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Hellspawn01 Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:15:00 - [1] Step one: Disable asian accounts to access TQ (we cant play there so they cant play here) Step two: Add an option to petition ISK farmers in the petition system (identify and bann) Step three: Add an option to the rightclick menu to report spammers (like in WoW, it works pretty good there) Step four: GMs make a detailed (!) monthly report about their efforts in their fight against ISK farmers, sellers and buyers. I see them everyday and I¦m sick of it. The fact that many players report them and have evidence (voogru¦s page 4tw) and the GMs let them continue to farm and destroy our market. Threads about macro¦s, gold seller and farmer vanish into the forum abyss or get locked but no real answers come from the higher parties. We are told to have patience, to report them but nothing really happens. Devs, GMs, dont we deserve some better answers? Or are you that greedy already that you dont bann them cuz you loose money? Give us some answers plz. Ship lovers click here
Indigo Johnson	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:16:00 - [2] Step 5: We get the point already, stop the spam about it.
Lord Thalic Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:17:00 - [3] Step one will never happen.
Soriss	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:19:00 - [4] if there is demand for a product someoneelse will put it on market
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:19:00 - [5] Yes, let's ban all asians from playing EVE. Great PR move. Also, you can already petition ISK Farmers/Macrominers under EULA and TOS violations. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie IBTL! IBDS! IBTC! 1st in a BoB Post! And other such forum tom-foolery.
Otomena	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:20:00 - [6] Haha, no. Maybe steps 2 and 3, but 4 is counter-productive (great! Let's fight ISK farmers by writing reports on them!) and 1 is completely ridiculous. An entire continent banned? ISK farmers do exist in non-Asian countries, you know. Should we ban North America and Europe next?
Valan	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:21:00 - [7] Originally by: Soriss if there is demand for a product someoneelse will put it on market Exactly instead of taking isk of people that get caught. Perma ban them, put people off buying in the first place. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Cheunger BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:22:00 - [8] Originally by: Hellspawn01 Step one: Disable asian accounts to access TQ (we cant play there so they cant play here) Step two: Add an option to petition ISK farmers in the petition system (identify and bann) Step three: Add an option to the rightclick menu to report spammers (like in WoW, it works pretty good there) Step four: GMs make a detailed (!) monthly report about their efforts in their fight against ISK farmers, sellers and buyers. I see them everyday and I¦m sick of it. The fact that many players report them and have evidence (voogru¦s page 4tw) and the GMs let them continue to farm and destroy our market. Threads about macro¦s, gold seller and farmer vanish into the forum abyss or get locked but no real answers come from the higher parties. We are told to have patience, to report them but nothing really happens. Devs, GMs, dont we deserve some better answers? Or are you that greedy already that you dont bann them cuz you loose money? Give us some answers plz. Step 1: Not all ISK farmers are asian. Get a ******* clue. Step 2: Go away.
Almirg	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:26:00 - [9] That the real Hellspawn01?
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:28:00 - [10] Edited by: voogru on 27/06/2007 15:29:25 Originally by: Hellspawn01 Step one: Disable asian accounts to access TQ (we cant play there so they cant play here) Ineffective. Would just increase profits for farmers for other countries due to less competition. Originally by: Hellspawn01 Step two: Add an option to petition ISK farmers in the petition system (identify and bann) Probably not a bad idea. Originally by: Hellspawn01 Step three: Add an option to the rightclick menu to report spammers (like in WoW, it works pretty good there) Sounds ok. Originally by: Hellspawn01 Step four: GMs make a detailed (!) monthly report about their efforts in their fight against ISK farmers, sellers and buyers. Details against players getting nailed for selling or buying ISK would serve as a deterrent to buyers, as well as letting them know it's not allowed. Originally by: Indigo Johnson Step 5: We get the point already, stop the spam about it. It seems the most effective way to get change in EVE is to debate it on the forums. Stuff gets nerfed when people whine. Nerf ISK Sellers! And quite frankly, I'm sick of seeing their trial account spammage in the trade channels when they repeat the same message EVERY SECOND making any REAL discussion impossible, sure the GM bans them and they come right back 5 minutes later.
Kolwrath	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Cheunger Originally by: Hellspawn01 Step one: Disable asian accounts to access TQ (we cant play there so they cant play here) Step two: Add an option to petition ISK farmers in the petition system (identify and bann) Step three: Add an option to the rightclick menu to report spammers (like in WoW, it works pretty good there) Step four: GMs make a detailed (!) monthly report about their efforts in their fight against ISK farmers, sellers and buyers. I see them everyday and I¦m sick of it. The fact that many players report them and have evidence (voogru¦s page 4tw) and the GMs let them continue to farm and destroy our market. Threads about macro¦s, gold seller and farmer vanish into the forum abyss or get locked but no real answers come from the higher parties. We are told to have patience, to report them but nothing really happens. Devs, GMs, dont we deserve some better answers? Or are you that greedy already that you dont bann them cuz you loose money? Give us some answers plz. Step 1: Not all ISK farmers are asian. Get a ******* clue. Step 2: Go away. Yeah ... OP has no clue. There was a story on W5 about farmers and you know what??? they were in Argentina. So really you don't know jack. Please stop the racist babble.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:32:00 - [12] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 27/06/2007 15:33:20 What a lot of people are unaware about, if I remember correctly, is that hellspawn's corp and a few others did a bloody good job kicking the ISK farming Yides out (they are called yide1231, yide231, yide3123 etc etc, hence why they were known as the yides). They did such a good job, then the yides came to Delve since they were getting ganked silly by the locals in Amarr space. A few day later they returned back to Amarr space So I understand that you feel passionate about stopping isk farmers, however stoping people logging in from asia is not the way forward. I could be on a business trip to china, and this would result in myself unable to log in. I assume that you mean stoping asian IP's, since they should be routed to the china server, and you were not refering to banning people with an asian name. If you were refering to banning asians for the sake of their name, then Im sorry, You will get no support from anyone in this forum. But if you route china ip's to the china server, then people would use free proxy's so thats not a solution either. There are lots of Isk farmers from eastern europe so that does not solve that scenario anyway. There is no easy solution, however I think ccp should be a bit more proactive in stopping isk farmers. Who knows? Perhaps they stop 1000 isk farmers a day, but they dont tell us about it. Perhaps a bit more connumincation would help. -- Billion Isk Mission
Korizan Oort Cloud Industries	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:37:00 - [13] Edited by: Korizan on 27/06/2007 15:42:28 I hate to burst your bubble but The first corp I was in had a player who sold ISK or its like for a living. HE DEFINITELY WAS NOT ASIAN NOR DID HE LIVE ANYWHERE NEAR THAT SIDE OF THE WORLD. At the time he was burning time and assessing EVE for its ISK market. He moved on shortly after words as he was in beta on the Conan MMO I believe that he felt he could make more money there. But it was interesting talking to him as he talked about how much money could be made playing a game. Personally I think it takes all the fun out of a game if you have to play it to make money but back to the point. Not all ISK farmers are Asian, although they get the loins share of the press nobody wants to admit that there are ISK farmers in every country and yes that means your own back yard as well. And my solution to ISK farmers ? I don't buy ISK so they don't get a paycheck from me.
Hellspawn01 Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries	Posted - 2007.06.27 15:43:00 - [14] I¦m sorry if I didnt explain it properly. But Lord WarATron got my point. I¦m not a racist nor do I have a problem with asian players. Originally by: Lord WarATron I assume that you mean stoping asian IP's, since they should be routed to the china server, and you were not refering to banning people with an asian name. Ship lovers click here
Billy Sastard Amarr Life. Universe. Everything. Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:02:00 - [15] Originally by: Hellspawn01 Edited by: Hellspawn01 on 27/06/2007 15:42:11 Step one: Disable asian IPs to access TQ (we cant play there so they cant play here) Step two: Add an option to petition ISK farmers in the petition system (identify and bann) Step three: Add an option to the rightclick menu to report spammers (like in WoW, it works pretty good there) Step four: GMs make a detailed (!) monthly report about their efforts in their fight against ISK farmers, sellers and buyers. I see them everyday and I¦m sick of it. The fact that many players report them and have evidence (voogru¦s page 4tw) and the GMs let them continue to farm and destroy our market. Threads about macro¦s, gold seller and farmer vanish into the forum abyss or get locked but no real answers come from the higher parties. We are told to have patience, to report them but nothing really happens. Devs, GMs, dont we deserve some better answers? Or are you that greedy already that you dont bann them cuz you loose money? Give us some answers plz. Most of those are good ideas, except for step one. This would just hurt legitimate players, and in the end will do no good, as the farmers will just start routing their traffic through non-asian proxy servers. There is NO racism in singling out east asia as a major contributor to the ISK farming problem, as it is pretty much a proven fact that ISK farming is a major industry in the far east. However, the ISK farmers are NOT isolated to that area, any place with an overabundance of workers who will work for low pay will be subject to farmer shops opening, as that is how the farming tycoons make the real money off the trade. So if china/east asia gets successfully blocked off, then the shops will start popping up elsewhere (poorer easter european countrys, central/south america, anywhere with internet access and an abundance of low wage workers). So, trying to block the location is not a valid solution in my opinion. The best method would be specific petition/reporting procedures and tools, and studious GM investigation into cases of suspected farming. Unfortunately, with things as they are now in game, I do not belive CCP has the free manpower to do this. I hate to play devils advocate, but you can also look at this from another POV. If CCP was really going to get serious about this, they would spend some RL cash and hire a team for the specific purpose of rooting out the farmers. In the end this paid team of hunters, if successful, could eliminate a huge number of 'corrupt' accounts, but in doing so, they would end up costing CCP even more money in the end, because of lost revenue from banned accounts. Does CCP really want this? To spend money in order to eliminate paying subscribers? Those farmers are helping to pay for all the high tech hardware we play on just like you and me. IMO, removing the farmers would be better for the game, it would reduce lag immensely in popular lv 4 mission systems, and would keep the amount of ISK pouring from the 'faucet' to a (relatively) more stable volume. As for the actual removal of the farmers... Thats a tough nut to *****, I will just have to wait and see what CCP does about it. -=^=-
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:23:00 - [16] Edited by: voogru on 27/06/2007 16:22:11 I think a wiser solution to step one would be to prevent Chinese players from running _NEW_ accounts on TQ, since they are intended to play on the Chinese server, not TQ. This would also help the Chinese server numbers. TQ races have democracy, human rights, free speech. Can't have that in China now can we?
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:25:00 - [17] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 27/06/2007 16:24:10 Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 27/06/2007 16:22:11 I think a wiser solution to step one would be to prevent Chinese players from running _NEW_ accounts on TQ, since they are intended to play on the Chinese server, not TQ. This would also help the Chinese server numbers. TQ races have democracy, human rights, free speech. Can't have that in China now can we? Kinda pointless, since in 5 minutes, a ISK farmer network guy can route his IPS via a free proxy server in europe, thus defeating the point. There is no point restricting baised upon IP. It just does not work. -- Billion Isk Mission
Bklyn 1	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:25:00 - [18] I love how the ebayers rally to the defense of the isk farmers in these threads. Anyway, not all isk farmers are asian, though let's be honest, some are. I really think CCP should have much more liberal use of the ban stick, particularly with the isk buyers.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:27:00 - [19] Edited by: voogru on 27/06/2007 16:26:12 Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 27/06/2007 16:24:10 Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 27/06/2007 16:22:11 I think a wiser solution to step one would be to prevent Chinese players from running _NEW_ accounts on TQ, since they are intended to play on the Chinese server, not TQ. This would also help the Chinese server numbers. TQ races have democracy, human rights, free speech. Can't have that in China now can we? Kinda pointless, since in 5 minutes, a ISK farmer network guy can route his IPS via a free proxy server in europe, thus defeating the point. There is no point restricting baised upon IP. It just does not work. Wide use of proxies would mean there would be 25+ players from 1 IP. Easy to catch. Now if they got their own personal proxy for every account... then yeah thats a problem.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:28:00 - [20] Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 27/06/2007 16:22:11 I think a wiser solution to step one would be to prevent Chinese players from running _NEW_ accounts on TQ, since they are intended to play on the Chinese server, not TQ. This would also help the Chinese server numbers. TQ races have democracy, human rights, free speech. Can't have that in China now can we? And here comes voogru again with his racism. "...prevent Chinese players from...". Dude, what's your race anyway?
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:31:00 - [21] Edited by: voogru on 27/06/2007 16:30:34 Originally by: Shameless Avenger And here comes voogru again with his racism. "...prevent Chinese players from...". Dude, what's your race anyway? The purpose of the Chinese server is so Chinese players have a place to play with people that speak their own language. If your a new player to EVE why would they want to play the game in a foreign language when they can play it in their own language. If you disagree, tell me why you think there is a Chinese server to begin with.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:31:00 - [22] Originally by: Bklyn 1 ... I really think CCP should have much more liberal use of the ban stick, particularly with the isk buyers. I totally agree on that one. Every self proclamed "farmer-killer" admits knowing players that have bought ISK. Petition them! Oh but, wait a second... those friends are not chinese right? So if you are not chinese it is ok for you to buy isk/cheat and stuff right?
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:33:00 - [23] Originally by: Shameless Avenger Originally by: Bklyn 1 ... I really think CCP should have much more liberal use of the ban stick, particularly with the isk buyers. I totally agree on that one. Every self proclamed "farmer-killer" admits knowing players that have bought ISK. Petition them! Oh but, wait a second... those friends are not chinese right? So if you are not chinese it is ok for you to buy isk/cheat and stuff right? I petition anybody I see doing something naughty regardless of race.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:37:00 - [24] Originally by: voogru The purpose of the Chinese server is so Chinese players have a place to play with people that speak their own language. If your a new player to EVE why would they want to play the game in a foreign language when they can play it in their own language. #1, The creation of the Chinese server was not because of a language issue. It was more of a local goverment issue. #2, A very big number of EvE's playerbase doesn't have English as their primary language. English is not my primary language, nor CCP primary language for that matter.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:38:00 - [25] Originally by: voogru I petition anybody I see doing something naughty regardless of race. If you want proof of this, hit me up ingame. Cool, keep doing that. Just stop saying that chinese people should be baned, or treated differently in any way.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:40:00 - [26] Originally by: Shameless Avenger #1, The creation of the Chinese server was not because of a language issue. It was more of a local goverment issue. So you agree that the Chinese server is for Chinese players?
Cheunger BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:43:00 - [27] Originally by: Bklyn 1 I love how the ebayers rally to the defense of the isk farmers in these threads. Anyway, not all isk farmers are asian, though let's be honest, some are. I really think CCP should have much more liberal use of the ban stick, particularly with the isk buyers. I am not defending isk farmers. I haven't bought anything EVE related items from eBay. I'm Chinese and just annoyed at everyone thinking ISK farmers in EVE/Gold farmers in WoW are Chinese, or Asian to be more general. Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 27/06/2007 16:22:11 I think a wiser solution to step one would be to prevent Chinese players from running _NEW_ accounts on TQ, since they are intended to play on the Chinese server, not TQ. This would also help the Chinese server numbers. TQ races have democracy, human rights, free speech. Can't have that in China now can we? Yeah, so when I move to Hong Kong from Canada I won't be able to play EVE anymore right?
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:47:00 - [28] Originally by: voogru Originally by: Shameless Avenger #1, The creation of the Chinese server was not because of a language issue. It was more of a local goverment issue. So you agree that the Chinese server is for Chinese players? Don't try to twist things to support your own ideals. Things are what they are and nothing more. If you want to know the whole history of the creation of the chinese server, go and google it up. I'm telling you that "language" was not the reason. If CCP could have entered the chinese market with TQ, they would have done that. But because of local laws of the china goverment, they could not. The decision had nothing to do with language, race, nationality or whatever.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:47:00 - [29] Edited by: voogru on 27/06/2007 16:52:03 Originally by: Shameless Avenger Don't try to twist things to support your own ideals. Things are what they are and nothing more. If you want to know the whole history of the creation of the chinese server, go and google it up. I'm telling you that "language" was not the reason. If CCP could have entered the chinese market with TQ, they would have done that. But because of local laws of the china goverment, they could not. The decision had nothing to do with language, race, nationality or whatever. So whats the point of the Chinese server if a majority of Chinese players just play on TQ anyway? To be a decoration? Originally by: Cheunger Yeah, so when I move to Hong Kong from Canada I won't be able to play EVE anymore right? Keyword: New accounts. Existing accounts would be allowed to connect from anywhere.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.06.27 16:57:00 - [30] Originally by: voogru So whats the point of the Chinese server if a majority of Chinese players just play on TQ anyway? To be a decoration? Like I told you, google it up. I'm not doing your work for you. Originally by: voogru Originally by: Cheunger Yeah, so when I move to Hong Kong from Canada I won't be able to play EVE anymore right? Keyword: New accounts. Existing accounts would be allowed to connect from anywhere. So just because he is chinese, when his character reaches capital abilities, he can't create a cyno alt?

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