaken

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Originally by: Dark Thunder

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Everytime i log in with a different char i am back to full screen default settings. With 3 accoutns and 9 characters i use regularly i'm fairly hacked off now.

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This sounds like you might have another problem.

You should check that your time/date/month/year settings are correct, as having them off by just a little will cause the symptoms you describe.

Also common things like read-only files or borked file permission can cause it.

Just a suggestion,

Vala D.

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Originally by: Andrue

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Edited by: Andrue on 25/06/2007 21:13:38
You don't need multiple Eve installs to run multiple accounts concurrently. I've been running two accounts for over three years and always done so from the one folder. The only time I have more than one Eve folder is when I have a Sisi patch.

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Originally by: cordy

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Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.

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Originally by: Apertotes

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Originally by: Vala Draaken

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Originally by: Dark Thunder

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Everytime i log in with a different char i am back to full screen default settings. With 3 accoutns and 9 characters i use regularly i'm fairly hacked off now.

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This sounds like you might have another problem.

You should check that your time/date/month/year settings are correct, as having them off by just a little will cause the symptoms you describe.

Also common things like read-only files or borked file permission can cause it.

Just a suggestion,

Vala D.

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still, even if he has another problem, the problem with EVE creating a folder on "My documents" still exists.

has anybody managed to refrain EVE from saving logs and captures on "My documents" without using any external program?

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Originally by: Liu

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for those interested (hint: devs appreciated), here is how my screen looks when i try to run two accounts at the same time from only one install.

Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds

this has happened to me always, and the solution was to run them from 2 separate installations.

now, even that solution has quit working, and my screen looks like a bad photoshopper work everytime i need to log on with 2 accounts at the same time

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Originally by: Apertotes

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still, even if he has another problem, the problem with EVE creating a folder on "My documents" still exists.

has anybody managed to refrain EVE from saving logs and captures on "My documents" without using any external program?

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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You're absolutely right here. If you are only connecting to Tranquility then you can and I would recommend that you use a single client. The EVE client handles multiple accounts (and therefore 3x multiple characters) and you don't need to make any changes from the default install so long as you are only connecting to Tranquility. The only settings that are then being shared between the accounts are the audio settings and the main program window settings.

Only if you are connecting to our test servers, Singularity or Multiplicity, then you need multiple clients, since those server are running different versions than Tranquility. But then you also have to use "/end /LUA:OFF" or examine this thread (a re-direct approach to multiple clients) or this thread (a "multiple Windows users, set 'run with different credentials' for each client" approach to multiple clients; top part of post) to keep the clients separate.

Which is exactly why we were forced to make this change. The data and settings files should never have been stored in the Program Files folder anyway (not even on Windows 2000 and Windows XP). Windows Vista enforces that programs don't write into the Program Files folder and Windows Vista users are by now a sizeable part of the EVE community. We didn't have much choice in making this change.

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Originally by: Apertotes

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Originally by: Pilk

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Edited by: Pilk on 28/06/2007 06:56:10

Originally by: Apertotes

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Pilk, i thank you a lot for posting and linking your solution, but you must understand that until someone from CCP says it is ok to use it (like they did with EVEMon), i am not gonna install it.

it is not your fault, of course, i just do not like doing things on my computer that i do not really know how they work or what can they do to my system.

still, my question remains. is there any way to refrain EVE from creating a folder for logs and captures on "My documents" without using any external program?

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Fair enough. Petitions take a little while, and I'm unsure if they'd certify my .bat since it's a very simple program with only one developer. I know Dark Shikari is a programmer, and pretty trusted by the Eve community, and he knows my IRL contact info; would his word suffice while I wait for a petition response?

Edit: Petition #693377 submitted.

--P

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well, i hope your petition goes fast, since many people are quite f*cked up with this.

about dark shikarii, even as much as i respect him, he is no god, and i remember him sanctioning a bussiness that later was a scamm, so at the moment, i will not install your fix, although i thank you a lot for your patience and work.

come on CCP!!!! either give us a solution or say that Pilk's file is ok

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Originally by: DeODokktor

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Originally by: Apertotes

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still, even if he has another problem, the problem with EVE creating a folder on "My documents" still exists.

has anybody managed to refrain EVE from saving logs and captures on "My documents" without using any external program?

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Here be Thy Fix

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Originally by: DeODokktor

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Originally by: Liu

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for those interested (hint: devs appreciated), here is how my screen looks when i try to run two accounts at the same time from only one install.

Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds

this has happened to me always, and the solution was to run them from 2 separate installations.

now, even that solution has quit working, and my screen looks like a bad photoshopper work everytime i need to log on with 2 accounts at the same time

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I dont think that's a cache issue.. I doubt running from a seperate cache will help cure that, only a better video card (or video card drivers) will cure that.....
sucks dont it ;P

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Originally by: Irebura

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Originally by: DeODokktor

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Originally by: Apertotes

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still, even if he has another problem, the problem with EVE creating a folder on "My documents" still exists.

has anybody managed to refrain EVE from saving logs and captures on "My documents" without using any external program?

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Here be Thy Fix

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does this fix effectively keep the "my documents" folder free from any EVE stuff?

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Originally by: Irebura

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Originally by: Irebura

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Originally by: DeODokktor

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Originally by: Apertotes

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still, even if he has another problem, the problem with EVE creating a folder on "My documents" still exists.

has anybody managed to refrain EVE from saving logs and captures on "My documents" without using any external program?

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Here be Thy Fix

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does this fix effectively keep the "my documents" folder free from any EVE stuff?

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autoquoting myself wishing someone answers me...

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Originally by: Rikkard Strofeldt

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I mean, its pretty much situation normal for me, except I can't use EVE Launcher to start my client. I have to start it myself from the custom shortcut after EVE Launcher has loaded. Just as well EVE Launcher can do the right thing even without starting the client itself.

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