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murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.26 08:34:00 - [1] Witness the bookmarks! This is the dedication and effort it takes to kill those scumbags before they can run their level 2 missions in their battleships and get away. A three minute window to nab them isn't much. BUYING ZAINOU 'DEADEYE' ZGL1000 IMPLANTS, PAYING WELL, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME
Wind Ictiva Delta Kappa Gamma	Posted - 2007.06.26 08:49:00 - [2] looks like a spider¦s web. i wouldnt want to have business there I was young and needed the money
Omae Gaw'd Gallente VMF-214 Blacksheep	Posted - 2007.06.26 08:52:00 - [3] That's a pretty view and you surely have that system covered. But out of curiosity, did you use an efficient coding for you to remember which BM to pick when you need it quick (cuz,as you said, this is what it takes to have a decent scanning range fast enough). Or are you just navigating with the 3d solar system map which is what I would guess. "Fear the lambs..."
Carvott Milanis Rakeriku Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2007.06.26 09:28:00 - [4] Bloody hell, that is a monsterous amount of bookmarks.
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.26 09:35:00 - [5] Once I get a victi.. er, customer narrowed down, I use the system map to warp around. It's just impossible otherwise. In each system that I hunt in, I have on average about 250 bms, just for mission spots and inbetween bms. BUYING ZAINOU 'DEADEYE' ZGL1000 IMPLANTS, PAYING WELL, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME
Romay	Posted - 2007.06.26 09:38:00 - [6] Get a life
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.26 09:43:00 - [7] It's just so wonderful how the changes to scanprobing works out in practice. So well thought through! - Recruitment open again-
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.26 10:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin It's just so wonderful how the changes to scanprobing works out in practice. So well thought through! Yeah, it's really weak that 90% of the probes are useless for probing out actual targets so that I have to resort to making billions of BMs just to get anything workable at all. If I didn't have to land within 2-300m km of the target to get a reliable result, then I wouldn't have to deal with that mess. We should be able to use regular recon probes on mission runners and have a half decent chance of finding the target. BUYING ZAINOU 'DEADEYE' ZGL1000 IMPLANTS, PAYING WELL, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME
Atreides Horza Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.06.26 10:29:00 - [9] I don't understand what all the commotion is about. I scan out numerous mission runners on a daily basis using a good 10-20 BM's per system and the full spectrum of probes, depending on the job that needs doing. But hey... if it works for ya.
Presidente Gallente Pirate Hunters Inc	Posted - 2007.06.26 10:51:00 - [10] Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 26/06/2007 10:49:50 wtf is that kind of fetish? Pres G +++ JOIN PAP +++
Celestal	Posted - 2007.06.26 11:00:00 - [11] so you go to all that time and trouble to hunt down lev 2 mission runners ? that says it all really . do you hope one day to be able to get a big enough gang flying to try take on a lev 3 mission runner ?
XrayZ Euphoria Foundation	Posted - 2007.06.26 11:08:00 - [12] Originally by: Romay Get a life --------------------------------------
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.26 11:41:00 - [13] Edited by: murder one on 26/06/2007 11:40:54 Originally by: Celestal so you go to all that time and trouble to hunt down lev 2 mission runners ? that says it all really . do you hope one day to be able to get a big enough gang flying to try take on a lev 3 mission runner ? I kill L4 mission runners all the time. It's the L2s and such that the guys show up for three minutes, turn around and run off that are difficult to catch. Edit: and I can kill any L4 mission BS solo no problem. In a cruiser no less. Heck, lately I've been trying it out in a FRIG. Working out quite nicely I might add. BUYING ZAINOU 'DEADEYE' ZGL1000 IMPLANTS, PAYING WELL, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.26 12:10:00 - [14] murder one, I'd love to see that firsthand. :) And in case you didn't realize...I pay ISK to the folks who manage to do it too. You're welcome to bring a frigate, a cruiser, or even a battleship.
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.26 12:12:00 - [15] Originally by: murder one Edited by: murder one on 26/06/2007 11:40:54 Originally by: Celestal so you go to all that time and trouble to hunt down lev 2 mission runners ? that says it all really . do you hope one day to be able to get a big enough gang flying to try take on a lev 3 mission runner ? I kill L4 mission runners all the time. It's the L2s and such that the guys show up for three minutes, turn around and run off that are difficult to catch. Edit: and I can kill any L4 mission BS solo no problem. In a cruiser no less. Heck, lately I've been trying it out in a FRIG. Working out quite nicely I might add. Gosh we're all really impressed down here i can tell you. - Michael Schumacher won many a formula one race. Alot of the time he didn't win because he had a better car...he won because HE WAS A BETTER DRIVER and because he used SUPERIOR TACTICS.
Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.26 12:12:00 - [16] Originally by: murder one Edited by: murder one on 26/06/2007 11:40:54 Originally by: Celestal so you go to all that time and trouble to hunt down lev 2 mission runners ? that says it all really . do you hope one day to be able to get a big enough gang flying to try take on a lev 3 mission runner ? I kill L4 mission runners all the time. It's the L2s and such that the guys show up for three minutes, turn around and run off that are difficult to catch. Edit: and I can kill any L4 mission BS solo no problem. In a cruiser no less. Heck, lately I've been trying it out in a FRIG. Working out quite nicely I might add. trains up probing skills --------- Its just a game. Get over yourselfs. www.eve-tribune.com Dont get too excited now.
tiller kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.26 12:12:00 - [17] you have 1000 * more patience than I ever will.... kudos Kleptomaniacs are recruiting evildoers. Channel KLEPTO for info.
Steve Holt Turbulent	Posted - 2007.06.26 12:52:00 - [18] in the space of about 2 hours collective scanning while bored using 2 20 AUs that covered the holesystem i scanned down and killed/ransomed/ 4 ravens + 1 CNR fully gist fitted 3 domis 1 EOS 1 Abaddon 3 Myrmidons 2 vexors (not killed cause i cba to get a ship) 1 archon 1 tempest (not killed but we got his raven friend) god knows how many drakes. there what i remember
Stakhanov kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.26 12:59:00 - [19] That system map wouldn't load on my PC... I hate the changes to shield power relays cpu use. It's so aggravating to short warp in a helios without them
Cmd Criton Caldari Zooner Corp G.U.A.R.D.	Posted - 2007.06.26 15:14:00 - [20] Originally by: murder one Edit: and I can kill any L4 mission BS solo no problem. In a cruiser no less. Heck, lately I've been trying it out in a FRIG. Working out quite nicely I might add. Are you talking about killing npc battleships solo or the mission runner in his battleship. If you are talking about the latter then i would appreciate if you could prove it with some fraps, seeing im very intrested in how long it takes you to drop a rattlesnake or a nightmare or a decent fitted command ship... Im not saying your lying about that uber statement but its kinda hard to believe. So how do the folks usually put it "proof or stfu" **************************** Great minds think alike**
Lance Fighter	Posted - 2007.06.26 15:19:00 - [21] Originally by: Curzon Dax murder one, I'd love to see that firsthand. :) And in case you didn't realize...I pay ISK to the folks who manage to do it too. You're welcome to bring a frigate, a cruiser, or even a battleship. You misunderstand. Murder One can kill a level 4 mission runner in a frig/ cruiser, as all he really has to do is make sure the target cant go anywhere, and his tank wont hold. I would love to know the setup he uses for that
Atreides Horza Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.06.26 17:20:00 - [22] Originally by: Lance Fighter Originally by: Curzon Dax murder one, I'd love to see that firsthand. :) And in case you didn't realize...I pay ISK to the folks who manage to do it too. You're welcome to bring a frigate, a cruiser, or even a battleship. You misunderstand. Murder One can kill a level 4 mission runner in a frig/ cruiser, as all he really has to do is make sure the target cant go anywhere, and his tank wont hold. I would love to know the setup he uses for that Nonsense. Lots of mission runners fit their ships well - especially command ships - and you'll need to play it smart if you want those juicy ransoms. It's not all about holding people down and let the rats do the rest. As a matter of fact, you need to make sure the rats don't kill your target, or you won't make money on the ransom. Don't simplify things, guys. Real life has enought of that as it is.
Steve Holt Turbulent	Posted - 2007.06.26 17:32:00 - [23] Edited by: Steve Holt on 26/06/2007 17:30:44 what it takes is only 4 BMs http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0706/What_it_takes_mk_II.JPG Ask anyone of my customers
Pharrow FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.26 18:37:00 - [24] Originally by: murder one and I can kill any L4 mission BS solo no problem. In a cruiser no less. Heck, lately I've been trying it out in a FRIG. Working out quite nicely I might add. Just don't try it in a blasterthron without a high-grade slave implant set.
Carl tabot	Posted - 2007.06.26 19:46:00 - [25] Originally by: Steve Holt Edited by: Steve Holt on 26/06/2007 17:30:44 what it takes is only 4 BMs http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0706/What_it_takes_mk_II.JPG Ask anyone of my customers do you use recon probe launcher or scan probe launcher?
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.26 20:05:00 - [26] Originally by: Cmd Criton Originally by: murder one Edit: and I can kill any L4 mission BS solo no problem. In a cruiser no less. Heck, lately I've been trying it out in a FRIG. Working out quite nicely I might add. Are you talking about killing npc battleships solo or the mission runner in his battleship. If you are talking about the latter then i would appreciate if you could prove it with some fraps, seeing im very intrested in how long it takes you to drop a rattlesnake or a nightmare or a decent fitted command ship... Im not saying your lying about that uber statement but its kinda hard to believe. So how do the folks usually put it "proof or stfu" You should just go ahead and call him a liar, after all, thats what he is. You signature was removed. For questions or comments please mail [email protected] -Scyd ([email protected])
illusha Ichiro Edgar Martinez	Posted - 2007.06.26 20:52:00 - [27] Quote: in the space of about 2 hours collective scanning while bored using 2 20 AUs that covered the holesystem i scanned down and killed/ransomed/ 4 ravens + 1 CNR fully gist fitted 3 domis 1 EOS 1 Abaddon 3 Myrmidons 2 vexors (not killed cause i cba to get a ship) 1 archon 1 tempest (not killed but we got his raven friend) god knows how many drakes. there what i remember Is this a joke? You're using 2 spooks and you found all that in 2 hours? I've used snoops and I'd be lucky to find half of that in 2 hours. The sensor strength isn't big enough to get lucky as much as you do. The only way you would find them is if they were out of the mission, not in the mission. You obviously don't know what you're doing otherwise you would be using snoops or quest probes because anything else isn't worth trying. Murder one, what ship do you use to kill the mission runners with? Or are you probing so you can get your gang to warp in? How did you get the bookmarks that are off the plane?
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.26 21:20:00 - [28] Originally by: illusha Quote: in the space of about 2 hours collective scanning while bored using 2 20 AUs that covered the holesystem i scanned down and killed/ransomed/ 4 ravens + 1 CNR fully gist fitted 3 domis 1 EOS 1 Abaddon 3 Myrmidons 2 vexors (not killed cause i cba to get a ship) 1 archon 1 tempest (not killed but we got his raven friend) god knows how many drakes. there what i remember Is this a joke? You're using 2 spooks and you found all that in 2 hours? I've used snoops and I'd be lucky to find half of that in 2 hours. The sensor strength isn't big enough to get lucky as much as you do. The only way you would find them is if they were out of the mission, not in the mission. You obviously don't know what you're doing otherwise you would be using snoops or quest probes because anything else isn't worth trying. Murder one, what ship do you use to kill the mission runners with? Or are you probing so you can get your gang to warp in? How did you get the bookmarks that are off the plane? Finally someone who gets it. That being said, this post is one of the few that are really worth replying to. I gradually built up the various locations by snagging a BM here or there from various mission runners, BMing those, and then leapfrogging out. In other systems (not the one pictured) I have either run missions myself (L1, L2) to get some 'starter' BMs, or used 20/40 AU probes and looked for any abandoned drones to generate som quick 'starter BMs'. I usually look for drones first, as this is quick and easy. If not, I resort to grinding some standing to get some missions from the agents in the system. Yes, it's a lot of work, but when a carebear dies, it's all worth it for me. As for ships- I'm going to make a (crappy) vid, probably seperated into sections by what ship I used to kill mission runners of various types. I don't have enough footage yet for my frig vs. BC and BS yet, but I'll make one once I get enough kills. The only issue I have with making vids of killing mission runners is that they're boring. It's me swooping in, completely locking down a target and watching it die slowly. No muss, no fuss. I'm not in the business of losing ships. Not directed at you illusha: Every time I attack, I make sure that my setup is as optimised as possible against that specific target, at that specific time. From the ECM to the ammo choice to the drones I carry. Everything is tailored to that target as much as possible. I stack the deck in my favor as much as I can, because I have no illusions about what it takes to bring down battleships or whatnot. Could I kill a fully PVP fit BS with a frig, outside of deadspace, whos pilot was prepared for a fight? I seriously hope not. Have I ever made a clame that I could? No. The environments in which I engage are very specific and the circumstances very narrow. Obviously what I do against mission runners won't work against anything else, anywhere else. Frankly I assumed that the majority of players would be bright enough to figure that out for themselves. Appearantly I was expecting waaaayyy too much from a group of obtuse simpletons. BUYING ZAINOU 'DEADEYE' ZGL1000 IMPLANTS, PAYING WELL, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME
Steve Holt Turbulent	Posted - 2007.06.26 22:15:00 - [29] Originally by: illusha Is this a joke? You're using 2 spooks and you found all that in 2 hours? I've used snoops and I'd be lucky to find half of that in 2 hours. The sensor strength isn't big enough to get lucky as much as you do. The only way you would find them is if they were out of the mission, not in the mission. You obviously don't know what you're doing otherwise you would be using snoops or quest probes because anything else isn't worth trying. Murder one, what ship do you use to kill the mission runners with? Or are you probing so you can get your gang to warp in? How did you get the bookmarks that are off the plane? Nope ask any of the guys in turby how much stuff i found on my first day. Archon Domi Domi CNR and there only a few non payers. many more foudn but htere smart enough to pay us :)
Shiela Caldari Warrior Nation United SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.26 22:20:00 - [30] Edited by: Shiela on 26/06/2007 22:21:28 Edited by: Shiela on 26/06/2007 22:21:03 Edited by: Shiela on 26/06/2007 22:20:51 As a fellow mission prober, what he just said is the ultimate gospel. With the right knowledge of your target, and how to tip the odds in your favor, taking down mission runners is easy once you get the hang of it. Finding them isn't easy, and yes it's very time consuming, but extremely rewarding. Also I would like to second that BS flag that was thrown up on the guy who probed all that out using Spooks in that amount of time. --------------------------------------------- Need cheap and safe rearch done? Feel free to contact Steve TheWraith in game, or visit: http://warriornation.net/Forum/showthread.php?t=290332
Steve Holt Turbulent	Posted - 2007.06.26 22:25:00 - [31] i use 4 spooks now and get better results. but it wasnt a straigth 2 hours jsut undocking dropping probes and scanning while i wasnt afk over the last day or so.
Vladimir Norkoff Income Redistribution Service	Posted - 2007.06.26 22:28:00 - [32] Originally by: Steve Holt Nope ask any of the guys in turby how much stuff i found on my first day. Archon Domi Domi CNR and there only a few non payers. many more foudn but htere smart enough to pay us :) 6/24/07 14:22 - CNR 6/24/07 21:45 - Domi #2 6/25/07 00:46 - Archon 6/25/07 15:45 - Domi #1 Interesting definition of "2 hours while bored".. Perhaps you meant 24 hours?.. Furthermore I'll hazard that very few (if any) were even in deadspace missions.. And I believe deadspace mission is the concern that murder one is attempting to address here - hence all his bookmarks.. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Hango ([email protected])
LittleTerror Caldari kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.26 22:53:00 - [33] Originally by: murder one Witness the bookmarks! This is the dedication and effort it takes to kill those scumbags before they can run their level 2 missions in their battleships and get away. A three minute window to nab them isn't much. I thought about doing this not so long ago and put my self off thinking they would all be random points in space, this is excellent work
JSO Milic JSO Intel	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:42:00 - [34] Instead of bloviating your ability to hunt mission runners in low sec, why don't you visit 0.0 for some real pvp challenge. I surely don't mean to demean your success here at shooting mission runners or even ratters, but their isn't much impressive about pvping against those individuals in my book. When your killboards are heavily populated with victims of veteran pvpers, such as members of MC, Burn Eden, Establishment (just a few examples), then I will look upon you with awe.
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:49:00 - [35] Originally by: JSO Milic Instead of bloviating your ability to hunt mission runners in low sec, why don't you visit 0.0 for some real pvp challenge. I surely don't mean to demean your success here at shooting mission runners or even ratters, but their isn't much impressive about pvping against those individuals in my book. When your killboards are heavily populated with victims of veteran pvpers, such as members of MC, Burn Eden, Establishment (just a few examples), then I will look upon you with awe. Ah yes, another troll, here to try and dilute any accomplishment by implying that the effort wasn't any real effort at all. This thread isn't about 'killing skilled PVP players'. I'm not looking for your approval. I don't care about what you think. Your opinion has no value. This thread is simply about illustrating some of what it takes to reliably engage and destroy mission runners. Everyone else has decided to make it an e-peen contest. I PVP to make ISK. Hence, I'm a pirate. I'm not worried about proving how much skill I have. I know how skilled I am. I like ransoming capital ships for 2 billion. Faction battleships for 1.5 billion. Stuff like that. Getting Rattlesnake pilots to eject, then selling their ships. Most of my (in my opinion) greatest successes will never be known because they arn't kills. The idea is to make ISK, not prove myself in PVP. BUYING ZAINOU 'DEADEYE' ZGL1000 IMPLANTS, PAYING WELL, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME
Horza Otho Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.06.27 01:44:00 - [36] Originally by: Pharrow Originally by: murder one and I can kill any L4 mission BS solo no problem. In a cruiser no less. Heck, lately I've been trying it out in a FRIG. Working out quite nicely I might add. Just don't try it in a blasterthron without a high-grade slave implant set.
Steve Holt Turbulent	Posted - 2007.06.27 06:33:00 - [37] Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff Originally by: Steve Holt but it wasnt a straigth 2 hours jsut undocking dropping probes and scanning while i wasnt afk over the last day or so. 6/24/07 14:22 - CNR 6/24/07 21:45 - Domi #2 6/25/07 00:46 - Archon 6/25/07 15:45 - Domi #1 Interesting definition of "2 hours while bored".. Perhaps you meant 24 hours?.. Furthermore I'll hazard that very few (if any) were even in deadspace missions.. And I believe deadspace mission is the concern that murder one is attempting to address here - hence all his bookmarks.. please read what i type
OrangeAfroMan Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.27 06:58:00 - [38] Man, you are so elite. I wish I could be just like you [and post whine threads 24/7 about how noob I am]. Nos - Time for a Change
Leonie Eisenberg	Posted - 2007.06.27 11:46:00 - [39] Edited by: Leonie Eisenberg on 27/06/2007 11:46:21 Originally by: murder one Edited by: murder one on 26/06/2007 11:40:54 Originally by: Celestal so you go to all that time and trouble to hunt down lev 2 mission runners ? that says it all really . do you hope one day to be able to get a big enough gang flying to try take on a lev 3 mission runner ? I kill L4 mission runners all the time. It's the L2s and such that the guys show up for three minutes, turn around and run off that are difficult to catch. Edit: and I can kill any L4 mission BS solo no problem. In a cruiser no less. Heck, lately I've been trying it out in a FRIG. Working out quite nicely I might add. AFK macro runners maybe. Or if you get them right at peak mission damage you just MIGHT be able to take them over the top. But mostly I think you're yanking your **** and calling it sex. EDIT: Oh, God, it's you. Blech. Now I'm going to have to wash my eyeballs with Listerene to get rid of the forum warrior contamination.
Katarina Hetiako	Posted - 2007.06.27 12:25:00 - [40] To you guys who kill mission runners, you ever try ransoming..? Just don't be suprised in a few months when no one runs missions in low sec anymore and you've run out of targets again... whining to CCP about a problem you created is not going to work
Steve Holt Turbulent	Posted - 2007.06.27 12:36:00 - [41] i always go for the ransom and kill if they don't pay
Katarina Hetiako	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:11:00 - [42] Originally by: Steve Holt i always go for the ransom and kill if they don't pay As long as there are pirates like you then carebears will continue to take the risk
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.27 18:58:00 - [43] Originally by: Katarina Hetiako To you guys who kill mission runners, you ever try ransoming..? Just don't be suprised in a few months when no one runs missions in low sec anymore and you've run out of targets again... whining to CCP about a problem you created is not going to work Of course I try to ransom. Most don't want to pay, or more likely than not, just spend every last ISK they had on their new ship and don't have anything in the bank. BUYING CALDARI NAVY HEAVY MISSILE LAUNCHERS, PAYING WELL, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME
Vladimir Norkoff Income Redistribution Service	Posted - 2007.06.27 22:57:00 - [44] Originally by: murder one Of course I try to ransom. Most don't want to pay, or more likely than not, just spend every last ISK they had on their new ship and don't have anything in the bank. Or they just refuse on general principles, which is even more annoying and leads to them getting a clone bay visit without a pod ransom offer.. Originally by: Steve Holt please read what i type Try not altering the quotation? You reflect poorly on a great PvP corp. Don't.
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.28 00:50:00 - [45] Originally by: JSO Milic Instead of bloviating your ability to hunt mission runners in low sec, why don't you visit 0.0 for some real pvp challenge. I surely don't mean to demean your success here at shooting mission runners or even ratters, but their isn't much impressive about pvping against those individuals in my book. When your killboards are heavily populated with victims of veteran pvpers, such as members of MC, Burn Eden, Establishment (just a few examples), then I will look upon you with awe. Yup. - Michael Schumacher won many a formula one race. Alot of the time he didn't win because he had a better car...he won because HE WAS A BETTER DRIVER and because he used SUPERIOR TACTICS.
Spider Iarus	Posted - 2007.06.28 02:10:00 - [46] Ransom? Right, please allow me to pay you to blow my ship and pod. Actually, let's skip the paying part, just blow me. Easy to predict a kill? Mmkay. It's not too hard to kill a PVE kitted ship when he's not expecting you to be there, has his tank stretched as tight as a nun's naughty bits, and is probably halfway afk.
William Hamilton Caldari THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.28 02:20:00 - [47] 2 man team of buzzard + a pilgrim = awesome :P Anyways, do you have a sort of indexing system that works nicely as one of the first people in this thread said, or do you just click the bookmarks in the system map. I imyself do the latter.
K'reemy G'udness Gallente Delicious	Posted - 2007.06.28 18:50:00 - [48] Man, this forum has a lot of trolls/people with poor reading skills. Why are you guys busting his balls? He's sharing information for other pirates on what it takes to scan down lamers who use battleships to run lvl2s. What is so hard to understand? I swear some of you trolls just refuse to comprehend plain text. He's not bragging, he's just showing his work, so get off his jock already. *******s. Murder one: wow, that's a lot of bookmarks, but for a three minute window, I guess you need the maximum amount of scan strength. While it might be tedious work, I'd still like to see your technique, and I'd ask that you put together a video, sped up appropriately of course, with text to kind of share your logic as you perform the steps. It'd be interesting to see another problem solver at work. Not really interested in see the gank, but rather just you using scanner/probes to pinpoint location. Good post! Sincerely, K'reemy --- Recruiting - Named Item List
FT Diomedes Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:28:00 - [49] Edited by: FT Diomedes on 28/06/2007 19:27:32 Originally by: Spider Iarus Ransom? Right, please allow me to pay you to blow my ship and pod. Actually, let's skip the paying part, just blow me. Easy to predict a kill? Mmkay. It's not too hard to kill a PVE kitted ship when he's not expecting you to be there, has his tank stretched as tight as a nun's naughty bits, and is probably halfway afk. That's why you come to C&P - so that you can learn who will honor a ransom before you go into low sec. As for the second half, anyone who is halfway AFK in low sec deserves to get their ship blown up, their pod killed and all their possessions given to some scumbag pirate - or preferably to some hardworking pirate who has invested a lot of time and energy in finding him. Mission running in low sec is an exciting, nerve-destroying experience, especially when you know that there are folks like the OP around. Instead of whining about him, this carebear will keep an eye on local and GtFO when he comes into the system. I salute anyone who approaches this game with a thorough, professional attitude - regardless of their intentions towards me.
Shiela Caldari Warrior Nation United SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:32:00 - [50] Ever try ransoming? Of course we do, but what you non-pirates dont seem to understand is that many mission runners try be slick and get out of a ransom. For instance, I get these all the time. "I dont have the money", Bull***! I have been tracking you for a week, and have seen the wrecks youve piled up and being former mission runner I also know what these are worth.... hence you get popped. "Give me a few minutes", right... so you can get more people to come save you.... you get popped. "I sent you the isk, check your wallet", you failed to add a few* zeroes on to the end of what I asked for.... you get popped and podded. "Oh noes a pirate!...logoffski...", LMAO... popped. --------------------------------------------- Need cheap and safe rearch done? Feel free to contact Steve TheWraith in game, or visit: http://warriornation.net/Forum/showthread.php?t=290332
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.29 00:33:00 - [51] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 29/06/2007 00:38:44 Originally by: murder one Originally by: Katarina Hetiako To you guys who kill mission runners, you ever try ransoming..? Just don't be suprised in a few months when no one runs missions in low sec anymore and you've run out of targets again... whining to CCP about a problem you created is not going to work Of course I try to ransom. Most don't want to pay, or more likely than not, just spend every last ISK they had on their new ship and don't have anything in the bank. From your post you think that the average mission runer has 1,5 billions in cash, so I dubt that you get much ransoms, or that your "costumer" will return. Even a top of the line mission runner need something like 50 hours straigth of missions to get that cash. So after 1 loss of that magnitude he will quit low sec. From my very small experience with the rare pirate asking a ransom,it seem you use a very strange gauge to evalutate the ransom. The ship is worth 100 million, so I ask 500. You really think that people will pay more than the total worth of ship and modules, with a good chance that you will not onor the ransom?
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.29 01:01:00 - [52] Originally by: Venkul Mul Edited by: Venkul Mul on 29/06/2007 00:38:44 Originally by: murder one Originally by: Katarina Hetiako To you guys who kill mission runners, you ever try ransoming..? Just don't be suprised in a few months when no one runs missions in low sec anymore and you've run out of targets again... whining to CCP about a problem you created is not going to work Of course I try to ransom. Most don't want to pay, or more likely than not, just spend every last ISK they had on their new ship and don't have anything in the bank. From your post you think that the average mission runer has 1,5 billions in cash, so I dubt that you get much ransoms, or that your "costumer" will return. Even a top of the line mission runner need something like 50 hours straigth of missions to get that cash. So after 1 loss of that magnitude he will quit low sec. From my very small experience with the rare pirate asking a ransom,it seem you use a very strange gauge to evalutate the ransom. The ship is worth 100 million, so I ask 500. You really think that people will pay more than the total worth of ship and modules, with a good chance that you will not onor the ransom? No. I get the 'omg, I just spent all my ISK' stuff from the noobs who are two weeks old (two weeks!!!) in a Myrmidon or Drake flying around thinking they own the place. Generally if I get a guy in a faction BS with faction mods he pays my (very reaonable) ransom. Because I know exactly what stuff is worth, and don't try and make unrealistic demands, or I know that he'll just say no. And it doesn't do me much good to have a nice pretty killmail with all faction mods and no ISK. Sometimes I even have a ship/cargo scanner on hand to see what they have fit so I can ransom them even more accurately. BUYING CALDARI NAVY HEAVY MISSILE LAUNCHERS, PAYING WELL, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME
William Hamilton Caldari THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.29 07:27:00 - [53] ^aye, those scanners can realy help. Also saves thge trouble of ransoming stupidly fit ships :p
Losmandy VENOM72 Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.29 07:48:00 - [54] Dedicated, but you are one sad git.
Tital	Posted - 2007.07.02 04:02:00 - [55] Originally by: murder one We should be able to use regular recon probes on mission runners and have a half decent chance of finding the target. 'scuse my ignorance but from the above, you're saying recon probes (ferret, spook, fathom, snoop) are no good for deadspace probing? I haven't had any success myself.
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.07.02 04:05:00 - [56] Originally by: Tital Originally by: murder one We should be able to use regular recon probes on mission runners and have a half decent chance of finding the target. 'scuse my ignorance but from the above, you're saying recon probes (ferret, spook, fathom, snoop) are no good for deadspace probing? I haven't had any success myself. Indeed. BUYING CALDARI NAVY HEAVY MISSILE LAUNCHERS, PAYING WELL, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME
Tital	Posted - 2007.07.02 04:26:00 - [57] Oh and another thing, can I have your BM's?
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.07.02 04:59:00 - [58] Originally by: Tital Oh and another thing, can I have your BM's? I don't think they'd do you much good. BUYING CALDARI NAVY HEAVY MISSILE LAUNCHERS, PAYING WELL, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME
Logi3 Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.02 10:02:00 - [59] rofl at that "real pvp is in 0.0" bull$hit Anyway, its great scanning out mission peeps. Not done it in awhile, but its quite enjoyable being out scanning and having the boys waiting. You get the signal. Warp, then call for backup (Well, theres not much you can do in a Frig vs a mission running BS?) and watch as every goes to work, and hopefully bleed him of his isk to fill our pockets!
omnishi tonuchi shimonoso Corp	Posted - 2007.07.02 17:20:00 - [60] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Tital Originally by: murder one We should be able to use regular recon probes on mission runners and have a half decent chance of finding the target. 'scuse my ignorance but from the above, you're saying recon probes (ferret, spook, fathom, snoop) are no good for deadspace probing? I haven't had any success myself. Indeed. What type of probes do you use then?
lord orei	Posted - 2007.07.02 23:22:00 - [61] Originally by: murder one Originally by: illusha Quote: As for ships- I'm going to make a (crappy) vid, probably seperated into sections by what ship I used to kill mission runners of various types. I don't have enough footage yet for my frig vs. BC and BS yet, but I'll make one once I get enough kills. The only issue I have with making vids of killing mission runners is that they're boring. It's me swooping in, completely locking down a target and watching it die slowly. No muss, no fuss. I'm not in the business of losing ships. I'm sure it will be a lovely vid of you getting destroyed by Ravens and Nighthawks.
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.07.03 08:19:00 - [62] Originally by: lord orei Originally by: murder one Originally by: illusha Quote: As for ships- I'm going to make a (crappy) vid, probably seperated into sections by what ship I used to kill mission runners of various types. I don't have enough footage yet for my frig vs. BC and BS yet, but I'll make one once I get enough kills. The only issue I have with making vids of killing mission runners is that they're boring. It's me swooping in, completely locking down a target and watching it die slowly. No muss, no fuss. I'm not in the business of losing ships. I'm sure it will be a lovely vid of you getting destroyed by Ravens and Nighthawks. Post with your main noob. BUYING CALDARI NAVY HEAVY MISSILE LAUNCHERS, PAYING WELL, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.03 09:39:00 - [63] Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 03/07/2007 09:39:06 Originally by: FT Diomedes That's why you come to C&P - so that you can learn who will honor a ransom before you go into low sec. As for the second half, anyone who is halfway AFK in low sec deserves to get their ship blown up, their pod killed and all their possessions given to some scumbag pirate - or preferably to some hardworking pirate who has invested a lot of time and energy in finding him. Mission running in low sec is an exciting, nerve-destroying experience, especially when you know that there are folks like the OP around. Instead of whining about him, this carebear will keep an eye on local and GtFO when he comes into the system. I salute anyone who approaches this game with a thorough, professional attitude - regardless of their intentions towards me. Nice post actually And as for the "oooo...come to 0.0 and find real fights blah blah blah" comments-you may want to research some of the pilots here. You'll find plenty of 0.0 alliance veterans who have been there and done that. More to the point I suspect that comment is most often flung out by angry alliance mission running/hauling alts trying to earn isk for a crappy sniper setup so they too can enjoy the finer aspects of "ok...gang warp to snipe spot....F1-F8...realign to POS....acccc*k bubble...damn gotta mission run again" 0.0 combat. Or the "hey lets camp 50 ships on N-RAEL and blow every velator that happens thru because they threaten our SPACE" 0.0 combat? Shall I go on? Nahh...can't be asked "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA

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