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kessah Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.06.29 00:34:00 - [1] It is my belief that the apocalypse is really suffering from any pvp role within eve at this time except tank and there are better ships for the job. I would like to see this ship used for something in pvp and without changing it completely i can only suggest a drone bay increase to 175m3 putting it on par with the Typhoon. A small but effective boost to make this ship alittle more usable in the pvp environment. A CPU increase on the Geddon wouldnt be pushing things too far neither. Come on lets see some more Amarr battleships on the battlefield! -------------------------------------------------------- [Video] Forever Pirate 3
Cuebick Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.29 01:00:00 - [2] He speaks the truth. I haven't used the Apoc since about two years ago (When I then discovered the Arma wasnt too bad har har) stop fudging with my sig :( waves -HornFrog
kessah Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.06.29 11:37:00 - [3] i wouldnt mind afew more comments on this, perhaps a couple "signed" or suggestions from others on this. The apoc has been suffering for years, really needs a boost of some kind. -------------------------------------------------------- [Video] Forever Pirate 3
Astral Trader	Posted - 2007.06.29 11:41:00 - [4] I remember before Rev the devs mentioned a complee role overhaul of the apoc - but that seems to have been dumped
hUssmann Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.29 11:44:00 - [5] 175 is overkill, 125 and a bonus change gets my /signed. Ginger Magician > You are merely an effective ganker of haulers who runs at the first sign of combat.
hylleX Spontaneous Defenestration	Posted - 2007.06.29 11:47:00 - [6] Indeed it has no use what so ever it needs a complete makeover. I think the best would be to make it a big arbitrator with drone bonus and trackin disrupting bonus. The geddon outclasses the apoc as gank ship and the abaddon outclasses it as tanker so yes it is truly useless.
Mastin Dragonfly Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.06.29 11:50:00 - [7] Can ask for all the opinions you want, but it don't matter much, Dev's are not discussing amarr issues with the players so it's just theoricrafting.
kessah Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.06.29 12:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly Can ask for all the opinions you want, but it don't matter much, Dev's are not discussing amarr issues with the players so it's just theoricrafting. they glace at player suggestion from time to time, just making sure the apoc is on there thought list. -------------------------------------------------------- [Video] Forever Pirate 3
Zhaine Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.29 12:25:00 - [9] I would say make it a dedicated Nos boat to go with the Amarr "Cap Kings" theme that the devs have mentioned, but that would kinda step on the Bhaalgorn's shoes :( - - - - - - - - - -
kessah Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.06.29 13:34:00 - [10] Originally by: Zhaine I would say make it a dedicated Nos boat to go with the Amarr "Cap Kings" theme that the devs have mentioned, but that would kinda step on the Bhaalgorn's shoes :( NO gaddamn way! i freakin hate nos - not unless they nerf nos and increase the skill requirments by alot. I want the ship to utilize months of skill training in gunnery, spaceship command and drones -------------------------------------------------------- [Video] Forever Pirate 3
Taka Caldari Quam Singulari Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.29 13:49:00 - [11] Originally by: kessah Originally by: Zhaine I would say make it a dedicated Nos boat to go with the Amarr "Cap Kings" theme that the devs have mentioned, but that would kinda step on the Bhaalgorn's shoes :( NO gaddamn way! i freakin hate nos - not unless they nerf nos and increase the skill requirments by alot. I want the ship to utilize months of skill training in gunnery, spaceship command and drones tbh ide rather see it a dedicated drone boat so that it has a bonus to drone damage + hitpoints then some other bonus...dunno what the other bonus wud be....then let it have a dronebay of 275 - wudnt be as big as a dominix's and wudnt be too small. the apoc could be a bigger brother of the arbitrator
Perry Amarr The X-Trading Company Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.06.29 13:55:00 - [12] Redo the model, its so dumb i just dont fly it even if you make it invincible. ________________ Kali 2.0 Patchnotes; "Cleared old and useless Database entries": 1) All Amarr Ships have been deleted
lofty29 Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.29 14:15:00 - [13] Originally by: Perry Redo the model, its so dumb i just dont fly it even if you make it invincible. The apoc is sexy --- Project Mayhem
Perry Amarr The X-Trading Company Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.06.29 14:17:00 - [14] Didnt said it ugly, but comon, a big yellow stick? No Thanks. ________________ Kali 3.0 Patchnotes: Amarr Oompf! -Armageddon: +1 Missile Slot -Maller: Autocannon RoF Bonus -Apocalypse: 5% Mining Bonus -Zealot: +10% more golden hull
HEINZ ZERO PsyCorp INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.29 14:24:00 - [15] New Apoc: Amarr Battleship Skill Bonus: 40% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer range and 20% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer transfer amount per level ..and please make it black
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.06.29 14:45:00 - [16] Imho the apoc need it's cap size bonus turned into a 10% optimal bonus. God know amarrs could use a ship like that. ------------------------------------------ What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs.
Thanos Mortis Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.29 15:12:00 - [17] Originally by: HEINZ ZERO New Apoc: Amarr Battleship Skill Bonus: 40% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer range and 20% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer transfer amount per level ..and please make it black ..because that wouldnt be overpowered -
kessah Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.06.29 15:20:00 - [18] lol @ nos bonus, the apoc needs a very slight change\boost. remember it has 8 turret hard points. Drone bay increase is the way to go tbh. fielding 5 t2 heavies and the possibility of 5 or 10 medium\lights would be very nice touch to it. -------------------------------------------------------- [Video] Forever Pirate 3
Lithalnas Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2007.06.29 15:26:00 - [19] give the apoc 125m of drone bay and drop one of the bonuses for a Laser range bonus. ------------- Hadean Drive Yards The EvE inflation, 80 Macro miners, 1.5b isk/day
Cpt Constantinus PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.29 15:26:00 - [20] Edited by: Cpt Constantinus on 29/06/2007 15:25:09 Bleh, its an Amarr battleship and not some Gallente crap. Instead of granting the ship a larger dronebay it should receive a 5% to the optimal range of large energy turrets ( per lvl of course). This way the Megabeamapoc would become quite usefull in fleetbattles.
Beef Hardslab The 5 Amigo's LLC. NxT LeveL	Posted - 2007.06.29 15:31:00 - [21] Might as well tweak it to better perform its only use currently: +20% smartbomb area of effect and -10% smartbomb cap use per level of Amarr Battleship. Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve: Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
Tassi Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.29 15:59:00 - [22] 125m¦ dronebay 5% cap per level changed to 10% Heavy neutraliser 5% range bonus. Will dominate all cap warfare.
Karash Amerius Amarr O.E.C Legionnaire Services Ltd.	Posted - 2007.06.29 16:06:00 - [23] Why dont we keep all its stats and instead of cap use use the Augoror's ship bonus: 10% armor per level. That might be interesting. Merc Blog
kill0rbunny Alpha-Hirogen Phoenix Allianz	Posted - 2007.06.29 16:10:00 - [24] Edited by: kill0rbunny on 29/06/2007 16:10:23 The armageddon is the drone thingie. Why give a race that doesn't use drones as it's main weapon a second drone bs? Just make it what the rest of the tier 2 bs apart from the raven are best at, a fleet sniper. Grid, Damage Bonus, CPU, that's what it really needs, not drones. I pew therefore I am.
kessah Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:53:00 - [25] Amarr after gallente are the next race to use drones, i didnt want it to have a drone bonus but it needs alittle help dps wise, well its my believe anyways. range bonus would be nice. -------------------------------------------------------- [Video] Forever Pirate 3
Keefius	Posted - 2007.06.30 18:28:00 - [26] I use an Apoc for level 4 missions.. Personally all I find it's lacking is some DPS... and a larger drone bay would cure this... However, I don't see a problem with the other bonuses, and find the Cap Bonus to be very useful (especially up against Blood Raiders, for example... )
Cyan Nuevo The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2007.06.30 19:02:00 - [27] Edited by: Cyan Nuevo on 30/06/2007 19:01:44 Back in an ancient dev blog (the same one in which they first mentioned an EANM change), the devs did say that they have an idea in mind for the Apoc. I don't think the devs have forgotten completely about the Amarr so let's just be patient a while and see what they have in mind. A bigger drone bay is not enough without bonuses and a full drone BS is not really appropriate for Amarr. What I would really like to see is a cap warfare ship. (Big curse? ) Of course, that would probably have to wait for the Nosferatu nerf, which is a possible reason we haven't seen the Apoc fix yet. --- Proud Amarr pilot.
Xanos Blackpaw Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2007.06.30 19:08:00 - [28] well amarr got an alliance with caldari...so why not 6 missile points and a rof bonus? Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi".
Forsch Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.30 19:11:00 - [29] Originally by: Shadowsword Imho the apoc need it's cap size bonus turned into a 10% optimal bonus. God know amarrs could use a ship like that. I would like that. Forsch Defender of the empire
X99 Z990	Posted - 2007.06.30 19:24:00 - [30] Edited by: X99 Z990 on 30/06/2007 19:28:51 Edited by: X99 Z990 on 30/06/2007 19:24:25 Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw well amarr got an alliance with caldari...so why not 6 missile points and a rof bonus? The same reason i dont want to see caldari laser ships. And 10% optimal sounds good though im not sure it will happen. Would make it a very nice fleet ship. And give it insane range with mega pulses. (22.5km w/conflag + 67.5km w/scorch + 10km falloff)

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