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Ricchar Drogo Pringles Inc. YouWhat	Posted - 2007.06.27 01:44:00 - [31] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Ricchar Drogo Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Ricchar Drogo Originally by: DubanFP Originally by: Ricchar Drogo attention all idiots in the thread* the term PVPer, PVE, PK, anti-PK, gank....this all predates wow and eve online. stop being stupid. That doesn't mean those terms have a place in EVE. I never said WoW in particular, i mainly stressed from games that ARE NOT EVE. hello? those terms were born when massive multiplayer online games came out- and eve is just another game in that format- so yes these terms do have a place in eve. Hi! What game are you playing? eve is just another online game Meridian 59- came out back in 1996 and had tons of pvp in it. PK, PVE, PVP started then Ultima Online came out in 1997- again the same terms where used...newbie was what "l337" people called noobs. everquest came out in 1999- Mobs started to be used- and all of the same terms as above. newbie was transformed into newb.... eve is not special sorry So in all these games you were allowed kill anyone anywhere anytime once you accept the consequences, there was no hard distinction between a PvPer and PvEer (generally known as 'PvP flag'), going around randomly attacking people 'for the lulz' was not only acceptable but a common lifestyle choice, and all the biggest non-PvP collaborative efforts ('empire building') had to, by design, be undertaken in an area of the game world with no rules whatsoever? Oh, ok then. yep pretty much- but then people started to get **ed off. then UO split the shard into trammel (carebear land) and normal land. Everquest followed suit with PVP and non PVP servers. Eve online is a lot like how UO was in the past- but had a built in trammel(empire) from the start. IBTL
Zeonos Amarr Fairtrade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.27 02:08:00 - [32] Originally by: Fink Angel Originally by: Zeonos okay. let me cut this out. P = Player V = Versus E = Equipment. "Environment" is my understanding. its slippet :) corrected now. Image gallery with some of the new ship models.
Renosha Argaron Caldari The Celestial Free Miner's Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.06.27 02:21:00 - [33] Originally by: Fresh Prinz Edited by: Fresh Prinz on 26/06/2007 22:00:23 Edited by: Fresh Prinz on 26/06/2007 21:58:33 LMAO quite simply.. calling someone a pvper in this game quite possibly has to be the noobiest remark managable.. you get carebears.. and then you get eve online players. none of this "pvper and none pvper" bull.. stop calling people PvPers damn it.. it's really really nubishtastic Eve online is not World of****craft where you get people with PvP on and PvP off and those who want to fight type /duel or click it.. u have to pvp in this game no matter what. go home WoW noobs I R T3H TROLL QU33N! Calling someone a carebear when you where once a carebear yourself is also very "nubishtastic" as you put it. Regards Renosha
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.06.27 02:51:00 - [34] Well... again... according to the ppl that MAKE this game, at least the term PVP DOES have a plave in EVE after all: The environment plays a big part but EVE is a "PvP" game. Irony: Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true
max bygraves	Posted - 2007.06.27 04:16:00 - [35] Anyone that uses the word "Nubish" is about 10-14 years of age.
Lord Sylar Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.27 06:57:00 - [36] Edited by: Lord Sylar on 27/06/2007 06:55:45 Originally by: Renosha Argaron Calling someone a carebear when you where once a carebear yourself is also very "nubishtastic" as you put it. I laughed when he said there is no PvPers but there are Carebears. If he really wanted to make a point he should replace all occurances of PvPers with Carebears and visa-versa, in his original post.
Lord Sylar Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.27 07:10:00 - [37] Edited by: Lord Sylar on 27/06/2007 07:08:56 Wrong post sorry.
Sian Tairnesh Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.27 09:11:00 - [38] Edited by: Sian Tairnesh on 27/06/2007 09:10:29 I have said this before, and it still holds true: By the standards of the often-quoted post of oveur, every single online game is a PvP game. Because you always compete with other players. The only PvE games would be single player games. And I, personally, think that makes the whole distinction quite obsolete. So if you use the term PvP, if you don't relate to combat exclusively, you shouldn't be using it at all IMHO. That being said I'm astonished as to how narrow-minded some people can get. I really wish everyone in EVE would accept the fact that there are people who enjoy the game without blasting other player's ships into oblivion. You don't have to understand it, but it would be nice if you wouldn't treat that playstile as something inferior. -------------------------------------------- We're sorry, something happened. -Sincerely, CCP
Heidi Engineswat	Posted - 2007.06.27 09:16:00 - [39] Originally by: Shameless Avenger Funny related facts: 1) Many so called low-sec/0.0 PvPiers are 99% of the time in high sec empire mission hubs. My location agent don't lie. 2) Many of them say mission running should be eliminated. Yet, they have excelent standings with all level 4 agents in game. 3) Many say they PvP every day, and yet they don't appear much on any killboard (google ftw). 4) Most of them say that EVE PvE must die, yet they go to mmorpg.com and vote for EvE as "best PvE Game". this post wins. awesome. close the thread please.
ry ry StateCorp	Posted - 2007.06.27 09:17:00 - [40] Originally by: Richard Aiel Originally by: Oveur We consider almost every activity in EVE to be "PvP". We've touched on this before, the basic example always used is that, you as a pilot doing a mission for an agent ties into a lot of elements where you are competing with other players. "PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale. You're competing in price and supply. So... according to the makers of the game... not so much... Oveur only said that to make miners feel better about themselves.
Araxmas The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2007.06.27 09:58:00 - [41] Ah the OP...the human geneseed at it's lowest. -------- Robbie Rotten left me
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:45:00 - [42] Originally by: Hannobaal Like 'guild', 'mobs', 'crafters'... I haven't even played WoW (or any other MMORPG but this one), and I can still recognize stupid terms imported from WoW. "Guild" and "Crafters" sound out of place in Eve, primarily because it's not a medieval knights and armour setting. "Mob" I think doesn't sound untoward. It was used heavily in DAoC but I don't ever hear it used in relation to Eve, so don't use it myself. If you want the one MMOG term that really grates me, it's "Toon". My lovingly hand built characters are not effing Daffy Duck!
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.27 14:48:00 - [43] Originally by: Fresh Prinz Edited by: Fresh Prinz on 26/06/2007 22:00:23 Edited by: Fresh Prinz on 26/06/2007 21:58:33 LMAO quite simply.. calling someone a pvper in this game quite possibly has to be the noobiest remark managable.. you get carebears.. and then you get eve online players. none of this "pvper and none pvper" bull.. stop calling people PvPers damn it.. it's really really nubishtastic Eve online is not World of****craft where you get people with PvP on and PvP off and those who want to fight type /duel or click it.. u have to pvp in this game no matter what. go home WoW noobs I R T3H TROLL QU33N! So ... trolling quote not reached yet ? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Eemaavi Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:07:00 - [44] Eve is PvP All the Time. Period. It has nothing to do with Combat. The Oveur quote says it all. Unless you only do missions and never sell anything to anyone you are engaging in PvP. (Screwing someone out of sale because your lot of 20 million Tritanium sold for .01 isk lower than you competitors is Screwing him over, Business is Combat, just on different battlefield and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves. Yeah I'm an Alt- Go cry elswhere
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2007.06.28 00:17:00 - [45] This thread is funny.
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.06.28 00:31:00 - [46] Edited by: DubanFP on 28/06/2007 00:31:32 Originally by: Sian Tairnesh That being said I'm astonished as to how narrow-minded some people can get. I really wish everyone in EVE would accept the fact that there are people who enjoy the game without blasting other player's ships into oblivion. You don't have to understand it, but it would be nice if you wouldn't treat that playstile as something inferior. When you get it into your head that PVP is EVE on hard mode "which is a thrill to put ships on the line". Therefore there is going to be at least some elitism. Very few PVPers look at carebears and say "your an idiot for doing it" and that most are in fact saying "I just don't get why anyone would want to, it's not nearly as exciting". Just way too many carebears incorrectly interpret it as the first one. Also some words simply don't have a place here. Although PVP in my opinion is not one of them. ________________ DubanFP> Feigning "honor" is just a way to get the other guy to screw himself over, hopefully to your benifit
Namingway Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters	Posted - 2007.06.28 01:26:00 - [47] Originally by: Fresh Prinz Originally by: Hajyt I think we should only be able to have 1 character able to post on the forums... fresh is my main btw, he is just in a noob corp fyi since he is being sold and due to other incidents i cant post on my well known character. Since he's being sold, and you admitted you cant post on your 'well known character', Fresh is not your main. And your main probably has a forum ban or you're just afraid to post with him to whine. Originally by: CCP kieron If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.
Beazal	Posted - 2007.06.28 01:48:00 - [48] EVE is what you make it. End of story.
Lastdon	Posted - 2007.06.28 04:28:00 - [49] LMAO quite simply.. calling someone a pvper in this game quite possibly has to be the noobiest remark managable.. you get carebears.. and then you get eve online players. none of this "pvper and none pvper" bull.. stop calling people PvPers damn it.. it's really really nubishtastic Eve online is not World of****craft where you get people with PvP on and PvP off and those who want to fight type /duel or click it.. u have to pvp in this game no matter what. go home WoW noobs Hmmmm why is every one beating around the bush PvP= Player versus player last I recall. It is known as a acronym.
Adrianna Ainesly	Posted - 2007.06.28 05:43:00 - [50] Originally by: Beazal EVE is what you make it. End of story. Originally by: Siigari Kitawa This thread is funny. Yes especially for those of us old enough to of done the old BBS multiplayer games. :-) Toon comment I agree on. Crafters I also agree on. "Guild" well several MMORPGS call it a different things(Corp, Clan, etc...) it still has very similar function.
Naiko NakataH Shadow Assasins The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.06.28 06:05:00 - [51] I dont wish to shock some of you but gasp there were many games around BEFORE world of warcraft that used terms such as mobs, guilds, crafters, pvp/pve, pking etc. So to say these are "imported" from world of warcraft is very false they are used way before world of warcraft was even being created. I see PvP and PvE as acceptable terms for EVE because you are doing exactly what the words imply; Player Versus Player Player Versus Enviroment PKing is one i dont use, and havent used since i was about 14 playing my first ever PC game (gogo runescape) but you are still by the definition of the word Player Killing. Guild isnt acceptable because you're not in a guild, you're in a corporation and i can see why this annoys people. Having played several RPG's i never liked the term "mob" myself i prefered just to say NPC i dont really know that much about EVE, my character is a year old and i've played only a fraction of that and i've never understood why the NPC's are called rats but i use it anyway since it seems to be the universally used term. The immaturity in the OP's post is quite clear to see, im not going to say something like "christ you must be like 13" because i've seen 13 year olds far more mature than 20+ year olds and i think maturity is only relative to age up to a certain point. However what i will say to the OP is.. grow the f*ck up.
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.06.28 06:26:00 - [52] Originally by: Namingway Originally by: Fresh Prinz Originally by: Hajyt I think we should only be able to have 1 character able to post on the forums... fresh is my main btw, he is just in a noob corp fyi since he is being sold and due to other incidents i cant post on my well known character. Since he's being sold, and you admitted you cant post on your 'well known character', Fresh is not your main. And your main probably has a forum ban or you're just afraid to post with him to whine. It doesnt matter much cuz fresh is on permaban I think after the 6T3 thread... I know of at least 5 mails that got sent to CCP cause of his trolling there. Irony: Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.06.28 06:30:00 - [53] Originally by: Naiko NakataH i've never understood why the NPC's are called rats I believe its cause theyre pirates and rat is shortened Irony: Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true
Slasher Arcana	Posted - 2007.06.28 06:39:00 - [54] Originally by: Fink Angel Originally by: Hannobaal Like 'guild', 'mobs', 'crafters'... I haven't even played WoW (or any other MMORPG but this one), and I can still recognize stupid terms imported from WoW. "Guild" and "Crafters" sound out of place in Eve, primarily because it's not a medieval knights and armour setting. Interesting... Oh, what's this: Is that a medieval shield? Gosh a medieval suit of armor => Oh and we kill rats in EVE too!
Adrianna Ainesly	Posted - 2007.06.28 06:48:00 - [55] Edited by: Adrianna Ainesly on 28/06/2007 06:49:34 Originally by: Naiko NakataH I dont wish to shock some of you but gasp there were many games around BEFORE world of warcraft that used terms such as mobs, guilds, crafters, pvp/pve, pking etc. True. Quote: PKing is one i dont use, and havent used since i was about 14 playing my first ever PC game (gogo runescape) but you are still by the definition of the word Player Killing. I hear that term more with fps. My son plays RS. My first computer game (Apple ][e) was probably Ultima 1(The First Age of Darkness). First BBS game would of been LORD or Asylum(Food Fight was also funny and TradeWars). On the Vic20 though it was Galaxia and PacMan. Quote: Guild isnt acceptable because you're not in a guild, you're in a corporation and i can see why this annoys people. True however they have similar functions. As noted here: http://www.eve-online.com/faq/faq_06.asp So perhaps their own definition helps perpetuate the cross use of the term. Quote: Having played several RPG's i never liked the term "mob" myself i prefered just to say NPC I tend to perfer the term NPC as well but that dates back to games such as AD&D and Top Secret.
Naiko NakataH Shadow Assasins The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.06.28 13:48:00 - [56] Quote: PKing is one i dont use, and havent used since i was about 14 playing my first ever PC game (gogo runescape) but you are still by the definition of the word Player Killing. I hear that term more with fps. My son plays RS. My first computer game (Apple ][e) was probably Ultima 1(The First Age of Darkness). First BBS game would of been LORD or Asylum(Food Fight was also funny and TradeWars). On the Vic20 though it was Galaxia and PacMan. You should ban your son from that game, it ruin's lives! way back when i first saw it, it was still 2d and arguably a much better game.. the pvp was more fun atleast.. i used to shake when pvping because if you die you lose everything :( it was the sole reason i bought my first PC.. to play that game.(i believe my first PC was something like 1.3ghz AMD, 128mb RAM and onboard graphics) anyway when it went 3d i left, played CS for a while then moved onto MMO games and have since lost 2 jobs failed my last year of school and wasted alot of time sitting around doing nothing. fortunatly i have my priorities correct now but it took long enough. stop him before its too late.
Gabriel Karade Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.28 14:12:00 - [57] Originally by: Fink Angel Originally by: Zeonos okay. let me cut this out. P = Player V = Versus E = Equipment. "Environment" is my understanding. Player vs. equipment - also known as 'lag' ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.28 14:18:00 - [58] Originally by: MotoTsume Originally by: Fresh Prinz Edited by: Fresh Prinz on 26/06/2007 22:00:23 Edited by: Fresh Prinz on 26/06/2007 21:58:33 LMAO quite simply.. calling someone a pvper in this game quite possibly has to be the noobiest remark managable.. you get carebears.. and then you get eve online players. none of this "pvper and none pvper" bull.. stop calling people PvPers damn it.. it's really really nubishtastic Eve online is not World of****craft where you get people with PvP on and PvP off and those who want to fight type /duel or click it.. u have to pvp in this game no matter what. go home WoW noobs I R T3H TROLL QU33N! A lot in this post point to imaturity in the OP - I have highlighted most I have done the same DE
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.06.28 14:26:00 - [59] Originally by: Sian Tairnesh Edited by: Sian Tairnesh on 27/06/2007 09:10:29 I have said this before, and it still holds true: By the standards of the often-quoted post of oveur, every single online game is a PvP game. Because you always compete with other players. The only PvE games would be single player games. Really? Even Eve has a form of true PvE: Missions. Since they are instanced, you are not competing with anyone else. Contrast this to mining, where a dedicated miner fleet can deny entire belts to other people. Instanced content removes the indirect competition with other players, and I was under the impression that instancing is common in 'most MMOGs'. - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means
Eshletho Swordbruden Mining and Security Service Inc. Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.06.28 14:42:00 - [60] EVE is exactly what you make it. A universe full of pray and predators, a huge sparkling market full of opportunities, a world of customers and competitors, vast areas of the unknown or hidden etc. etc. all of the above and more or a combination of those you find the more interesting. With that in mind, of-course simple labels as pvp and non-pvp do simply not make sense in such a universe. - Eshletho Juggler of units, cargo space and isk. EVE on OS X at full speed

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