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Treelox
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.11.18 08:10:00 -
[271]
 Originally by: Ricdic's Hoe
Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Kitex
I find myself getting increasingly interested in acquiring intel regarding Pyrrhus Sicarii's destructible 0.0 assets.
is it time to start passing around the hat, to collect funds to hire MC?
I got KIA on speed dial
hehe
I just suggested MC, since they seem to be off contract(read bored).
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.18 11:58:00 -
[272]
Originally by: Shadarle
If he can't then he should liquidate ASAP and pay out all the money in divs.
If he can then he should post and state that he can.
He definitely can't make a profit on them at the moment, but there's a chance that things will change. I'm thinking of this thread in particular. The problem is, no-one has any idea how long it might be until things start to look up again.
I don't think CCP is going to leave carriers in their currently slated post-nerf state indefinitely, and if that's the case then this is the worst possible time to try to sell off carrier BPOs (not to mention carriers themselves). I think Wylker is waiting to see what happens in the hope that it'll be something good and he can start running the IPO again.
Until things pick up (or we get confirmation that no changes are happening in the near future, which seems likely) I think a partial liquidation would be the best course of action - i.e., selling off anything that has held its value up to this point.
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Ricdic's Hoe
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Posted - 2007.11.18 13:08:00 -
[273]
As an investor at this point, I prefer a liquidation and a slight loss of my funds so i can use the remainder in an actual non locked down state. Right now any funds in Wylker's hands are worthless. He is 1 month late on dividends, has zero communications skills, and even after months with the isk he still doesn't know what he is doing with it.
Of course we were also lured in by 15% return promises, and a ton of references by corp/alliance mates. Plus his superb communications skills before he actually got the money off us.
We now have no dividends, no idea when dividends will be, no idea how dividends will be procured, no communication from the guy who said:
Originally by: Wylker
I am very consistent and loyal to my allies. I wish I had some way to express to you how important I think business ethics are and how I believe that businesses have a moral responsibility, but beyond simple statements I have no way of proving that to you. In addition, I possessed all hangar and POS roles in my ISS corp
It also should be pointed out how extensive his business skills are:
Originally by: Wylker
Out of game, I hold a BS in business management with focus on accounting and economics. I have personally launched three separate LLCs in two different states and eventually sold each business for a profit. I have worked on my own, and I have managed staffs of over 200 people.
Frankly speaking, I call BS on your BS. No-one in control of mass management in business would deal in the level of communication you have done.
You need to offer a buyback to those who want it. Start liquidating funds. Start communicating with people. I couldn't care less if you start bringing in 30% returns, I just have zero interest in someone such as yourself working my money. You used deceit and lies to promote yourself, you haven't bothered beginning the buyback you promised.
Your entire business plan has failed miserably. As someone who has run companies of your own you would know the importance of business plans, customer and investor communications and the likes. A business plan isn't worth a thing if you don't bother following the processes you outlined and we invested in.
Take my offer, allow me to handle this liquidation. Alternatively, throw a vote out, don't vote on it with your 51% of shares, and see what the public want to do. I have offered you assistance in game both through evemail, mailing list, these forums, and personal evemails, and your friends with no response whatsoever.
Stop stringing people along, it's time to end this thing.
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Kara Rhane
Gallente
Rhane's Research and Development Labs.
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Posted - 2007.11.18 14:47:00 -
[274]
In the interest of doing what's right, wylker might want to simply bow to public opinion and let a vote go through. Even a 'I'm sorry, I'll let you guys vote on this since it is your ISK' would be better then no communication at all.
There has been harm done to wylker's reputation and whether he knows it or not it is getting worse by the day with no reply at all, the one thing I don't think he knows it's doing is damaging the reputation of every single person who 'vouched' for him. Which at the time I believe were much of the leadership in 'Aftermath alliance'. **Note we don't need any politics brought in over aftermath's current political leanings and what that could be effecting.**
But every day makes it worse and worse for all of those people.
If you don't like what's happening with carriers, then liquidate. If you think you can ride it out, then pay the two dividend payments at the rate you promised and continue.
If you think the market is dead, then other get a manager like riddic in there to help out and figure a solution or give people back their ISK so they can invest it else where. Right before a major patch is a GREAT time to make isk if you have even a handful of brain cells and a little ISK on hand.
But don't continue down this current "No communication" road. You haven't nuked your reputation yet, but you've got ALOT of problems with it atm that could be easily solved with just a few posts, or even one saying "Riddic will be helping me with this."
Nothing will mean your reputation will become worth the same.
-Kara
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Meleil
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Posted - 2007.11.18 14:54:00 -
[275]
Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Kitex
I find myself getting increasingly interested in acquiring intel regarding Pyrrhus Sicarii's destructible 0.0 assets.
is it time to start passing around the hat, to collect funds to hire MC?
I find myself agreeing with this... Hell I'm tempted to hire MC myself. This joke doesn't deserve the isk he got from his "ipo".
~Mel
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.18 16:06:00 -
[276]
Edited by: Kirjava on 18/11/2007 16:10:23
Originally by: Meleil
Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Kitex
I find myself getting increasingly interested in acquiring intel regarding Pyrrhus Sicarii's destructible 0.0 assets.
is it time to start passing around the hat, to collect funds to hire MC?
I find myself agreeing with this... Hell I'm tempted to hire MC myself. This joke doesn't deserve the isk he got from his "ipo".
~Mel
Any ideas how much this would cost?
Do they own any outposts's that could be taken and auctioned off?
EDIT
Also as of now I am starting to type up a report on this to post on the Eve Tribune.
If anyone has any copies of the conversations on the mailing list before they were deleted please send them too me.
I am hoping that mass attention through the Tribune ( a major Eve journal) will bring pressure on Wylker from his alliance to pay up.
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Daeva Vios
PhaseShifter Technologies
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Posted - 2007.11.18 20:10:00 -
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Make absolutely certain you include the names of those individuals who vouched for him or have spoken for him in some capacity or another. They've thrown their support in, and they need to be dragged down as well.
Financial matters may not weigh very heavily in the minds of most EVE players, but trust does matter. The community needs to know that they're the sort who will go above and beyond to violate trust.
There's an easy way to prevent further escalation, Wylker.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.18 20:23:00 -
[278]
Originally by: Daeva Vios
Make absolutely certain you include the names of those individuals who vouched for him or have spoken for him in some capacity or another. They've thrown their support in, and they need to be dragged down as well.
Financial matters may not weigh very heavily in the minds of most EVE players, but trust does matter. The community needs to know that they're the sort who will go above and beyond to violate trust.
There's an easy way to prevent further escalation, Wylker.
Heres a list of people, for starters:
Wylker
Spanner Frew
Researchi
Isentro (said he vouches for Wylker)
Aelena Thraant (CEO of Aftermath Alliance)
Vladimir Yuchenko (promoted through prior business)
Crovan (gave props to Wylker)
Korasen Linachi (has 100% trust)
Adam Weishaupt (gave props to Wylker)
Vulture Virtue (director gave major props to Wylker)
Jim Linger (said he vouches for Wylker)
Admiral Fridge (another vouch for Wylker)
Raquel Smith (knows where Wylker lives in RL)
Tychus (gave Wylker props)
Spanky McFarlan (gave Wylker props)
Ender Darklight (gave Wylker props)
Astro Teller (gave Wylker props)
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.18 20:23:00 -
[279]
Originally by: Daeva Vios
Make absolutely certain you include the names of those individuals who vouched for him or have spoken for him in some capacity or another. They've thrown their support in, and they need to be dragged down as well.
Financial matters may not weigh very heavily in the minds of most EVE players, but trust does matter. The community needs to know that they're the sort who will go above and beyond to violate trust.
There's an easy way to prevent further escalation, Wylker.
Indeed - I got this idea after watching Sicko last night, need some of those bull**** eve mails done by Wylker's corpmate to work into the report please, paste them here or eve-mail them to Kirjava please
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.18 20:24:00 -
[280]
Thankyou Vista 
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises
Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.11.18 23:42:00 -
[281]
it could still be part of that (claiming-to-represent) GHSC post of scamming gazillions of iskies.
but like i said, i'm down to either 3 or 5 shares; so um, if resx would list psi....
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises
Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.11.18 23:52:00 -
[282]
i wonder what he bought with the 60 billion isk?
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Treelox
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.11.19 00:46:00 -
[283]
Originally by: Kirjava
Any ideas how much this would cost?
Do they own any outposts's that could be taken and auctioned off?
no idea how much it would cost a few billion at least. As to outpost taken and what not, no idea.
My plan would just be to make the bleed as much as possible in hopes of making us feel better. We would sort of need to start an "ipo" of sorts to just raise the capital to get MC involved, and then I dont think that we would make any profit out of it persay. Although it would send an excellent message to people that you better make sure you know who you vouch for before you do it.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.11.19 01:02:00 -
[284]
Originally by: Treelox
Although it would send an excellent message to people that you better make sure you know who you vouch for before you do it.
Heck, I'd possibly kick in some money just to reinforce this message even though I didn't invest in the original IPO at all and haven't lost a thing.
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Meleil
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Posted - 2007.11.19 01:33:00 -
[285]
Quote:
Any ideas how much this would cost?
Do they own any outposts's that could be taken and auctioned off?
It would cost in the area of 10-30 bil to hire MC to do any significant harm. (rough guess based on their last contract) All depends on what we want them to do... As far as I can tell 'The Church', which is the alliance Wylker's corp is in own no outposts whatsoever.
~Mel
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Treelox
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.11.19 02:15:00 -
[286]
Edited by: Treelox on 19/11/2007 02:17:43
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Treelox
Although it would send an excellent message to people that you better make sure you know who you vouch for before you do it.
Heck, I'd possibly kick in some money just to reinforce this message even though I didn't invest in the original IPO at all and haven't lost a thing.
I dont nor have I ever owned any stock in this public corp, but it sickens me with the ammount of crap that has occured.
OFC I would like to see some of the actual stockholders take the banner and run with this idea.
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Treelox
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.11.19 02:17:00 -
[287]
Originally by: Meleil
Quote:
Any ideas how much this would cost?
Do they own any outposts's that could be taken and auctioned off?
It would cost in the area of 10-30 bil to hire MC to do any significant harm. (rough guess based on their last contract) All depends on what we want them to do... As far as I can tell 'The Church', which is the alliance Wylker's corp is in own no outposts whatsoever.
~Mel
I have heard of even cheaper contract prices than that, but it all depends on what the mission is, how long it last for, how much intel you can provide them before the deploy, etc etc.
Besides who knows, maybe we will get a discount, because its a "restitution/repo" sort of job.
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Astorothe
Aperture Science Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.19 08:09:00 -
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I think that a lot of these ventures start legit and then due to boredom, change in real life, etc - the IPO runner decides to just keep the money and claim it as a "scam".
Unfortunately, the game doesnt have legal avenues of recourse as we would in real life - but then luckily this game allows payback as in hunting them down and podding them - or worse - where as in real life does not.
I hope you guys get your ISK back.
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Ricdic's Hoe
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Posted - 2007.11.19 08:18:00 -
[289]
Originally by: Astorothe
I think that a lot of these ventures start legit and then due to boredom, change in real life, etc - the IPO runner decides to just keep the money and claim it as a "scam"
Can't be boredom as he has only been running it 3 months and not paid any dividends yet.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.11.19 10:04:00 -
[290]
Originally by: Ricdic's Hoe
Originally by: Astorothe
I think that a lot of these ventures start legit and then due to boredom, change in real life, etc - the IPO runner decides to just keep the money and claim it as a "scam"
Can't be boredom as he has only been running it 3 months and not paid any dividends yet.
And he's posting like a maniac, as usual, on SHC.
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Astorothe
Aperture Science Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.19 10:19:00 -
[291]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
And he's posting like a maniac, as usual, on SHC.
SHC?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.11.19 10:25:00 -
[292]
Originally by: Astorothe
Originally by: Dark Shikari
And he's posting like a maniac, as usual, on SHC.
SHC?
Scrapheap Challenge...
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2007.11.19 11:00:00 -
[293]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Astorothe
Originally by: Dark Shikari
And he's posting like a maniac, as usual, on SHC.
SHC?
Scrapheap Challenge...
its where banned and/or retired eve-o forum warriors go. Sort of the Vahalla of this forums fallen warriors.
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Astorothe
Aperture Science Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.19 11:15:00 -
[294]
Ahh - right, I thought maybe he meant General Discussion or CAOD. =/
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2007.11.19 11:20:00 -
[295]
Originally by: Astorothe
Ahh - right, I thought maybe he meant General Discussion or CAOD. =/
His last post on eve-o was on the 13th, in CAOD.
Evidence
But as you can see, he is an utter forum ***** on SHC
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.19 11:36:00 -
[296]
Since SCH seems to be Wylker's home area, a post was made on there:
http://scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=10508
But eh, seems like it was locked. 
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2007.11.19 11:41:00 -
[297]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Since SCH seems to be Wylker's home area, a post was made on there:
http://scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=10508
But eh, seems like it was locked.
CD might reopen it, if he was shown this thread....maybe.....
At this point, I think its time for the investor base to start to begin to destroy his reputation.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
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Posted - 2007.11.19 12:27:00 -
[298]
Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Since SCH seems to be Wylker's home area, a post was made on there:
http://scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=10508
But eh, seems like it was locked.
CD might reopen it, if he was shown this thread....maybe.....
At this point, I think its time for the investor base to start to begin to destroy his reputation.
I already PM'ed calmdown, and asked him to reopen my thread. Not only was that thread a call to get Wylker to talk, but if he doesnt, he will destroy his reputation all by himself. So its win-win.
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Digital Nightfall
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Posted - 2007.11.19 12:42:00 -
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Quote:
Of course, in the world of eve, all you have is reputation. I have been playing this game for a year, and in that time have only been in 2 corporations. The second corporation is made up mainly of people with whom I left the first corporation. All this really means is that IÆm dedicated to my friends and have been for a year but itÆs a start I guess. In that time, I have had two significant projects that involved other peopleÆs money. The first was when I was barely 3 months old, and launched a 6 POS tower effort to produce a very complicated advanced reaction, move the reaction to empire, and sell it for a profit. The plan went exactly according to schedule, and we were profiting nearly 2 billion isk per month just off the reaction. If we had not left ISS during the IAC war, I would likely still be doing this reaction. Every investor in that project was repaid their initial investment along with any available dividends when I cancelled the project. I will try to get some of them to post here.
Other than that, you will see that while I have very strong opinions on matters throughout the forums, I am very consistent and loyal to my allies. I wish I had some way to express to you how important I think business ethics are and how I believe that businesses have a moral responsibility, but beyond simple statements I have no way of proving that to you. In addition, I possessed all hangar and POS roles in my ISS corp, and when we left (it was not very amicable) none of us took so much as 1 isk from The Praxis Initiative. Finally, I was a founder and director of my current corp, and recently voluntarily stopped being an active director as my play time was greatly reduced and I did not want to do a disservice to my corp.
/barf - what an absolute miserable sob.
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Wylker
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.11.19 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: Wylker on 19/11/2007 15:24:58
Hi!
Eve-O forum ban is lifted, and I managed to proxy in from work. I'll give everyone some information some time today, when I get some down time here.
I understand that people are upset, heck I would be too. I'd apologize for the lack of communication but I'd have to amend it to not be directed at the people who are posting their nerd-rage in this thread (please hire the MC to attack us btw).
To everyone else, this has never been intended to be a scam or anything of that sort. I've managed to survive huge amounts of peer pressure from Trixie to steal everyone's isk and all the assets are still safely in 2 stations in high and low sec.
Anyway, more to come this afternoon/night when I get caught up at work.
*edit* PS. stop asking Calmdown about this IPO. He doesn't know anout it, is not involved in it, and the fact that he happens to admin a fan site that I frequent doesn't mean he should be your go-to guy for problems.
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