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Titus Lewis
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Posted - 2007.11.13 08:48:00 -
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I think "full production" would have began in mid-September. Therefore we should be coming up on the 60 day repurchase offer at 95%.
Might be worth a try anyway.
 Originally by: Wylker
Edited by: Wylker on 16/09/2007 20:57:28
60 days after full production begins, PSI will begin offering share repurchases. This plan will be based on available funds and is only guaranteed to the extent that funds are available. Share repurchases will only be offered on shares that have been held for 20 days. (This eliminates share bouncing to "steal" dividends". Shares will be repurchased for 95% of their current valuation minus any dividends paid in the last 10 days. In order to request a share repurchase, simply send an eve-mail to Researchi and I will attempt to accommodate you.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises
Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.11.13 18:43:00 -
[242]
recent research has conclusively shown that by subscribing to, and subsequently reading, the PSI mailing list, you will in fact, become dumber.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.13 19:35:00 -
[243]
Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
recent research has conclusively shown that by subscribing to, and subsequently reading, the PSI mailing list, you will in fact, become dumber.
Excellent research! </rawcola>
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Nicho Void
Gallente
Hyper-Nova
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Posted - 2007.11.13 20:21:00 -
[244]
Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
recent research has conclusively shown that by subscribing to, and subsequently reading, the PSI mailing list, you will in fact, become dumber.
QFT. I removed myself from the list after Trixie's amazing analysis of the situation.
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Matsui Hideki
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Posted - 2007.11.14 01:32:00 -
[245]
Edited by: Matsui Hideki on 14/11/2007 01:32:49
How come Wylker has time to spam in other threads but not respond in this one in a few weeks?
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NobodyOfAnyImportance
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Posted - 2007.11.14 03:11:00 -
[246]
Wylker is stins alt c/d?
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.14 05:42:00 -
[247]
Originally by: Matsui Hideki
Edited by: Matsui Hideki on 14/11/2007 01:32:49
How come Wylker has time to spam in other threads but not respond in this one in a few weeks?
I pointed out the same, several other places. He makes 12 posts on average per day on SCH for christ sake.
And 4/day on his corp forum 
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.16 04:01:00 -
[248]
Ok so I went through this whole thread to see why I invested in Wylker. It wasn't because of the returns, and the business plan only half sold me. The true reason was the mass amounts of people who confirmed he was reliable, that they knew him in RL, and that they vouched for him. I figured if this many people trusted in him enough to post it, then he must be a good guy.
Obviously Wylker comes to a crossroads, where he needs to choose between good and evil. But when making this choice Wylker, I want you to understand that the outcome of your choice won't just affect your reputation, it will also affect the reputations of those around you who have put their faith in you, your friends and business acquaintances in game.
For a recap on those people:
Wylker
Spanner Frew
Researchi
Isentro (said he vouches for Wylker)
Aelena Thraant (CEO of Aftermath Alliance)
Vladimir Yuchenko (promoted through prior business)
Crovan (gave props to Wylker)
Korasen Linachi (has 100% trust)
Adam Weishaupt (gave props to Wylker)
Vulture Virtue (director gave major props to Wylker)
Jim Linger (said he vouches for Wylker)
Admiral Fridge (another vouch for Wylker)
Raquel Smith (knows where Wylker lives in RL)
Tychus (gave Wylker props)
Spanky McFarlan (gave Wylker props)
Ender Darklight (gave Wylker props)
Astro Teller (gave Wylker props)
So this above list doesn't even include people like myself and the other 15-100 investors who have put their faith into you. Scamming may look like the easy way out, but I would beg to differ. The damage done to all of the above reputations, and you being noted as untrustworthy for the rest of your time in Eve aren't worth close to 40b.
Yes, I am trying to secure my investment. But I am also trying to make sure Wylker see's that he is damaging far more people than himself by making the wrong choice.
Anyway, today is D-Day. I would like to either see dividends, or a buyback policy begin being reinstated. As the EBANK founder I am happy to offer you the option of exchanging some of those assets so i can liquidate them and place buybacks on PSI stock free of charge if you go in this direction. I feel it is imperative that you do one of the above (begin organising buyback or dividend) today as I don't think anyone likes the content being fired off in the PSI mailing list and here on these forums.
Contact me in-game through eiher Ricdic or EBANK Ricdic if you want to discuss options Wylker.
Cheers and good luck,
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Matsui Hideki
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Posted - 2007.11.17 02:02:00 -
[249]
scamzor?
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Meleil
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Posted - 2007.11.17 02:13:00 -
[250]
*waits patiently* I give him till 20:00 eve time on the 17th before I give this the scam stamp. Oh yes I'll go there.
~Mel
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.17 02:30:00 -
[251]
So - if I am reading this right - no comments, money or even a one fingered hand gesture from Wylker.
I beleive that if he dosen't do anything by DT then we can assume that this has been a Scam on the scale of that Pyramid scheme a while back - not the Eve IGB the other one, can't remember it's name.
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Kitex
Blacktag Test Labs
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Posted - 2007.11.17 03:33:00 -
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Quote:
Isentro (said he vouches for Wylker)
Aelena Thraant (CEO of Aftermath Alliance)
Vladimir Yuchenko (promoted through prior business)
Crovan (gave props to Wylker)
Korasen Linachi (has 100% trust)
Adam Weishaupt (gave props to Wylker)
Vulture Virtue (director gave major props to Wylker)
Jim Linger (said he vouches for Wylker)
Admiral Fridge (another vouch for Wylker)
Raquel Smith (knows where Wylker lives in RL)
Tychus (gave Wylker props)
Spanky McFarlan (gave Wylker props)
Ender Darklight (gave Wylker props)
Astro Teller (gave Wylker props)
All these folks are noticeably absent from the discussion on this these days. I'd love to see some of you post your thoughts on how this is going, what you expect might happen, and any information on what the hell you think might be going on in Wylker's head.
Do any of you still vouch for this guy?
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FastLearner
Fury Holdings
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.17 04:55:00 -
[253]
Originally by: Kitex
Quote:
Isentro (said he vouches for Wylker)
Aelena Thraant (CEO of Aftermath Alliance)
Vladimir Yuchenko (promoted through prior business)
Crovan (gave props to Wylker)
Korasen Linachi (has 100% trust)
Adam Weishaupt (gave props to Wylker)
Vulture Virtue (director gave major props to Wylker)
Jim Linger (said he vouches for Wylker)
Admiral Fridge (another vouch for Wylker)
Raquel Smith (knows where Wylker lives in RL)
Tychus (gave Wylker props)
Spanky McFarlan (gave Wylker props)
Ender Darklight (gave Wylker props)
Astro Teller (gave Wylker props)
All these folks are noticeably absent from the discussion on this these days. I'd love to see some of you post your thoughts on how this is going, what you expect might happen, and any information on what the hell you think might be going on in Wylker's head.
Do any of you still vouch for this guy?
Weren't some of those vouchers senior member of the alliance he was in at the time of the IPO (Aftermath)? His corporation left Aftermath and joined The Church back in October.
I don't have any investment in this - but if I were a large investor in it my next course of action would be to mail his corporation/alliance leadership, direct them to this thread and ask whether they support scamming/incompetence. If they keep him in after that (assuming he doesn't resurface), then they're saying his behaviour is acceptable to their corporation/alliance - and other alliances will know to treat them accordingly. It could also be worth mailing some of the people who vouched for him - especially any who say they have funds invested in it.
For what little it's worth, I don't actually think he's a scammer. I think he had (what he thought was) a decent plan, it didn't work and now he's just not man enough to face up to the music - and he's hoping some miracle will happen after Rev 3 and everything will become fine somehow.
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Ricdic's Hoe
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Posted - 2007.11.17 05:17:00 -
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Yeh I agree with FL. I don't believe he is a scammer. I have given him an out if he chooses to take it. A scam is far worse on one's record than a failed business plan.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.17 06:54:00 -
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Edited by: LaVista Vista on 17/11/2007 06:55:55
I talked to Virtual Virtue yesterday. And he said that he wasnt able to catch Wylker when i spoke to him.
EDIT: Just got ingame, and seems like theres an update. But it just made me believe less in the project.
Wylker, buy back shares. Now.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.17 06:57:00 -
[256]
2007.11.17 05:26
Finally got operator on this mailing list and will be able to clean it up.
I've opted not to post on the forum thread due to all the crap posts on there. I'd rather do it here, where I can now keep it clean and on topic.
Dividends: Lastest news that I have (nothing firm) is that Wylker will be making a dividend payout (he has sold just a few carriers). I do not know the time frame for this, just wanted to pass on something positive.
Liquidation: Still exploring the market, trying to find out where it's going to settle. Many of you are in alliances/corps with cap fleets, use them, lose them, kill other caps!
General: With the future of carriers uncertain, this operation is also a little hazy. I am working with Wylker to explore new options, including rorqual, T2 freighter production, and/or other possibilities. I don't know if he saw Ricdic's mail, so I've opted to leave that in here for now.
Buybacks: I have no idea, will find out.
-VV
2007.11.17 05:30
Finally, if you have some questions/etc, feel free to post them here. Any off topic posts/trolling will get cleaned up on a daily basis, if not more. I've had a talk with Trixie, shouldn't be a problem anymore.
Convos are a really bad way to catch me (I am usually PvPing when logged on this char), evemails are okay, but please try to keep discussion in the mailing list. I will answer private evemails, but there are somewhat of a pain and it's always helpful to answer questions in a public setting.
Thanks for reading,
VV
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Ricdic's Hoe
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Posted - 2007.11.17 07:08:00 -
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To be honest I think if you want to get away from capital ships you should just do the buyback and start another venture. Obviously there is no doubt that this venture has damaged your reputation and chances are that you won't be given public isk any time soon in the future as a result, but i don't believe that's justification to refuse to give people back their money now.
I personally don't want any more excuses. I would like either my money back, or dividends as were promised. I find it scary that you guys are only just now wondering what to do with the money after holding it for 2+ months. So please, do the right thing, liquidate and accept that you screwed up.
I do want to say thanks to the guy who put that mail through but this was a Wylker enterprise and I do not find it comforting that Wylker won't even do that for himself.
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Kitex
Blacktag Test Labs
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Posted - 2007.11.17 08:29:00 -
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I've been vocal in my criticism on this, but I really feel like I have no choice but to handle it with kid-gloves from here on out. I actually get the impression that he's trying to punish us with his silence, and I really don't know how to react to that.
With Wylker, the squeaky wheel gets the no grease.
Frustrating. I don't know what to do besides stick my head in the clouds, listen to hippie music, and wish myself and other investors the best of luck. That totally goes against my nature, but it doesn't seem that anything else works.
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Vulture Virtue
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.11.17 16:59:00 -
[259]
I had trouble posting on these forums last night.
Anyways, as La Vista Vista has posted, I am going to be making updates in the mailing list from now on, which are on schedule. I will not be monitoring this thread very carefully, so look to the mailing list for answers. I do have operator in that list and will be moderating it heavily (and have already done so).
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Kitex
Blacktag Test Labs
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Posted - 2007.11.17 17:43:00 -
[260]
Originally by: Vulture Virtue
I am going to be making updates in the mailing list from now on, which are on schedule.
The main points of the most recent "on schedule" update:
1. You don't know when dividends will be paid.
2. You don't know when or if a decision will be made on liquidation.
3. You don't know when or if the promised share buyback will be instituted.
I'm not trying to give you a hard time, Vulture, because this really isn't your job. I'm just hoping you realize that your "on schedule" update still leaves us clueless as to what's going on, and Wylker's obligation to disseminate information is absolutely not fulfilled.
I'm hoping the next update is more substantive, so that I can stay in a friendly mood.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises
Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.11.18 01:34:00 -
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does anyone want to buyback a handful of this scam? i'm stuck with a few i couldn't offload to folks who have hope in this scam.
oh, yeah, i said scam. subscribe to the psi mailing list and feel free to read the updates and say i'm wrong.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises
Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.11.18 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kitex
Originally by: Vulture Virtue
I am going to be making updates in the mailing list from now on, which are on schedule.
The main points of the most recent "on schedule" update:
1. You don't know when dividends will be paid.
2. You don't know when or if a decision will be made on liquidation.
3. You don't know when or if the promised share buyback will be instituted.
I'm not trying to give you a hard time, Vulture, because this really isn't your job. I'm just hoping you realize that your "on schedule" update still leaves us clueless as to what's going on, and Wylker's obligation to disseminate information is absolutely not fulfilled.
I'm hoping the next update is more substantive, so that I can stay in a friendly mood.
if he's stepping up to the plate and being moderator on that mailing list and being the new non-goon-wannabe mouthpiece for this "venture/scam"; then um, i'm sorry, i see no reason to not treat him like wylker. hell, he still could be yet another wylker alt or whatever.
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FastLearner
Fury Holdings
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.18 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
does anyone want to buyback a handful of this scam? i'm stuck with a few i couldn't offload to folks who have hope in this scam.
oh, yeah, i said scam. subscribe to the psi mailing list and feel free to read the updates and say i'm wrong.
I'll buy them at 20% of launch price - they're worth a punt at that.
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Doctor Fruitloop
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Posted - 2007.11.18 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
does anyone want to buyback a handful of this scam? i'm stuck with a few i couldn't offload to folks who have hope in this scam.
oh, yeah, i said scam. subscribe to the psi mailing list and feel free to read the updates and say i'm wrong.
Yup looks like a scam allright.
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Ricdic's Hoe
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Posted - 2007.11.18 02:09:00 -
[265]
Originally by: Doctor Fruitloop
Yup looks like a scam allright.
Win!
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.18 02:37:00 -
[266]
Originally by: Doctor Fruitloop
Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
does anyone want to buyback a handful of this scam? i'm stuck with a few i couldn't offload to folks who have hope in this scam.
oh, yeah, i said scam. subscribe to the psi mailing list and feel free to read the updates and say i'm wrong.
Yup looks like a scam allright.
Bah - posted with an alt.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.11.18 06:45:00 -
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I don't understand what could take Wylker so long to decide on a course of action.
Either he can make money selling capitals still or he can't.
If he can't then he should liquidate ASAP and pay out all the money in divs.
If he can then he should post and state that he can.
This is really all there is to it... it's simple. If he tries to continue the business but doing things other than producing capital ships then he is in breach of his IPO. His complete and utter cowardice in avoiding this thread is pitiful, the last person he should be trying to emulate in running an IPO is Stins. But the only thing worse than him not posting so far is for him to continue not posting in the future. Every day he hides and cowers in a corner the worse it gets for him. Yet I would be willing to bet he will continue to hide... clearly he is quite afraid of a forum lashing, as if he isn't getting one already.
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Kitex
Blacktag Test Labs
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Posted - 2007.11.18 06:55:00 -
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They've actually stated that they won't post on the EVE-O forums because they can't moderate them. Scary huh?
So our sole source of information is the in-game mailing list that seems to fluctuate between 8 and 11 subscribers. Out of what I'd guess to be 50-100+ investors. 
Unfortunately, Wylker doesn't post there either. In fact, his last post there was 28 days ago.
Vulture Virtue, Wylker's CEO, has provided sporadic "updates" to the list. Unfortunately, he doesn't know anything, but "will find out".
Neat huh?
I find myself getting increasingly interested in acquiring intel regarding Pyrrhus Sicarii's destructible 0.0 assets.
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Treelox
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.11.18 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kitex
I find myself getting increasingly interested in acquiring intel regarding Pyrrhus Sicarii's destructible 0.0 assets.
is it time to start passing around the hat, to collect funds to hire MC?
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Ricdic's Hoe
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Posted - 2007.11.18 07:30:00 -
[270]
Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Kitex
I find myself getting increasingly interested in acquiring intel regarding Pyrrhus Sicarii's destructible 0.0 assets.
is it time to start passing around the hat, to collect funds to hire MC?
I got KIA on speed dial
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