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Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.06.28 20:33:00 - [61] Edited by: Akita T on 28/06/2007 20:32:52 Last time I checked, there was a minor yet important discrepancy between sections of the EULA. On one side, it says you can't give away your account details, do so at your own risk, because they won't reimburse you for any damage the other user might cause. That also covers lost login details due to hacking. Yes, you get hacked, the hacker sells your in-game assets for real money (including maybe even the char itself), you report the hack, your account gets banned. It's that simple. On the other side, it simply says trading or giving away accounts is prohibited. However, there is little incentive to actually ban somebody for that, and to my knowledge, it's not pursued actively... much, anyway. You know, just as a precautionary measure, almost exclusively aimed to combat RMT too, not actual account sharing between RL acquaintances. Of course, I might be wrong. Char creation guide \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Fedacorr Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.06.28 20:35:00 - [62] CCP allows transfer (with payment) of characters, but not, ever, accounts. The ONLY legitimate 'transfer' of an account is for an adult to purchase (and continue to pay for) an account for their minor child. (And the adult may not use that account themselves!) You (apparently) had 2 accounts. You deactivated one in the past. Now you've reactivated it, and 'given' it to your relative. Sorry, not allowed. It's YOUR account, you aren't allowed to give it to anyone else or allow anyone else access to it. Doing so is grounds for it being banned. Somehow, the GM's figured out what happened. BAN. The cash confiscation, that's something else. For some reason, the GM's feel you were given/aquired that cash improperly. If your relative gave it to your account, they'd probably feel it was 'payment' for the account, again a no-no. While you'd like an instant answer, 3 days is not time enough for any response to a petition. You need to wait on an answer, and/or email kieron. Complaining on the board accomplishes exactly nothing. Well, except for your admitting you broke the rules, which doesn't help your case much!
Xachariah Minmatar Starship Fellows	Posted - 2007.06.28 20:43:00 - [63] Edited by: Xachariah on 28/06/2007 20:42:57 I dont't get why so many stick to the word of the EULA instead to its purpose? There are so many accounts actively being shared (Tradingalts, Manufacturingalts, Cynoalts...) and yet it is generally accepted. These two guys (as long as he tells the truth, which of course can't be proven) did not share their accounts. Each one used his own. Whether or not one of these accounts once (!) belonged to the other person has no negative effect whatsoever on the game or its players and therefor there is no logic reason to punish them. The whole "Ha Ha, you got banned, because you did something against the EULA"-mentality is just sickening.
Zissou Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.06.28 20:50:00 - [64] As Winterblink has said, you won't get any real assistance from the forums. Raise a petition, escalate it as far as possible and contact Kieron (Community Manager). Nothing you post on these forums will help you get the account reactivated.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2007.06.28 20:58:00 - [65] You guys replying in this thread with "OMG BAN OFFENSE" and "READ THE EULA" and all this trash are real jerks. If the only thing you can do all day is try to get some guy banned (which is pro-actively what you do when you reply to these threads with these comments) you are not very considerate to the EVE community. There are circumstances where I'm SURE you have had friends log in for you to change skills and blah blah blah and all that crap. So don't come down on this guy like a ton of bricks when you don't even have all the details. SERIOUSLY, a lot of you forum warriors have really upset me with your replies in this thread, and I have lost a lot of respect in some of you. GROW UP. Mind your own business. Some threads posted don't need to be replied to. _________________ Burn.
Maltitol Gallente Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:02:00 - [66] This is one of the reasons why i buy GTC's instead. on my initial account creation, after trial, i had my parents use their cc (for full activation). after that, i went to about 4 different friends to buy gtc's, NOT PUT THEIR CC INFO OR ANYTHING on my account. One of them has created an account in his info with his cc, but his cc and account info has NEVER touched me nor my account in any way, he has played beside me on the same ip#, router/house several times, but his address isnt my address, and he doesnt live anywhere near me (comes down for parties here and there). This in itself protects me, as i'm not account sharing or anything like that at all, but it pays off to be extra safe like this. In the op's post, from what i understand, you changed the MAIN ACCOUNT information so its not in your name anymore but your cousins, this is YES account sharing. What i dont understand is why wouldnt your cousin try the 14 day trial anyways? IT IS FREE! there clearly is more information than what we are being told. CCP has decided to keep this post open obviously to find out any further information they can. In any case good luck.. but i recommend just starting a new account (if possible) Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:06:00 - [67] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa You guys replying in this thread with "OMG BAN OFFENSE" and "READ THE EULA" and all this trash are real jerks. If the only thing you can do all day is try to get some guy banned (which is pro-actively what you do when you reply to these threads with these comments) you are not very considerate to the EVE community. There are circumstances where I'm SURE you have had friends log in for you to change skills and blah blah blah and all that crap. So don't come down on this guy like a ton of bricks when you don't even have all the details. SERIOUSLY, a lot of you forum warriors have really upset me with your replies in this thread, and I have lost a lot of respect in some of you. GROW UP. Mind your own business. Some threads posted don't need to be replied to. He said "I did this, why am I banned?" and people replied with "The reason you're banned is...". What he described in his OP (possibly erroneously, considering the language barrier) is a bannable offence. What do you want people to do, ignore it and just say "You have our support!!!!"? How is that mean? --------
Guvnor RBM Welsh Commanders 3asy Company	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:07:00 - [68] The been on the same IP is reason is very wrong Ive spent many hours at my friends house drinking beer and having laugh whist connected to his network with my laptop. Hell during an Allinace tournment I was at his competing on my laptop whilst he used his PC, I guess CCP would of been extra carful in checking for any wrong doing then, So I doubt the IP is any thing to do with the "BAN" _______________________________________________
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:09:00 - [69] Originally by: Patch86 He said "I did this, why am I banned?" and people replied with "The reason you're banned is...". What he described in his OP (possibly erroneously, considering the language barrier) is a bannable offence. What do you want people to do, ignore it and just say "You have our support!!!!"? How is that mean? I don't know. I just see this thread going downhill, and no questions are really being answered. This isn't a thread that players can address with a solution. The only real solution is to contact Kieron, which was brought up. After that, thread over. _________________ Burn.
Joseph Josavion	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:15:00 - [70] Edited by: Joseph Josavion on 28/06/2007 21:16:26 To be honest even if it is account sharing I don't see what the problem is anyway. I'm sure there are 1000s of people in this game who allow their corp mates to change skills for them whilst away on holiday or similar as well as numerous other reasons. The only way to stop that happening is to introduce a system which allows offline skill changing or skill queing. CCP chose to use a skill system like we have and (thankfully) reject those employed by the traditional grinding games such as WoW but they have to realise that people cannot be on at every single time of the day. You know there's something wrong when people start setting their alarms for 4:30am so they can do a skill change and go back to bed. I have dome that in the past, I don't anymore however. CCP should just get rid of the whole account sharing thing and introduce a clause to the EULA that stipulates that account theft stemming from account sharing will not be given the time of day. [EDIT] And anyway who cares if he gave his old account to his cousin. Another person is hooked on EVE and you are getting another subscription to add to the proverbial wallet. You might claim 'account reclaiming' etc etc but guess what? He's openly admitted to sharing account details, you don't have to help him with that even if he does decide at some point he wants the account back. Completely ludicrous.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:25:00 - [71] Originally by: Joseph Josavion Edited by: Joseph Josavion on 28/06/2007 21:16:26 To be honest even if it is account sharing I don't see what the problem is anyway. I'm sure there are 1000s of people in this game who allow their corp mates to change skills for them whilst away on holiday or similar as well as numerous other reasons. The only way to stop that happening is to introduce a system which allows offline skill changing or skill queing. CCP chose to use a skill system like we have and (thankfully) reject those employed by the traditional grinding games such as WoW but they have to realise that people cannot be on at every single time of the day. You know there's something wrong when people start setting their alarms for 4:30am so they can do a skill change and go back to bed. I have dome that in the past, I don't anymore however. CCP should just get rid of the whole account sharing thing and introduce a clause to the EULA that stipulates that account theft stemming from account sharing will not be given the time of day. [EDIT] And anyway who cares if he gave his old account to his cousin. Another person is hooked on EVE and you are getting another subscription to add to the proverbial wallet. You might claim 'account reclaiming' etc etc but guess what? He's openly admitted to sharing account details, you don't have to help him with that even if he does decide at some point he wants the account back. Completely ludicrous. Well it's not the GM's decision to make. CCP made the rule "no sharing account details" (for obvious reasons- they don't want 4 people playing under the same subscription), and the GM simply enforces it. When they detect someone who is sharing accounts (however it is they happen to do it), they ban them. There may or may not be a hard luck story behind it, but it's not the GM's place to start making that judgement. --------
jita90804	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:28:00 - [72] Edited by: jita90804 on 28/06/2007 21:28:33 The 'sharing' clause is in the EULA to protect CCP from ownership litigation e.g. player A buys the account, but player B pays the monthly fee and uses it all the time. Who has the greatest claim to ownership? There is nothing in the EULA specifying from which geographic location, either physical or virtual, you can or should log into the game from. You're just as eligible to play the game at your house as you are from any other location you happen to be at e.g. Iceland during the Fanfest.
Illyria Ambri Caldari RennTech	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:32:00 - [73] Something else to ponder... He states that 3 hours after reactivating the account it got banned. Umm since when has CCP been that fast with ANY response? Unless you did something that would spark their immediate attention.. I seriously doubt that simply reactivating and playing normally as you say, or neglect to say, would raise an instant red flag on the GM comps ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
fuze	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:42:00 - [74] Oh noes, we're being watched!
Druadan Gallente Aristotle Enterprises Black Lotus Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:47:00 - [75] Pretty ridiculous ban imho. "A witty saying proves nothing" - Voltaire
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:50:00 - [76] The account sharing rule is not designed to stop people from letting their family play eve with them. In fact, Kieron himself has said that direct family members are immune from the account sharing rul. That doesn't cover your cousin, but if a GM took action against your account for that reason, it sounds like they're using the letter of the rule to defeat the spirit of the rule. Drop Kieron a line. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Occara	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:50:00 - [77] Originally by: Daedaelus Im sure they can track the MAC address or the computer name through the IP im using a basic linksys router and really don't have much security because i dident think i had to defend myself from a game i pay for. MAC address is only available for 1 hop by the way. The only things that see your MAC are things on the same network segment.
Marketcheck2	Posted - 2007.06.28 22:05:00 - [78] Me thinks we are not getting the whole story.
Dopefish Amarr Quad and Fish	Posted - 2007.06.28 22:21:00 - [79] Sherlock Holmes itt. Is using moms creditcard and info to play eve accountsharing? And since when was account sharing something you get banned for? You might get a warning, if anything. Why would you even bring it up?
Daedaelus Caldari Xtreme Intruders	Posted - 2007.06.29 01:06:00 - [80] No i do not speak very well i am sorry but let me just narrow down the facts. - Nobody bought ISK - I dont even know how to macro mine neither does he - We dont hack - It is his account nobody elses and is under his credit card now im sure over the time he has had this account he has switched his credit card info more than once (Thats just how some banks are). - All the message said was "perma ban" and there was no email sent. - The money taken from me was off my own account not his maybe they figured over this amount of time this is how much money we have sent each other. - Yes we have sent each other ISK but last time i checked there is a "give money" button and i am aloud to send money back and forth with him. - We dont SHARE the account he simply lives in the same house and literately sits next to me and plays. - to this day no petitions or email have been replyed too by CCP. - he was in the game 2 hours before he was banned and did nearly nothing as a matter of fact he was AFK most of the time cooking a burger. Feel free to call me a lier but this is the truth and the facts so please stick with them and dont say i did this or that cause these are the facts.
Beazal	Posted - 2007.06.29 01:37:00 - [81] Edited by: Beazal on 29/06/2007 01:36:27 Originally by: Daedaelus No i do not speak very well i am sorry but let me just narrow down the facts. - Nobody bought ISK - I dont even know how to macro mine neither does he - We dont hack - It is his account nobody elses and is under his credit card now im sure over the time he has had this account he has switched his credit card info more than once (Thats just how some banks are). - All the message said was "perma ban" and there was no email sent. - The money taken from me was off my own account not his maybe they figured over this amount of time this is how much money we have sent each other. - Yes we have sent each other ISK but last time i checked there is a "give money" button and i am aloud to send money back and forth with him. - We dont SHARE the account he simply lives in the same house and literately sits next to me and plays. - to this day no petitions or email have been replyed too by CCP. - he was in the game 2 hours before he was banned and did nearly nothing as a matter of fact he was AFK most of the time cooking a burger. Feel free to call me a lier but this is the truth and the facts so please stick with them and dont say i did this or that cause these are the facts. Answer one more question please. Was HIS account owned by YOU at one point? Or has HIS account always been in HIS posession?
Bizz Lizz	Posted - 2007.06.29 01:44:00 - [82] Something doesn't sound right here. They don't take 180mil from your wallet for no reason. If they did it, there are only a few possibilities, why they did it: 1) they assume that you were involved in isk buying/selling 2) they assume you were involved in a character scam 3) they assume you have gained the isk through another non-ligit means like via an exploit And if they assumed this, it is also the reason, why all accounts from that IP got banned/suspended. ( I don't believe that you get banned within a few hours, because they think that you wer account sharing, because they don't have a camera in your house and some people have multiple accounts and several computers in their house, some people use the same computer alternately and such things, so I doubt that it was that. ) Anyway, I hope for you that the GMs will tell you, what has happened and that they let you explain your side of the story. I mean noone is safe from making mistakes.
MotherMoon Minmatar Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.06.29 01:45:00 - [83] Originally by: Beazal Edited by: Beazal on 29/06/2007 01:36:27 Originally by: Daedaelus No i do not speak very well i am sorry but let me just narrow down the facts. - Nobody bought ISK - I dont even know how to macro mine neither does he - We dont hack - It is his account nobody elses and is under his credit card now im sure over the time he has had this account he has switched his credit card info more than once (Thats just how some banks are). - All the message said was "perma ban" and there was no email sent. - The money taken from me was off my own account not his maybe they figured over this amount of time this is how much money we have sent each other. - Yes we have sent each other ISK but last time i checked there is a "give money" button and i am aloud to send money back and forth with him. - We dont SHARE the account he simply lives in the same house and literately sits next to me and plays. - to this day no petitions or email have been replyed too by CCP. - he was in the game 2 hours before he was banned and did nearly nothing as a matter of fact he was AFK most of the time cooking a burger. Feel free to call me a lier but this is the truth and the facts so please stick with them and dont say i did this or that cause these are the facts. Answer one more question please. Was HIS account owned by YOU at one point? Or has HIS account always been in HIS posession? maybe you shouldn't trust him then. how do you know he hasn't bought ISK? it was HIS account. and may have done it a long time ago. and doesn't want to tell you
max bygraves	Posted - 2007.06.29 01:51:00 - [84] your cousin did an illegal scam, He didnt tell you, He was punished and the 180 million ISK taken back.
Bizz Lizz	Posted - 2007.06.29 01:59:00 - [85] Edited by: Bizz Lizz on 29/06/2007 01:58:06 Originally by: max bygraves your cousin did an illegal scam, He didnt tell you, He was punished and the 180 million ISK taken back. Yes, 180mil could fit to a 30-day gtc, and if he has scammed there, the ban would be no surprise. But so far it's just guessing, so hope the GMs tell you what's up.
Dark Kavar Caldari Aionios Diadochi	Posted - 2007.06.29 02:07:00 - [86] Originally by: Bizz Lizz Edited by: Bizz Lizz on 29/06/2007 01:58:06 Originally by: max bygraves your cousin did an illegal scam, He didnt tell you, He was punished and the 180 million ISK taken back. Yes, 180mil could fit to a 30-day gtc, and if he has scammed there, the ban would be no surprise. But so far it's just guessing, so hope the GMs tell you what's up. I thought that if you got scammed with GTCs using the non-secure system it was your problem and the GMs couldn't do anything about it? Kind of like the Triforce in Zelda, only not quite as potent.
Bizz Lizz	Posted - 2007.06.29 02:13:00 - [87] Edited by: Bizz Lizz on 29/06/2007 02:11:56 Originally by: Dark Kavar Originally by: Bizz Lizz Edited by: Bizz Lizz on 29/06/2007 01:58:06 Originally by: max bygraves your cousin did an illegal scam, He didnt tell you, He was punished and the 180 million ISK taken back. Yes, 180mil could fit to a 30-day gtc, and if he has scammed there, the ban would be no surprise. But so far it's just guessing, so hope the GMs tell you what's up. I thought that if you got scammed with GTCs using the non-secure system it was your problem and the GMs couldn't do anything about it? No, the only thing is that the victim doesn't get reimbursed in that case. But it's still a bannable offense to scam in a gtc trade, also if the trade is done via the old method. Has been said several times.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.06.29 02:17:00 - [88] I don't think the evil, dreaded CCP is particularly keen on banning accounts for no reason. Deal with it through them. I don't see how forum warriors are gonna help you if you got banned for some reason we don't even know about. I'm sure there was a reason and I suspect someone, either you or your bro, isn't saying what it is. I also suspect that if you email kieron and/or [email protected] like people have suggested, you will get a reply. Deal with them. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Danlex	Posted - 2007.06.29 02:23:00 - [89] CCP needs a good kick up the arse for this type of thing. I understand they set the rules and fine, but to be expected to start a new account, re-activate the OLD account and THEN pay a transfer fee is just being money hungry tools. In order to get a char from one of my old accounts this is what I am forced to do (bar additional account creation). The lack of any dialogue and/or BASIC explanation is total bs. That things are made doubly frustrating by their drawn out petition process is just icing on the cake really.
ArtieLange	Posted - 2007.06.29 02:54:00 - [90] screw it, ibt mysterious disappearance. --------------------------------------------- Internal Error: Transaction (Process ID 10710) was deadlocked on lock resources with another process and has been chosen as the deadlock victim. Re

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