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Choone
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:28:00 -
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Good for you!
As a mission runner for most of my EVE life I enjoy this game immensely. When the scan probes first came out I lost a couple ships when I was running mission in low sec, but that was my choice and my risk.
I make plenty of cash and faction points solo'ing lvl4 missions in high sec. I have travelled through low and 0.0 space for quite a distance, exploring, and testing my luck. But I keep coming back to missions and high sec space.
I have been a part of a couple of corps for a short time, but I am happier on my own.
All that being said, I do Not have a problem with what BoB has done, or what pirates have done or are doing, or gate camping. Its part of what makes this game a pulse-pounding experience. You travel outside of your base, risk happens. It is lower risk in high sec space, but still risky. Driving to the store from your house can have you involved in a car wreck. When that happens do you flame the other driver on the forums because it happened inside the city limits where you are supposed to be safe?
That was a poor example I know, but you get the point.
Relax and enjoy the game for what it is folks. Join one of the mega corps if you want to be on the winning side. Or plot your own takeover. Empires never last.
Dear Choone, You stink, have no skills, are a carebear mission runner, and have loose morals, and poor spelling. You stink, and your mother smells of elderberries.
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Natsuki
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:31:00 -
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my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp?
tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp.
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Krulla
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Natsuki
my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp?
tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp.
Geez.
The guy just explained that he's tried PvP and most of what the game has to offer, and yet he comes back to mission running.
I'm a PvPer. I also enjoy mission running. The two are not mutually exclusive. Belive it or not, missions can be quite enjoyable.
Step off your high horse. Your playstyle ain't the only right one.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Krulla
Originally by: Natsuki
my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp?
tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp.
Geez.
The guy just explained that he's tried PvP and most of what the game has to offer, and yet he comes back to mission running.
I'm a PvPer. I also enjoy mission running. The two are not mutually exclusive. Belive it or not, missions can be quite enjoyable.
Step off your high horse. Your playstyle ain't the only right one.
Kayosoni said if you only run missions.
He did not say that missions and PvP are mutually exclusive, nor did he say missions are worthless.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Natsuki
my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp?
tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp.
right cause pvp is the obly thing you can EVER hope to EVER EVER do in this ganme... there are no industrialists, miners, buisnissmen, corp leaders et al in this game...
Irony:
Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true
Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true
Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true
Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true |
Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:35:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 27/06/2007 00:34:51
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Natsuki
my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp?
tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp.
right cause pvp is the obly thing you can EVER hope to EVER EVER do in this ganme... there are no industrialists, miners, buisnissmen, corp leaders et al in this game...
Really, reading the post you're responding to helps.
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Choone
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:36:00 -
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Its just how I enjoy playing the game. I don't enjoy destroying other players ships, but thats just me. EVE has offered me plenty of enjoyment doing just what I do. <shrug> To each his own I guess. Maybe I just don't have the spine to do it.
To be honest, one of my more enjoyable nights was shortly after the 1rst Rev. patch, when you could easily probe out mission runners on their missions. I was targeted in my Drake, webbed, scrambled, and destroyed. But, the pirates talked to me about an hour afterwards explaining how they did it, and how I could avoid it. I learned alot, and had no grief against them.
Maybe I am a pacifists, but I sure enjoy this game.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:37:00 -
[8]
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Edited by: Crumplecorn on 27/06/2007 00:34:51
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Natsuki
my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp?
tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp.
right cause pvp is the obly thing you can EVER hope to EVER EVER do in this ganme... there are no industrialists, miners, buisnissmen, corp leaders et al in this game...
Really, reading the post you're responding to helps.
See thats what I dont get... unless the OP said something about ONLY running missions which he didnt, then what was the second guy even commenting on?
Irony:
Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true
Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true
Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true
Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true |
Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:41:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 27/06/2007 00:40:09
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Edited by: Crumplecorn on 27/06/2007 00:34:51
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Natsuki
my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp?
tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp.
right cause pvp is the obly thing you can EVER hope to EVER EVER do in this ganme... there are no industrialists, miners, buisnissmen, corp leaders et al in this game...
Really, reading the post you're responding to helps.
See thats what I dont get... unless the OP said something about ONLY running missions which he didnt, then what was the second guy even commenting on?
Aside from this: Originally by: Choone
As a mission runner for most of my EVE life I enjoy this game immensely. When the scan probes first came out I lost a couple ships when I was running mission in low sec, but that was my choice and my risk.
I make plenty of cash and faction points solo'ing lvl4 missions in high sec. I have travelled through low and 0.0 space for quite a distance, exploring, and testing my luck. But I keep coming back to missions and high sec space.
I have been a part of a couple of corps for a short time, but I am happier on my own.
It wouldn't matter if Kayo's comment about the OP wasn't valid (which it is), your comment about his comment isn't anyway. (In fact Kayo's post makes sense even in isolation)
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oDDiTy V2
Epic.
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Edited by: Crumplecorn on 27/06/2007 00:34:51
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Natsuki
my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp?
tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp.
right cause pvp is the obly thing you can EVER hope to EVER EVER do in this ganme... there are no industrialists, miners, buisnissmen, corp leaders et al in this game...
Really, reading the post you're responding to helps.
See thats what I dont get... unless the OP said something about ONLY running missions which he didnt, then what was the second guy even commenting on?
Reading comprehension not taught in school anymore?
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Tyrenical
Caldari
Random Acts of Violence
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:46:00 -
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i give him 100 fok for enjoying the game and creating a constructive post 
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:46:00 -
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Edited by: Hannobaal on 27/06/2007 00:53:39
I've run missions for standings improvement (and ISK, can't deny it), but I was bored to tears doing it. Now that I'm back in 0.0, I can't see myself ever running missions again. I can't see how anyone can get any enjoyment out of killing the same rats (in god awful numbers) in the same old missions over and over again. Trading, manufacturing, keeping track of the market... That stuff is fun. I can see how people could enjoy it. But not missions.
And I mean, you're already fighting and playing the game as a combat game. Why only fight npc ships?
But hey, if you like it good for you.
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JADE DRAG0NESS
Minmatar Night Hawks
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Natsuki
my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp?
tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp.
If that was true then CCP would get rid of mining/PvE/industry/trading etc and just ahve PvP.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: JADE DRAG0NESS
Originally by: Natsuki
my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp?
tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp.
If that was true then CCP would get rid of mining/PvE/industry/trading etc and just ahve PvP.
Why is it that people can't seem to actually read Natsuki's post before responding to it?
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Jinmie
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
I'm a BOB lemming
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:04:00 -
[16]
Originally by: JADE DRAG0NESS
Originally by: Natsuki
my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp?
tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp.
If that was true then CCP would get rid of mining/PvE/industry/trading etc and just ahve PvP.
Let's start simple; do you know what the word 'only' means?
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Natsuki
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:10:00 -
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For those of you who don't seem to get it, I will explain further.
I see all aspects of making money in this game (manufacturing, trading, missioning, npcing, etc) as a means to make money. Making money is the main Grind in this game. You make money so you can buy stuff, and once you have bought stuff, you go pvp.
All forms of making money (grind) is just a means to supply your pvp (fun.)
missioning = xping in a fantasy game so why would you ONLY mission *****?
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
D-L
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:11:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 27/06/2007 01:11:56
Originally by: Natsuki
For those of you who don't seem to get it, I will explain further.
I see all aspects of making money in this game (manufacturing, trading, missioning, npcing, etc) as a means to make money. Making money is the main Grind in this game. You make money so you can buy stuff, and once you have bought stuff, you go pvp.
All forms of making money (grind) is just a means to supply your pvp (fun.)
missioning = xping in a fantasy game so why would you ONLY mission *****?
Agreed, or at least that's how i see it. I mean what's the point in making isk if you can't put it on the line and try to make someone ELSE spend HIS isk ^^.
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Webster Belken
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Natsuki
my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp?
tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp.
For some of us mission runners, we are using this time to hone our skills and learn the mechanics of the game in a little bit more forgiving environment. It also enables us to get our SPs up and form an ISK base to reduce risk if we decide to explore other aspects of the game. Another facet of EVE is not all players enjoy the PvP aspects - it brings me little joy to destroy another players ships let alone pod kill them. Sure, there are those that like the adrenaline rush and the excitment of the moment but thats not everyones cup of tea. Some people like the more subdued aspects of the game and have solace in being able to watch thier character develop and grow. PvP is not the end all - be all but it does have its place.
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Natsuki
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Webster Belken
For some of us mission runners, we are using this time to hone our skills and learn the mechanics of the game in a little bit more forgiving environment. It also enables us to get our SPs up and form an ISK base to reduce risk if we decide to explore other aspects of the game. Another facet of EVE is not all players enjoy the PvP aspects - it brings me little joy to destroy another players ships let alone pod kill them. Sure, there are those that like the adrenaline rush and the excitment of the moment but thats not everyones cup of tea. Some people like the more subdued aspects of the game and have solace in being able to watch thier character develop and grow. PvP is not the end all - be all but it does have its place.
Let's be honest, missioning teaches you nothing more than f1,f2,f3. If you want to learn the game mechanics, get in a tech 1 frig and go scramble people for other experienced players.
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Webster Belken
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Natsuki
Let's be honest, missioning teaches you nothing more than f1,f2,f3. If you want to learn the game mechanics, get in a tech 1 frig and go scramble people for other experienced players.
And lets be further honest with each other, instead of just blowing up ships - why dont the PvPs learn all about POS maintenance, running the markets, the role playing aspects, mining, etc? There is a tad more to this game than "ganking". Thats what brought me to this game - I didn't like "twitch" frag fests in 1st person shooters and wanted something to fill my idle time. This is a diversion - I choose to fill it my way - you choose to fill it yours. Just accept the fact that not everyone wants to PvP and not worry about it.
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Natsuki
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Webster Belken
Originally by: Natsuki
Let's be honest, missioning teaches you nothing more than f1,f2,f3. If you want to learn the game mechanics, get in a tech 1 frig and go scramble people for other experienced players.
And lets be further honest with each other, instead of just blowing up ships - why dont the PvPs learn all about POS maintenance, running the markets, the role playing aspects, mining, etc? There is a tad more to this game than "ganking". Thats what brought me to this game - I didn't like "twitch" frag fests in 1st person shooters and wanted something to fill my idle time. This is a diversion - I choose to fill it my way - you choose to fill it yours. Just accept the fact that not everyone wants to PvP and not worry about it.
Little do you know I have quite a bit of experience in every aspect of the game, besides pvp. I have 2 maxed mining characters, a maxed caldari invention character, a maxed industry/science character, a maxed scanning arch/hack character, I have produced falcons with a t2 bpo. I have invented many modules and produced and sold them. I have mined quite a bit, I have also mission *****d for both caldari and guristas (on separate characters of course) up to 9.99 corp standing. and I have plex *****d from 2/10s to 10/10s solo.
Don't tell me I don't have any other experience besides blowing other people up. I just do everything else so that I can afford to blow other people up.
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Spoon Thumb
Khanid Aerospace Group
Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:26:00 -
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You know I got into a corp because I wanted to do stuff that required more than 1 person (such as POS, mining ops, joint missioning etc.)
None of that is PvP (at least not how you're thinking (referring to BoB poster)), but is still part of the game and is most definitely multiplayer (and not just solo activities)
Khaldari
KPA are recruiting
In-game channel: khanidpublic |
Spoon Thumb
Khanid Aerospace Group
Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:27:00 -
[24]
Edited by: Spoon Thumb on 27/06/2007 01:32:24
Edit: nvm - had some snide comment in here but decided better of it
Khaldari
KPA are recruiting
In-game channel: khanidpublic |
Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:29:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Webster Belken
And lets be further honest with each other, instead of just blowing up NPCs - why dont the missioners learn all about POS maintenance, running the markets, the role playing aspects, PvP, etc? There is a tad more to this game than "missioning". Thats what brought me to this game - I didn't like "twitch" frag fests in 1st person shooters and wanted something to fill my idle time. This is a diversion - I choose to fill it my way - you choose to fill it yours.
The goggles - they did something!
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eleuthereus
Gallente
The Wild Hunt
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:31:00 -
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It's all really quite simple - different things make different people happy. Period. That's it. End of discussion.
If you ONLY want to run NPC missions. Woo Hoo! Have at it and hae fun.
If you're a die hard PvP only kind of killer. Hurray for you.
If you sit in a station all day and build stuff and get your kicks from trading. Woot!
I don't think anyone has the right to say why do you do this, or that, or only this, or only that, or some of this, but not more of that. It's all just what makes people happy. You don't ask or belittle someone for liking hamburgers over hotdogs. Tastes are different.
2 cents added.
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Natsuki
For those of you who don't seem to get it, I will explain further.
I see all aspects of making money in this game (manufacturing, trading, missioning, npcing, etc) as a means to make money. Making money is the main Grind in this game. You make money so you can buy stuff, and once you have bought stuff, you go pvp.
All forms of making money (grind) is just a means to supply your pvp (fun.)
missioning = xping in a fantasy game so why would you ONLY mission *****?
Trading and manufacturing can be a lot of fun by itself actually. Unlike missioning, it's actually challenging, requires a lot of thinking and effort, and things are always changing on the market.
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Webster Belken
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Natsuki
Don't tell me I don't have any other experience besides blowing other people up. I just do everything else so that I can afford to blow other people up.
And thats your play style - don't bring other people's playstyle down just because it is different than yours. Some people enjoy running missions -- and nothing else. They may not have alot of time to dedicate to the game and just enjoy a few hours here and there every few days or so and thats it. If that suits there needs - then so be it. No one class of play style if "better" or "worse" than anothers. I will probably never get into PvP - it's againt my nature and I just don't find it appealing. BUT, there are plently of other aspects of EVE that I do find fun, thats why I keep paying the subscription.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:38:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Crumplecorn
The goggles - they did something!
Crumple!
Zey do nasink!
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If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO
BOOO!! - Ductoris
Neat look what I found - Kreul
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
D-L
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:38:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Webster Belken
Originally by: Natsuki
Don't tell me I don't have any other experience besides blowing other people up. I just do everything else so that I can afford to blow other people up.
And thats your play style - don't bring other people's playstyle down just because it is different than yours. Some people enjoy running missions -- and nothing else. They may not have alot of time to dedicate to the game and just enjoy a few hours here and there every few days or so and thats it. If that suits there needs - then so be it. No one class of play style if "better" or "worse" than anothers. I will probably never get into PvP - it's againt my nature and I just don't find it appealing. BUT, there are plently of other aspects of EVE that I do find fun, thats why I keep paying the subscription.
He never blew it down, he just said he would never understand it. As will I never understand it. but w/e floats your boat then i guess.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:49:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Webster Belken
No one class of play style if "better" or "worse" than anothers.
Playing a MMORPG and only taking part in the only activity which involves no interaction whatsoever with any other players is worse. Missions are a single player game, just on a remote server.
But that's the only one. I think everything else in the game involves some level of interaction.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:51:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Frug
Originally by: Crumplecorn
The goggles - they did something!
Crumple!
Zey do nasink!
I terr joo! Zey do sumsink!
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Webster Belken
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:53:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Crumplecorn
The goggles - they did something!
Beer goggles?
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:54:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Webster Belken
Originally by: Crumplecorn
The goggles - they did something!
Beer goggles?
The quote rewriting goggles.
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Webster Belken
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:56:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Webster Belken
Originally by: Crumplecorn
The goggles - they did something!
Beer goggles?
The quote rewriting goggles.
I must be getting old - I still don't get it
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:57:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Webster Belken
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Webster Belken
Originally by: Crumplecorn
The goggles - they did something!
Beer goggles?
The quote rewriting goggles.
I must be getting old - I still don't get it
Reread the post where I mentioned the goggles; I rewrote the quote.
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
D-L
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:58:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Webster Belken
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Webster Belken
Originally by: Crumplecorn
The goggles - they did something!
Beer goggles?
The quote rewriting goggles.
I must be getting old - I still don't get it
Actually i think it's a planetside reference, which was a reference to the simpsons.
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Webster Belken
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Posted - 2007.06.27 02:06:00 -
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For some reason I'm thinking its a Fallout reference - but I'm not really sure without context.
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2007.06.27 02:24:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Webster Belken
For some reason I'm thinking its a Fallout reference - but I'm not really sure without context.
Goggles
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Gorken
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.27 02:26:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Hannobaal
Trading and manufacturing can be a lot of fun by itself actually. Unlike missioning, it's actually challenging, requires a lot of thinking and effort, and things are always changing on the market.
Agreed. Trading can be VERY rewarding and has quite a bit of PvP in its own right. I would also like to point out that one can influence what goes on outside of empire by supporting good friends in their time of need eh? Atm I believe my wallet is a better weapon than my guns. Perhaps in the future I might be good at both, though it makes no difference as Im having fun either way.
http://www.infowars.com/print/Secret_societies/bush_Sab_photo.htm |
violator2k5
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 03:03:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Natsuki
my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp?
tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp.
to have fun natsuki, you should know that already. everyone has their own unique form of fun. weather its npc'n, pvp'n, market trading or just building everyone has their own thing which they enjoy and love doing so its all good.
choone, you wrote a nice post m8 and i hope the rest of your days in eve are as enjoyable as they are now 
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BOB 4 LIFE NOT JUST 4 A DAY
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gfldex
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 03:12:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Choone
I was targeted in my Drake, webbed, scrambled, and destroyed. But, the pirates talked to me about an hour afterwards explaining how they did it, and how I could avoid it. I learned alot, and had no grief against them.
Maybe I am a pacifists, but I sure enjoy this game.
Does that mean that even pacifists can die? Life is strange.
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There are countless games in the world. There are at least as many ppl that dont like one or more rules of said games. That never stopped smart game designers from creating good games.
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Mogrin
Caldari
Spartan Fleet Systems
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Posted - 2007.06.27 03:23:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Natsuki
my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp?
tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp.
So does CCP.
God, a competing space based economy game would r8pe eve.
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Drizit
Amarr
Lonely out here
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.27 03:41:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Natsuki
Let's be honest, missioning teaches you nothing more than f1,f2,f3. If you want to learn the game mechanics, get in a tech 1 frig and go scramble people for other experienced players.
Lets be honest? Okay, as you wish. PVP teaches you nothing but how to lose a ship very quickly. For a new player, PVP is a nightmare and almost anyone with a few more skills can blow them out of space without a moment's thought. As a result, it becomes a bit like a kids playground, big kids bully the little kids and so the little kids stay away from the playground.
Most new players go for missions because it tests their ability to deal damage and tank damage. Many new players go for an industrialist character because PVP is so difficult to get into. Miners, builders and other industrial trades are abundant mainly because most new players realise that PVP is expensive for them. They use their first few months training to earn enough to go out and pew pew for a while, knowing that they have something to fall back on to earn more isk when their PVP ship gets blown up. Getting fried is frequent at first and the trusty barge comes out again to bash a few more roids for a replacement ship + fittings.
These are not carebears but players with a bit of sense. Missions are a great help and have taught me a lot about combat in Eve and how best to attack, defend and my ability to take on higher levels shows that my skills have led to an improvement in my weapons and tank. It's dumb to scramble NCP rats because they don't turn chicken halfway through a fight but it means scramblers are just one thing that I'll need to learn how to use properly later.
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Ladyah Liandri
A GmbH
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Posted - 2007.06.27 05:47:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Natsuki
Little do you know I have quite a bit of experience in every aspect of the game, besides pvp. I have 2 maxed mining characters, a maxed caldari invention character, a maxed industry/science character, a maxed scanning arch/hack character, I have produced falcons with a t2 bpo. I have invented many modules and produced and sold them. I have mined quite a bit, I have also mission *****d for both caldari and guristas (on separate characters of course) up to 9.99 corp standing. and I have plex *****d from 2/10s to 10/10s solo.
Don't tell me I don't have any other experience besides blowing other people up. I just do everything else so that I can afford to blow other people up.
I see. Your just uber, honey. But not everybody can be uber, right?
So let them mission peeps run their missions. Seems they're doing just fine without your uberness.
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toxicvega
Gallente
Alliance among Wolves
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:37:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Natsuki
my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp?
tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp.
This enitre game is a waste pf time, all games are. Its called fun. The op was just saying thanks to all that do what they do, because the BOBS and GOONS and gankers and Pirates and so on all bring thier own aspect, goals, ambitions to this waste of time. Thtas what makes this game different from alot of others. One can litterally do what-ever they want and it is an enjoyable experience to them and all directly affects others.
Personally I like to do a little of everything. I run missions for some quick cash, I pvp till I need more cash, I mine to build stuff, I trade and play the market. I am sure its not for everybody, but this is how I like to waste my time.
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Meleira Luan
Tiger Trading
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Posted - 2007.06.27 07:00:00 -
[47]
When refering to Natsukis post Dark Shikari writes:
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Kayosoni said if you only run missions.
He did not say that missions and PvP are mutually exclusive, nor did he say missions are worthless.
Further down Crumplecorn also refers to it and says:
Originally by: Crumplecorn
It wouldn't matter if Kayo's comment about the OP wasn't valid (which it is), your comment about his comment isn't anyway. (In fact Kayo's post makes sense even in isolation)
Who is this Kayosoni (Kayo) you speak of when you are refering to a (non-edited) post by a character named Natsuki?
I'm just curious here.
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Original Species
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Posted - 2007.06.27 07:02:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Natsuki
my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp?
tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp.
I think its a bigger waste of time listening to you.......
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Lord Sylar
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.27 07:12:00 -
[49]
I'm scared of being podded or my ship being destroyed and also losing security rating for killing soemone else. I do missions because it's safe.
Carebearing at it's finest.
I do plan to get into some action waaaaaaay later in the game though.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.06.27 07:22:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Natsuki
my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp?
tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp.
Yeah, tell others how they have to play this game they pay for. Great.
I guess the point is to have some fun. How people have fun is not up to you to decide. If they want to have fun hanging out with their friends, doing some missions and chat a bit...so what?
And for waste of time ... do you really think it is not a waste of time playing ANY game? Of course it is a waste of time. You could do so many more things which will improve you as person than playing some completely irrelevant games. So, the op wastes time, you waste time. We all waste time here. And we all can decide how to waste our time here.
You almost sound as if these things in Eve have any real worth at all 
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Chainsaw Plankton
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Posted - 2007.06.27 07:31:00 -
[51]
I'm a care bear and cant wait to go pvping. just going to make myself a few billion and get about 5 mil sp more and then wooo pew pew all day :D
and yes missions are quite enjoyable :D
maybe i will come back to them, maybe not. or maybe when the iskies are needed, unless i can turn a profit in low/no sec.
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Mangold
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.06.27 07:31:00 -
[52]
Congrats to the OP who has found what he finds fun and is enjoying the game.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.06.27 07:33:00 -
[53]
NAAAAASIIIIIINNN***! AAAUUUUGGHH!!!
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If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO
BOOO!! - Ductoris
Neat look what I found - Kreul
Hey, my marbles |
Cornucopian
Gallente
Dutch Omega
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Posted - 2007.06.27 07:37:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Krulla
Originally by: Natsuki
my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp?
tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp.
Geez.
The guy just explained that he's tried PvP and most of what the game has to offer, and yet he comes back to mission running.
I'm a PvPer. I also enjoy mission running. The two are not mutually exclusive. Belive it or not, missions can be quite enjoyable.
Step off your high horse. Your playstyle ain't the only right one.
Kayosoni said if you only run missions.
He did not say that missions and PvP are mutually exclusive, nor did he say missions are worthless.
Ahem: whats the point of running missions? call me strange but that denominates an opinion that missions are worthless DS. you seem to have missed the ball here.....
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Groox
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.27 07:37:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Groox on 27/06/2007 07:41:37
Originally by: Natsuki
Let's be honest, missioning teaches you nothing more than f1,f2,f3. If you want to learn the game mechanics, get in a tech 1 frig and go scramble people for other experienced players.
Well I suppose you have been in fleet fights so you are aware of concepts like staying togheter for remote rep, tanking and focusing fire all under FC command on TS. Even webing has is application in misson running. Only thing maybe you don't need is warp scrambling. So in other words joining mission runners group as preparation for big scale PvP is one way to go.
But I agree with the idea that rating/mission whoring are required for supporting your PvP life. However if someone does not find PvP fun I'm fine with that. After all they are still part of EVE economy we PvP'rs also need. So it's win-win situation.
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Tyrus Ex
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 07:37:00 -
[56]
Originally by: eleuthereus
It's all really quite simple - different things make different people happy. Period. That's it. End of discussion.
QFT
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Cruthensis
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Posted - 2007.06.27 07:41:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Cruthensis on 27/06/2007 07:40:48
A few people have said that this game is a "waste of time". I'd partially agree - it is a leisure activity (if you're not an ISK farmer) after all. However, I'd suggest that the time spent learning to play Eve is not "wasted" as such. The game is fun (or should be) and can be mentally stimulating, but doesn't have to be - sometimes I just need to switch off for a bit.
Playing Eve is a lot more constructive than watching the latest "Reality-Celebrity-Make-Over-Fashion-****face" on TV. |
HordeZla
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 07:50:00 -
[58]
My problem is this whole post is addressed to BoB and then has nothing do do with us...
Is there a point in sending us a letter saying that he enjoys doing misions or was he trying to link pirates and BoB together......I must point out thta pirates live in low sec and ransom people more so than fight fleet battles.
I think that the anti BoB fanboys should read whats been said before you hit the flaim button as your finding it hard to read whats been said.
Stop reading between the lines and looking for what it is you want.
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Markiea Alt
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Posted - 2007.06.27 07:51:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Original Species
Originally by: Natsuki
my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp?
tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp.
I think its a bigger waste of time listening to you.......
Yet you go name your self after a BoB alt.
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toxicvega
Gallente
Alliance among Wolves
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.06.27 07:54:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Cruthensis
Edited by: Cruthensis on 27/06/2007 07:40:48
A few people have said that this game is a "waste of time". I'd partially agree - it is a leisure activity (if you're not an ISK farmer) after all. However, I'd suggest that the time spent learning to play Eve is not "wasted" as such. The game is fun (or should be) and can be mentally stimulating, but doesn't have to be - sometimes I just need to switch off for a bit.
Playing Eve is a lot more constructive than watching the latest "Reality-Celebrity-Make-Over-Fashion-****face" on TV.[/qoute]
I said it was a waste, mearly to jest at the guy who first responded. I have a reativly stressfull job as a Paramedic. I agree with you fully. I need to relax and do what I like in-game, because if you deal with the crap I do day in and day out, you need something to pull your brain out of reality. I love the heart pounding feelling I get when I sit 20KM off a belt in low sec cloaked in my Nemesis SB and a Ratter shows up. I find nothing more rewarding than popping a cruiser without taking any damage (EW FTW) . Currently I am Ice Mining for POS fuel, no its not the most intence thing anybody can do in-game, but I enjoy not having to worry whos comming through the gate next, and it gives me a chance to catch up on the forums.
Mission Running 1,000,000.00 ISK
Ganking Ratter 10,000.00 ISK
Doing what you enjoy PRICELESS
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Wraith Brutor
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Posted - 2007.06.27 08:01:00 -
[61]
For god-sakes..
Once and for all, I've made it easy for you to understand...
Originally by: Natsuki
my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're  only  going to run missions and not pvp?
slowly for those that are let's say ....intellectually
challenged among us..
He didn't say JUST "What's the point in doing missions" he said "Why do nothing BUT missions". 
I have to agree. Doing missions without putting the isk to USE seems a lottle pointless to me as their's no PvP aspect. I mean, why not go play WoW if all you ever wanted was PvE?
I can see why carebears would mine / manufacture / trade etc as I can see the market on eve being more advanced than say WoW, and it still involves an element of 'Player vs. Player' with market competition etc. and allowing grouping together so embracing the social aspect of MMORPG's (Training a trader alt myself to try out that side of the game). But until level 5 missions came out there wasn't much 'teaming up' involved in missioning from what I understand. Why pay a subscription to play an online game then play NOTHING BUT the solo aspect of it?
I'm not saying missions are bad or boring or w/e, just that if you wanted to play a game on your own, and shun the 'social' aspects of the game, be it PvP / Warfare or Mining / Trading, surely there are solo games out there which would cater your needs, without a subscription fee.
Also I always wonder what carebears do with all their isk that they hoard away?
To quote a familiar saying..You can't take it with you
Originally by: CCP TomB
Kill my chosen ones and thou shall be name 'pirates', and the no0bs in high sec will not allow you there but we give u three character slots for a reasons. Train haulers wisely. |
Chainsaw Plankton
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Posted - 2007.06.27 08:27:00 -
[62]
because some people would rather shoot npc space ships than fight npc monsters.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 08:44:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 27/06/2007 08:44:04
As someone who has done Mining, Mission Running, Trading, Reselling, PvPing, Pos boosting, Couriers, High Risk 0.0 freightor running and pretty much everything inbetween apart from invention and scamming, I can safely say that Eve is about a balance.
Some people enjoy mining. Some enjoy Trading and Market wars. Some people enjoy Scamming. I, myself, enjoy pvp. While I am pvping, my alt is either on a afk tradegood haul, or afk mining or semi-afk lvl4 mission running (pick target, f1-f8, minimise, come back later, all thanks to sustainable xl booster tanks) while I pvp with my main.
However, there was a time before I started pvp when I enjoyed missions.... well, for a few months at least!
For people to fund their pvp habbit, they need a income stream. This income could be mining/mission running or trading or even scamming. Some pleople play the game only for the thrill of scamming. Some people play for the thrill of market wars and litterly robbing people by speculating on buy orders, and others get a thrill by killing a Dire Pith.
There is no perfect path for everyone. I, myself, would not bother doing any other part of eve if I have infinite isk. And if I had infinite isk, I would probebly give up eve because there would be no value of isk or risk, therefore the grind does have value after all.
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Pelf Matagraph
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Posted - 2007.06.27 08:45:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Choone
Good for you!
As a mission runner for most of my EVE life I enjoy this game immensely. When the scan probes first came out I lost a couple ships when I was running mission in low sec, but that was my choice and my risk.
I make plenty of cash and faction points solo'ing lvl4 missions in high sec. I have travelled through low and 0.0 space for quite a distance, exploring, and testing my luck. But I keep coming back to missions and high sec space.
I have been a part of a couple of corps for a short time, but I am happier on my own.
All that being said, I do Not have a problem with what BoB has done, or what pirates have done or are doing, or gate camping. Its part of what makes this game a pulse-pounding experience. You travel outside of your base, risk happens. It is lower risk in high sec space, but still risky. Driving to the store from your house can have you involved in a car wreck. When that happens do you flame the other driver on the forums because it happened inside the city limits where you are supposed to be safe?
That was a poor example I know, but you get the point.
Relax and enjoy the game for what it is folks. Join one of the mega corps if you want to be on the winning side. Or plot your own takeover. Empires never last.
Dear Choone, You stink, have no skills, are a carebear mission runner, and have loose morals, and poor spelling. You stink, and your mother smells of elderberries.
There, I got some of the flaming out of the way for you guys. Enjoy.
Wow... you and I should be in a corp together.
I sort of live the same game way, except for one small guilty pleasure: running goods into 0.0 with a large collateral at stake.
I make a lot of money at the above.
But the rest of my game time is really missions. I love it. I've been in a corp, founded in a corp, and done that whole thing. It doesn't work for me. Too much politics.
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Cygnus Zhada
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.06.27 08:52:00 -
[65]
Hmmm, threads like these help me understand parts of the game, so they're very useful :)
Personally I play MMO's for the interaction with others, I tried missions when I started but found them repetitive, boring and just not fun, even more as inviting other people to group up and share seems to be unneeded and actually rather dangerous. So from my experience running missions is the realy solo content of the game. If people are happy with playing only the solo content why play online at all! Go buy X3 and you'll have the same thing.
But; there's a difference between having a different opinion from someone else and telling him what to do. If he's happy to do solo-only stuff it does kinda hurt me because that's ANOTHER person whom I won't interact with (played so many MMO's and people just seem to solo so damn much), but this is a free world (or we percieve it as such) so he can do what he wants.
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Fester Addams
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.27 09:11:00 -
[66]
Its amazing to see that thgere actually are people who read threads like this and make comments on how other people enjoy the game.
I meen we all pay the same fee (well close to anyways) and we pay that to play the game like we want to.
If that meens sitting in a station playing the market or gung ho charging a titan in your 2 bil fitted AF... Who is to say its right apart from the player himself.
Sure, PvP people keep claiming that the game is all about PvP and that you miss out on the game if you dont PvP but does that not go both ways?
PvP players miss out on much of the game as they follow the path they really enjoy, and they should play the game they really enjoy, what they should not do is tell the rest of us that we are playing the game wrong.
I dont PvP much but I have a good time playing the game the way I play it and that is all the game is about, Me having fun!, if I didnt have fun I would cancle my subscription and leave.
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Caztra Tor
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Posted - 2007.06.27 10:07:00 -
[67]
I have a problem with what Bob has done. I am relaxed. I want to play long enough to see their demise. It is really that simple. Bob as an entity didn't cheat. Just a select few. But it effected everyone else. I would like to see their fleets become a salvage extravaganza. Simply put, I despise them for ****ing on my parade.
What I mean to say is -- I was discouraged to find out that I not only had to fight lag, pirates, lack of documentation, constant patching, and piwates; but I also have to contend with an alliance that got boosted by CCP. Crap. I really don't appreciate that in a fundamental way.
All in all, this game rocks though. And all we have to do to prove the superiority of the playerbase is exterminate one alliance. How convenient is that? I really love this game because if you disagree with someone you can pod them!
Rock on Eve, I know I will be . . .
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.27 11:00:00 -
[68]
and the titan going boom was fun.
scan probing mission runners in empire even more fujn
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Gorefacer
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Posted - 2007.06.27 11:33:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Wraith Brutor
For god-sakes..
Once and for all, I've made it easy for you to understand...
Originally by: Natsuki
my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp?
slowly for those that are let's say ....intellectually
challenged among us..
He didn't say JUST "What's the point in doing missions" he said "Why do nothing BUT missions".
I have to agree. Doing missions without putting the isk to USE seems a lottle pointless to me as their's no PvP aspect. I mean, why not go play WoW if all you ever wanted was PvE?
I can see why carebears would mine / manufacture / trade etc as I can see the market on eve being more advanced than say WoW, and it still involves an element of 'Player vs. Player' with market competition etc. and allowing grouping together so embracing the social aspect of MMORPG's (Training a trader alt myself to try out that side of the game). But until level 5 missions came out there wasn't much 'teaming up' involved in missioning from what I understand. Why pay a subscription to play an online game then play NOTHING BUT the solo aspect of it?
I'm not saying missions are bad or boring or w/e, just that if you wanted to play a game on your own, and shun the 'social' aspects of the game, be it PvP / Warfare or Mining / Trading, surely there are solo games out there which would cater your needs, without a subscription fee.
Also I always wonder what carebears do with all their isk that they hoard away?
To quote a familiar saying..You can't take it with you
Yeah, everybody gets it. Maybe the one "challenged" to understand is you.
-OP states he enjoys running missions.
-2nd poster states that they don't understand how OPs play style could be fun and seems "pointless" to them.
-Subsequent posts point out that to some, the missions themselves are enjoyable (read: no PVP necessary for SOME players to enjoy the game). They also challenge that the game itself creates no material gain, and as such why should PVP be considered less "worthless" than missioning?
Arguing that running missions is more worthless than PVPing in any sort of universal way is as futile as arguing that apples TASTE better than oranges in any sort of universal way. The world you live in is created by a collection of personal perceptions. Trying to find universal truth in any personal perspective is impossible.
I happen to feel that without PVP EVE would not be very appealing as a game to me. If missioning makes the OP happy, then he should run missions and be happy.
Hopefully my breakdown helped you to better understand the essence of the conversation.
"You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus |
Natassja Johannessen
Gallente
The Nationalist Fringe
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Posted - 2007.06.27 12:48:00 -
[70]
LOL @ trying to tell ppl how they should play an MMO...and i thought the EVE community was supposed to be the "mature" gaming community...hmm. All this time and you still cannot grasp the depth of EVE, odd? Just about every post you read on these forums nowdays gets hijacked and the words "EVE is a PVP game and you MUST PVP or go play WOW" or some lame 10 year old comment like that gets rammed down your throat...seriously, get over it. People live all sorts of lifestyles and have different real life commitments and most importantly different tastes. MMO's give ppl the freedom to do WHATEVER they like, hence why they are so appealing. Just to fill you in...PVP needs PVE in EVE just as much as PVE needs PVP...this is the balance. Contrary to your belief even the mission runner contributes to the EVE universe, be it via the modules you fit on your ship to the minerals refined from loot to build more ships for you to pew pew with. Every person that interacts within this virtual world contributes something...getting the drift on an MMO yet? Careful, too much pew pew can fry your brain =P
PS- Why did you put BOB in this thread? they don't make their fleets by just popping ships all day long.
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Logi3
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.27 12:52:00 -
[71]
Eve is not a PVP only game. Sure, its a big part of it. But Eve does offer a good few choices of what to do in Eve.
But, people who PVP and say "Why do you play Eve if all you will do is NPC/Missions" and vice versa. Dont forget, you play Eve for enjoyment. What ever your doing in eve and it brings you enjoyment, your getting what you pay for which is basically to be entertained.
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tommit
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Posted - 2007.06.27 13:03:00 -
[72]
if that other driver dilevered drives right into me on a suicide run, then he better pray to the ******* gods that i am not able to leave my car afterwoods.
and NO i actually don't get your point?! there is no example of what suicide ganking (with the consequence as it is now) is like in RL.
besides camps ARN'T exciting and the only way it gets your pulse up is when you get so ****ed you want to beat the damn idiot that designed that kind of lame "so called" PVP.
it has as much to do with pvp as rolling a dice and then see what it land on anything else then a 20 and you lose, on a 20 its a draw... what excitement is there in that?
come ON get a dps gank stacking penalty on and fix all those damn kind of scramblers.
its stupid that you can lock a ship completely from warping, the only thing you would be able to is to delay its warp, which should be what all scramble methods did.
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tommit
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Posted - 2007.06.27 13:06:00 -
[73]
Edited by: tommit on 27/06/2007 13:07:45
you most be one of the challenged if you need it explained..
the point is to have FUN!!!
some people like most of the mechanic in the game and love the grafic and like the idea of the concept BUT they don't like to do pvp or they just don't like that 95% of all pvp is unfair odds.
so why don't you just leave them the **** alone!'
let them do what THEY think is fun, it is NOT hurting or annoying any one, since you don't see them.
but NOOO ofcouse i can see why they should be forced to be happyslapped...
sigh
edit:
ps. all in all, pvp is just number crunsing, so if you think of what your saying and your primitive way of thinking, why don't you just play mini-mine or play with a calculater ??
Originally by: Wraith Brutor
For god-sakes..
Once and for all, I've made it easy for you to understand...
Originally by: Natsuki
my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp?
slowly for those that are let's say ....intellectually
challenged among us..
He didn't say JUST "What's the point in doing missions" he said "Why do nothing BUT missions".
I have to agree. Doing missions without putting the isk to USE seems a lottle pointless to me as their's no PvP aspect. I mean, why not go play WoW if all you ever wanted was PvE?
I can see why carebears would mine / manufacture / trade etc as I can see the market on eve being more advanced than say WoW, and it still involves an element of 'Player vs. Player' with market competition etc. and allowing grouping together so embracing the social aspect of MMORPG's (Training a trader alt myself to try out that side of the game). But until level 5 missions came out there wasn't much 'teaming up' involved in missioning from what I understand. Why pay a subscription to play an online game then play NOTHING BUT the solo aspect of it?
I'm not saying missions are bad or boring or w/e, just that if you wanted to play a game on your own, and shun the 'social' aspects of the game, be it PvP / Warfare or Mining / Trading, surely there are solo games out there which would cater your needs, without a subscription fee.
Also I always wonder what carebears do with all their isk that they hoard away?
To quote a familiar saying..You can't take it with you
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.27 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Hannobaal on 27/06/2007 13:32:12
Originally by: Logi3
Eve is not a PVP only game. Sure, its a big part of it. But Eve does offer a good few choices of what to do in Eve.
1. It does offer a lot of good choices of what to do, but not when it comes to fighting NPCs. I'm not saying that "PVE" couldn't potentially be enjoyable (I am sure it is in other MMORPGs, although personally this is the only I've played), but in Eve it isn't. Ratting and mission running are tedious and repetitive in the extreme. Especially mission running. This is where Eve is at its worst.
2. There are games where you can have much better fights against AI ships (with good graphics) without having to be online and pay a subscription fee.
Of course most players do those things at least at some point in their character's Eve life, but they generally do it for ISK, not enjoyment. Just about anything else in Eve, both the economic and the combat side, offers a real challenge and is not possible in the same way on a solo game. (The closest would be the old game Elite, but it's still not the same thing.)
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LordGodKingBufu
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Posted - 2007.06.27 13:37:00 -
[75]
Edited by: LordGodKingBufu on 27/06/2007 13:36:38
Originally by: Natsuki
my question is what's the point of playing this game if you're only going to run missions and not pvp?
tbh I think it is a waste of time if you play this game and don't pvp.
People who think EVE is a pure pvp game cant understand the way EVE works. Who would build your ships, weapons etc if everyopne just went pvp and there werenmo mission running builders?
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.27 13:38:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 27/06/2007 13:42:35
This is written as a hypothetical answer if i were a 100% mission runner, but it applies to all aspects of the game:
It's simple really. I pay for the game, i do what-ever-the-hell i want with my time.
If i want to run missions all day, every day, for tens of years and gather more and more stuff in my hangar(cause i want to) and get more iskies to my wallet, so be it.
I'm not complaining about people shooting my ships(if they get the chance), so i expect the same courtesy of "do what you will" towards my mission running.
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.27 13:43:00 -
[77]
Originally by: LordGodKingBufu
People who think EVE is a pure pvp game cant understand the way EVE works. Who would build your ships, weapons etc if everyopne just went pvp and there werenmo mission running builders?
Mission runners and industrialists are very different things.
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.27 13:47:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
This is written as a hypethetical answer if i were a 100% mission runner, but it applies to all aspects of the game:
It's simple really. I pay for the game, i do what-ever-the-hell i want with my time.
If i want to run missions all day, every day, for tens of years and gather more and more stuff in my hangar(cause i want to) and get more iskies to my wallet, so be it.
I'm not complaining about peopel shooting my ships(if they get the chance), so i expect the same courtesy of "do what you will" towards my mission running.
I don't care what other people do with their playing time. It doesn't bother me in the least. I'm just saying it makes no sense. There is LESS enjoyment to be had from fighting ai-controlled ships in Eve than there is in doing it in some games that run on your own computer only and need no subscription fee.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.27 13:49:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 27/06/2007 13:48:29
Originally by: Hannobaal
I don't care what other people do with their playing time. It doesn't bother me in the least. I'm just saying it makes no sense. There is LESS enjoyment to be had from fighting ai-controlled ships in Eve than there is in doing it in some games that run on your own computer only and need no subscription fee.
For you. Less enjoyment, for you. That's the key element here.
About having the same thing done in single player space games, they are not the EVE world. Even if i choose to run missions all day, i still have the choice to do other things and there's a huge online community around me.
If i told you that pvp'ing is stupid, doesn't make any sense and mission running is far more enjoyable, what would be your answer?
And about not caring? Evidently you do, otherwise this discussion wouldn't exist.
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Cheunger
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.06.27 13:52:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Drizit
Originally by: Natsuki
Let's be honest, missioning teaches you nothing more than f1,f2,f3. If you want to learn the game mechanics, get in a tech 1 frig and go scramble people for other experienced players.
Lets be honest? Okay, as you wish. PVP teaches you nothing but how to lose a ship very quickly. For a new player, PVP is a nightmare and almost anyone with a few more skills can blow them out of space without a moment's thought. As a result, it becomes a bit like a kids playground, big kids bully the little kids and so the little kids stay away from the playground.
You go PVP in a T1 Frig and help tackle. You listen to experienced PVPers. You get better at managing your ship and your SP goes up. You start flying T2 ships maybe. You move into a bigger ship as you get more comfortable with PVP.
etc.
etc.
etc.
You will definitely lose those T1 frigs pretty damn quick but it's all a learning experience. If you think for once that mission running is anywhere close to how PVP is done (ie. your references to damage/tanking), you are sadly mistaken.
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Tundaar
Minmatar
Eve Defence Force
Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.06.27 14:01:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Hannobaal
I don't care what other people do with their playing time. It doesn't bother me in the least. I'm just saying it makes no sense. There is LESS enjoyment to be had from fighting ai-controlled ships in Eve than there is in doing it in some games that run on your own computer only and need no subscription fee.
Less enjoyment for YOU. That is the whole essence of this thread.
paraphrased for effect:
Originally by: Hannobaal
"I don't care what other people eat. It doesn't bother me in the least. I'm just saying it makes no sense. There is LESS enjoyment to be had from eating apples than there is in eating bananas"
Everyone has their own definition of enjoyment. People should respect that and let others get on with it rather than try and impose their own version of what they "should" enjoy onto other people.
Tundaaar out.
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.27 14:08:00 -
[82]
You're missing my point. The same exact thing (killing of ai controlled ships, albeit not in the Eve world and with somewhat different game mechanics) can be had with better quality and without subscription fee.
It's more like saying, I don't understand why people would eat rotten and expensive bananas instead of good ones at a lesser price.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.27 14:23:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Hannobaal
You're missing my point. The same exact thing (killing of ai controlled ships, albeit not in the Eve world and with somewhat different game mechanics) can be had with better quality and without subscription fee.
Because they want to play -this- game?
It's like saying, why do you fight against other players when you could do it in other games without a subscription fee.
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Billy Sastard
Amarr
Life. Universe. Everything.
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.27 14:24:00 -
[84]
Wow, sure is quite a little storm brewing in this teapot!
I re-read the OP, and his followup post...
I don't see why people have to attack him for choosing to spend his time and money the way he chooses? He likes to run missions to collect isk and rewards. So what of it? Is this really any different that collecting killmails? PvP'er pops a crapload of ships and has an awesome killboard rating, Choon runs a bazillion lv 4's and has a fat wallet/fun toys. In the end both players are content with their gaming experience, so what is the problem? The OP is not complaning about the PvP types, and in fact, it appears that he is praising the PvP types for bringing some excitement to his mission running. If you look at it one way, that is his PvP, avoiding ganks while missioning in lowsec. I just don't see how this thread has turned into such a flamefest. Yeah the OP only run missions... So what?
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Captain Powers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 14:34:00 -
[85]
Quote:
It's more like saying, I don't understand why people would eat rotten and expensive bananas instead of good ones at a lesser price.
Some people gag at the thought of eating fungus and yet, others think that mushrooms are the ultimate of foods and will pay a lot to gain them. We should support as many choices in our game as possible. If you want to gain fame and fortune from missions, great! If you want to gun-ho in pvp, great! If you want to run a corp of carebears and dominate the market, great! That is what was wonderful about this game, you could do anything on a given day and not be told what the game is or how to play it.
I really wish I could hire the guy that play the pilot from Firefly, "Wash", just to say the sound bite, "Are we caring what BoB thinks? Do we?". Not really.
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.27 14:42:00 -
[86]
generic reply :
Pff! <insert my way to play the game> is better !
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.27 14:44:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 27/06/2007 14:44:13
the problem with pvp is all my corp members are flying cruisers and destroyers, they dont even make good bait against three heavy assualt ships!
Oh well I've got plenty of hurricanes to spare, and its still fun if my ship goes pop
Real turtles tank armor.
Real men fly Pink.
Nerfageddon!
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.27 14:45:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Natsuki
For those of you who don't seem to get it, I will explain further.
I see all aspects of making money in this game (manufacturing, trading, missioning, npcing, etc) as a means to make money. Making money is the main Grind in this game. You make money so you can buy stuff, and once you have bought stuff, you go pvp.
All forms of making money (grind) is just a means to supply your pvp (fun.)
missioning = xping in a fantasy game so why would you ONLY mission *****?
You've decided that PvP is your endgame "fun", and speaking for myself, I agree. PvP is fun, so long as you can afford it, but for some people, PvP is in and of itself a monotonous grind.
Lets be real here. You say flying one mission is like flying them all, well, same goes for gatecamps. How many variations of scrambled>bubbled>webbed>pwnt are there? How many ways are there to slam a station coming out of reinforced? How many different ways are there to ambush a ratter in an asteroid field?
For me, I've wasted more time chasing speed rigged Vagabonds than I care to recount.
I can't even begin to fathom how mind numbing it is to be a member of Burn Eden sitting in a cloaked Raven blowing up random ships from 100km away from a gate for hours on end.
The point is, anything done ad nauseum is boring to someone. With the min/max mentality of gamers, when you encounter a given type of ship, you can 80% or so accurately guess how its configured before you've bothered to lock onto it.
Even PvPers can get to be as predictable as NPCs. If I see someone's name pop up in the intel channel, I know what they're flying, there's no more mystery involved anymore than knowing to the last ship what the configuration of an NPC formation in a Blockade is.
You find your fun where it suits you. For some, its PvP, for others, its in an asteroid field, for this guy, its turning in missions for LP. No one any more right than any other.
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Cheunger
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.06.27 14:49:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Cheunger on 27/06/2007 14:51:09
Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: Natsuki
For those of you who don't seem to get it, I will explain further.
I see all aspects of making money in this game (manufacturing, trading, missioning, npcing, etc) as a means to make money. Making money is the main Grind in this game. You make money so you can buy stuff, and once you have bought stuff, you go pvp.
All forms of making money (grind) is just a means to supply your pvp (fun.)
missioning = xping in a fantasy game so why would you ONLY mission *****?
I can't even begin to fathom how mind numbing it is to be a member of Burn Eden sitting in a cloaked Raven blowing up random ships from 100km away from a gate for hours on end.
You really think we have one character just sitting there? rofl. We're carebears at heart! (kick is going to kill me if he reads this .. lol)
We want to fight. People are just scared of us or unwilling to engage.
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Lady Trade
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Posted - 2007.06.27 15:01:00 -
[90]
good for you Choone. Play the game just the way it's the most fun for you.
I also started out as the classic "carebear" mining and running a few missions but after a year or so i started to loose interest in the PvE side of EVE. Before i got bored with missions i also could never have imagined that all this PvP could actually be fun... especially if you think about the terribly harsh death penalty.
but in the end i was lucky and instead of loosing interest in EVE i simply changed my playstyle from carebear to regular 0.0 resident. now i only run missions if i really need the ISK... PvP is just so much more fun. |
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