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Choone	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:28:00 - [1] Good for you! As a mission runner for most of my EVE life I enjoy this game immensely. When the scan probes first came out I lost a couple ships when I was running mission in low sec, but that was my choice and my risk. I make plenty of cash and faction points solo'ing lvl4 missions in high sec. I have travelled through low and 0.0 space for quite a distance, exploring, and testing my luck. But I keep coming back to missions and high sec space. I have been a part of a couple of corps for a short time, but I am happier on my own. All that being said, I do Not have a problem with what BoB has done, or what pirates have done or are doing, or gate camping. Its part of what makes this game a pulse-pounding experience. You travel outside of your base, risk happens. It is lower risk in high sec space, but still risky. Driving to the store from your house can have you involved in a car wreck. When that happens do you flame the other driver on the forums because it happened inside the city limits where you are supposed to be safe? That was a poor example I know, but you get the point. Relax and enjoy the game for what it is folks. Join one of the mega corps if you want to be on the winning side. Or plot your own takeover. Empires never last. Dear Choone, You stink, have no skills, are a carebear mission runner, and have loose morals, and poor spelling. You stink, and your mother smells of elderberries. There, I got some of the flaming out of the way for you guys. Enjoy.
Natsuki Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:31:00 - [2] my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp? tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:32:00 - [3] Originally by: Natsuki my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp? tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp. Geez. The guy just explained that he's tried PvP and most of what the game has to offer, and yet he comes back to mission running. I'm a PvPer. I also enjoy mission running. The two are not mutually exclusive. Belive it or not, missions can be quite enjoyable. Step off your high horse. Your playstyle ain't the only right one.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:33:00 - [4] Originally by: Krulla Originally by: Natsuki my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp? tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp. Geez. The guy just explained that he's tried PvP and most of what the game has to offer, and yet he comes back to mission running. I'm a PvPer. I also enjoy mission running. The two are not mutually exclusive. Belive it or not, missions can be quite enjoyable. Step off your high horse. Your playstyle ain't the only right one. Kayosoni said if you only run missions. He did not say that missions and PvP are mutually exclusive, nor did he say missions are worthless. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:34:00 - [5] Originally by: Natsuki my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp? tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp. right cause pvp is the obly thing you can EVER hope to EVER EVER do in this ganme... there are no industrialists, miners, buisnissmen, corp leaders et al in this game... Irony: Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:35:00 - [6] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 27/06/2007 00:34:51 Originally by: Richard Aiel Originally by: Natsuki my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp? tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp. right cause pvp is the obly thing you can EVER hope to EVER EVER do in this ganme... there are no industrialists, miners, buisnissmen, corp leaders et al in this game... Really, reading the post you're responding to helps. - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means
Choone	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:36:00 - [7] Its just how I enjoy playing the game. I don't enjoy destroying other players ships, but thats just me. EVE has offered me plenty of enjoyment doing just what I do. <shrug> To each his own I guess. Maybe I just don't have the spine to do it. To be honest, one of my more enjoyable nights was shortly after the 1rst Rev. patch, when you could easily probe out mission runners on their missions. I was targeted in my Drake, webbed, scrambled, and destroyed. But, the pirates talked to me about an hour afterwards explaining how they did it, and how I could avoid it. I learned alot, and had no grief against them. Maybe I am a pacifists, but I sure enjoy this game.
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:37:00 - [8] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 27/06/2007 00:34:51 Originally by: Richard Aiel Originally by: Natsuki my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp? tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp. right cause pvp is the obly thing you can EVER hope to EVER EVER do in this ganme... there are no industrialists, miners, buisnissmen, corp leaders et al in this game... Really, reading the post you're responding to helps. See thats what I dont get... unless the OP said something about ONLY running missions which he didnt, then what was the second guy even commenting on? Irony: Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:41:00 - [9] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 27/06/2007 00:40:09 Originally by: Richard Aiel Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 27/06/2007 00:34:51 Originally by: Richard Aiel Originally by: Natsuki my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp? tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp. right cause pvp is the obly thing you can EVER hope to EVER EVER do in this ganme... there are no industrialists, miners, buisnissmen, corp leaders et al in this game... Really, reading the post you're responding to helps. See thats what I dont get... unless the OP said something about ONLY running missions which he didnt, then what was the second guy even commenting on? Aside from this: Originally by: Choone As a mission runner for most of my EVE life I enjoy this game immensely. When the scan probes first came out I lost a couple ships when I was running mission in low sec, but that was my choice and my risk. I make plenty of cash and faction points solo'ing lvl4 missions in high sec. I have travelled through low and 0.0 space for quite a distance, exploring, and testing my luck. But I keep coming back to missions and high sec space. I have been a part of a couple of corps for a short time, but I am happier on my own. It wouldn't matter if Kayo's comment about the OP wasn't valid (which it is), your comment about his comment isn't anyway. (In fact Kayo's post makes sense even in isolation) - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means
oDDiTy V2 Epic.	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Richard Aiel Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 27/06/2007 00:34:51 Originally by: Richard Aiel Originally by: Natsuki my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp? tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp. right cause pvp is the obly thing you can EVER hope to EVER EVER do in this ganme... there are no industrialists, miners, buisnissmen, corp leaders et al in this game... Really, reading the post you're responding to helps. See thats what I dont get... unless the OP said something about ONLY running missions which he didnt, then what was the second guy even commenting on? Reading comprehension not taught in school anymore?
Tyrenical Caldari Random Acts of Violence Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:46:00 - [11] i give him 100 fok for enjoying the game and creating a constructive post _______________________________________________ Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why (don't forget to include a link to it) -Sahwoolo
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:46:00 - [12] Edited by: Hannobaal on 27/06/2007 00:53:39 I've run missions for standings improvement (and ISK, can't deny it), but I was bored to tears doing it. Now that I'm back in 0.0, I can't see myself ever running missions again. I can't see how anyone can get any enjoyment out of killing the same rats (in god awful numbers) in the same old missions over and over again. Trading, manufacturing, keeping track of the market... That stuff is fun. I can see how people could enjoy it. But not missions. And I mean, you're already fighting and playing the game as a combat game. Why only fight npc ships? But hey, if you like it good for you. ------------------
JADE DRAG0NESS Minmatar Night Hawks	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:52:00 - [13] Originally by: Natsuki my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp? tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp. If that was true then CCP would get rid of mining/PvE/industry/trading etc and just ahve PvP. "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:56:00 - [14] Originally by: JADE DRAG0NESS Originally by: Natsuki my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp? tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp. If that was true then CCP would get rid of mining/PvE/industry/trading etc and just ahve PvP. Why is it that people can't seem to actually read Natsuki's post before responding to it? 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
Jinmie	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:59:00 - [15] Originally by: Dark Shikari I'm a BOB lemming
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.06.27 01:04:00 - [16] Originally by: JADE DRAG0NESS Originally by: Natsuki my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp? tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp. If that was true then CCP would get rid of mining/PvE/industry/trading etc and just ahve PvP. Let's start simple; do you know what the word 'only' means? - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means
Natsuki Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 01:10:00 - [17] For those of you who don't seem to get it, I will explain further. I see all aspects of making money in this game (manufacturing, trading, missioning, npcing, etc) as a means to make money. Making money is the main Grind in this game. You make money so you can buy stuff, and once you have bought stuff, you go pvp. All forms of making money (grind) is just a means to supply your pvp (fun.) missioning = xping in a fantasy game so why would you ONLY mission *****? ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.06.27 01:11:00 - [18] Edited by: DubanFP on 27/06/2007 01:11:56 Originally by: Natsuki For those of you who don't seem to get it, I will explain further. I see all aspects of making money in this game (manufacturing, trading, missioning, npcing, etc) as a means to make money. Making money is the main Grind in this game. You make money so you can buy stuff, and once you have bought stuff, you go pvp. All forms of making money (grind) is just a means to supply your pvp (fun.) missioning = xping in a fantasy game so why would you ONLY mission *****? Agreed, or at least that's how i see it. I mean what's the point in making isk if you can't put it on the line and try to make someone ELSE spend HIS isk ^^. ____________ Dark Shikari> If at first you don't succeed, whine about t20.
Webster Belken	Posted - 2007.06.27 01:15:00 - [19] Originally by: Natsuki my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp? tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp. For some of us mission runners, we are using this time to hone our skills and learn the mechanics of the game in a little bit more forgiving environment. It also enables us to get our SPs up and form an ISK base to reduce risk if we decide to explore other aspects of the game. Another facet of EVE is not all players enjoy the PvP aspects - it brings me little joy to destroy another players ships let alone pod kill them. Sure, there are those that like the adrenaline rush and the excitment of the moment but thats not everyones cup of tea. Some people like the more subdued aspects of the game and have solace in being able to watch thier character develop and grow. PvP is not the end all - be all but it does have its place.
Natsuki Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 01:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Webster Belken For some of us mission runners, we are using this time to hone our skills and learn the mechanics of the game in a little bit more forgiving environment. It also enables us to get our SPs up and form an ISK base to reduce risk if we decide to explore other aspects of the game. Another facet of EVE is not all players enjoy the PvP aspects - it brings me little joy to destroy another players ships let alone pod kill them. Sure, there are those that like the adrenaline rush and the excitment of the moment but thats not everyones cup of tea. Some people like the more subdued aspects of the game and have solace in being able to watch thier character develop and grow. PvP is not the end all - be all but it does have its place. Let's be honest, missioning teaches you nothing more than f1,f2,f3. If you want to learn the game mechanics, get in a tech 1 frig and go scramble people for other experienced players. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Webster Belken	Posted - 2007.06.27 01:23:00 - [21] Originally by: Natsuki Let's be honest, missioning teaches you nothing more than f1,f2,f3. If you want to learn the game mechanics, get in a tech 1 frig and go scramble people for other experienced players. And lets be further honest with each other, instead of just blowing up ships - why dont the PvPs learn all about POS maintenance, running the markets, the role playing aspects, mining, etc? There is a tad more to this game than "ganking". Thats what brought me to this game - I didn't like "twitch" frag fests in 1st person shooters and wanted something to fill my idle time. This is a diversion - I choose to fill it my way - you choose to fill it yours. Just accept the fact that not everyone wants to PvP and not worry about it.
Natsuki Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 01:26:00 - [22] Originally by: Webster Belken Originally by: Natsuki Let's be honest, missioning teaches you nothing more than f1,f2,f3. If you want to learn the game mechanics, get in a tech 1 frig and go scramble people for other experienced players. And lets be further honest with each other, instead of just blowing up ships - why dont the PvPs learn all about POS maintenance, running the markets, the role playing aspects, mining, etc? There is a tad more to this game than "ganking". Thats what brought me to this game - I didn't like "twitch" frag fests in 1st person shooters and wanted something to fill my idle time. This is a diversion - I choose to fill it my way - you choose to fill it yours. Just accept the fact that not everyone wants to PvP and not worry about it. Little do you know I have quite a bit of experience in every aspect of the game, besides pvp. I have 2 maxed mining characters, a maxed caldari invention character, a maxed industry/science character, a maxed scanning arch/hack character, I have produced falcons with a t2 bpo. I have invented many modules and produced and sold them. I have mined quite a bit, I have also mission ***d for both caldari and guristas (on separate characters of course) up to 9.99 corp standing. and I have plex ***d from 2/10s to 10/10s solo. Don't tell me I don't have any other experience besides blowing other people up. I just do everything else so that I can afford to blow other people up. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Spoon Thumb Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.06.27 01:26:00 - [23] You know I got into a corp because I wanted to do stuff that required more than 1 person (such as POS, mining ops, joint missioning etc.) None of that is PvP (at least not how you're thinking (referring to BoB poster)), but is still part of the game and is most definitely multiplayer (and not just solo activities) Khaldari KPA are recruiting In-game channel: khanidpublic
Spoon Thumb Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.06.27 01:27:00 - [24] Edited by: Spoon Thumb on 27/06/2007 01:32:24 Edit: nvm - had some snide comment in here but decided better of it Khaldari KPA are recruiting In-game channel: khanidpublic
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.06.27 01:29:00 - [25] Originally by: Webster Belken And lets be further honest with each other, instead of just blowing up NPCs - why dont the missioners learn all about POS maintenance, running the markets, the role playing aspects, PvP, etc? There is a tad more to this game than "missioning". Thats what brought me to this game - I didn't like "twitch" frag fests in 1st person shooters and wanted something to fill my idle time. This is a diversion - I choose to fill it my way - you choose to fill it yours. The goggles - they did something! - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means
eleuthereus Gallente The Wild Hunt FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.27 01:31:00 - [26] It's all really quite simple - different things make different people happy. Period. That's it. End of discussion. If you ONLY want to run NPC missions. Woo Hoo! Have at it and hae fun. If you're a die hard PvP only kind of killer. Hurray for you. If you sit in a station all day and build stuff and get your kicks from trading. Woot! I don't think anyone has the right to say why do you do this, or that, or only this, or only that, or some of this, but not more of that. It's all just what makes people happy. You don't ask or belittle someone for liking hamburgers over hotdogs. Tastes are different. 2 cents added. ________________________ "The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is" (Whinston Churchill).
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.27 01:33:00 - [27] Originally by: Natsuki For those of you who don't seem to get it, I will explain further. I see all aspects of making money in this game (manufacturing, trading, missioning, npcing, etc) as a means to make money. Making money is the main Grind in this game. You make money so you can buy stuff, and once you have bought stuff, you go pvp. All forms of making money (grind) is just a means to supply your pvp (fun.) missioning = xping in a fantasy game so why would you ONLY mission *****? Trading and manufacturing can be a lot of fun by itself actually. Unlike missioning, it's actually challenging, requires a lot of thinking and effort, and things are always changing on the market. ------------------
Webster Belken	Posted - 2007.06.27 01:35:00 - [28] Originally by: Natsuki Don't tell me I don't have any other experience besides blowing other people up. I just do everything else so that I can afford to blow other people up. And thats your play style - don't bring other people's playstyle down just because it is different than yours. Some people enjoy running missions -- and nothing else. They may not have alot of time to dedicate to the game and just enjoy a few hours here and there every few days or so and thats it. If that suits there needs - then so be it. No one class of play style if "better" or "worse" than anothers. I will probably never get into PvP - it's againt my nature and I just don't find it appealing. BUT, there are plently of other aspects of EVE that I do find fun, thats why I keep paying the subscription.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.06.27 01:38:00 - [29] Originally by: Crumplecorn The goggles - they did something! Crumple! Zey do nasink! - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.06.27 01:38:00 - [30] Originally by: Webster Belken Originally by: Natsuki Don't tell me I don't have any other experience besides blowing other people up. I just do everything else so that I can afford to blow other people up. And thats your play style - don't bring other people's playstyle down just because it is different than yours. Some people enjoy running missions -- and nothing else. They may not have alot of time to dedicate to the game and just enjoy a few hours here and there every few days or so and thats it. If that suits there needs - then so be it. No one class of play style if "better" or "worse" than anothers. I will probably never get into PvP - it's againt my nature and I just don't find it appealing. BUT, there are plently of other aspects of EVE that I do find fun, thats why I keep paying the subscription. He never blew it down, he just said he would never understand it. As will I never understand it. but w/e floats your boat then i guess. ____________ Dark Shikari> If at first you don't succeed, whine about t20.

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