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Daedaelus Caldari Xtreme Intruders	Posted - 2007.06.28 18:50:00 - [1] I hate to end up posting on the forum but i have never had my petitions answered or my emails. 3 days ago i reactivated a account i had so my cousin could use it (he sits next to me so same IP same house) upon the 2nd hour of its activation it is banned and on my account on my computer i have about 180 mil seized from my account by a GM. I have gotten no help no petitions answered and no emails answered. None of us have ever bought ISK and i personally don't even know how to cheat in this game im not good enough to do so. We have done nothing wrong but play the game and not only was his account banned but i have lost so much money i refuse to just take a unjust punishment. I'm sure many will say "you had to have done something" well i haven't and trust me ive had time to think it over. I haven't done anything wrong neither has he hopefully by posting this i will get some public attention so maybe ccp will at least answer my petitions.
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.28 18:52:00 - [2] account sharing?
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.28 18:53:00 - [3] You do realize that account sharing, even sharing with your cousin, is a bannable offense? <-----------> Factional Warfare: The LowSec wars which never happened.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.28 18:54:00 - [4] Account sharing is totally bannable. Read your EULA --------
Haxa Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.06.28 18:54:00 - [5] Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby You do realize that account sharing, even sharing with your cousin, is a bannable offense?
Daedaelus Caldari Xtreme Intruders	Posted - 2007.06.28 18:56:00 - [6] u cant punish someone for living with you and we are on a router this is simply how many people live it was on his computer and even if he is banned i should not be punished we are simply on the same connection and i don't use his character thats why i have my own i can see his screen but thats as far as i go. It is unreasonable to think that i can get banned because someone else on the same internet line is playing eve thats simply not practical.
Callente Riveara Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.06.28 18:56:00 - [7] Edited by: Callente Riveara on 28/06/2007 18:54:42 How would they know account sharing was going on though? If the computers are from the same IP...?
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.28 18:57:00 - [8] Originally by: Callente Riveara Edited by: Callente Riveara on 28/06/2007 18:54:42 How would they know account sharing was going on though? If the computers are from the same IP...? Or paid for by the same credit card, or same email address, or someone was flapping their gums in local.... Lots of ways. <-----------> Factional Warfare: The LowSec wars which never happened.
Daedaelus Caldari Xtreme Intruders	Posted - 2007.06.28 18:57:00 - [9] Im sure they can track the MAC address or the computer name through the IP im using a basic linksys router and really don't have much security because i dident think i had to defend myself from a game i pay for.
JamnOne Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.28 18:57:00 - [10] If they are two different accounts how is it account sharing?
Daedaelus Caldari Xtreme Intruders	Posted - 2007.06.28 18:58:00 - [11] It was on his credit card not mine im not that rich.
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.28 18:58:00 - [12] Originally by: Daedaelus Im sure they can track the MAC address or the computer name through the IP im using a basic linksys router and really don't have much security because i dident think i had to defend myself from a game i pay for. The game you pay for has a EULA which you agree to by playing the game, and that EULA states that if you share your account information with anyone else the account can be shut down. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.28 18:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Daedaelus u cant punish someone for living with you and we are on a router this is simply how many people live it was on his computer and even if he is banned i should not be punished we are simply on the same connection and i don't use his character thats why i have my own i can see his screen but thats as far as i go. It is unreasonable to think that i can get banned because someone else on the same internet line is playing eve thats simply not practical. Quote: 3 days ago i reactivated a account i had so my cousin could use it So you started an account under your name, then let him create a character on it? Hate to break it to you, but thats account sharing. IP addresses didn't come in to it. Dunno how he got caught though. Maybe he was just unlucky enough to say "this is my cousin's old account" in a channel a GM happened to be reading. --------
Daedaelus Caldari Xtreme Intruders	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:00:00 - [14] it is HIS account its not under my name the only sharing going on is the same internet
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:01:00 - [15] Quote: 3 days ago i reactivated a account i had so my cousin could use it Why'd you say that then? Kicks and giggles? --------
Callente Riveara Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:01:00 - [16] Originally by: Daedaelus it is HIS account its not under my name the only sharing going on is the same internet I dont understand. You just said you reactivated an account so your cousin could use it... IE, its your account and not his?
Trebor Notlimah Gallente Gunfleet Logistics Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:02:00 - [17] Even if your IP's were the same, I dont see why they would seize 180M in assets unless they believe you acquired them illegally. As for the IP thing, me and my brother have been playin gon the same connection for over a year without a glitch. Might need to call them or something.
Daedaelus Caldari Xtreme Intruders	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:02:00 - [18] ? what i said its on his credit card im not that rich meaning its under his name its just my internet line and he has his own computer out of respect we don't touch each others computer or account as a matter of fact we have passwords on both our computers as well and i dont know his or his account pass
Daedaelus Caldari Xtreme Intruders	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:03:00 - [19] Originally by: Trebor Notlimah Even if your IP's were the same, I dont see why they would seize 180M in assets unless they believe you acquired them illegally. As for the IP thing, me and my brother have been playin gon the same connection for over a year without a glitch. Might need to call them or something. they dont got a phone support line they wont answer my emails or petitions they have completely blacked me out
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:04:00 - [20] Originally by: Daedaelus 3 days ago i reactivated a account i had so my cousin could use it Sorry to say, but that is account sharing. -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Callente Riveara Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:05:00 - [21] Your not answering everyones question... WHY did you have to reactivate your account in order for him to use a credit card? So he could avoid the 20$ activation fee? Im willing to bet thats a breach of the ELUA or whatever
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:05:00 - [22] Drop a note to [email protected] and see if he can help you out. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Tenebrion Darkness	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:06:00 - [23] Edited by: Tenebrion Darkness on 28/06/2007 19:05:39 I was always thought account sharing was two people using the same account. People saying that this is, answer this, if a parent has an account than starts a second for their child/spouse, would that fall under account sharing? Edit: Does the reactivation part play that big of role?
Daedaelus Caldari Xtreme Intruders	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:07:00 - [24] with his card.... there is no determinable way to know who typed in the info he put in his password on this site and i did it that is why im fighting for him because he works far more than i do so no its his card and how we manage our finances isent eve's concern this is what happens when u live with someone no different than a brother and sister or father and son bolth end up helping each other and talking to each other. What if it was a father and son situation were its the fathers card and he has to put it in for his son? Do we get banned for that reason and if so that doesent explain why i was seized so much money on my account.
Nicho Void Gallente Hyper-Nova	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:07:00 - [25] Originally by: Daedaelus 3 days ago i reactivated a account i had so my cousin could use it Am I confused here? You, User A, reactivated YOUR account. You, User A, let your cousin, User B use it. User A shared his account with User B. BAN. BAT. ---------------
Daedaelus Caldari Xtreme Intruders	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:09:00 - [26] Originally by: Callente Riveara Edited by: Callente Riveara on 28/06/2007 19:04:03 Your not answering everyones question... WHY did you have to reactivate your account in order for him to use a credit card? So he could avoid the 20$ activation fee? Im willing to bet thats a breach of the EULA If i am understanding this right he had stopped his account for a few months cause he was broke all we did was hit the "reactivate" button
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:09:00 - [27] Edited by: Azerrad InExile on 28/06/2007 19:10:02 Originally by: Tenebrion Darkness Edited by: Tenebrion Darkness on 28/06/2007 19:05:39 I was always thought account sharing was two people using the same account. People saying that this is, answer this, if a parent has an account than starts a second for their child/spouse, would that fall under account sharing? Edit: Does the reactivation part play that big of role? A parent creating an account for a child is the one exception allowed by the EULA: Originally by: EULA Only an individual, natural person who is an adult or, in the discretion of such an adult, his or her minor child, may establish an Account. You are responsible and liable for all activities conducted through your Account, regardless of who conducts those activities. You may not share your Account with anyone, or allow anyone other than you personally (or your minor child, if you have registered an Account on behalf of your minor child) to access or use your Account. Joint or shared ownership or use of an Account by more than one user is prohibited. Edit: If you want to be technical about it you could argue that this wasn't account sharing in that he didn't log in to the account after his cousin. In that case it would be an improper account transfer which is also prohibited by the EULA: Originally by: EULA You are not permitted to transfer your account to another person. If you wish to discontinue your account please refer to section 6. of this EULA. You may transfer a character from your account to another account, either belonging to you or another person. This transfer option is available from the EVE Online Account Management web site https://secure.eve-online.com/login.asp -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:09:00 - [28] lolcat lols at this thread.
Callente Riveara Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:09:00 - [29] you are making absolutly no sense here... You reactivated an account so your cousin could use it, he used HIS credit card for the monthly fee? So are you on HIS account or your own totally seperate one?
Daedaelus Caldari Xtreme Intruders	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:10:00 - [30] no i do not share it or use his account i am simply fighting upon his behalf because hes working and is banned so he cant talk to anyone here. I never used his account and its his all i do is help him out from time to time and it is on HIS computer his account doesent login to mine nor do i even let him use my computer
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:11:00 - [31] Originally by: Daedaelus no i do not share it or use his account i am simply fighting upon his behalf because hes working and is banned so he cant talk to anyone here. I never used his account and its his all i do is help him out from time to time and it is on HIS computer his account doesent login to mine nor do i even let him use my computer Nobody on these forums is going to be able to sort the issue out, so do what I suggested: contact Kieron at [email protected] and explain the situation. He should be able to help sort out what's going on for you. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Daedaelus Caldari Xtreme Intruders	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:11:00 - [32] my account is the one u see here on the forum his is a differant one and it was reactivated on HIS CARD not mine completely seprate accounts.
Gutsani Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:11:00 - [33] normally if you log in, you get a reason for being banned and the duration. if you get banned, they also have to send you an email with the reason. ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy!
Nicho Void Gallente Hyper-Nova	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:11:00 - [34] Originally by: Daedaelus all i do is help him out from time to time You need to be VERY clear about what you mean by that. ---------------
Callente Riveara Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:11:00 - [35] well then this sounds like its no different then someone having multiple accounts for an alt.. You might want to try not typing like a 6 year old the next time you make a thread though...its very hard to understand what you are saying.
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:12:00 - [36] Originally by: Daedaelus my account is the one u see here on the forum his is a differant one and it was reactivated on HIS CARD not mine completely seprate accounts. Who owned the account originally? -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:16:00 - [37] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan lolcat lols at this thread. The doctors say the Fail you've infected me with is terminal. Thanks. This guy keeps saying different things. A lot of the time it sounds like he and his cousin have two accounts which just happen to connect from the same IP, which doesn't matter in the slightest to EVE, but that contradicts what he said in the OP. - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:20:00 - [38] I feel this thread is hampered by a language barrier. I know that the OP may not speak English as a first language, and thats not exactly his fault. But all the same, the OP clearly spells out that he was banned for a legitimate case of account sharing, while the later posts flatly contradict this. --------
Ruato Gallente Gurgleblaster Industries	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:25:00 - [39] Edited by: Ruato on 28/06/2007 19:24:11 Account sharing being bannable offense is just plain stupid in so many ways. meaning: - some people get the ban stick for situations like this (read the OP) - And major alliances have huge cyno nets set up with shared accounts and will never get banned (or atleast so it seems). Might aswell stop enforcing it if they are only willing to ban some random people for it. --- *Get rid of those bleeping secure containers. bleep!*
SasRipper DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:29:00 - [40] CCP Do you share you bob alts logins? capital, cyno chars etc.. Stop picking & chooseing & remove this piece of crap from the eula which you only use as an easy answer to petitions snip Sas has spoken this tread shall be locked.
Illyria Ambri Caldari RennTech	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:31:00 - [41] The situation seems rather understandable if you read it.. The Op had an account.. he used to play on.. he quit. few months pass.. his cousin decides to play. So op gives original account to cousin (cousin reactivates with his own credit card (not the ops) Op starts a new account for himself. Both Op and cousin either live in same house or play in the same house. 2 hours later.. original account is banned and 180mill taken from the new account. Question.. where did the 180mil come from on the second account? ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:32:00 - [42] That thread is hillarous. He pays for 2 accounts. He and his cousin are playing from within the same house. And that is enough to ban him and remove all the isk? And people defending these strange actions even?? They should instead find and ban macro miners and rmt isk sellers! And don't come with EULA. It is one thing if the eula allows it, it is another thing if it makes sense!
Guvnor RBM Welsh Commanders 3asy Company	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:34:00 - [43] Could be that the account B (Cousin) bought ISK / items and past 180 mil on the account A (Op's) Dont know if you get banned for buying isk, just a thought... Also if you get a ban, it tells you why when you log in. _______________________________________________
Big Al The Aftermath	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:35:00 - [44] I suspect there is more to this story.
Illyria Ambri Caldari RennTech	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:37:00 - [45] Originally by: Guvnor RBM Dont know if you get banned for buying isk, just a thought... You're kidding right? ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
WhitePhantom Gallente Edenists	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:37:00 - [46] Edited by: WhitePhantom on 28/06/2007 19:36:39 Tell us how you had 180 million on the account. Please understand you cannot get help on this forum. The only way to get help is through a petition, if you "cousin" hasn't played he should start a new account. Your title is leading people to the wrong conclusion about CCP. At no time did you describe anything that could be described as GM Harassment. Perhaps they provided bad servcice, but what company doesn't from time to time.
Callente Riveara Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:37:00 - [47] Originally by: Big Al I suspect there is more to this story. /signed
Guvnor RBM Welsh Commanders 3asy Company	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:38:00 - [48] Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Guvnor RBM Dont know if you get banned for buying isk, just a thought... You're kidding right? I ment for a first offenise, Ie 1st time - Warning , 2nd Temp Ban , 3 rd Perma ban ect ect _______________________________________________
Neoromi	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:40:00 - [49] Originally by: Big Al I suspect there is more to this story.
Christari Zuborov	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:44:00 - [50] If I understand correctly, OP had 2 accounts at one point in time, but deactivated one some time ago. His cousin either lives in the same household, or has his PC at the OPs house. Cousin witnessed OPs game play and became interested enough to desire game play also. OP reactivates old account, but it's not longer a trial account demands credit card feeding. Cousin pays for new account and plays at OPs residence. Some other detail happens in which GMs believe a 180M deduction is in order and banning.
Camilo Cienfuegos EP0CH	Posted - 2007.06.28 19:45:00 - [51] Could you possibly tell us why they say you were banned? At the very least, you'll have been mailed with the reasoning. If not, it does seem somewhat wrong to ban someone without at least telling them why... Quote: 3 days ago i reactivated a account i had so my cousin could use it Let me see if we all understand this correctly: You own two accounts, one of which you allowed to go inactive. Your cousin decided to play, and so you reactivated the account using his credit card, effectively making it his account. Now you and your cousin play on two different accounts from the same IP. If this is all true, then I don't see there being anything there that would get you banned. Perhaps your cousin broke the EULA in some other way? Examples being: Real money trading (be it ISK or items) Abusing other players Macro mining There are many, many more. I suggest you read the whole EULA and grill your cousin to ensure he hasn't done anything untoward. He may just be lying... -- Don't take the carebears out of empire - take the empire out of carebears!
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.28 20:02:00 - [52] Originally by: Guvnor RBM Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Guvnor RBM Dont know if you get banned for buying isk, just a thought... You're kidding right? I ment for a first offenise, Ie 1st time - Warning , 2nd Temp Ban , 3 rd Perma ban ect ect It's more like first offence, perma ban. Second offence (if you find awway to offend a second time), broken knee caps. --------
Helganstandt InNova Tech Inc	Posted - 2007.06.28 20:02:00 - [53] Edited by: Helganstandt on 28/06/2007 20:04:42 I'm guessing your cousin bought isk and didn't tell you. Otherwise there's no reason for the GM's to take money out of your account. They don't just do that as punishment, they take isk they think you shouldn't have had in the first place. We're definitely not getting the whole story. Edit: What I think happened is your cousin bought isk, transferred isk to your account, and then got banned and GM's were nice enough not to ban you. But yeah, you should at least get a reason as to why, they should have sent an email (likely to your cousin). My guess is he's lying to you.
DarthJosh Amarr Valiant Logistics Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.28 20:06:00 - [54] regardless of what everyone had said, playing eve for the past 3 years, between reporting isk farmers and 12 year olds who keep spewing profanities and seeing ccp do nothing to them.. what was done to this man is unjust. badly done ccp. badly done.
Helganstandt InNova Tech Inc	Posted - 2007.06.28 20:08:00 - [55] Originally by: DarthJosh regardless of what everyone had said, playing eve for the past 3 years, between reporting isk farmers and 12 year olds who keep spewing profanities and seeing ccp do nothing to them.. what was done to this man is unjust. badly done ccp. badly done. That's jumping to conclusions. What, you're going to trust what this guy says just because he posted it on the forums? His stories are confusing, and conflicting. We're not being told something, so there's no way you can say what happened to him was unjust. For all we know, it was entirely legit.
Aioa Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2007.06.28 20:09:00 - [56] Originally by: Patch86 It's more like first offence, perma ban. Second offence (if you find awway to offend a second time), broken knee caps. If only...all you get is the isk taken away and a warning =/
Maniva Lakona	Posted - 2007.06.28 20:18:00 - [57] People need to read before replying. Tards.
lolette	Posted - 2007.06.28 20:24:00 - [58] Quote: 3 days ago i reactivated a account i had so my cousin could use it i might be wrong but i believe this is part of the problem, the account that u reactivated, was it a trial account started in ur name? or were u originally paying for it? either way it was in UR NAME. basically when u reactivated the account and ur cousin entered his card details and info this automatically becomes account sharing. though i could be wrong, the details are few and far between. did ur cousin transfer 180 mil isk to ur character during the 2 hours that he was online, if so this is seen as odd behaviour and sets off warning bells for ccp, they might have seen it as isk selling and banned the account ur cousin had and took the 180 mil from urs as it was earned illegally in their eyes. i agree that this is wrong though for ccp to ban the account without investigating properly first, mayber if they are shown to realise that its ur cousin and not an isk seller then they might reactivate the account. the trouble we have now is contacting ccp
DarthJosh Amarr Valiant Logistics Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.28 20:29:00 - [59] Originally by: Helganstandt Originally by: DarthJosh regardless of what everyone had said, playing eve for the past 3 years, between reporting isk farmers and 12 year olds who keep spewing profanities and seeing ccp do nothing to them.. what was done to this man is unjust. badly done ccp. badly done. That's jumping to conclusions. What, you're going to trust what this guy says just because he posted it on the forums? His stories are confusing, and conflicting. We're not being told something, so there's no way you can say what happened to him was unjust. For all we know, it was entirely legit. but you see, thats the thing, all we have is his word since aparently CCP isn't replying to his queries(sp). and he does seem to be a decent player by the sound of it, only a guilty fool would resort to posting on the forums on a matter such as this, partially because no matter how much we forum dwellers would nag, the mods will eventually check his logs and take the action they see fit. i just can't help but feel his frustration, shoot me
Peen Long Caldari The Fantastically Pantless Sporkmen	Posted - 2007.06.28 20:32:00 - [60] Edited by: Peen Long on 28/06/2007 20:32:18 As far as I'm concerned, this is just a legit character transfer done badly by an uninformed player. Rather then just flat out ban, CCP could've said here's what we'll do: Create your own account. We'll activate the old account for a day or so and you pay the character transfer fee to the new account. Enjoy the game. If you don't want to do this then ban because it violates the EULA. I guess screwing over two devoted fans to the game is more important then? Do you seriously think everyone has the EULA memorized or just doesn't make uninformed mistakes? Now if the one bought ISK (not saying he did), then sure that's bad. But even then, I was under the impression there was a warning first. Customer service ftl? I just can't get around the fact that if this had been handled differently, CCP would have have two happy paying customers rather then one banned and one possibly quitting due to being angry.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.06.28 20:33:00 - [61] Edited by: Akita T on 28/06/2007 20:32:52 Last time I checked, there was a minor yet important discrepancy between sections of the EULA. On one side, it says you can't give away your account details, do so at your own risk, because they won't reimburse you for any damage the other user might cause. That also covers lost login details due to hacking. Yes, you get hacked, the hacker sells your in-game assets for real money (including maybe even the char itself), you report the hack, your account gets banned. It's that simple. On the other side, it simply says trading or giving away accounts is prohibited. However, there is little incentive to actually ban somebody for that, and to my knowledge, it's not pursued actively... much, anyway. You know, just as a precautionary measure, almost exclusively aimed to combat RMT too, not actual account sharing between RL acquaintances. Of course, I might be wrong. Char creation guide \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Fedacorr Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.06.28 20:35:00 - [62] CCP allows transfer (with payment) of characters, but not, ever, accounts. The ONLY legitimate 'transfer' of an account is for an adult to purchase (and continue to pay for) an account for their minor child. (And the adult may not use that account themselves!) You (apparently) had 2 accounts. You deactivated one in the past. Now you've reactivated it, and 'given' it to your relative. Sorry, not allowed. It's YOUR account, you aren't allowed to give it to anyone else or allow anyone else access to it. Doing so is grounds for it being banned. Somehow, the GM's figured out what happened. BAN. The cash confiscation, that's something else. For some reason, the GM's feel you were given/aquired that cash improperly. If your relative gave it to your account, they'd probably feel it was 'payment' for the account, again a no-no. While you'd like an instant answer, 3 days is not time enough for any response to a petition. You need to wait on an answer, and/or email kieron. Complaining on the board accomplishes exactly nothing. Well, except for your admitting you broke the rules, which doesn't help your case much!
Xachariah Minmatar Starship Fellows	Posted - 2007.06.28 20:43:00 - [63] Edited by: Xachariah on 28/06/2007 20:42:57 I dont't get why so many stick to the word of the EULA instead to its purpose? There are so many accounts actively being shared (Tradingalts, Manufacturingalts, Cynoalts...) and yet it is generally accepted. These two guys (as long as he tells the truth, which of course can't be proven) did not share their accounts. Each one used his own. Whether or not one of these accounts once (!) belonged to the other person has no negative effect whatsoever on the game or its players and therefor there is no logic reason to punish them. The whole "Ha Ha, you got banned, because you did something against the EULA"-mentality is just sickening.
Zissou Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.06.28 20:50:00 - [64] As Winterblink has said, you won't get any real assistance from the forums. Raise a petition, escalate it as far as possible and contact Kieron (Community Manager). Nothing you post on these forums will help you get the account reactivated.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2007.06.28 20:58:00 - [65] You guys replying in this thread with "OMG BAN OFFENSE" and "READ THE EULA" and all this trash are real jerks. If the only thing you can do all day is try to get some guy banned (which is pro-actively what you do when you reply to these threads with these comments) you are not very considerate to the EVE community. There are circumstances where I'm SURE you have had friends log in for you to change skills and blah blah blah and all that crap. So don't come down on this guy like a ton of bricks when you don't even have all the details. SERIOUSLY, a lot of you forum warriors have really upset me with your replies in this thread, and I have lost a lot of respect in some of you. GROW UP. Mind your own business. Some threads posted don't need to be replied to. _________________ Burn.
Maltitol Gallente Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:02:00 - [66] This is one of the reasons why i buy GTC's instead. on my initial account creation, after trial, i had my parents use their cc (for full activation). after that, i went to about 4 different friends to buy gtc's, NOT PUT THEIR CC INFO OR ANYTHING on my account. One of them has created an account in his info with his cc, but his cc and account info has NEVER touched me nor my account in any way, he has played beside me on the same ip#, router/house several times, but his address isnt my address, and he doesnt live anywhere near me (comes down for parties here and there). This in itself protects me, as i'm not account sharing or anything like that at all, but it pays off to be extra safe like this. In the op's post, from what i understand, you changed the MAIN ACCOUNT information so its not in your name anymore but your cousins, this is YES account sharing. What i dont understand is why wouldnt your cousin try the 14 day trial anyways? IT IS FREE! there clearly is more information than what we are being told. CCP has decided to keep this post open obviously to find out any further information they can. In any case good luck.. but i recommend just starting a new account (if possible) Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:06:00 - [67] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa You guys replying in this thread with "OMG BAN OFFENSE" and "READ THE EULA" and all this trash are real jerks. If the only thing you can do all day is try to get some guy banned (which is pro-actively what you do when you reply to these threads with these comments) you are not very considerate to the EVE community. There are circumstances where I'm SURE you have had friends log in for you to change skills and blah blah blah and all that crap. So don't come down on this guy like a ton of bricks when you don't even have all the details. SERIOUSLY, a lot of you forum warriors have really upset me with your replies in this thread, and I have lost a lot of respect in some of you. GROW UP. Mind your own business. Some threads posted don't need to be replied to. He said "I did this, why am I banned?" and people replied with "The reason you're banned is...". What he described in his OP (possibly erroneously, considering the language barrier) is a bannable offence. What do you want people to do, ignore it and just say "You have our support!!!!"? How is that mean? --------
Guvnor RBM Welsh Commanders 3asy Company	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:07:00 - [68] The been on the same IP is reason is very wrong Ive spent many hours at my friends house drinking beer and having laugh whist connected to his network with my laptop. Hell during an Allinace tournment I was at his competing on my laptop whilst he used his PC, I guess CCP would of been extra carful in checking for any wrong doing then, So I doubt the IP is any thing to do with the "BAN" _______________________________________________
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:09:00 - [69] Originally by: Patch86 He said "I did this, why am I banned?" and people replied with "The reason you're banned is...". What he described in his OP (possibly erroneously, considering the language barrier) is a bannable offence. What do you want people to do, ignore it and just say "You have our support!!!!"? How is that mean? I don't know. I just see this thread going downhill, and no questions are really being answered. This isn't a thread that players can address with a solution. The only real solution is to contact Kieron, which was brought up. After that, thread over. _________________ Burn.
Joseph Josavion	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:15:00 - [70] Edited by: Joseph Josavion on 28/06/2007 21:16:26 To be honest even if it is account sharing I don't see what the problem is anyway. I'm sure there are 1000s of people in this game who allow their corp mates to change skills for them whilst away on holiday or similar as well as numerous other reasons. The only way to stop that happening is to introduce a system which allows offline skill changing or skill queing. CCP chose to use a skill system like we have and (thankfully) reject those employed by the traditional grinding games such as WoW but they have to realise that people cannot be on at every single time of the day. You know there's something wrong when people start setting their alarms for 4:30am so they can do a skill change and go back to bed. I have dome that in the past, I don't anymore however. CCP should just get rid of the whole account sharing thing and introduce a clause to the EULA that stipulates that account theft stemming from account sharing will not be given the time of day. [EDIT] And anyway who cares if he gave his old account to his cousin. Another person is hooked on EVE and you are getting another subscription to add to the proverbial wallet. You might claim 'account reclaiming' etc etc but guess what? He's openly admitted to sharing account details, you don't have to help him with that even if he does decide at some point he wants the account back. Completely ludicrous.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:25:00 - [71] Originally by: Joseph Josavion Edited by: Joseph Josavion on 28/06/2007 21:16:26 To be honest even if it is account sharing I don't see what the problem is anyway. I'm sure there are 1000s of people in this game who allow their corp mates to change skills for them whilst away on holiday or similar as well as numerous other reasons. The only way to stop that happening is to introduce a system which allows offline skill changing or skill queing. CCP chose to use a skill system like we have and (thankfully) reject those employed by the traditional grinding games such as WoW but they have to realise that people cannot be on at every single time of the day. You know there's something wrong when people start setting their alarms for 4:30am so they can do a skill change and go back to bed. I have dome that in the past, I don't anymore however. CCP should just get rid of the whole account sharing thing and introduce a clause to the EULA that stipulates that account theft stemming from account sharing will not be given the time of day. [EDIT] And anyway who cares if he gave his old account to his cousin. Another person is hooked on EVE and you are getting another subscription to add to the proverbial wallet. You might claim 'account reclaiming' etc etc but guess what? He's openly admitted to sharing account details, you don't have to help him with that even if he does decide at some point he wants the account back. Completely ludicrous. Well it's not the GM's decision to make. CCP made the rule "no sharing account details" (for obvious reasons- they don't want 4 people playing under the same subscription), and the GM simply enforces it. When they detect someone who is sharing accounts (however it is they happen to do it), they ban them. There may or may not be a hard luck story behind it, but it's not the GM's place to start making that judgement. --------
jita90804	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:28:00 - [72] Edited by: jita90804 on 28/06/2007 21:28:33 The 'sharing' clause is in the EULA to protect CCP from ownership litigation e.g. player A buys the account, but player B pays the monthly fee and uses it all the time. Who has the greatest claim to ownership? There is nothing in the EULA specifying from which geographic location, either physical or virtual, you can or should log into the game from. You're just as eligible to play the game at your house as you are from any other location you happen to be at e.g. Iceland during the Fanfest.
Illyria Ambri Caldari RennTech	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:32:00 - [73] Something else to ponder... He states that 3 hours after reactivating the account it got banned. Umm since when has CCP been that fast with ANY response? Unless you did something that would spark their immediate attention.. I seriously doubt that simply reactivating and playing normally as you say, or neglect to say, would raise an instant red flag on the GM comps ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
fuze	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:42:00 - [74] Oh noes, we're being watched!
Druadan Gallente Aristotle Enterprises Black Lotus Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:47:00 - [75] Pretty ridiculous ban imho. "A witty saying proves nothing" - Voltaire
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:50:00 - [76] The account sharing rule is not designed to stop people from letting their family play eve with them. In fact, Kieron himself has said that direct family members are immune from the account sharing rul. That doesn't cover your cousin, but if a GM took action against your account for that reason, it sounds like they're using the letter of the rule to defeat the spirit of the rule. Drop Kieron a line. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Occara	Posted - 2007.06.28 21:50:00 - [77] Originally by: Daedaelus Im sure they can track the MAC address or the computer name through the IP im using a basic linksys router and really don't have much security because i dident think i had to defend myself from a game i pay for. MAC address is only available for 1 hop by the way. The only things that see your MAC are things on the same network segment.
Marketcheck2	Posted - 2007.06.28 22:05:00 - [78] Me thinks we are not getting the whole story.
Dopefish Amarr Quad and Fish	Posted - 2007.06.28 22:21:00 - [79] Sherlock Holmes itt. Is using moms creditcard and info to play eve accountsharing? And since when was account sharing something you get banned for? You might get a warning, if anything. Why would you even bring it up?
Daedaelus Caldari Xtreme Intruders	Posted - 2007.06.29 01:06:00 - [80] No i do not speak very well i am sorry but let me just narrow down the facts. - Nobody bought ISK - I dont even know how to macro mine neither does he - We dont hack - It is his account nobody elses and is under his credit card now im sure over the time he has had this account he has switched his credit card info more than once (Thats just how some banks are). - All the message said was "perma ban" and there was no email sent. - The money taken from me was off my own account not his maybe they figured over this amount of time this is how much money we have sent each other. - Yes we have sent each other ISK but last time i checked there is a "give money" button and i am aloud to send money back and forth with him. - We dont SHARE the account he simply lives in the same house and literately sits next to me and plays. - to this day no petitions or email have been replyed too by CCP. - he was in the game 2 hours before he was banned and did nearly nothing as a matter of fact he was AFK most of the time cooking a burger. Feel free to call me a lier but this is the truth and the facts so please stick with them and dont say i did this or that cause these are the facts.
Beazal	Posted - 2007.06.29 01:37:00 - [81] Edited by: Beazal on 29/06/2007 01:36:27 Originally by: Daedaelus No i do not speak very well i am sorry but let me just narrow down the facts. - Nobody bought ISK - I dont even know how to macro mine neither does he - We dont hack - It is his account nobody elses and is under his credit card now im sure over the time he has had this account he has switched his credit card info more than once (Thats just how some banks are). - All the message said was "perma ban" and there was no email sent. - The money taken from me was off my own account not his maybe they figured over this amount of time this is how much money we have sent each other. - Yes we have sent each other ISK but last time i checked there is a "give money" button and i am aloud to send money back and forth with him. - We dont SHARE the account he simply lives in the same house and literately sits next to me and plays. - to this day no petitions or email have been replyed too by CCP. - he was in the game 2 hours before he was banned and did nearly nothing as a matter of fact he was AFK most of the time cooking a burger. Feel free to call me a lier but this is the truth and the facts so please stick with them and dont say i did this or that cause these are the facts. Answer one more question please. Was HIS account owned by YOU at one point? Or has HIS account always been in HIS posession?
Bizz Lizz	Posted - 2007.06.29 01:44:00 - [82] Something doesn't sound right here. They don't take 180mil from your wallet for no reason. If they did it, there are only a few possibilities, why they did it: 1) they assume that you were involved in isk buying/selling 2) they assume you were involved in a character scam 3) they assume you have gained the isk through another non-ligit means like via an exploit And if they assumed this, it is also the reason, why all accounts from that IP got banned/suspended. ( I don't believe that you get banned within a few hours, because they think that you wer account sharing, because they don't have a camera in your house and some people have multiple accounts and several computers in their house, some people use the same computer alternately and such things, so I doubt that it was that. ) Anyway, I hope for you that the GMs will tell you, what has happened and that they let you explain your side of the story. I mean noone is safe from making mistakes.
MotherMoon Minmatar Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.06.29 01:45:00 - [83] Originally by: Beazal Edited by: Beazal on 29/06/2007 01:36:27 Originally by: Daedaelus No i do not speak very well i am sorry but let me just narrow down the facts. - Nobody bought ISK - I dont even know how to macro mine neither does he - We dont hack - It is his account nobody elses and is under his credit card now im sure over the time he has had this account he has switched his credit card info more than once (Thats just how some banks are). - All the message said was "perma ban" and there was no email sent. - The money taken from me was off my own account not his maybe they figured over this amount of time this is how much money we have sent each other. - Yes we have sent each other ISK but last time i checked there is a "give money" button and i am aloud to send money back and forth with him. - We dont SHARE the account he simply lives in the same house and literately sits next to me and plays. - to this day no petitions or email have been replyed too by CCP. - he was in the game 2 hours before he was banned and did nearly nothing as a matter of fact he was AFK most of the time cooking a burger. Feel free to call me a lier but this is the truth and the facts so please stick with them and dont say i did this or that cause these are the facts. Answer one more question please. Was HIS account owned by YOU at one point? Or has HIS account always been in HIS posession? maybe you shouldn't trust him then. how do you know he hasn't bought ISK? it was HIS account. and may have done it a long time ago. and doesn't want to tell you
max bygraves	Posted - 2007.06.29 01:51:00 - [84] your cousin did an illegal scam, He didnt tell you, He was punished and the 180 million ISK taken back.
Bizz Lizz	Posted - 2007.06.29 01:59:00 - [85] Edited by: Bizz Lizz on 29/06/2007 01:58:06 Originally by: max bygraves your cousin did an illegal scam, He didnt tell you, He was punished and the 180 million ISK taken back. Yes, 180mil could fit to a 30-day gtc, and if he has scammed there, the ban would be no surprise. But so far it's just guessing, so hope the GMs tell you what's up.
Dark Kavar Caldari Aionios Diadochi	Posted - 2007.06.29 02:07:00 - [86] Originally by: Bizz Lizz Edited by: Bizz Lizz on 29/06/2007 01:58:06 Originally by: max bygraves your cousin did an illegal scam, He didnt tell you, He was punished and the 180 million ISK taken back. Yes, 180mil could fit to a 30-day gtc, and if he has scammed there, the ban would be no surprise. But so far it's just guessing, so hope the GMs tell you what's up. I thought that if you got scammed with GTCs using the non-secure system it was your problem and the GMs couldn't do anything about it? Kind of like the Triforce in Zelda, only not quite as potent.
Bizz Lizz	Posted - 2007.06.29 02:13:00 - [87] Edited by: Bizz Lizz on 29/06/2007 02:11:56 Originally by: Dark Kavar Originally by: Bizz Lizz Edited by: Bizz Lizz on 29/06/2007 01:58:06 Originally by: max bygraves your cousin did an illegal scam, He didnt tell you, He was punished and the 180 million ISK taken back. Yes, 180mil could fit to a 30-day gtc, and if he has scammed there, the ban would be no surprise. But so far it's just guessing, so hope the GMs tell you what's up. I thought that if you got scammed with GTCs using the non-secure system it was your problem and the GMs couldn't do anything about it? No, the only thing is that the victim doesn't get reimbursed in that case. But it's still a bannable offense to scam in a gtc trade, also if the trade is done via the old method. Has been said several times.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.06.29 02:17:00 - [88] I don't think the evil, dreaded CCP is particularly keen on banning accounts for no reason. Deal with it through them. I don't see how forum warriors are gonna help you if you got banned for some reason we don't even know about. I'm sure there was a reason and I suspect someone, either you or your bro, isn't saying what it is. I also suspect that if you email kieron and/or [email protected] like people have suggested, you will get a reply. Deal with them. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Danlex	Posted - 2007.06.29 02:23:00 - [89] CCP needs a good kick up the arse for this type of thing. I understand they set the rules and fine, but to be expected to start a new account, re-activate the OLD account and THEN pay a transfer fee is just being money hungry tools. In order to get a char from one of my old accounts this is what I am forced to do (bar additional account creation). The lack of any dialogue and/or BASIC explanation is total bs. That things are made doubly frustrating by their drawn out petition process is just icing on the cake really.
ArtieLange	Posted - 2007.06.29 02:54:00 - [90] screw it, ibt mysterious disappearance. --------------------------------------------- Internal Error: Transaction (Process ID 10710) was deadlocked on lock resources with another process and has been chosen as the deadlock victim. Re
Antari Shiy Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.29 03:31:00 - [91] Of course it could be something as simple as a GM has banned the wrong account (similar names etc....). And from the outset the OP has spelled out exactly what happened... He reactivated an old account that was once his, then gave it to his cousin, who payed for it on his (not the OP, the cousin's) credit card......If that's a bannable offence then I know of at least 7 Corporations that should have the CEO's banned as the CEO's quit and passed the account to someone else !!!! I can think of a number of players that are guilty of this aswell !!! At the end of the day we only have the OP's version of events and we'll never get CCP's but I'm thinking that maybe just maybe the GM made a mistake here. Hope it all works out for you OP. ------------------------ Blink and you're dead ------------------------ Going to Jita is like poking someone with a stick and then crying when they punch you back.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.06.29 03:39:00 - [92] Originally by: Danlex CCP needs a good kick up the arse for this type of thing. I understand they set the rules and fine, but to be expected to start a new account, re-activate the OLD account and THEN pay a transfer fee is just being money hungry. In order to get a char from one of my old accounts this is what I am forced to do (without needing the additional account creation). The lack of any dialogue and/or BASIC explanation before banning the cousin's account is total bs. That things are made doubly frustrating by their drawn out petition process is just icing on the cake really. I mean fair enough if he's done the wrong thing, and technically it is a breach of the EULA. The absolute least that should be done is a short reason behind why it happened. A more reasonable resolution would be to offer to correct the situation for the guy and give him a big warning. Sounds like CCP have assumed this account was sold and punished the guy without any decent investigation, communication nor reasoning. Unfair, uncharitable and RUDE. You don't even know for sure what happened or what was said to who. You do realize that, right? - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Kylar Renpurs	Posted - 2007.06.29 03:43:00 - [93] OK,, read through the OP's statement and the follow ups,, and I just got one gripe to mention. OK, CCP might've got it wrong here, and it's pretty well known that petitions arent ever 'Immediate Response' cases. So how the fruit does that tally up to "GM Harrasment and bad service"? For god's sake, if you're going to make accusations, make the right ones. This is NOT harrasment and it's only a little bad service, a mistake has been made, whoop de doo. Improve Market Competition!
Prydeless Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.29 03:58:00 - [94] BOB and T20 proved with the cynonet that account sharing is fine and all good Disclaimer: I am a God.
Christopher Scott Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.29 04:23:00 - [95] This is what I see as happening: Person A had two accounts. Both lapsed. Person A reactivated the first account to happily play it. ------- THEN ------ Person B wants to play. Person B activates the second account from Person A, with Person B's creditcard information. After the account is activated, Person B sees that Person A left a large sum of ISK on the character, before it lapsed. Person B gives ISK back to Person A. CCP logs show: Person A's account being reactivated under completely different creditcard info. Then soon after, person A receiving a large ISK sum. OMGHAX SELLING ACCOUNTS BANBAN!BAN!! I think that's what happened. ------------------------------------ I support the following changes: Make warp acceleration faster!
Daedaelus Caldari Xtreme Intruders	Posted - 2007.06.29 04:53:00 - [96] still no response from a gm or email response day 5 and taking my ISK off my account for no reason is harassment
General Salad Caldari mUfFiN fAcToRy Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.29 04:59:00 - [97] Anyone else wonder how it takes 2 hours to cook a burger? The plot thickens...
KRE	Posted - 2007.06.29 05:02:00 - [98] Edited by: KRE on 29/06/2007 05:01:57 Edited by: KRE on 29/06/2007 05:01:34 it really does not matter Daedaelus becuase CCP dont care about anything but making money and with over 10 mil a month of income its more than enough to make them not care about anything anyone says and do what ever they want. and BTW CCP all live in the same building and suck eachothers d i c k's and "play GM" and some times ass **s eachother as well CCP can go to hell this is bull ** what they are doing to you its really f u c k e d up i hope you fix it with some GM thats not a f u c k i n g ass hole... good luck bro
Tonkin D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.29 05:04:00 - [99] hmm, i wonder if sending my alt accounts 100mil isk each would get me banned? send my cyno alts 100 mill lol, i do send them isk all the time to get me my stuff from empire buy ammo in places where i cant go becasue of sec status, and i havnt been banned. i use my accounts on my laptop and main computer and i still havnt been banned. you must of done summet wrong, or you just got some thick GM that doesnt know how to investigate properly
Antari Shiy Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.29 05:05:00 - [100] Originally by: General Salad Anyone else wonder how it takes 2 hours to cook a burger? The plot thickens... He never said what size burger it was ------------------------ Blink and you're dead ------------------------ Going to Jita is like poking someone with a stick and then crying when they punch you back.
Kumu Honua	Posted - 2007.06.29 05:08:00 - [101] Looks like there is gonna be another banning due to this thread. Byebye Kre.
KiteShugo	Posted - 2007.06.29 05:08:00 - [102] Edited by: KiteShugo on 29/06/2007 05:07:24 Man CCP, this is bull. Why would you do this
General Salad Caldari mUfFiN fAcToRy Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.29 05:09:00 - [103] Edited by: General Salad on 29/06/2007 05:09:09 Originally by: KRE Edited by: KRE on 29/06/2007 05:05:04 Edited by: KRE on 29/06/2007 05:03:44 Edited by: KRE on 29/06/2007 05:01:57 Edited by: KRE on 29/06/2007 05:01:34 it really does not matter Daedaelus becuase CCP dont care about anything but making money and with over 10 mil a month of income its more than enough to make them not care about anything anyone says and do what ever they want. and BTW CCP all live in the same building and suck eachothers d i c k's and "play GM" and some times ass f u c k s eachother as well CCP can go to hell this is bull ** what they are doing to you its really f u c k e d up i hope you fix it with some GM thats not a f u c k i n g ass hole... good luck bro BTW CCP is a bunch of C O C K S U C K E R S!!!!** You had to edit this example of proficient and and skillful use of the English language 3 times? Man, I would hate to see what it looked like the first time... edit 5 times now? /edit
Tonkin D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.29 05:11:00 - [104] Edited by: Tonkin on 29/06/2007 05:10:43 Originally by: KRE Edited by: KRE on 29/06/2007 05:07:45 Edited by: KRE on 29/06/2007 05:05:04 Edited by: KRE on 29/06/2007 05:03:44 Edited by: KRE on 29/06/2007 05:01:57 Edited by: KRE on 29/06/2007 05:01:34 it really does not matter Daedaelus becuase CCP dont care about anything but making money and with over 10 mil a month of income its more than enough to make them not care about anything anyone says and do what ever they want. and BTW CCP all live in the same building and suck eachothers d i c k's and "play GM" and some times ass f u c k s eachother as well CCP can go to hell this is bull s h i t what they are doing to you its really f u c k e d up i hope you fix it with some GM thats not a f u c k i n g ass hole... good luck bro BTW CCP is a bunch of C O C K S U C K E R S!!!! some get really peed with gms, i would say that ingame to be honest mate, the mods are watching they stab when your not looking
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.06.29 05:27:00 - [105] Originally by: General Salad Edited by: General Salad on 29/06/2007 05:09:09 Originally by: KRE Edited by: KRE on 29/06/2007 05:05:04 Edited by: KRE on 29/06/2007 05:03:44 Edited by: KRE on 29/06/2007 05:01:57 Edited by: KRE on 29/06/2007 05:01:34 it really does not matter Daedaelus becuase CCP dont care about anything but making money and with over 10 mil a month of income its more than enough to make them not care about anything anyone says and do what ever they want. and BTW CCP all live in the same building and suck eachothers d i c k's and "play GM" and some times ass f u c k s eachother as well CCP can go to hell this is bull ** what they are doing to you its really f u c k e d up i hope you fix it with some GM thats not a f u c k i n g ass hole... good luck bro BTW CCP is a bunch of C O C K S U C K E R S!!!!** You had to edit this example of proficient and and skillful use of the English language 3 times? Man, I would hate to see what it looked like the first time... edit 5 times now? /edit Is it me or have the Mods been sleepy lately? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Engage brain before typing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Daedaelus Caldari Xtreme Intruders	Posted - 2007.06.29 05:50:00 - [106] i just wish i had a explanation or someone to answer my petitions or post here and give me a reason why not just my cousin got banned but why i lost all my money too
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2007.06.29 06:05:00 - [107] What category did you file the petition under? Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.

Ivan Kirilenkov Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.06.29 06:11:00 - [108] Locking this since it's not going anywhere constructive. GMs will not discuss petitions on the forums, and nor will posting here speed up the process. If you feel that a GMs action is in error, ask for it to be elevated to a senior GM. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website

Daedaelus Caldari Xtreme Intruders	Posted - 2007.06.29 06:12:00 - [109] Originally by: Mecinia Lua What category did you file the petition under? i believe it was under bans but it was a while ago thats how long i have been waiting

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